=== jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [01:51] After the Karmic upgrade I now get a "critical" bug as described in: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8323583#post8323583 [01:51] Any help? [01:56] phenom: do you have the same hardware? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [01:57] micahg, no [01:58] so, when you switch to tty1, you get the flashing cursors? [01:58] Let me ssh in to it, and grab specs [01:58] yes micahg [02:00] It's not a cursor. But an underline char. [02:00] And as described,, when I type I can see the chars I type "only" throughout the screen in the wierd pattern. [02:00] weird* even [02:02] Hello, want to report a bug in ubuntu 9.10 [02:02] :/ I can't ssh in to it. [02:03] Computer: toshiba p500 [02:03] Problem: when installing WiFI driver, computer after a while shutdown without any error message [02:04] Driver taken from here http://forum.novatech.co.uk/showthread.php?t=15068 [02:04] The computer just turn off, when uninstall driver, it comes to normally [02:08] phenom: I'd say file a bug [02:08] brb [02:17] phenom: I'd say file against linux, ubuntu-bug linux === micahg1 is now known as micahg [02:33] micahg, I just did [02:33] It would take me a full day to file bug reports on all the problems I've had after the upgrade. [02:33] This is very frustrating. [02:34] I just noticed if I hold keys like say backspace it won;t autoscroll. I have to keep hitting backspace. [02:38] phenom: we can't fix them if we don't know about them [02:40] micahg, I understand. But I fear a complete reinstall of Hardy or Debian Lenny is in order in my case. [02:40] ok, but you might want to submit the bugs before that so that they get fixed for lucid [02:41] the more reports we get now, the better we can make lucid [02:41] lucid is going to be an LTS [02:41] Yea,, I think the focus needs to be on stability. [02:42] I've had more and more problems since Fiesty. [02:42] that's one of the main goals and we're doing a few things to enhance that [02:42] sync from debian testing, longer beta cycle [02:43] if you have time, we can always use help [02:45] I hope you'll patch 100 papercuts again if you haven't come up with something even better [02:46] have we managed to close all 100 paper cuts btw? [02:47] kklimonda: there are currently 461 bugs open in that project [02:47] micahg: but a 100 was milestoned for 9.10 [02:48] kklimonda: you can see on the bottom right the status: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/ [02:49] Yea. The whole philosophy of "Just works" and "Quick release dates" begs for issues. [02:49] I'll try to file more reports. [02:49] phenom: thanks [02:50] phenom: more time would equal either older software or more bugs [02:50] But problem is, I have found reports filed a long time back for problems I've had, with no fix. [02:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/483366 is a usability/feature request i believe [02:50] Launchpad bug 483366 in sudo "[Enh] Tell users when opening terminal for the first time about sudo password input" [Undecided,New] [02:50] how to modify? [02:50] nick darizzle [02:50] name darizzle [02:50] phenom: bring them up in here during the day [02:50] !name darizzle [02:50] Factoid 'name darizzle' not found [02:50] Like, an annoying system beep when I shut down. [02:50] how do i change my name [02:50] i forgot irc command [02:50] darizzle1: /nick USERNAME [02:51] That has happened on 2 ubuntu systems since the Jaunty upgrade. === darizzle1 is now known as darizzle [02:51] darizzle1: as for wishlist, you mention it in here and someone from bug-control takes care of it [02:51] thx [02:51] micahg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/483366 [02:51] Launchpad bug 483366 in sudo "[Enh] Tell users when opening terminal for the first time about sudo password input" [Undecided,New] [02:51] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1130024.html [02:52] the system beep at shutdown was fixed for me in karmic [02:52] I get a series of annoying system beeps when I shut down etc [02:52] used to do it in jaunty [02:53] ahh. [02:53] darizzle: that's most likely a won't fix, but I'll wishlist it [02:54] I noticed that under System tab on the top toolbar, I have no icons. Like the lil life raft for help and support etc. But they are there for the other tabs, applications/places etc. [02:55] darizzle: done [02:56] yea its like standard unix behavior [02:56] i didn't log it [02:57] phenom: bug 407621 [02:57] Launchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "(design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407621 [03:05] under what package does freeze during boot get logged under? [03:05] ahh haa micahg, that fixed me up. [03:05] nigel_nb: what part of boot [03:05] bug 483338 [03:06] Launchpad bug 483338 in ubuntu-docs "slow boot, 9.5 minutes, of 9.10 upgrade from 9.