| * mneptok checks his pants | 00:09 | |
| mneptok | sjoerd: you lie. | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| maco | O_o | 00:10 |
| maco | thats an interesting conversation to walk in on | 00:11 |
| mneptok | maco: if i had a nickel ... | 00:12 |
| jdong | maco: considering that it's mneptok, you could've walked in on far worse.... | 00:13 |
| jdong | *hides* | 00:13 |
| maco | jdong: thats probably true | 00:14 |
| jdong | just like with xinetd services, knock and wait a couple seconds before entering? | 00:15 |
| jdong | (heh actually launchd on the iPhone is the worst at playing this game) | 00:15 |
| Amaranth | wow my notify-osd just went into a debug mode or something | 00:15 |
| jdong | the first time you SSH into an iPhone it literally spends a minute generating SSH host keys. | 00:16 |
| Amaranth | everything was all framed out and at the top it said "normal - report incorrect urgency?" | 00:16 |
| Amaranth | oh, maybe a lucid thing | 00:16 |
| dtchen_ | okay, I know I'm dense, but do we officially document how to navigate to browseable online source for source packages? | 00:18 |
| dtchen_ | I'm going through similar pain to fix an alsa bug in openSUSE 11.2, and uh, no documentation is *bad* | 00:19 |
| dtchen_ | maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/GettingTheSource ? | 00:20 |
| maco | there's browsable online source? | 00:20 |
| maco | you mean aside from the handful of packages in bzr? | 00:20 |
| dtchen_ | maco: that's very much what I'm hoping | 00:20 |
| dtchen_ | otherwise it's going to be a very long night :/ | 00:21 |
| dtchen_ | ...I think this is one stellar argument for having all source, not just /debian, in bzr | 00:22 |
| dtchen_ | err, in bzr branches on LP | 00:22 |
| maco | agreed | 00:22 |
| wgrant | maco: All packages are available in bzr now. | 00:34 |
| maco | wgrant: i thought it was a few thousand? | 00:35 |
| wgrant | maco: The entire archive (except perhaps for a few that failed) has been imported. | 00:35 |
| maco | with full source, not just debian/? | 00:36 |
| wgrant | Correct. | 00:36 |
| dtchen_ | wgrant: code.launchpad.net/foo ? | 00:38 |
| dtchen_ | (where foo is the source package name) | 00:38 |
| maco | wouldnt it be /ubuntu/+source/foo? | 00:39 |
| dtchen_ | maco: doesn't seem to be a loggerhead link anywhere | 00:39 |
| maco | *shrug* | 00:39 |
| wgrant | dtchen_: code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/SERIES/+source/PACKAGE | 00:40 |
| wgrant | dtchen_: Or drop the SERIES/ to get a list of all. | 00:40 |
| dtchen_ | man, either I fail, or I can't get them for linux, alsa-*, pulseaudio -- probably because none of them have upstream series set? | 00:41 |
| dtchen_ | e.g., I can see eglibc's fine | 00:41 |
| wgrant | That's not necessary. | 00:41 |
| * wgrant checks. | 00:41 | |
| ccheney` | dtchen_: coming to UDS? :) | 00:42 |
| dtchen_ | ccheney`: no. | 00:42 |
| ccheney` | dtchen_: oh :( | 00:42 |
| wgrant | dtchen_: you appear to be cursed in your package selection. | 00:43 |
| dtchen_ | yeah, go figure. | 00:43 |
| jdong | maybe dumb question | 00:47 |
| jdong | but how do you get an orig.tar.gz+diff.gz out of a LP branched bzr package? | 00:47 |
| jdong | that's the last piece of the bzr-kept-packages thing that I don't understand | 00:48 |
| maco | i think, theoretically, youre not sposed to need those | 00:50 |
| jdong | errr | 00:50 |
| jdong | suppose I want to make a change to znc then upload it back. | 00:50 |
| jdong | what would be the workflow? | 00:50 |
| maco | uhhh i guess one of those bzr/deb commands would be necessary... | 00:51 |
| jdong | naturally, bzr branch lp:ubuntu/lucid/znc | 00:52 |
| maco | branch, change, debcommit, push to somewhere....? | 00:52 |
| jdong | then cd into znc and edit whatever I want. | 00:52 |
| maco | i dont think lp will auto-build it when you debcommit & push though | 00:52 |
| jdong | right | 00:52 |
| jdong | it seems like you need to dput *something* | 00:52 |
| maco | is james_w in a US timezone yet? | 00:53 |
| jdong | debcommit just performs a bzr commit using debian/changelog | 00:53 |
| jdong | and I just tried bzr builddeb -S and it generated one native znc debian package | 00:54 |
