| * lifeless watches the dustweeds | 00:43 | |
| lifeless | spiv: bug 457952 | 01:25 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 457952 in bzr "pqm does not use subunit because bzr selftest --subunit reports errors" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/457952 | 01:25 |
| spiv | lifeless: what about it? I guess the question is "what precisely should the 'check' target do?", and then just land that. | 01:27 |
| lifeless | spiv: I proposed an idiom earlier in the bug report | 01:28 |
| spiv | lifeless: feel like proposing an actual patch? :) | 01:28 |
| lifeless | I think something like tee test.log && subunit-stats < test.log | 01:28 |
| lifeless | spiv: or subunit-filter --no-skip < test.log | subunit2pyunit | 01:29 |
| spiv | lifeless: sure, the idea sounds fine. But it seems to me that you're the best person to decide on the details. | 01:30 |
| lifeless | spiv: I'll add it to my queue | 01:31 |
| lifeless | spiv: possibly in the weekend | 01:31 |
| lifeless | spiv: I may be the best person; I don't think it needs the best person. | 01:32 |
| spiv | Well, partly I'm a bit hesistant because last time I turned on subunit things broke. But that change was also simpler... and I haven't got all the various subunit-* utils paged in, so discovering the options for achieving this and evaluating them is not trivial effort. If you propose a patch I can pilot it though ;) | 01:34 |
| lifeless | its not really on my radar workwise | 01:38 |
| lifeless | spiv: I guess what I'm thinking is that : it will help folk landing stuff; having at least one other person happy with the tool chain is important :) | 01:47 |
| stewart | hi! i'm having issues with a plugin I wrote. it's trying to commit.run with author= as a parameter, but i'm getting "author: s, t, e, w" etc instead of "author: stewart@" any clues? | 02:27 |
| stewart | running bzr 2.0.2 | 02:27 |
| stewart | (this used to work okay) | 02:29 |
| spiv | stewart: a commit can have multiple authors | 02:32 |
| spiv | stewart: so IIRC you need to pass a list of author strings, not just a single author string. | 02:32 |
| stewart | ahh... | 02:32 |
| stewart | let's try that | 02:32 |
| spiv | That feature was added in 1.13 according to the news file. | 02:33 |
| stewart | subtle API change :) | 02:34 |
| spiv | Yeah. It would have been nicer I guess if the API had renamed that param. | 02:34 |
| spiv | And also calling it 'authors' would be clearer, really, but I think that's a limitation of our command-line processing infrastructure. | 02:35 |
| stewart | as i don't think i'm that important that each character in my email address should be listed :) | 02:35 |
| stewart | i should actually rip this plugin out of the internal mysql tree and just publish it.... was the original intention. | 02:36 |
| spiv | Probably ListOption should grow a feature where the name of the --option does not have to precisely match the param in the API, because the CLI will have a singular word (possibly repeated), but the API ideally would have a plural. | 02:37 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: hi | 02:38 |
| * fullermd slaps lying 'merge' around. | 03:46 | |
| fullermd | Is it actually expected that merge bleats about being unable to find a common ancestor when there are two of 'em? | 03:52 |
| lifeless | fullermd: thats a criss cross | 03:56 |
| lifeless | and it recurses deeper in that case | 03:57 |
| fullermd | Well, no, it just dies. | 03:57 |
| lifeless | fullermd: you may have a special case. | 03:57 |
| lifeless | bug filed? | 03:57 |
| fullermd | bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified. | 03:57 |
| lifeless | theres no sign of two common ancestors there | 03:58 |
| fullermd | Well, I know. But there are two. | 03:59 |
| fullermd | bug 483388 | 04:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 483388 in bzr "merge lies about lacking common ancestors when it has multiple choices" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483388 | 04:03 |
| fullermd | (adding an explicit merge type doesn't change anything; I conjecture that it blows up before it gets to anything merge-type varies) | 04:13 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: hope you read this later, I've got the new update site, but it works only if extracted. Some users like me get confused because update sites usually work as a zip. But anyway, I've extracted it and got bzr-eclipse installed without errors | 04:26 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: however, when I try to get a lp branch as new project, it's not working if I put a non-ascii path :( | 04:26 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: org.vcs.bazaar.client.xmlrpc.XmlRpcCommandException: <class 'xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError'>:not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 302 | 04:27 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: iirc that error is related to xmloutput | 04:28 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: Hi | 05:28 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: hi | 05:28 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: yes, there is a bug with the bundled xmloutput in windows :/ | 05:28 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: I'm working on a fix ATM | 05:28 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: ok let me know if I'm still here, so that I can test it | 05:29 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: ok, probably I'll finish it by tomorrow, I need to sleep a few hours before go to work ;) | 05:29 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: ah ok :) | 05:30 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: just to note: I think there are remaining encoding problems in xmloutput | 05:30 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: oh, that's bad :( | 05:30 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: do you remember a bug when I said about 2 approaches about the XML Header? Always declare and UTF-8 vs. detect system encoding? | 05:31 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: yes | 05:31 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: I've noted that your fixes to the encoding problems I've reported tend to go to detecting, but as I said, we must be careful about valid entries. For example, we can't get <?xml... encoding="cp850"?> because cp850 is an invalid entry for an XML document. | 05:33 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: besides, I wonder if the fixes you've committed are adding more issues. In a nutshell: we need to take a better look at xmloutput. Feel free to ask me for testing :) | 05:34 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: regarding, bzr-eclipse, in the preference page, try adding the path to the bzr plugins directory to the plugins path , e.g: in my winxp vm, it's: C:\Documents and Settings\guillermo\Datos de programa\bazaar\2.0\plugins | 05:34 |
