[13:11] <highvoltage> this is quite funny: http://imagechan.com/img/7727/Multi%20Choice%20Test/
[15:06] <dtrask>  Not much help on #ubuntu....asking here just in case anyone can help.  My issue:  Users and Groups has 3 users...student...teacher...and netbook (the admin user).  I launch...unlock and proceed to change the "student" password.  Everything appears to work....yet the student password never gets changed.  Any ideas on what to look for?
[15:06] <dtrask> figured I'd ask
[15:11] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:12] <sbalneav> Where's student getting it's password from?  Local box? Or ldap?
[15:13] <dtrask> yes...manually # sudo passd student....works, but the "user and groups" thing does not
[15:13] <dtrask> local
[15:13] <dtrask> sbalneav: local
[15:13] <dtrask> sbalneav: it's on the Open1to1 netbook
[15:13] <dtrask> sbalneav: this is hopefully my last bug before rc
[15:13] <sbalneav> ok, so, open up a term
[15:13] <dtrask> k
[15:13] <sbalneav> become root
[15:13] <dtrask> sudo or su
[15:14] <sbalneav> grep sudent /etc/shadow
[15:14] <sbalneav> should have an encrypted password, yes?
[15:14] <dtrask> yes
[15:15] <dtrask> long line of mixed characters
[15:15] <sbalneav> ok. so try changing the password
[15:15] <sbalneav> don't close the term
[15:15] <dtrask> Users and Groups goes through the motions, but when it comes time to test it by logging in as that user....the original password is not changed
[15:15] <dtrask> OK
[15:16] <dtrask> still open
[15:17] <sbalneav> k, do the grep again
[15:17] <dtrask> done
[15:17] <dtrask> oh...should I have done something in the meantime?
[15:17] <dtrask> ;-)
[15:18] <sbalneav> is the encrypted password the same?
[15:18] <dtrask> oh....I should have tried to change it....hang on
[15:19] <dtrask> yes....exactly the same
[15:19] <sbalneav> ok, so users-admin has a bug.
[15:20] <alkisg> dtrask: just run users-admin from the terminal, it tells you about the lines in /etc/passwd that it doesn't like.
[15:20] <sbalneav> either that, or you've mucked up the pam config.
[15:22] <dtrask> sbalneav: I had sabayon installed and then had to remove it due to the small screen....the nested session was simply too hard to work with....could that have done something?
[15:23] <sbalneav> I wouldn't think so.
[15:23] <sbalneav> what happens if you log in as a student, then go to preferences -> about me, and change the password there.
[15:24] <dtrask> I'm actually using kde password as the dialog for kids to change their passwords....and that works fine...the password sticks.
[15:25] <dtrask> The person who reported the issue to me is an admin who has a student who forgot their password...he tried to reset it for them, but it won't work....using the users-admin gui "Users and Groups"
[15:27] <dtrask> yes....the About me dialog also works
[15:29] <sbalneav> ok, so it's a bug with Users and Groups.
[15:29] <sbalneav> Which is hugely broken anyway.
[15:30] <dtrask> Everything works except   gksudo users-admin  aka Users and Groups
[15:30] <alkisg> Don't run it with gksudo
[15:30] <sbalneav> maybe that's you problem
[15:30] <alkisg> It uses policykit, just run it normally and click the unlock button
[15:30] <sbalneav> how are you starting it, from the menu?
[15:30] <sbalneav> or like what you're doing?
[15:30] <alkisg> I've seen the "users-admin not working" problem a lot of times, and it was always something it didn't like in my /etc/passwd.
[15:31] <alkisg> E.g. if you run "useradd" and provide a blank password, users-admin then doesn't work, exactly like you describe
[15:31] <alkisg> (i.e. it looks like it's working, but it doesn't update the passwd file)
[15:32] <alkisg> If you delete the user with the blank password, then it runs properly again
[15:33] <dtrask> thinking of ordinary users (admins)....any suggestions for a good way for them to reset student passwords...other than "sudo passwd username"?
[15:33] <dtrask> another gui?
[15:33] <sbalneav> dtrask: how are you starting users admin?
[15:33] <sbalneav> from the command line?
[15:34] <sbalneav> or via the icon in system->administration?