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483338 [03:07] micahg: I'm not really sure what part either. [03:08] nigel_nb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUsplash [03:09] phenom: great [03:10] micahg: the user filed under ubuntu-docs, which is wrong. Is usplash the right backage? [03:10] nigel_nb: won't know until it's tested per the wiki [03:11] ah okay, so I'll leave the package alone and follow the stock response [03:13] nigel_nb: I would suggest removing the package so the docs people don;'t get extra bugmail [03:14] micahg: done :) [03:14] can you make sense of this? bug 483337 [03:14] Launchpad bug 483337 in gcalctool "a calculus resulting in a very large number in sci mode, makes the first digit (most significant) unreadable. Try 52! " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483337 [03:14] there's not much added [03:15] Ok how about this one heh: Problem fullsizing flash videos from youtube and the like. I've had issues on one flash bug fixed by: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/346289.. But that fix actually freezes firefox completely when I fullscreen a flash app. [03:15] Launchpad bug 346289 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Choppy Flash playback in full screen." [Undecided,Fix released] [03:15] nigel_nb: do you know what 52! is? [03:15] aw! [03:15] how could i miss it [03:15] :( [03:15] :) [03:15] the calculus threw me off [03:16] how is that related to calculus in anyway [03:17] I don't think it's calculus as is the specialty, but rather just a calculation in general [03:17] I can confirm that [03:17] attaching a screenshot for clairty [03:18] phenom: do you have an intel carD? [03:20] Hi, using Ubuntu 9.10 on a Thinkpad T61 with ath5k. When connected to a AP and pinging it every second; I noticed that *every* 120, the ping time jumps to ~8 sec and takes around 5 seconds to recover. Is this a known issue? [03:21] nabcore: yes, do you have linux-backports-modules-wireless-karmic-generic installed? [03:21] no [03:21] I was looking at doing that [03:22] Has that got a newer compat-wireless stack? [03:22] micahg, Yes [03:26] micahg; I'm going to follow your advice on that one. Thanks again for the hint. [03:32] phenom: my flash is fine with the new intel drivers [03:33] Have a link handy? Where to get them maybe? [03:33] phenom: they came with karmic [03:33] phenom: are you using the Adobe flash? [03:34] micahg, Yes [03:35] phenom: what chipset? [03:38] http://pastebin.com/d33ff3023 [03:40] phenom: could it be bug 451146? [03:40] Launchpad bug 451146 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945gm] Adobe flashplayer crashes on GPU enabled SWF files" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/451146 [03:43] micahg, I will check it out later. I have to get some sleep. Or roll around trying to for a good 6 or so hours. [03:43] Thanks for your help, I'll give it a go tomorrow. [03:44] micahg: I can reproduce bug 483335 on my system [03:44] Launchpad bug 483335 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox 0.12.5 cannot start playback of Last.fm after pausing " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483335 [03:44] but I'm not sure there is enough info [03:44] can u take a look? [03:48] nigel_nb: idk [03:48] you're not sure either? [03:49] hggdh: are you around? [03:52] you know, I turn my back for just a couple of hours... and the whole place just goes to .... [03:52] :-P [03:52] WeatherGod: what's the problem? [03:53] no problem... just it was such a quiet day, and then I walk away for dinner and such, and this place gets busy [03:54] WeatherGod: hehe [03:54] missed all the fun [03:54] you are truly WeatherGod then :P [03:55] you mean the fact that I am batsh*t crazy for heading towards things most people run away from... [03:55] yes [03:55] no [03:55] i mean that when u move away, the storm starts :D [03:55] haha! [03:57] isn't apport-collect BUGNUMBER the way to add info to bugs? [03:57] nigel_nb: selectively, yes, if there's a hook [03:58] yeah, and you can specify a hook to add more info than the original report did [03:58] okay, whats a hook [03:58] example.... [03:58] oh a package [03:58] apport-collect -p devicekit-disks [03:58] apport-collect -p udev [03:59] got it :) [03:59] WeatherGod: only if it's for a different package [03:59] right [03:59] nigel_nb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport#Per-package%20Apport%20Hooks [04:00] yeah, but that list needs updating [04:00] major updating [04:00] thanks micahg [04:01] btw, right now, do i have to give the specific hook? [04:01] nigel_nb: only if you're collecting from a different package [04:01] the bug is filed under software-center, but not through ubuntu-bug [04:01] so