| * RenatoSilva checks his xmloutput bugs | 05:34 | |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: and click the Recheck button after setting it :) | 05:35 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: but the bundled xmloutput is the same as trunk | 05:35 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: or is it for something else? | 05:35 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: yes, but there is a bug in bzr-eclipse, the code that builds the BZR_PLUGIN_PATH value is broken for windows paths | 05:36 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: it's trunk | 05:36 |
| RenatoSilva | ok but why does it need to be aware of that path? | 05:36 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: to override the path of the bundled xmloutput...I didn't testted :/ | 05:37 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: looks like adding the path to plugins dir works, at least in my spanish win xp :) | 05:41 |
| RenatoSilva | override the path? | 05:42 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: in the bazaar preference page, there is an option to add plugins path | 05:43 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: bzr-eclipse trunk, don't handle windows paths ok, and so the BZR_PLUGIN_PATH used contains a wrong path. | 05:44 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: in order to use trunk build, you need to add the plugins path manually | 05:44 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: ok but I mean, why does bzr-eclipse need to know that plugins path? to override the bundled's? but what's that? | 05:45 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: bzr-eclipse trunk, bundle xmloutput so users don't have to install it...basically to simplify the install process | 05:46 |
| Peng | What's the right way to make push default to --no-strict? An alias? | 05:46 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: but to do that, it need to set BZR_PLUGINS_PATH when it launchs the xmlrpc service | 05:47 |
| verterok | Peng: probably that's the way to go :) | 05:48 |
| * RenatoSilva installing bzr-eclipse again | 05:49 | |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: or you can wait until tomorrow night, for the new build ;) | 05:50 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: you said I could set the path manually, do you think it may be cause of the parse error I mentioned above? | 05:51 |
| Peng | verterok: Eh, ok | 05:51 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: don't know :/ | 05:51 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: ok will test now | 05:52 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: that error is the same we were getting in hudson a few days ago... | 05:52 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: I remember that error as being something regarding encoding for sure | 05:52 |
| poolie1 | spiv, how did the pilotage go? | 05:54 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: there's no executable set, can't get how it was finding it... | 05:56 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: it will look for it in PATH | 05:57 |
| RenatoSilva | ah ok, just added bzr's plugin path, will test | 05:57 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: bah, same error, even setting the path manually :( | 06:00 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: :( | 06:00 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: org.vcs.bazaar.client.xmlrpc.XmlRpcCommandException: <class 'xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError'>:not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 302 | 06:00 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: would be easy to find out what's happening if I debug, but I'm afraing not getting the source code debug working | 06:01 |
| RenatoSilva | afraid | 06:01 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: bzr-eclipse code? | 06:01 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: it should bo ok now, I updated all deps in the pom(s).xml | 06:02 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: yes, and we'd need bzr-java-lib too... | 06:02 |
| verterok | *be | 06:02 |
| spiv | poolie1: it's going pretty well, although it's a bit tedious figuring out who has signed the contributor agreement | 06:02 |
| poolie1 | there's an lp team for it? | 06:02 |
| poolie1 | i think? | 06:03 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: but bzr-eclipse does not come configured to work with the source code of bzr-java-lib | 06:03 |
| spiv | There is, but a) I'm not confident it's up to date, and b) I don't see any way to go from a team page to a complete list of members. | 06:03 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: yes, it will pull bzr-java-lib from the maven repository | 06:03 |
| spiv | Or rather, I see a way that *should* do that, but doesn't. | 06:03 |
| spiv | You can go backwards, from the lp user check their team memberships. | 06:03 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: if the problem is not with xmloutput, it is with bzr-java-lib likely, so I will need the source of that too | 06:04 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: oh, ok | 06:05 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: I've got it working before, let me try again (feaaaar) | 06:05 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: /me needs to get some sleep :) | 06:05 |
| RAOF | Hm. How can I tell if a bzr-git dpush is actually going to finish or not (halting problem notwithstanding)? This one seems to have pushed ~400MiB of data, which is substantially larger than the repository. | 06:05 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: ok see you, thanks | 06:05 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: np, thank you :-) | 06:06 |