| maco | right but it makes it so that when you push that branch to lp, it is automatically marked as being with that bug | 00:54 |
| ion | When i do bzr branch lp:ubuntu/lucid/foo, i don’t get a branch for the original tarball and the pristine-tar, data, right? | 00:56 |
| jdong | ion: from what I can see you only get the branch representing the fully unpacked debian source package. | 00:56 |
| jdong | the history seems to encode Debian changes as merges | 00:57 |
| jdong | which is why I asked if there were some bzr-builddeb magic for reconstructing pristine-tar | 00:57 |
| ccheney` | maco: iirc i heard you recently became a motu? | 00:58 |
| maco | ccheney`: aye, yesterday | 00:58 |
| ccheney` | maco: congratulations :) | 00:59 |
| maco | ccheney`: thanks :) | 00:59 |
| ion | I wish bzr allowed multiple branches in a single repository in a single directory with a single working tree. | 00:59 |
| * ccheney` hopes we have a powermgmt session at UDS, karmic seemed to be a bad regression :-\ | 01:00 | |
| ion | One could get the upstream, debian, ubuntu and pristine-tar branches with a single ‘bzr get lp:ubuntu/lucid/foo’ command. | 01:00 |
| jdong | ccheney`: what nonsense! Karmic dims my screen if I don't touch my mouse in 2 seconds! | 01:01 |
| jdong | ;-) | 01:01 |
| ccheney` | jdong: heh, and mine takes 10s+ to wake up now | 01:01 |
| ccheney` | if it does decide to wakeup at all | 01:01 |
| jdong | haha ouch | 01:02 |
| jdong | my wakeup is still okay | 01:02 |
| jdong | just networking literally takes 2 orders of magnitude longer to come up compared to its stock OS. | 01:02 |
| ccheney` | nice | 01:03 |
| maco | jdong: which will remain unnamed? :P | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | ccheney`: 5 minutes to wake up from hibernate isn't bad, is it? | 01:03 |
| ccheney` | ajmitch: hahaha | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | on a good day | 01:03 |
| ccheney` | ajmitch: if you have a slow drive i suppose | 01:03 |
| jdong | maco: yup :) | 01:03 |
| ccheney` | 10-20s from sleep though is pretty slow | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | yeah I think it's a 5400 RPM drive | 01:03 |
| jdong | ajmitch: I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic! | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | I usually just suspend & it wakes up from that pretty fast | 01:04 |
| jdong | heh even Win2k got out of hibernate in 30-ish seconds | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | my problem is more the occasional severe slowdown once woken up | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | I can't remember the bug # | 01:04 |
| jdong | ah | 01:04 |
| maco | ccheney`: 10-20s for resume from s2ram sounds like my laptop back on hardy | 01:05 |
| jdong | the loveliness of swsusp sending everything to swap | 01:05 |
| ccheney` | assuming you have a swap partition and less than 4GB of ram hibernate doesn't really need to take more than 1min to work | 01:05 |
| maco | ccheney`: also sounds like a cold boot on jaunty (but not on karmic) | 01:05 |
| * ajmitch has a swap partition & 4GB of RAM | 01:05 | |
| ccheney` | maco: heh, yea mine was working fine on jaunty not sure what happened with karmic | 01:05 |
| maco | i think i had a 15s boot on hardy. 35s on karmic (shouldnt say this too loud in front of ke yb uk, eh?) | 01:06 |
| * ccheney` hasn't tested to see how slow hibernate is for him, but his drive does ~ 100MB/s with hdparm test | 01:06 | |
| ccheney` | maco: there is a ppa that is supposed to help a large amount | 01:06 |
| ccheney` | maco: haven't tested it myself, but yea jaunty->karmic boot did get noticably slower with stock setup | 01:06 |
| maco | i think thats hat the ureadahead sru was for | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | I was pleasantly surprised at how well suspend/resume mostly works though :) | 01:07 |
| maco | i havent rebooted yet though | 01:07 |
| maco | hrm i should do laundry so i can pack for uds | 01:08 |
| ccheney` | maco: hmm that is what i should be doing now as well, i blew it off for irc :) | 01:09 |
| maco | my excuse was dinner | 01:09 |
| maco | but i finished eating now | 01:09 |
| * ccheney` will be driving up tomorrow afternoon, takes ~ 3.5hr by car | 01:09 | |
| * ajmitch would like to be there :) | 01:10 | |
