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| highvoltage | this is quite funny: http://imagechan.com/img/7727/Multi%20Choice%20Test/ | 13:11 |
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| dtrask | Not much help on #ubuntu....asking here just in case anyone can help. My issue: Users and Groups has 3 users...student...teacher...and netbook (the admin user). I launch...unlock and proceed to change the "student" password. Everything appears to work....yet the student password never gets changed. Any ideas on what to look for? | 15:06 |
| dtrask | figured I'd ask | 15:06 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 15:11 |
| sbalneav | Where's student getting it's password from? Local box? Or ldap? | 15:12 |
| dtrask | yes...manually # sudo passd student....works, but the "user and groups" thing does not | 15:13 |
| dtrask | local | 15:13 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: local | 15:13 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: it's on the Open1to1 netbook | 15:13 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: this is hopefully my last bug before rc | 15:13 |
| sbalneav | ok, so, open up a term | 15:13 |
| dtrask | k | 15:13 |
| sbalneav | become root | 15:13 |
| dtrask | sudo or su | 15:13 |
| sbalneav | grep sudent /etc/shadow | 15:14 |
| sbalneav | should have an encrypted password, yes? | 15:14 |
| dtrask | yes | 15:14 |
| dtrask | long line of mixed characters | 15:15 |
| sbalneav | ok. so try changing the password | 15:15 |
| sbalneav | don't close the term | 15:15 |
| dtrask | Users and Groups goes through the motions, but when it comes time to test it by logging in as that user....the original password is not changed | 15:15 |
| dtrask | OK | 15:15 |
| dtrask | still open | 15:16 |
| sbalneav | k, do the grep again | 15:17 |
| dtrask | done | 15:17 |
| dtrask | oh...should I have done something in the meantime? | 15:17 |
| dtrask | ;-) | 15:17 |
| sbalneav | is the encrypted password the same? | 15:18 |
| dtrask | oh....I should have tried to change it....hang on | 15:18 |
| dtrask | yes....exactly the same | 15:19 |
| sbalneav | ok, so users-admin has a bug. | 15:19 |
| alkisg | dtrask: just run users-admin from the terminal, it tells you about the lines in /etc/passwd that it doesn't like. | 15:20 |
| sbalneav | either that, or you've mucked up the pam config. | 15:20 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: I had sabayon installed and then had to remove it due to the small screen....the nested session was simply too hard to work with....could that have done something? | 15:22 |
| sbalneav | I wouldn't think so. | 15:23 |
| sbalneav | what happens if you log in as a student, then go to preferences -> about me, and change the password there. | 15:23 |
| dtrask | I'm actually using kde password as the dialog for kids to change their passwords....and that works fine...the password sticks. | 15:24 |
| dtrask | The person who reported the issue to me is an admin who has a student who forgot their password...he tried to reset it for them, but it won't work....using the users-admin gui "Users and Groups" | 15:25 |
| dtrask | yes....the About me dialog also works | 15:27 |
| sbalneav | ok, so it's a bug with Users and Groups. | 15:29 |
| sbalneav | Which is hugely broken anyway. | 15:29 |
| dtrask | Everything works except gksudo users-admin aka Users and Groups | 15:30 |
| alkisg | Don't run it with gksudo | 15:30 |
| sbalneav | maybe that's you problem | 15:30 |
| alkisg | It uses policykit, just run it normally and click the unlock button | 15:30 |
| sbalneav | how are you starting it, from the menu? | 15:30 |
| sbalneav | or like what you're doing? | 15:30 |
| alkisg | I've seen the "users-admin not working" problem a lot of times, and it was always something it didn't like in my /etc/passwd. | 15:30 |
| alkisg | E.g. if you run "useradd" and provide a blank password, users-admin then doesn't work, exactly like you describe | 15:31 |
| alkisg | (i.e. it looks like it's working, but it doesn't update the passwd file) | 15:31 |
| alkisg | If you delete the user with the blank password, then it runs properly again | 15:32 |
| dtrask | thinking of ordinary users (admins)....any suggestions for a good way for them to reset student passwords...other than "sudo passwd username"? | 15:33 |
| dtrask | another gui? | 15:33 |
| sbalneav | dtrask: how are you starting users admin? | 15:33 |
| sbalneav | from the command line? | 15:33 |