| verterok | seey'a later! | 06:06 |
| RenatoSilva | Is there any issues related to running two bzr.exe instances at the same time? | 06:10 |
| RenatoSilva | I suspect I have one or more | 06:10 |
| poolie1 | spiv: seriously? that seems like quite a gap | 06:24 |
| RAOF | Oooh. 2GB ram & 600MiB upload later it seems that dpus is almost done :) | 06:24 |
| poolie1 | spiv, in theory one can write a bot that marks mp depending on whether the contributor is a member of the team or not | 06:26 |
| spiv | poolie1: yeah, just filing a bug on that now. There's an "All members" link, but it leads to disappointment rather than the information I seek. | 06:26 |
| poolie1 | https://edge.launchpad.net/~contributor-agreement-canonical/+members#active | 06:26 |
| poolie1 | oh because it doesn't expand ubuntuone-hackers? | 06:26 |
| poolie1 | it's safe to assume they're all staff | 06:26 |
| spiv | poolie1: that page says "54 people are members in total", then only lists 9 people | 06:27 |
| fullermd | "New bug filed: Plz delink disappointment" | 06:27 |
| spiv | Hmm, I'm not sure if that's a correct assumption. | 06:28 |
| spiv | Anyway, I think that means that page isn't complete, given that there are many more on the internal wiki page. | 06:28 |
| poolie1 | i still think it's a bug | 06:36 |
| poolie1 | that's true too | 06:36 |
| poolie1 | we should pull them across | 06:36 |
| poolie1 | can i suggest you mention this in a mail about the pilot project sometime | 06:37 |
| poolie1 | hm | 06:37 |
| poolie1 | actually it might just be flamebait | 06:37 |
| poolie1 | we probably should reconcile that team with the other list/s though | 06:38 |
| spiv | Yes, a single canonical (hah!) list would be nice. | 06:38 |
| poolie1 | if only there was a massive sql db guaranteed to have the precisely correct schema and data | 06:38 |
| fullermd | You can just use the web as one. First, you become Google... | 06:39 |
| spiv | That's just begging for another joke about the word "canonical" :P | 06:39 |
| poolie1 | we only give you $5 for lunch? that doesn't go far... | 06:44 |
| spiv | poolie1: for breakfast | 06:45 |
| lifeless | hmm, I need to do expenses too | 06:49 |
| lifeless | we did what, three group meals? mon, wed, friday | 06:49 |
| poolie1 | and also thursday, without you | 06:50 |
| lifeless | yes :) | 06:51 |
| === weigon_ is now known as weigon | ||
| bialix | Hi GaryvdM | 09:26 |
| maxb | Where is the correct place to discuss a compatibility-breaking UI change? Namely, I would like to propose dropping the 'bzr rebase --always-rebase-merges' option and making its behaviour the default | 11:33 |
| balor | Is there a nice linux GUI tool for resolving conflicts? | 11:35 |
| bob2 | meld | 11:35 |
| bob2 | if you use emacs, smerge-ediff is very nice, too | 11:35 |
| bob2 | (aside from the ridiculous colours) | 11:36 |
| balor | bob2, How does meld help? do I diff3 the BASE OTHER and THIS files? | 11:36 |
| gioele | balor: yes, also try kdiff3 | 11:50 |
| balor | gioele, Thanks. Meld worked brilliantly well. | 11:53 |
| balor | meld foo.c.BASE foo.c.OTHER foo.c.THIS, make them all agree then cp foo.c.BASE foo.c, bzr ci | 11:53 |
| gioele | balor: no "bzr resolve"? | 11:57 |
| Peng | "bzr resolved" is for telling bzr that the conflicts have been resolved, not for actively resolving them (unlike hg, which always bites me). | 11:59 |
| gioele | Peng: yes, but I thought that you needed "bzr resolve" before "bzr commit" | 12:00 |
| Peng | Oh oh, that's what you meant. Yes, you're correct. | 12:09 |
| Peng | Sorry I misunderstood. | 12:09 |
| gioele | spiv: (pilot) could you help me with <https://code.launchpad.net/~gioele/bzr/forgot-commit-message>? Is there something missing or wrong? | 12:31 |
| RenatoSilva | what is .bzr\checkout\lock\releasing.ed3xwzvx48mik4q2lqhl.tmp? | 12:50 |
| RenatoSilva | and .bzr\checkout\lock\held? | 12:50 |
| RenatoSilva | and how access denied errors are related to such files? | 12:50 |
| bialix | RenatoSilva: break-lock is your friend | 13:12 |
| RenatoSilva | sorry? | 13:12 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: this is happening in unit tests, *randomly* | 13:13 |
| bialix | RenatoSilva: windows? | 13:13 |
| RenatoSilva | procmon is my friend and gives the this info about the error: Path "C:\Documents and Settings\Renato\Configurações locais\Temp\bazaar_client_tests8941769694356864996\working_copies\localBranch\original\.bzr\checkout\lock\held" | 13:14 |
| RenatoSilva | Detail "ReplaceIfExists: False, FileName: C:\Documents and Settings\Renato\Configurações locais\Temp\bazaar_client_tests8941769694356864996\working_copies\localBranch\original\.bzr\checkout\lock\releasing.rcgp0djgibyborcys2tx.tmp" | 13:14 |
| RenatoSilva | * gives me, and yes WinXP SP3 updated | 13:14 |
| bialix | I'd suggest to using shorter path for temp directory | 13:14 |
| RenatoSilva | I don't know what ReplaceIfExists and the related FileName means though | 13:14 |
| bialix | something like C:\TMP | 13:14 |
| RenatoSilva | Already tried | 13:15 |
| RenatoSilva | I probably tried anything that you can imagine :P | 13:15 |
| bialix | this is test for smart server? or dumb server perhaps | 13:15 |
| RenatoSilva | sorry? | 13:15 |
| bialix | I'd say this is race condition | 13:16 |
| bialix | RenatoSilva: bazaar_client_tests | 13:16 |
| bialix | the name of this tests suggest me that some sort of server is tested | 13:16 |
| bialix | perhaps some code runs in thread | 13:16 |
| RenatoSilva | what's that I'm sorry? The test errors are with bzr-java-lib project, only in my Windows XP | 13:17 |
| bialix | therefore race condtion | 13:17 |
| bialix | so what? | 13:17 |
| bialix | .bzr\checkout\lock is lock | 13:17 |
| bialix | if you have file with lock info still opened/read by one process you can't delete it by other | 13:18 |
| RenatoSilva | a dir right? and releasing.*.tmp? | 13:18 |
| bialix | RenatoSilva: there is file inside, named info | 13:18 |
| bialix | text file with info about lock | 13:18 |
| bialix | *.tmp is fancy_rename trick | 13:18 |
| bialix | see bzrlib/osutils.py fancy_rename | 13:19 |