| * jdong loves how maco used ureadahead and sru in the same sentence ;-) | 01:13 | |
| maco | jdong: what? | 01:14 |
| maco | didnt something like that just happen? | 01:15 |
| maco | or am i very confused? | 01:15 |
| maco | yeah is in -proposed | 01:16 |
| * ccheney` is done :) | 01:16 | |
| jdong | yes it did happen | 01:16 |
| maco | this laundry thing is making me discover i have much better t-shirts than the men's black-t-shirt-with-band-name-on-front ive been wearing | 01:16 |
| jdong | but that doens't stop me from commenting on that. | 01:16 |
| jdong | I'm quite sure if I SRU'ed Azureus with transmission I'd get into trouble ;-) | 01:17 |
| maco | hahahaha | 01:17 |
| ScottK | Nah, it'd be "It's jdong, what did you expect". | 01:17 |
| jdong | lol | 01:18 |
| jdong | haha speaking of azureus | 01:18 |
| jdong | had someone else recently bicker to me about the beg screen. | 01:18 |
| jdong | err that's plural. beg screens. | 01:19 |
| maco | beg screens? | 01:19 |
| ScottK | jdong: Canonical supports putting adverts for their proprietary serverices in the default install, so I can't see how it would be different. | 01:20 |
| jdong | I think the difference is if you say no, they don't tell you how many Canonical employees poured their hearts into it, and that you're a bad person and won't get any christmas gifts from Santa. | 01:20 |
| jdong | maco: see bug 434979 | 01:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 434979 in azureus "vuze just asked me for money" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/434979 | 01:20 |
| jdong | and attached screenshots | 01:21 |
| maco | haha ok | 01:21 |
| * ccheney` reminds him of the hans copyright message | 01:22 | |
| ScottK | jdong: OK. I just argued against an SRU. | 01:25 |
| jdong | :) | 01:25 |
| ScottK | jdong: I was restrained. I could have marked it invalid since arguable although annoying, it's not a bug at all. | 01:30 |
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| ebroder | system-config-printer isn't using polkit, is it? | 02:30 |
| ebroder | how is it escalating privileges? | 02:30 |
| dtchen_ | not that I see, but there's system-config-printer-udev. | 02:36 |
| ebroder | Yeah - it looks like Fedora and/or SUSE (can't tell which) wrote cups-pk-helper, which relatively recent versions of s-c-p can use to escalate themselves | 02:37 |
| ebroder | I find myself wanting cups-pk-helper for an unrelated project at the moment :) | 02:37 |
| ebroder | Google is not helping me find this cups-pk-helper project, though | 02:38 |
| ebroder | Looks like the Fedora spec file points at http://www.vuntz.net/download/cups-pk-helper/ ? | 02:39 |
| dtchen_ | ebroder: Till Kamppeter would be your best POC, I think | 02:41 |
| ebroder | dtchen_: Ok, I'll touch base before doing anything | 02:44 |
| dtchen_ | ebroder: (or pitti, but I don't know if he still touches the printing bits) | 02:45 |
| ebroder | Can I not have a .orig.tar.bz2? Does it have to be a .tar.gz? | 02:57 |
| wgrant | ebroder: The new 3.0 (quilt) format permits bzip2 compression, but is not yet supported in Ubuntu. | 03:00 |
| * ebroder nods | 03:00 | |
| ebroder | I thought you could do that with old-style packages, too | 03:00 |
| wgrant | Sort of, but no archive software will accept it. | 03:00 |
| wgrant | And I'm not sure if dpkg supports it any more. | 03:00 |
| ebroder | Sure | 03:00 |
| ebroder | It's been a while since I created a package from scratch - I'm shaky on the details | 03:01 |
| jdong | since when did Phoronix start reviewing computer cases? | 03:13 |
| jdong | and not even a timed MAFFT benchmark for the case. | 03:13 |
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| yofel | hi, would it be possible to SRU bug 402188? The upstream patch has been tested in a ppa and works fine. I could supply a debdiff myself. | 12:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 402188 in vim "gvim complains about "gtk_form_set_static_gravity: assertion `static_gravity_supported' failed" in the shell it's started from" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402188 | 12:11 |
| pitti | ebroder, dtchen_: s-c-p relies on "lpadmim" membership; I think it shold also ask you for user/pwd if you aren't in that group, but I'm not sure (the cups web UI does) | 13:35 |