[15:34] <dtrask> no....actually from the icon....there is a button called "unlock" which I assume runs it as sudo or gksudo
[15:34] <dtrask> but I have also tried it via the command line using gksudo users-admin
[15:34] <sbalneav> So after you do the unlock, it still isnt working?
[15:34] <sbalneav> from the menu?
[15:34] <dtrask> correct
[15:34] <dtrask> not working
[15:34] <sbalneav> lets try it.
[15:35] <dtrask> either way
[15:35] <dtrask> try what
[15:35] <sbalneav> changing it through the menu
[15:35] <sbalneav> I'd like to see what log lines it spits out.
[15:35] <sbalneav> in .xsession-errors
[15:36] <dtrask> which log should I tail
[15:36] <dtrask> k
[15:36] <alkisg> sbalneav: it doesn't use a log file - it outputs the errors in stderr. It needs to be ran from a terminal to see the error output.
[15:36] <sbalneav> stderr should GO to .xsession-erros
[15:37] <sbalneav> in the users' home dir that's running the users-admin
[15:37] <alkisg> Hmmm I don't remember if I've looked at .xsession-errors, but I didn't have anything related in /var/log. OK. :)
[15:38] <dtrask> do you mean Xorg log?
[15:38] <dtrask> there's no .xsession log
[15:39] <sbalneav> in the users home dir
[15:39] <sbalneav> who's doing the change
[15:39] <sbalneav> there's a .xsession-errors file.
[15:39] <dtrask> doh!
[15:39] <dtrask> I wasn't where I was supposed to be
[15:40] <dtrask> where is the pastebin?
[15:40] <dtrask> how do I paste the output to you?
[15:41] <sbalneav> usual ubuntu pastebin
[15:41] <dtrask> never used it...or haven't in a long time....coach me?
[15:42] <dtrask> is it paste.ubuntu.com?
[15:44] <dtrask> I pasted it at paste.ubuntu.com
[15:45] <dtrask> as dtrask
[15:45] <dtrask> sbalneav: I don't see anything unusual, but maybe your trained eye will
[15:46] <dtrask> http://paste.ubuntu.com/320085
[15:46] <dtrask> sbalneav: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320085
[15:46] <dtrask> sorry
[15:47]  * dtrask suddenly remembers pastebot and pastebin and feels like a doofus
[15:49] <sbalneav> yeah, I don't see anything unusual there myself.
[15:50] <dtrask> look at bug #463353   this may be me
[15:50] <dtrask> LOL
[15:50] <dtrask> ubottu: how do I get the fix?
[15:50] <dtrask> LOLO
[15:51] <sbalneav> looks like it's in karmic-proposed
[15:51] <sbalneav> so enable that in software sources
[15:51] <sbalneav> the danger to that is, there's other stuff it will probably affect
[15:51] <sbalneav> so testing will be needed.
[15:52] <sbalneav> -proposed is for bugfixes that haven't been officially put into production yet.
[15:52] <jbicha> and if it works, leave a comment on the bug so hopefully they release it to the normal repositories sooner
[16:02] <dtrask> patch downloaded...now to test
[16:04] <dtrask> By George I think we've got it!
[16:04] <dtrask> I will let them know it works and that they should push it out soon
[16:04] <dtrask> this is a big fat hairy bug for schools and organizations of the like
[16:04] <dtrask> many thanks to you guys!
[16:04] <dtrask> sbalneav:
[16:05] <dtrask> sbalneav: thx man....you were a huge help
[16:05] <dtrask> sbalneav: at least got me pointed in the right direction
[16:05] <dtrask> alkisg: thx for your help
[16:06] <alkisg> dtrask: you're welcome, but you found the solution yourself... :)
[16:07] <dtrask> I enable "proposed"....apt-get install system-tools-backends....and then disabled "proposed"   it's bug #463353  and it's kind of annoying in a school environment with 1 to 1 netbooks and a sysadmin trying to reset a kids password that they "forgot"
[16:08] <sbalneav> Man, I remember when all this hullabaloo about cups going to "pdf only" printing.
[16:08] <sbalneav> for ubuntu
[16:08] <sbalneav> it's utterly and completely fail.