| sbalneav | or via the icon in system->administration? | 15:34 |
| dtrask | no....actually from the icon....there is a button called "unlock" which I assume runs it as sudo or gksudo | 15:34 |
| dtrask | but I have also tried it via the command line using gksudo users-admin | 15:34 |
| sbalneav | So after you do the unlock, it still isnt working? | 15:34 |
| sbalneav | from the menu? | 15:34 |
| dtrask | correct | 15:34 |
| dtrask | not working | 15:34 |
| sbalneav | lets try it. | 15:34 |
| dtrask | either way | 15:35 |
| dtrask | try what | 15:35 |
| sbalneav | changing it through the menu | 15:35 |
| sbalneav | I'd like to see what log lines it spits out. | 15:35 |
| sbalneav | in .xsession-errors | 15:35 |
| dtrask | which log should I tail | 15:36 |
| dtrask | k | 15:36 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: it doesn't use a log file - it outputs the errors in stderr. It needs to be ran from a terminal to see the error output. | 15:36 |
| sbalneav | stderr should GO to .xsession-erros | 15:36 |
| sbalneav | in the users' home dir that's running the users-admin | 15:37 |
| alkisg | Hmmm I don't remember if I've looked at .xsession-errors, but I didn't have anything related in /var/log. OK. :) | 15:37 |
| dtrask | do you mean Xorg log? | 15:38 |
| dtrask | there's no .xsession log | 15:38 |
| sbalneav | in the users home dir | 15:39 |
| sbalneav | who's doing the change | 15:39 |
| sbalneav | there's a .xsession-errors file. | 15:39 |
| dtrask | doh! | 15:39 |
| dtrask | I wasn't where I was supposed to be | 15:39 |
| dtrask | where is the pastebin? | 15:40 |
| dtrask | how do I paste the output to you? | 15:40 |
| sbalneav | usual ubuntu pastebin | 15:41 |
| dtrask | never used it...or haven't in a long time....coach me? | 15:41 |
| dtrask | is it paste.ubuntu.com? | 15:42 |
| dtrask | I pasted it at paste.ubuntu.com | 15:44 |
| dtrask | as dtrask | 15:45 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: I don't see anything unusual, but maybe your trained eye will | 15:45 |
| dtrask | http://paste.ubuntu.com/320085 | 15:46 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320085 | 15:46 |
| dtrask | sorry | 15:46 |
| * dtrask suddenly remembers pastebot and pastebin and feels like a doofus | 15:47 | |
| sbalneav | yeah, I don't see anything unusual there myself. | 15:49 |
| dtrask | look at bug #463353 this may be me | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463353 in system-tools-backends "[users-admin] Modifying user has no effect" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463353 | 15:50 |
| dtrask | LOL | 15:50 |
| dtrask | ubottu: how do I get the fix? | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 15:50 |
| dtrask | LOLO | 15:50 |
| sbalneav | looks like it's in karmic-proposed | 15:51 |
| sbalneav | so enable that in software sources | 15:51 |
| sbalneav | the danger to that is, there's other stuff it will probably affect | 15:51 |
| sbalneav | so testing will be needed. | 15:51 |
| sbalneav | -proposed is for bugfixes that haven't been officially put into production yet. | 15:52 |
| jbicha | and if it works, leave a comment on the bug so hopefully they release it to the normal repositories sooner | 15:52 |
| dtrask | patch downloaded...now to test | 16:02 |
| dtrask | By George I think we've got it! | 16:04 |
| dtrask | I will let them know it works and that they should push it out soon | 16:04 |
| dtrask | this is a big fat hairy bug for schools and organizations of the like | 16:04 |
| dtrask | many thanks to you guys! | 16:04 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: | 16:04 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: thx man....you were a huge help | 16:05 |
| dtrask | sbalneav: at least got me pointed in the right direction | 16:05 |
| dtrask | alkisg: thx for your help | 16:05 |
| alkisg | dtrask: you're welcome, but you found the solution yourself... :) | 16:06 |
| dtrask | I enable "proposed"....apt-get install system-tools-backends....and then disabled "proposed" it's bug #463353 and it's kind of annoying in a school environment with 1 to 1 netbooks and a sysadmin trying to reset a kids password that they "forgot" | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 463353 in system-tools-backends "[users-admin] Modifying user has no effect" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/463353 | 16:07 |
| sbalneav | Man, I remember when all this hullabaloo about cups going to "pdf only" printing. | 16:08 |