basically, there is no info attached [04:02] ah, apport-collect BUGNUMBER should be fine then :) [04:02] :) [04:08] micahg: shall I ask for an apport-collect on that rhythmbox bug? [04:09] nigel_nb: no, user stated versions alreaady [04:09] but the plugins? [04:10] nigel_nb: no hooks for rhythmbox [04:10] aw :( [04:10] oh [04:10] hold on [04:10] I thoguht I had it installed [04:10] 1 sec [04:11] nope, no hook [04:12] I checked... [04:12] micahg; Your advice has worked with ref to the ath5k issue I reported earlier, thank you. [04:12] there is totem, but no rhythmbox [04:12] nabcore: you're welcome [04:12] can i confirm that one? since I can reproduce it? [04:13] nigel_nb: sure [04:20] micahg; is the fix to that issue I reported essentially some kind of tweak present in the backport's mac80211 ? [04:20] nabcore: the backports have a newer version of compat-wireless [04:20] Bug #483230 is kinda funny, user logged a bug to say that there is no system documentation, but its available on forum [04:20] Launchpad bug 483230 in virtkey "No documentation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483230 [04:21] any suggestions as to what to do with it? [04:21] it falls into a question, like "how do I add documentation to..." [04:21] nigel_nb: feature request [04:22] micahg: oh [04:22] is it easy to add documentation to something like that? [04:22] nigel_nb: idk [04:22] k [04:22] micahg; ok... silly question, but logical follow on; why was the newer version of compat-wireless not shipped with karmic? [04:24] nabcore: wasn't available in time [04:26] ah ok... all makes sense [04:41] micahg: thanks..didn't know you were omnipotent ;) [04:41] nigel_nb: that bug you were looking at, the user was looking at python docs, not man pages [04:42] nigel_nb: not omnipotent, just multi-channeled :) [04:42] micahg: ah, anyway, mailed the maintainer of the package [04:42] let him handle it [04:42] nigel_nb: not the way to do it... [04:42] oops [04:43] what was I supposed to do? [04:43] there was no upstream bug tracker [04:43] use LP :) [04:43] oh, I mailed him through LP [04:43] nigel_nb: what was the bug # again? [04:44] bug 483230 [04:44] Launchpad bug 483230 in virtkey "No documentation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483230 [04:44] updating hold on [04:44] nigel_nb: there's a team that maintains it [04:44] there is? [04:44] nigel_nb: if there was enough info, then wishlist -> triaged would be best [04:45] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtkey [04:45] but they dont use launchpad for bugs [04:45] tried to add them [04:45] nigel_nb: you don't add anyone unless requested to [04:45] the UBuntu Pythoneers see all busg for the package [04:45] ah [04:46] so once it's set to triaged, they can decide whether or not to do something [04:46] now they got added [04:46] earlier they were not there.. [04:47] micahg: u'd have to change it for me [04:48] I'd be happy to :) [04:48] :) [04:48] thanks :) [04:49] nigel_nb: done :) [04:49] thank you :) [04:49] micahg: you're part of motu team too? [04:50] nigel_nb: no, I jsut answer what questions I can [04:50] oh okay :) [06:04] i see the bug still not fixed [06:06] erikk71usa: which bug? [06:07] on start up intel onboard video the screens goes black an sits there [06:08] what if you move yuor mouse? [06:08] your* [06:08] nothing [06:13] oh well [06:13] I doubt this has anything to do with intel onboard video? (except maybe if it's very old or needs the poulsbo driver?) [06:14] 9.04 works fine [06:14] its something about 9.10 [06:14] JanC, darizzle : I think erikk71usa is suffering from the "blank screen" bug detailed by many ppl, and he needs to turn off KMS as shown here http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/11/are-your-graphics-dead-in-ubun.html [06:14] is there an LP bug for it? [06:16] I never heard about that bug, but trying the boot option won't hurt I guess [06:16] if u can figure out how to run it [06:17] eh [06:17] erikk71usa, the link tells you what to do. [06:17] &@#*!&!*@*@&@& [06:17] well, and you can do it during boot in grub [06:17] or with the live-cd [06:18] he left [06:18] I know [06:18] is why I said "eh" ;) [06:18] lol ok, wasn't sure why you sent the message after that then [06:19] for whomever else was reading this (now or in the logs) ;) [06:19] hehe ok [06:20] AFAIK that should only be needed with someolder intel graphics? [06:20] where KMS doesn't always work [06:22] why is it by default Nautilus asks for password to mount a partition, yet if you run K3B (same user) you can mount the same partition through browsing for an iso to burn. [06:22] same with unmounting [06:24] K3B was running under my user same as Nautilus so no elivated privilages [06:25] deadABuser: maybe because you already entered your password? [06:26] nope. I try