[16:08] <dtrask> I remember that too....it wouldn't create the PDF directory...had to do it manually
[16:08] <dtrask> etc
[16:09] <dtrask> that was the bug in the last image I did
[16:09] <sbalneav> the *pdf filters do not honour ANY postscript printer directives
[16:09] <dtrask> seems to be one in every image....one "hard" one....most are easy
[16:09] <dtrask> oh that one
[16:09] <dtrask> yeah
[16:09] <sbalneav> So, so long as you want to print out to plain paper ONLY
[16:09] <sbalneav> you're fine.
[16:09] <sbalneav> Want an envelope?
[16:09] <dtrask> foget it
[16:09] <sbalneav> Letterhead?
[16:09] <dtrask> right?
[16:09] <dtrask> LOL
[16:10] <sbalneav> Multi-bin
[16:10] <sbalneav> You know, things you need in a business?
[16:10] <sbalneav> in the real world.
[16:10] <dtrask> yep
[16:10] <dtrask> has it been addressed?
[16:10] <sbalneav> You know, that mystical place where Rocket Man plans to make money from?
[16:10] <sbalneav> No
[16:10] <sbalneav> I'm fixing it.
[16:10] <sbalneav> again.
[16:10] <dtrask> ahh
[16:10] <dtrask> attaboy
[16:10] <dtrask> :-)
[16:11] <dtrask> why we love you
[16:11] <dtrask> :-)
[17:37] <LaserJock> highvolt1ge: around?
[17:39] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep
[17:43] <LaserJock> highvoltage: can we do something about http://edubuntu.org/help ?
[17:43] <LaserJock> highvoltage: it either needs to get updated or made in such a way that it's not dependent on individual people
[17:44] <highvoltage> LaserJock: for now I'll just remove all the people, someone should just contact edubuntu-devel for now
[17:45] <LaserJock> edubuntu-users or edubuntu-devel
[17:47] <sbalneav> I notice nixternal's got his name up there?
[17:48] <nixternal> ya, they asked me...I tried to say "hey, I haven't done much in a while" but that didn't fly with them
[17:48] <sbalneav> heh
[17:48] <sbalneav> good for you
[17:49] <LaserJock> hmmm, I wonder if I ......
[17:49] <highvoltage> yes... !?
[17:49] <highvoltage> :p
[17:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: we accept your nomination
[17:49] <LaserJock> lol
[17:49] <LaserJock> no, no
[17:50] <highvoltage> Edubuntu: Takes no prisoners
[17:50] <LaserJock> I'm having a hard enough time as it is butting out of everything
[17:50] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ouch, sounds ugly
[17:50] <LaserJock> everybody is doing a great job of replacing me
[17:50] <LaserJock> (not that it was hard)
[17:51] <LaserJock> but work is getting more demanding
[17:51] <LaserJock> and I've got lots of other things demanding my attention as well
[17:55] <sbalneav> Oh, the rockstar life you lead!
[17:55] <sbalneav> Shooting molecules with lasers
[17:56] <sbalneav> developing programs
[17:56] <highvoltage> with ill-tempered sharks
[17:56] <sbalneav> graphing graphs
[17:56] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you left out the white coats
[18:29] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I've never really worn a lab coat
[18:29] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I'm too much of a physicist
[18:29] <LaserJock> we're more into pocket protectors and slide rules
[18:38] <highvoltage> :)
[20:23] <sbalneav> "If LTSP is to be viable" heh
[20:23] <sbalneav> That's the beauty of LTSP
[20:23] <sbalneav> I've never MADE a dime off of it
[20:23] <IulianISI> HI
[20:24] <sbalneav> I'm not MAKING any money off of it
[20:24] <IulianISI> I have a laptop DELL Inspiron 6400 with a ATI X1400 video card.
[20:24] <IulianISI> I've tried different approaches described on several forums but nothing is working properly. Now i have installed on my laptop the Radeon driver and i have some graphical acceleration but is working slow and the resolution is stucked at 1024x768.
[20:24] <IulianISI> I booted from the CD loads and everything worked fine and the ATI graphics acceleration worked really well.
[20:24] <IulianISI> How can i make it work like that on my installed version?