| * RenatoSilva has no idea on what could be causing this problem, he's into this since days | 13:20 | |
| Peng | Something that doesn't release locks, perhaps? | 13:20 |
| bialix | if you say it's random failures then I'd say it's either path length limit or race condition | 13:20 |
| bialix | or you have aggressive anti-virus | 13:21 |
| RenatoSilva | bzr-java-lib uses an XML-RPC server started with "bzr start-xmlrpc", then it sends commands to the server and reads the response. The tests work the same way | 13:21 |
| bialix | so you have 2 concurrent processes. race condition? | 13:22 |
| RenatoSilva | I'm currently running one specific test in Eclipse, and I'm catching the above error in procmon, it seems unreleased lock but has no sense (why? how? when? who? etc) | 13:23 |
| bialix | perhaps raised error | 13:23 |
| bialix | logs are you friends | 13:24 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: I don't understand how my anti-virus would be causing this without notifying anything.... | 13:24 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: besides I tried disabling it... | 13:25 |
| bialix | anti-virus monitor can start reading/checking new files therefore effectively blocking file deletion | 13:25 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: 2 processes? why? what processes? | 13:25 |
| bialix | XML-RPC server = 1st process, client = 2nd process, right& | 13:26 |
| bialix | XML-RPC server = 1st process, client = 2nd process, right? | 13:26 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: but if I disabled the monitor for a while, it would stop monitoring and therefore stop blocking, however shutting down the anti-virus didn't work :( | 13:26 |
| bialix | that's bad if it won't help | 13:27 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: client does not access the temp repo afaik, it only sends commands to xml-rpc server and handles response | 13:27 |
| bialix | do you have some pastebin to show? | 13:28 |
| RenatoSilva | I don't know if it serves as a clue, but during the test, procmon reports 3 executions of bzr.exe with different command lines, let me see | 13:28 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: I can give you may pastebins, you just have to choose of what exactly :D | 13:29 |
| bialix | I have no idea about your code | 13:29 |
| bialix | why you need to run bzr.exe 3 times? | 13:29 |
| RenatoSilva | I'm just an user/contributor | 13:30 |
| * bialix is not user even | 13:30 | |
| bialix | RenatoSilva: sometimes tests written in linux way, so it's hard to understand what's wrong | 13:31 |
| * bialix don't understand Java either | 13:32 | |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: I don't --need-- 3 times, I've --found-- it | 13:32 |
| bialix | so maybe this is error? | 13:33 |
| bialix | sometimes one strange error masked actual error | 13:33 |
| RenatoSilva | I wonder if for any reason and somehow another bzr.exe tries to do something in the same branch | 13:33 |
| RenatoSilva | The question is why it was working perfectly a few days ago.... | 13:34 |
| bialix | oh, my favorite question | 13:34 |
| RenatoSilva | anything that I've done of different I tried to revert back | 13:35 |
| RenatoSilva | I reverted windows back to a previous state, before insatlling AVG9 (over 8.5) and updating windows | 13:36 |
| RenatoSilva | I had problems with that, but after fixing them, I've got it wroking | 13:36 |
| RenatoSilva | then while I was here talking to verterok a thsi week, it stopped working again | 13:37 |
| RenatoSilva | the only thing I could figure out have done different was that I cancelled mvn test in cmd line, and that verterok pushed a new lib version to repo that was dowloaded | 13:37 |
| RenatoSilva | So I tried to change permisssions of mvn, c:/program files, ~, etc.... | 13:38 |
| RenatoSilva | tried to reinstall bzr and mvn, tried many things...and nothing.... | 13:38 |
| RenatoSilva | I even installed recent windows updates one by one, like one of them was causing this, but no | 13:39 |
| RenatoSilva | Therefore, I don't even know what action caused this starting to happen | 13:40 |
| bialix | sorry, it seems I can't help here | 13:40 |
| RenatoSilva | I'm looking for someone with mvn + winxp sp3 updated [+ avg9] to try at least reproduce the problem | 13:40 |
| RenatoSilva | is bzr.exe.Local a bzr stuff? | 13:41 |
| bialix | bzr.exe.Local? no | 13:47 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: there are mainly 2 kind of errors that randomly happen, first one is access denied about the lock | 13:55 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: not sure but seconde one seems to happen when first one passes | 13:55 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: 2nd is unknown command "C:\Arquivos de programas\Bazaar\bzr.exe" | 13:55 |
| RenatoSilva | which is absolutely non-sense, the file exists | 13:56 |
| bialix | do you have this file? | 13:56 |
| RenatoSilva | it's bzr! | 13:56 |
| bialix | yes, I see it's bzr | 13:56 |
| bialix | if this string process be something like shlex.split you'll have a problem | 13:57 |
| bialix | much better if there will be forward slashes using | 13:57 |
| RenatoSilva | I mean, it's the one that works all the time, and exists all the time, it can't say it's unkonw (and worse, tell that *sometimes*) | 13:57 |
| RenatoSilva | about the bzr.exe count, don't know the right order but they are "bzr xmlversion --short", "bzr xmlplugins", and "bzr start-xmlrpc" | 13:58 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: ^^^ does this give you any clue? | 13:59 |