| dtchen_ | pitti: ok, thanks | 14:05 |
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| qense | What is the prefered way of installed GConf schemas? gconftool-2 or gconf-schemas? | 15:06 |
| KArtinka | Hey ;) | 15:10 |
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| Kartinka | I have some Questions about DevKit and udev Rules, is here anybody who knows something about them in connection with hiding unmounted partitions | 15:10 |
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| TheMuso | c | 16:30 |
| fcuk112 | i get this pbuilder error: dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library avg.so.0 needed by debian/python-libavg/usr/lib/libColorNode.so.0.0.0 (ELF format: 'elf32-i386'; RPATH: ''). | 16:45 |
| fcuk112 | i setup a pbuilder hook and when i try to grep for the file i get this: http://www.pastie.org/699559. the debian/rules looks like this: http://www.pastie.org/699485. can anybody help? | 16:45 |
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| ebroder | pitti: Do you know if anybody has done work on cups-pk-helper yet? | 17:14 |
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| dtchen_ | hmph, I broke PA in Lucid. | 18:36 |
| ion | naurun | 18:39 |
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| Kartinka | I have some Questions about DevKit and udev Rules, is here anybody who knows something about them in connection with hiding unmounted partitions | 18:46 |
| dtchen_ | there, PA fixed and pushed | 19:05 |
| RetDude | Who here is experienced with PCI 2.1 add-in video cards and Ubuntu? (Ben Stein: Anyone? anyone? anyone?) | 19:58 |
| yml | hello | 20:02 |
| yml | I would be interested to package an new software called uwsgi and to create a PPA | 20:03 |
| yml | I have read quite some documentation up to now and I have a couple of questions | 20:03 |
| yml | the first one is how to integrate this operation in a dvcs workflow ? | 20:04 |
| Kartinka | I have some Questions about DevKit and udev Rules, is here anybody who knows something about them in connection with hiding unmounted partitions | 20:08 |
| ebroder | Kartinka: It looks like there isn't. Your best bet may be to send mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss | 20:09 |
| ebroder | Kartinka: But in general, it's better etiquette to just ask your question instead of asking to ask | 20:11 |
| yml | uwsgi (the application I would like to debianized is in a mercurial repository. My idea was to create the debian folder directly inside the repository. Is there anything wrong with this approach ? dh_make refuse to run because the repository is called uwsgi and does not have yet a version. | 20:21 |
| yml | the application is available here : http://projects.unbit.it/uwsgi | 20:21 |
| RAOF | yml: Yes and no. We like to have a clean separation between upstream & the packaging. This is normally done by taking the upstream tarball and adding a debian directory to the source package only (so it goes in the .diff.gz). | 20:56 |
| RAOF | You could also do this by having a separate mercurial branch, if hg-buildpackage exists. | 20:56 |
| RAOF | (Which it does) | 20:57 |
| yml | RAOF: the idea is to contribute the debian directory to upstream | 20:57 |
| RAOF | Well, we (as in Ubuntu & Debian) really prefer it if upstream _doesn't_ have a debian directory, at least in their releases. | 20:58 |
| yml | so that it is part of the repository and evolve together | 20:58 |
| yml | where is this file managed in revision ? | 20:58 |
| gigabytes | yml: the problem is that sometimes debian and ubuntu have different packages and the debian directory can't be the same. | 20:58 |
| maxb | And the problem is more that the debian/ directory needs changing outside the package's upstream release cycle | 20:59 |
| yml | gigabytes: for now it has none :-) | 20:59 |
| yml | ok I understand the principle | 21:00 |
| yml | but I would prefer to be able to use mercurial to manage this file at least locally | 21:00 |
| RAOF | Take a branch of trunk and add the debian directory. | 21:01 |
| yml | RAOF: I installing hg-buildpackage | 21:02 |
| RAOF | That's perfectly acceptable. | 21:02 |
| ScottK | yml: You can, just don't include it in the tarball for a release. | 21:02 |