| sbalneav | for ubuntu | 16:08 |
| sbalneav | it's utterly and completely fail. | 16:08 |
| dtrask | I remember that too....it wouldn't create the PDF directory...had to do it manually | 16:08 |
| dtrask | etc | 16:08 |
| dtrask | that was the bug in the last image I did | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | the *pdf filters do not honour ANY postscript printer directives | 16:09 |
| dtrask | seems to be one in every image....one "hard" one....most are easy | 16:09 |
| dtrask | oh that one | 16:09 |
| dtrask | yeah | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | So, so long as you want to print out to plain paper ONLY | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | you're fine. | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | Want an envelope? | 16:09 |
| dtrask | foget it | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | Letterhead? | 16:09 |
| dtrask | right? | 16:09 |
| dtrask | LOL | 16:09 |
| sbalneav | Multi-bin | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | You know, things you need in a business? | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | in the real world. | 16:10 |
| dtrask | yep | 16:10 |
| dtrask | has it been addressed? | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | You know, that mystical place where Rocket Man plans to make money from? | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | No | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | I'm fixing it. | 16:10 |
| sbalneav | again. | 16:10 |
| dtrask | ahh | 16:10 |
| dtrask | attaboy | 16:10 |
| dtrask | :-) | 16:10 |
| dtrask | why we love you | 16:11 |
| dtrask | :-) | 16:11 |
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| LaserJock | highvolt1ge: around? | 17:37 |
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| highvoltage | LaserJock: yep | 17:39 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: can we do something about http://edubuntu.org/help ? | 17:43 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: it either needs to get updated or made in such a way that it's not dependent on individual people | 17:43 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: for now I'll just remove all the people, someone should just contact edubuntu-devel for now | 17:44 |
| LaserJock | edubuntu-users or edubuntu-devel | 17:45 |
| sbalneav | I notice nixternal's got his name up there? | 17:47 |
| nixternal | ya, they asked me...I tried to say "hey, I haven't done much in a while" but that didn't fly with them | 17:48 |
| sbalneav | heh | 17:48 |
| sbalneav | good for you | 17:48 |
| LaserJock | hmmm, I wonder if I ...... | 17:49 |
| highvoltage | yes... !? | 17:49 |
| highvoltage | :p | 17:49 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: we accept your nomination | 17:49 |
| LaserJock | lol | 17:49 |
| LaserJock | no, no | 17:49 |
| highvoltage | Edubuntu: Takes no prisoners | 17:50 |
| LaserJock | I'm having a hard enough time as it is butting out of everything | 17:50 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: ouch, sounds ugly | 17:50 |
| LaserJock | everybody is doing a great job of replacing me | 17:50 |
| LaserJock | (not that it was hard) | 17:50 |
| LaserJock | but work is getting more demanding | 17:51 |
| LaserJock | and I've got lots of other things demanding my attention as well | 17:51 |
| sbalneav | Oh, the rockstar life you lead! | 17:55 |
| sbalneav | Shooting molecules with lasers | 17:55 |
| sbalneav | developing programs | 17:56 |
| highvoltage | with ill-tempered sharks | 17:56 |
| sbalneav | graphing graphs | 17:56 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: you left out the white coats | 17:56 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I've never really worn a lab coat | 18:29 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I'm too much of a physicist | 18:29 |
| LaserJock | we're more into pocket protectors and slide rules | 18:29 |
| highvoltage | :) | 18:38 |
| sbalneav | "If LTSP is to be viable" heh | 20:23 |
| sbalneav | That's the beauty of LTSP | 20:23 |
| sbalneav | I've never MADE a dime off of it | 20:23 |
| IulianISI | HI | 20:23 |
| sbalneav | I'm not MAKING any money off of it | 20:24 |
| IulianISI | I have a laptop DELL Inspiron 6400 with a ATI X1400 video card. | 20:24 |
| IulianISI | I've tried different approaches described on several forums but nothing is working properly. Now i have installed on my laptop the Radeon driver and i have some graphical acceleration but is working slow and the resolution is stucked at 1024x768. | 20:24 |