| RenatoSilva | god, fatal error in procmon itself o.O | 14:00 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: hi | 14:03 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: hi, good morning :) | 14:04 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: bzr-java-lib need to check the if xmloutput is installed and the version, and after that it starts the xmlrpc service | 14:04 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: I've sent you a few emails | 14:06 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: yes, reading them ATM :) | 14:07 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: I just finished a deploy of bzr-java-lib snapshot to the maven repository, the snapshot num. is: bzr-java-lib-0.5.3-20091116.142139-1 | 14:24 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: actually, the connection timedout..hang on :) | 14:26 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: man, 0.5.3 is in sync with the code? I don't understand how can bzr-eclipse bundle not work, but when you get the source code, it does | 14:27 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: I mentioned this file in email: http://verterok.com.ar/maven-repo/org/vcs/bazaar/client/bzr-java-lib/0.5.3-SNAPSHOT/bzr-java-lib-0.5.3-SNAPSHOT-sources.jar, | 14:28 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: probably because of how it's started when executed from inside eclipse | 14:28 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: hmm, that file shouldn't exists in the repository... | 14:28 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: that file is not the latest code, and its related binary is expected to not be either | 14:28 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: I'll delete all -SNAPSHOTs files | 14:29 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: so you mean these source jars are not generated by the same process than the one for the binary version? | 14:30 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: maven deployed snapshots use a timestamp | 14:30 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: yes, but I missed the source generation (an extra parameter to mvn :/) | 14:30 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: remvoe all -SNAPSHOT from your local maven repo and run 'mvn compile' in bzr-eclipse again :) | 14:32 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: about the xml enc detection, cat is not done through xmlrpc, right? but there's no detection involved right, because it's not xml... | 14:32 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: right, there is no xml | 14:33 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: source code is working, I don't use bzr-java-lib jars in it | 14:33 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: ok so I think for cat we'll have no problem, need to check just if there's any xmloutput command that is not run with XMLRPCCommandRunner | 14:34 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: xmlplugins & xmlversion for sure | 14:34 |
| RenatoSilva | hmmm ok... | 14:36 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: is the xmloutput plugin installed in a path with non-ascii name? | 14:37 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: or bzr itself? | 14:37 |
| RenatoSilva | no | 14:37 |
| RenatoSilva | just spaces | 14:37 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: run xmlversion in a cmd.exe, probably the log file is in your user dir | 14:38 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: is there any non-ascii path? | 14:40 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: bzr log seems ok, no error | 14:40 |
| RenatoSilva | verterok: non-ascii path where? you're talking about which email specifically? :) | 14:40 |
| RenatoSilva | oh xmlversion? let me see | 14:40 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: no email :) the output of xmlversion | 14:41 |
| RenatoSilva | humm no, it is ascii-only | 14:43 |
| verterok | RenatoSilva: and xmlplugins? | 14:43 |
| RenatoSilva | the output is bigger, not sure how to check it, looking.... | 14:44 |
| RenatoSilva | seems ascii-only too | 14:45 |
| aguafuertes | Hi, is somebody here who has 5 minutes to explain some Bazaar concepts that I could not figure out by reading the documentation? | 15:36 |
| RenatoSilva | maybe | 15:36 |
| aguafuertes | :) great | 15:37 |
| RenatoSilva | I said maybe :) | 15:37 |
| aguafuertes | ;) | 15:37 |
| aguafuertes | I try to set up a branch that I want to work an with one colleguae | 15:37 |
| aguafuertes | we are a Windows environment, I'm the only Ubuntu user | 15:37 |
| aguafuertes | I installed an ssh server on my machine | 15:38 |
| aguafuertes | my colleague tries to branch my work, but always receives the error "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch:" | 15:38 |
| aguafuertes | interestingly, when branching directly in the file system, everything works fine | 15:39 |
| Peng | Your colleague has SSH access to your machine? | 15:39 |
| aguafuertes | yes, I set up an extra user for him | 15:39 |
| aguafuertes | interestingly, I can branch via the file system without problrm | 15:40 |
| Peng | Huh. Um. Note that bzr+ssh:// paths are relative to the root, not the user's home directory (though you can use ~ for that on recent versions. Probably.) | 15:40 |
| aguafuertes | mm, ok, that is a good hint | 15:40 |
| * Peng goes /away again | 15:40 | |
| aguafuertes | I'll try that first | 15:40 |
| aguafuertes | Peng, thanks so much! | 15:43 |
| aguafuertes | that was it :) | 15:43 |
| Peng | Really? It was? I'm surprised. Well, I'm glad it's fixed. :) | 15:44 |
| aguafuertes | yes, I simply assumed that the it would be relative to the ssh user's login | 15:44 |
| aguafuertes | is that somewhere in the documentation? | 15:44 |
| aguafuertes | if not, maybe it can be added for people like me, coming from a web developer background | 15:45 |
| aguafuertes | were we deal more with document roots ;) | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | bzr 2.0.2 (karmic ppa) burns and crashes (TooManyConcurrentRequests) if I try to bzr pull over ssh from a server running bzr 1.13 | 15:46 |
| Peng | TooManyConcurrentRequests: The most useless error message ever, aside from "Segmentation fault". | 15:47 |
| mgedmin | nah, segfault is very informative | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | TMCR is ... interesting | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | hm, maybe this is because I'm using a checkout | 15:54 |
| Peng | You're trying to "bzr pull" inside a checkout? Don't do that. Use "update". | 15:54 |
| Peng | Although it obviously shouldn't fail with such an error... | 15:54 |
| Peng | File a bug? | 15:54 |
| mgedmin | I don't want to update | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | I'm pulling from a different branch, not the one I'm bound to | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | bug filed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/483661 | 15:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 483661 in bzr "bzr pull bzr+ssh fails with TooManyConcurrentRequests" [Undecided,New] | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | "don't do that" sounds like something to suggest to people who say "I'm trying to use bazaar" | 15:56 |