[20:24] <sbalneav> and I expect NEVER to make any money off of it :)
[20:24] <sbalneav> So I'll always be viable :)
[20:25] <sbalneav> IulianISI: Hmm, I think you have to go into the "restricted driver" manager and enable the propriatary drivers.
[20:25] <sbalneav> Since most ATI cards seem to want the commercial driver.
[20:26] <sbalneav> yeah, Systems -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers
[20:26] <IulianISI> it dose not work
[20:26] <sbalneav> Define "Does not work"?
[20:27] <sbalneav> Does it give you an error?
[20:27] <IulianISI> with propriatary drivers the acceleration is off
[20:27] <sbalneav> Ok, have you tried to turn it on?
[20:28] <IulianISI> how?
[20:29] <sbalneav> Well, I think there's a checkbox beside it, or something.  I don't know for sure, as I don't have any propriataty drivers on my machine.
[20:29] <sbalneav> have you tried double-clicking on the driver line?
[20:30] <sbalneav> Which version of Edubuntu are you running>
[20:30] <sbalneav> ?
[20:30] <IulianISI> 9.10
[20:30] <IulianISI> ubuntu 9.10
[20:31] <sbalneav> So you're not running Edubuntu?
[20:31] <IulianISI> no
[20:32] <sbalneav> Well, #ubuntu might know better, but I'm pretty sure you enable the drivers in that application.
[20:33] <sbalneav> There's an "enable" button down at the bottom
[20:33] <sbalneav> did you highlight the driver and hit the "enable" button?
[20:33] <sbalneav> It's at the bottom right, above "Close"
[20:34] <sbalneav> IulianISI: You still with me there?
[20:34] <IulianISI> it doesn't appear in hardware drivers
[20:36] <sbalneav> Well, you said above:
[20:36] <sbalneav> with propriatary drivers the acceleration is off
[20:36] <sbalneav> so, IS there a driver listed there? Or not?
[20:36] <IulianISI> no
[20:37] <sbalneav> So it's completely blank?
[20:37] <sbalneav> No drivers listed at all in the "hardware drivers" application?
[20:37] <IulianISI> i think i've tried all of them
[20:37] <sbalneav> I'm confused
[20:37] <IulianISI> just the drivers for the wireless card
[20:37] <sbalneav> "I've tried all of them" means there ARE some there.
[20:38] <sbalneav> so there's drivers listed there for wireless, but not video, is that what you're saying?
[20:39] <IulianISI> i have tried : propriataty drivers, Radeon drivers
[20:39] <IulianISI> yes
[20:39] <IulianISI> ATi drivers
[20:40] <IulianISI> I mean a tried ATI drivers from ATI site
[20:40] <IulianISI> they cannot be installed on 9.10
[20:41] <sbalneav> Here's what I want you to answer for me: "Are there any video drivers listed in the 'Hardware Drivers' application?"
[20:41] <IulianISI> no
[20:41] <sbalneav> ok
[20:42] <sbalneav> But you say when you boot the laptop from the CD, then there ARE drivers, yes?
[20:42] <IulianISI> to have some acceleration i uninstalled and then installed again the Xorg
[20:43] <IulianISI> no,there are no drivers but it works ok
[20:44] <IulianISI> if i do lspci -k on cd and on install ver is something like:
[20:44] <IulianISI> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400
[20:44] <IulianISI> 	Kernel modules: radeon
[20:45] <sbalneav> ok, so it's detecting a radeon driver.
[20:45] <IulianISI> yes
[20:46] <sbalneav> you could try doing a sudo dpkg-reconfige xserver-xorg
[20:46] <sbalneav> sorry
[20:46] <sbalneav> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:46] <IulianISI> doesn't work
[20:47] <IulianISI> i do not have a Xorg.con file
[20:48] <sbalneav> Shouldn't matter
[20:48] <sbalneav> try doing both xserver-xorg
[20:48] <sbalneav> and xserver-xorg-core
[20:49] <sbalneav> Apart from that, I don't know.  I gave up on ATI cards years ago as unusable.
[20:49] <sbalneav> There's just me here, and probably a lot more in just plain #ubuntu
[20:50] <IulianISI> tx verry much
[20:51] <sbalneav> NP, good luck