| IulianISI | I booted from the CD loads and everything worked fine and the ATI graphics acceleration worked really well. | 20:24 |
| IulianISI | How can i make it work like that on my installed version? | 20:24 |
| sbalneav | and I expect NEVER to make any money off of it :) | 20:24 |
| sbalneav | So I'll always be viable :) | 20:24 |
| sbalneav | IulianISI: Hmm, I think you have to go into the "restricted driver" manager and enable the propriatary drivers. | 20:25 |
| sbalneav | Since most ATI cards seem to want the commercial driver. | 20:25 |
| sbalneav | yeah, Systems -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers | 20:26 |
| IulianISI | it dose not work | 20:26 |
| sbalneav | Define "Does not work"? | 20:26 |
| sbalneav | Does it give you an error? | 20:27 |
| IulianISI | with propriatary drivers the acceleration is off | 20:27 |
| sbalneav | Ok, have you tried to turn it on? | 20:27 |
| IulianISI | how? | 20:28 |
| sbalneav | Well, I think there's a checkbox beside it, or something. I don't know for sure, as I don't have any propriataty drivers on my machine. | 20:29 |
| sbalneav | have you tried double-clicking on the driver line? | 20:29 |
| sbalneav | Which version of Edubuntu are you running> | 20:30 |
| sbalneav | ? | 20:30 |
| IulianISI | 9.10 | 20:30 |
| IulianISI | ubuntu 9.10 | 20:30 |
| sbalneav | So you're not running Edubuntu? | 20:31 |
| IulianISI | no | 20:31 |
| sbalneav | Well, #ubuntu might know better, but I'm pretty sure you enable the drivers in that application. | 20:32 |
| sbalneav | There's an "enable" button down at the bottom | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | did you highlight the driver and hit the "enable" button? | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | It's at the bottom right, above "Close" | 20:33 |
| sbalneav | IulianISI: You still with me there? | 20:34 |
| IulianISI | it doesn't appear in hardware drivers | 20:34 |
| sbalneav | Well, you said above: | 20:36 |
| sbalneav | with propriatary drivers the acceleration is off | 20:36 |
| sbalneav | so, IS there a driver listed there? Or not? | 20:36 |
| IulianISI | no | 20:36 |
| sbalneav | So it's completely blank? | 20:37 |
| sbalneav | No drivers listed at all in the "hardware drivers" application? | 20:37 |
| IulianISI | i think i've tried all of them | 20:37 |
| sbalneav | I'm confused | 20:37 |
| IulianISI | just the drivers for the wireless card | 20:37 |
| sbalneav | "I've tried all of them" means there ARE some there. | 20:37 |
| sbalneav | so there's drivers listed there for wireless, but not video, is that what you're saying? | 20:38 |
| IulianISI | i have tried : propriataty drivers, Radeon drivers | 20:39 |
| IulianISI | yes | 20:39 |
| IulianISI | ATi drivers | 20:39 |
| IulianISI | I mean a tried ATI drivers from ATI site | 20:40 |
| IulianISI | they cannot be installed on 9.10 | 20:40 |
| sbalneav | Here's what I want you to answer for me: "Are there any video drivers listed in the 'Hardware Drivers' application?" | 20:41 |
| IulianISI | no | 20:41 |
| sbalneav | ok | 20:41 |
| sbalneav | But you say when you boot the laptop from the CD, then there ARE drivers, yes? | 20:42 |
| IulianISI | to have some acceleration i uninstalled and then installed again the Xorg | 20:42 |
| IulianISI | no,there are no drivers but it works ok | 20:43 |
| IulianISI | if i do lspci -k on cd and on install ver is something like: | 20:44 |
| IulianISI | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400 | 20:44 |
| IulianISI | Kernel modules: radeon | 20:44 |
| sbalneav | ok, so it's detecting a radeon driver. | 20:45 |
| IulianISI | yes | 20:45 |
| sbalneav | you could try doing a sudo dpkg-reconfige xserver-xorg | 20:46 |
| sbalneav | sorry | 20:46 |
| sbalneav | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 20:46 |
| IulianISI | doesn't work | 20:46 |
| IulianISI | i do not have a Xorg.con file | 20:47 |
| sbalneav | Shouldn't matter | 20:48 |
| sbalneav | try doing both xserver-xorg | 20:48 |
| sbalneav | and xserver-xorg-core | 20:48 |
| sbalneav | Apart from that, I don't know. I gave up on ATI cards years ago as unusable. | 20:49 |
| sbalneav | There's just me here, and probably a lot more in just plain #ubuntu | 20:49 |
| IulianISI | tx verry much | 20:50 |
| sbalneav | NP, good luck | 20:51 |
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