| LarstiQ_ | Peng: hmm, it's valid if you want to pull into the branch you're bound to | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | fwiw bzr pull over http worked fine | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if pull over ssh would work if the two branches lived on different hosts | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | hm, bzr pull over ssh works now that there are no changes to pull | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | lemme update the bug | 15:57 |
| === jam1 is now known as jam | ||
| mgedmin | anyway, found a workaround (pull over http), got ideas for other workarounds (bzr unbind; bzr pull; bzr push; bzr bind), hope you get the bug fixed sooner or later | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | cheers! | 16:01 |
| jam | is there a losa about that can create a bzr-2.1 branch for me? | 16:36 |
| mthaddon | jam: sure | 16:36 |
| jam | basically, just "bzr branch lp:~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev lp:~bzr-pqm/bzr/2.1" should be sufficient. | 16:36 |
| jam | thanks mthaddon | 16:37 |
| mthaddon | jam: is there an RT for this, or could you give me a quick run down on why it's needed? | 16:37 |
| jam | and, of course, setting up pqm to allow access to that (if anything needs to be done there) | 16:37 |
| jam | mthaddon: No rt (yet), needed because I'll be releasing 2.1.0b3 ~ today | 16:37 |
| jam | I'm going to try to use a 2.1 branch rather than 2.1.0b3 so that we don't have to pester you every month | 16:38 |
| mthaddon | jam: ok, should be good to go | 16:45 |
| jam | mthaddon: thanks. I did end up sending an RT request | 16:50 |
| jam | #36509 | 16:51 |
| jam | if you want to tick off that you already finished it | 16:51 |
| mthaddon | thx | 16:51 |
| === abentley is now known as abentley-lunch | ||
| === LarstiQ_ is now known as LarstiQ | ||
| maxb | Is there a shortcut way to deal with merge conflicts where both sides added the same file with the same text content independently? | 18:09 |
| jelmer_ | maxb: not really, the two files will have different file ids | 18:10 |
| jelmer_ | and there is no way to join file ids | 18:10 |
| maxb | ok.... I was hoping for a "bzr resolve --obvious" :-) | 18:10 |
| vila | maxb: bzr resolve <file> should do it | 18:12 |
| * Tak bzr resolve --duh | 18:13 | |
| maxb | How do I ask bzr to show me the log of a file according to the merge-source branch? | 18:15 |
| dOxxx | maxb: have you tried using kdiff3 as an external merge tool? | 18:15 |
| * maxb tries installing | 18:16 | |
| maxb | bzr log a-filename -r branch:../../the-merge-source makes bzr crash :-/ | 18:16 |
| dOxxx | maxb: make sure you have the extmerge plugin for bzr installed if you want to use kdiff3 | 18:17 |
| dOxxx | maxb: try bzr log -n1 filename ? | 18:17 |
| maxb | bzr: ERROR: Path unknown at end or start of revision range: debian/patches/svn2cl-upstream | 18:18 |
| dOxxx | hmm that one's out of my league :) | 18:18 |
| dOxxx | maybe try bzr log filename --include-merges | 18:19 |
| maxb | Sorry, this is an uncommitted merge in progress | 18:19 |
| dOxxx | oh... | 18:20 |
| bialix | bzr qlog shows pending merges | 18:21 |
| dOxxx | I suspect there isn't really an easy way to do it other than constructing a URL to the file using the merge-source URL | 18:21 |
| dOxxx | I stand corrected. | 18:21 |
| * maxb tries that | 18:22 | |
| maxb | also, what do I do when bzr erroneously decides a file is binary? | 18:22 |
| bialix | maxb: there is opposite problem | 18:30 |
| bialix | maxb: do you still compare bzr and hg? | 18:38 |
| maxb | Yes. We are currently doing "should we switch from svn and if so what?" at work | 18:38 |
| bialix | any results so far? | 18:41 |
| Meths | maxb: Is your choice between anything other than git, hg and bzr? | 18:41 |
| maxb | Well, I seem to be the only person with truly strong opinions, so I'm driving the whole thing | 18:42 |
| bialix | maxb: many people likes bzr-svn plugin to work directly with svn and to soften the transition | 18:42 |
| maxb | Meths: Not really - we acknowledge that other things exist, but we don't really have any knowledge of others in house, so it's tricky to evaluate anything else without a lot of effort | 18:44 |
| maxb | bialix: Sadly, bzr-svn gets really very slow when all your company's code resides in a single svn repository | 18:44 |
| maxb | Meths: Why, is there something else that we should keep on the table? :-) | 18:44 |
| bialix | understand | 18:45 |
| Meths | maxb: NAFAIK. They seem to be the only sensible options going forward, similar command sets, private sector supporters, Internet project space... | 18:47 |
| === sdboyer_ is now known as sdboyer | ||
| jam | bialix, garyvdm: Hey guys, I'm getting ready to put together 2.1.0b3 and wanted to know what qbzr version to bundle | 19:22 |
| jam | mthaddon: I just tried to submit to 2.1.0 and it tells me I'm not authorized to commit to that branch | 19:28 |
| jam | it is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/2.1.0 right? | 19:28 |
| dOxxx | looks like it's 2.1, not 2.1.0 ? | 19:30 |
| dOxxx | jam: bzr branch lp:bzr/2.1 works for me | 19:33 |
| jam | dOxxx: looks like you're right | 19:33 |
| jam | good enough I guess | 19:33 |
| jam | Probably the right thing anyway | 19:33 |
| jam | though I wish PQM's messages were better | 19:33 |
| jam | (not allowed to commit, versus branch doesn't exist) | 19:34 |
| dOxxx | I'm going by the Series 2.1 page on LP | 19:34 |
| dOxxx | it lists lp:bzr/2.1 as the branch | 19:35 |
| jam | dOxxx: yeah, and *I* just updated that :) | 19:35 |
| jam | just didn't notice the .0 | 19:35 |
| jam | or lack thereof | 19:35 |
| jam | dOxxx: thanks for the pointer, it seems to be going now: http://pqm.bazaar-vcs.org/ | 19:36 |
| dOxxx | cool :) I'm looking forward to being able to install 2.1.0b3 here so I can get the proxy fixes. | 19:37 |
| jam | dOxxx: well, those are also in 2.1.0b2 I believe | 19:45 |
| jam | and you only *need* 2.1.0b3 if you are running python2.4 | 19:45 |