| yml | this make sense | 21:02 |
| yml | for now I plan to use MQ | 21:03 |
| Kartinka | For my Problem specially look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8323565#post8323565 i hope anyone can help | 21:21 |
| maxb | Kartinka: This is a development channel, for support, please see #ubuntu | 21:25 |
| Kartinka | there they said i should write my problem here | 21:26 |
| Kartinka | sorry but when everybody said another shit to me what can i do :( | 21:26 |
| ScottK | They are wrong. | 21:26 |
| ScottK | There is also an ubuntu-users mailing list. Maybe more luck there | 21:26 |
| dtchen_ | Kartinka: wrong channel, as stated previously. | 21:29 |
| dtchen_ | Kartinka: to answer your questions, however, they are not hidden from the system, only from devicekit-disks, which means the partitions won't appear in GNOME | 21:30 |
| Kartinka | can i ask you, is there any way to hide them completely from the system? | 21:30 |
| dtchen_ | Kartinka: as for the syntax, please see /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html | 21:30 |
| ScottK | Time to board. See you later. | 21:32 |
| Kartinka | mh okay is there any declaration about how to know that i have to use for example KERNEL=="loop*|ram*", GOTO="hide_partitions_end"<--- loop*|ram* in this part and so on?! | 21:32 |
| Kartinka | because i would like to understand what i do not only copy and paste cause of that i ask... | 21:32 |
| dtchen_ | Kartinka: see the file I referenced. | 21:32 |
| Kartinka | okay i will take a look about when i switched system! sorry for nerding...^^ | 21:33 |
| Kartinka | cause can you give me last answer on the question above | 21:33 |
| Kartinka | cause of hiding them from the whole system is it in any way possible to do or not? | 21:34 |
| dtchen_ | Kartinka: yes, of course it's possible | 21:35 |
| dtchen_ | Kartinka: if you really don't want to reboot, use http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/udev/ubuntu/files/head%3A/docs/writing_udev_rules/ | 21:35 |
| Kartinka | oh thats really nice from you thank you! | 21:37 |
| Kartinka | dtchen_ can i ask you, in which method is it possible to hide the partitions completely? :/ i hope i distrb you not to much but i found nobody before | 21:43 |
| dtchen_ | Kartinka: please, this channel is not appropriate for general support questions. | 21:43 |
| Kartinka | can i talk to you in query? | 21:44 |
| Kartinka | i don't want to write without asking you for it... | 21:44 |
| dtchen_ | sorry, but I'm fairly busy at the moment | 21:44 |
| Kartinka | mh okay sorry... :( | 21:44 |
| pitti | ebroder: first time I hear about cups-pk-helper, I'm afraid | 21:52 |
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| andersk | Why hasn’t libmoose-perl synced from Debian yet? It’s currently uninstallable in lucid. | 23:28 |
| ebroder | Huh? squeeze and lucid both have 0.92-1 | 23:29 |
| andersk | Lucid has 0.82-1 unless that’s changed very very recently. | 23:30 |
| ebroder | Ah - looks like it's in depwait | 23:30 |
| ebroder | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmoose-perl/0.92-1/+build/1325365 | 23:30 |
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| andersk | Looks like it’s waiting on libtest-simple-perl >= 0.88? That should be satisfiable now. | 23:32 |
| ebroder | No, it's in depwait for libtry-tiny-perl | 23:32 |
| ebroder | Which is a new package. Don't archive admins have to approve new packages? | 23:32 |
| andersk | I thought they don’t (before DebianImportFreeze). | 23:33 |
| ebroder | The process described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Syncs sounds like they have to be manually ACKed | 23:34 |
| ScottK | If there's an existing Ubuntu diff, it takes a manual sync | 23:34 |
| ebroder | ScottK: this is a package that was previously not in Ubuntu | 23:34 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 23:35 |
| ebroder | (s/previously/currently/, really) | 23:35 |
| andersk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianImportFreeze says it should be automatic. | 23:35 |
| ScottK | Even auto sync needs a manual push. | 23:36 |
| andersk | Hmm, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSDebianImportFreeze does not. | 23:37 |
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