| dOxxx | jam: were there windows installers built for 2.1.0b2? | 19:45 |
| jam | yep | 19:45 |
| jam | not announced, but they are available | 19:46 |
| dOxxx | oh! I never saw them announced anywhere. | 19:46 |
| dOxxx | Where can I find them? | 19:46 |
| jam | I thought I would have 2.1.0b3 last Monday | 19:46 |
| jam | https://launchpad.net/bzr/2.1/2.1.0b2 | 19:46 |
| jam | should have them | 19:46 |
| jam | though 2.1.0b3 will be out in the next day or two | 19:46 |
| dOxxx | I don't mind reinstalling ;) | 19:48 |
| KhaZ | Sorry if this is a basic question, but I just want confirmatino on what I'm about to do. I've commited my 10th revision to a repository, but I'd like to temporarily bring my working tree back to revision 9. Do I use bzr revert -R 9 to do this? | 19:50 |
| dOxxx | -r9 | 19:51 |
| dOxxx | lowercase | 19:51 |
| KhaZ | OK, but revert doesn't actually force a commit, or revert in the repo or anything? | 19:51 |
| dOxxx | I believe so. | 19:53 |
| dOxxx | As I understand it, bazaar has a policy of not automatically committing changes. | 19:53 |
| KhaZ | Sweet. The word 'revert' scares me. :) I'm used to Perforce lingo for syncing to a particular revision, so my first inclination was to bzr up, but that didn't seem to take a -r parameter. | 19:57 |
| dOxxx | yeah, that's update. I'm not actually sure when one would use update. checkouts? | 19:58 |
| KhaZ | I believe you use update when you want to pull chnages from the repo that someone has pushed | 19:59 |
| dOxxx | how does that differ from pull then? | 20:01 |
| Tak | update is for updating a working tree from the branch to which it's bound | 20:03 |
| Tak | pull is for pulling changes from one branch into another | 20:04 |
| dOxxx | bound is not the same as have a push branch set, right? | 20:06 |
| Tak | right | 20:07 |
| KhaZ | Stupid question, can I recursively revert somehow? | 20:07 |
| KhaZ | Oh, bzr revert * works for some reason, but I have to be down a level. Weird. | 20:08 |
| Tak | doesn't `bzr revert` with no arguments do that? | 20:09 |
| KhaZ | I haven't the foggiest. I'll try it out next time I need to do that. ;) | 20:11 |
| KhaZ | I wonder if that works with bzr add as well | 20:11 |
| KhaZ | I find bzr add * is nice to recursively add files, but it doesn't seem to respect files that are in bzr ignore | 20:11 |
| KhaZ | Maybe bzr add will respect that.. Hrmm. | 20:12 |
| === jam changed the topic of #bzr to: Bazaar version control system | 2.0.2 and 2.1.0b3 have gone gold! time to build those installers | try https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr for more help | http://bazaar-vcs.org | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Current pilot: spiv | ||
| jam | KhaZ: if you explicitly name a file with "*" then add will always add it | 20:26 |
| jam | bzr add . | 20:26 |
| jam | or bzr add | 20:26 |
| jam | will recurse from current dir down, or everything respectively | 20:26 |
| jam | respecting ignores | 20:26 |
| KhaZ | Ah, awesome. SO bzr add or bzr add . will respect the ignore list? | 20:26 |
| jam | and yes "bzr revert" no args should revert the whole tree | 20:26 |
| jam | KhaZ: yes | 20:26 |
| KhaZ | Yeah, I figured bzr add * would not respect the ignore list, since technically I"m explicitly saying "add this!". | 20:26 |
| KhaZ | Awesome. Good to hear. | 20:26 |
| dave_ | I have a problem where I installed bzr on a windows comp and put some things under bzr, then the comp crashed. I can access the drive from linux, is there a way to get at those files? | 20:27 |
| jam | dave_: well, if you can get access to the drive, then generally you'll have access to the .bzr directory | 20:28 |
| jam | and you can "bzr branch /path/to/win32/" | 20:28 |
| jam | etc | 20:28 |
| dave_ | and the .bzr directory isn't in the root directory, though, yes? | 20:28 |
| dave_ | well, thanks | 20:30 |
| stuartpb | Uh, how am I supposed to install Bazaar on Slackware? | 20:32 |
| dOxxx | stuartpb: download the source distribution and 'python setup.py install' I think? | 20:33 |
| bialix | hi jam: please use qbzr 0.16 for 2.1.0b3 | 20:34 |
| jam | bialix: sure | 20:34 |
| bialix | you're asked, me answered | 20:34 |
| bialix | gnight | 20:35 |
| dOxxx | I just got a very odd error when pushing to lp: | 20:35 |
| dOxxx | http://pastebin.com/m23fbb00c | 20:36 |
| dOxxx | when creating a local branch of bzrtools, I created it in a 2a shared repository | 20:37 |
| dOxxx | I guess bzrtools is not a 2a format branch and so stacking on it doesn't work? | 20:37 |
| jam | dOxxx: right, though if you do "bzr push -r -1" again it will push without stacking | 20:43 |
| jam | probably more accidentally than anything, but it should work | 20:44 |
| dOxxx | I'm trying to recreate my feature branch with the correct format | 20:44 |
| jam | I think bzrtools is in 1.9-rich-root, which means it should be able to merge any changes from a 2a format repo | 20:45 |
| dOxxx | yup, success :) | 20:55 |
| dOxxx | lp:~doxxx/bzrtools/shell-dir | 20:56 |
| fullermd | jam: Hey, I've got a Q or two... | 20:56 |
| jam | fullermd: QQ ? | 20:57 |
| fullermd | Nono, that's perl 8-} | 20:58 |
| jam | more pew-pew, less QQ fullermd | 20:58 |
| fullermd | Somewhat re that merge thing. I was under the impression that when we merge3 on a criss-cross, it bleats at you and tells you to lca or weave. | 20:58 |
| jam | not exactly | 20:58 |
| jam | it still tries merge3 | 20:58 |
| jam | it just bleats at you | 20:58 |
| jam | however, for the tree-shape info, etc | 20:58 |
| jam | we still use a common base | 20:59 |
| fullermd | But when I use -r0..-1 to force that merge to go through, it doesn't. Is that because I explicitly -r'd, or because of the null LCA in that case, or something else? | 20:59 |
| jam | fullermd: you actually want "-r1..-1" | 20:59 |
| jam | but it doesn't bleat when you supply a base | 20:59 |
| jam | because it doesn't search for one | 20:59 |
| jam | yes | 20:59 |
| fullermd | Ah. Should it? In the real case, the criss-cross caused a lot of really ugly spurious conflicts. | 21:00 |
| fullermd | (using weave left it with 2 real ones) | 21:00 |
| jam | fullermd: so if you used "-r 1..-1" I would expect fewer conflicts | 21:00 |
| jam | though possibly you'd still end up with a bunch from side-2 | 21:00 |
| fullermd | That wouldn't work in the real case, because r1 on both sides are totally unrelated. | 21:00 |
| jam | fullermd: sure, but supplying 0 is probably saying also look at all the changes from this side | 21:01 |
| jam | at least 1 skips that initial import | 21:01 |
| jam | anyway, only --weave and possibly --lca will work in this case | 21:01 |
| jam | since there is clearly no "clean" base | 21:01 |
| jam | fullermd: in case you didn't get my joke: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=less%20qq%20more%20pew%20pew | 21:02 |
| fullermd | Anyway. *I* know that, because I know (or would have known had I pondered it) that it was a criss-cross. | 21:03 |
| fullermd | It feels like bzr probably should have known to prompt me, though. | 21:03 |
| jam | well, it did warn you :) | 21:03 |
| jam | I've really wanted to get merge3 to use per-file merge bases | 21:03 |
| jam | which might get you out of this as well | 21:03 |
| jam | if the code bases were truly disjoint | 21:04 |
| fullermd | Not as such, it just dumped me a big pile of conflicts... | 21:04 |
| jam | ENOTUITS | 21:04 |
| fullermd | Actually, I thought the plan was just to make lca the default. Did that just fall in the tuit hole, or are there reasons not to? | 21:04 |
| jam | well, if you specifically request -r0 we'll give you -r0 | 21:04 |
| jam | at *this* point, *I* prefer --weave to --lca | 21:04 |
| jam | but I worked on --weave | 21:04 |
| jam | abentley worked on lca | 21:04 |
| jam | We've talked about changing | 21:05 |
| jam | but people also like getting .THIS .OTHER .BASE files | 21:05 |
| jam | which is why people like mysql use --merge3 most of the time | 21:05 |
| fullermd | Going back and retrying the real branches with 1..-1 instead of 0..-1 doesn't make any visible difference on the conflicts. | 21:05 |
| fullermd | 8 conflicts encountered. one way and 20 conflicts encountered. the other. | 21:06 |
| fullermd | (and actually, I think one of the real ones is spurious, but I s'pose it's possible bzr can't really tell. 1 of them is real.) | 21:07 |
| fullermd | Anyway. | 21:07 |
| fullermd | I also got an eye-twitch at that btree padding change. Could that trip up pre-2.1 versions? | 21:08 |
| jam | fullermd: shouldn't | 21:08 |
| jam | we never read those bytes | 21:08 |
| fullermd | (I have no reason necessarily to believe it does, it just caught my eye as something that played in that court) | 21:08 |
| jam | we allow a single page to be <4096 bytes | 21:09 |
| jam | we reserve 120 bytes at the start | 21:09 |
| jam | but if it is less than that | 21:09 |
| jam | we write the info right away | 21:09 |
| jam | and pad at the end to make up the loss | 21:09 |
| jam | and generally we just throw away those bytes anyway | 21:09 |
| jam | so the change was to just not write the | 21:10 |
| jam | them | 21:10 |
| fullermd | Good 'nuff for me. | 21:12 |
| fullermd | Danke. | 21:12 |
| jam | fullermd: any more Q.Q ? | 21:13 |
| jam | or :,( :) | 21:13 |
| jam | :'( I mean | 21:13 |
| fullermd | Well, I'm massively piled up and way behind at work. Does that count? | 21:14 |
| fullermd | But I'm hopeful that if I can get a good long day in today, I can take care of the stuff we need for the Oct 30 deadline and start looking at what we need for the Nov 16 one... | 21:14 |
| jam | fullermd: could you put that in the form of a QQ? | 21:14 |
| jam | fullermd: so only 2 weeks behind? | 21:15 |
| jam | I've certainly been far worse than that | 21:15 |
| fullermd | Well, so far... | 21:15 |
| fullermd | We've still got almost a month until the hard deadline when the whole thing has to be done. | 21:16 |
| lifeless | fullermd: what are you working on? | 21:27 |
| jam | morning li | 21:32 |
| jam | lifeless: | 21:32 |
| jam | ^^ | 21:32 |
| fullermd | Oh, it's just $CURRENT_PROJECT. The client has their big annual convention thingy in December, and we're supposed to have this all ready for them to show off then. | 21:33 |
| * fullermd is losing optimism. | 21:33 | |
| vila | fullermd: yeah, next time I have to debug some ntp stuff, I'll be sure to not ask you (two weeks... and you were criticizing my VMs getting some *hour* skew... sheesh) | 21:33 |
| vila | :-p | 21:34 |
| * vila refocus on the session :) | 21:34 | |
| fullermd | Hey, *I* know what time it is. 's not my fault my clients are getting ahead :P | 21:34 |
| kfogel | is there any documentation on tags in bzr? Google turns up pages about their existence, but http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/search.html?q=tags gives pretty thin results... | 21:34 |
| lifeless | kfogel: bzr help tag | 21:38 |
| spiv | Good morning. | 22:54 |
| igc | morning | 23:01 |
| lifeless | aloha | 23:05 |
| spiv | Hey wow, a bug report about TooManyConcurrentRequests that's actually due to bzr attempting to make concurrent requests on an HPSS connection. | 23:10 |
| Peng | ...Wow. | 23:18 |
| Peng | And I joked about that bug this morning. Whoops. | 23:19 |
| poolie1 | biab | 23:31 |
| poolie1 | hello jam, vila | 23:31 |
| * spiv boggles as a bug search for "hpss upgrade" fails to find a bug with tags of "hpss" and "upgrade" | 23:43 | |
| fullermd | jam: (btw, looking back at it, merge -r1..-1 would have been a really bad idea, since it's a cherry pick) | 23:43 |
| spiv | Or any bugs, in fact. | 23:43 |
| fullermd | Hey, cool, that means the hpss upgrade is perfect! | 23:43 |
| spiv | fullermd: 107173 disagrees :P | 23:44 |
| fullermd | Pfft. Who you wanna believe, 107173 or LP? | 23:44 |
| dOxxx | spiv: going through bzr merge proposals? | 23:49 |
| spiv | dOxxx: yup | 23:54 |
| dOxxx | must be a pile of work | 23:54 |
| spiv | Yeah, but we get bug fixes and other improvements out of it :) | 23:54 |
| spiv | Which is going to be work one way or another ;) | 23:55 |
| dOxxx | yep | 23:55 |
| poolie | hi spiv | 23:56 |
| poolie | spiv, it might be good to send a brief reply to the pilot thread just saying you're doing it and how it's going | 23:57 |
| spiv | Yeah, that's a good idea. Although I did just send a similar mail in reply to a related thread. | 23:59 |
| poolie | i saw | 23:59 |
| poolie | but people don't read all mail | 23:59 |
| poolie | sending _more_ mail is a questionable fix :-) but i think worthwhile here | 23:59 |
| spiv | :) | 23:59 |
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