mounting in Nautlius and it asks for pas and I canceled that then tried in K3B .. [06:26] JanC, Yeah, I dunno. He said he had intel graphics, but wasn't helpful when I asked for the chipset, or when people gave him the lspci command (this was in #ubuntu) [06:26] deadABuser: maybe file a bug for k3b [06:27] jbuncher: I only had this on an interrupted upgrade, but that one was really fucked up ;) [06:27] !coc > JanC [06:27] JanC, please see my private message [06:28] f bomb [06:28] micahg: ??? [06:28] JanC, luckily my upgrade on the intel 945 chipset went well, no issues [06:28] language :) [06:29] what does ubotu say to !coc ? [06:29] should show the code of conduct [06:29] !coc [06:29] The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [06:29] aha [06:29] couldn't think of what it stood for. [06:29] micahg: can do the same thing in kmplot. myst be some difference between KDE and GNOME? [06:30] maybe [06:30] micahg: eh, I doubt that's really problematic language (the derived meaning having no direct connection with the word it was derived from anymore) [06:31] but whatever :P [06:32] jbuncher: the only reason I had a problem is that I forgot it was upgrading while I had to cut the power ;) [06:33] and a power-off halfway an upgrade between distro versions is not recomded, I suppose ;-) [06:33] JanC, lol that will usually introduce issues === _m4rtin is now known as m4rtin [09:49] hi there, can anyone give me a hint on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/net-snmp/+bug/426813 which might be solved in karmic but there seems no patch for the LTS Server Version [09:49] Launchpad bug 426813 in net-snmp "snmpd dies after requests with snmpwalk" [Medium,Fix released] [09:52] johe|work: please see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [09:52] you can nominate a bug for release as well [09:58] micahg, thx [09:58] Hi, I'm looking through the expirable bugs, I'd be grateful for some pointers on bug 105222 - the "ubuntu policy..." remark makes me wonder if it's a Won't Fix? [09:58] Launchpad bug 105222 in nqc "Please add udev rules for legousbtower" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105222 [09:59] I'm new so can't set that status, but I'd like to know if my reasoning is right. And if it's wrong, what the correct thing to do would have been :) [10:01] etali: no, it's not won't fix, it was originally in the udev package [10:02] he was saying teh fixes needed to be in the package with the weird requirements [10:03] Ahh, ok, thanks. I didn't notice it has been moved there. [10:55] i did a bug report some weeks ago, about a multiscreen problem and ubuntu, but it is like nobody read it. did i something wron with the report? bug #469475 [10:55] Launchpad bug 469475 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "3 Screens with 2 NVIDIA graphics cards and Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/469475 === asac_ is now known as asac [12:42] hi, for some nvidia(only?) users, all default video players are unusable - they play with wrong colors (wrong hue). Set bug severity to Low? There is a work around (use mplayer -vo gl2) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/472117 [12:42] Launchpad bug 472117 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Invalid hue on video (video only, OpenGL is ok) on nvidia - ubuntu 9.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:03] LimCore: why are you telling us this, the bug is already logged [13:03] because it is undecided? [13:04] LimCore: so ? [13:05] LimCore: you're just repeating a bug that's already logged [13:05] what value does that add [13:05] so how to get it marked as given priority? [13:05] put a note in the bug, ask someone to give it a priority, just repeating it blindly adds no value [13:06] so I am doing the "ask someone to give it a priority" thing, isn't this a place? then where? [13:06] then "ask" [13:06] just saying a bug is pointless, say what you want [13:07] I already written - Set bug severity to Low? [13:07] but if this makes any difference [13:07] ikonia: please set priority of this bug [13:07] to Low, I guess [13:07] LimCore: I can't, it's nothing to do with me, I'm just asking you try to communicate a little better or clearly, explain what you want and why so people don't have to ask this sort of question [13:08] btw, does it help a lot to speedup fixing of bug, to have it market as proper priority (even it is just Low)? [13:09] I think so [13:09] (from a personal view point) === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ [15:13] bcurtiswx_, you still having trouble with your wireless card? [15:22] Boo [15:23] nobody here but us bots [15:23] :-P [15:45] Hi, please set bug priority to Medium - crash for NVidia users from time to time (possible data loss etc - entire X session dies at least) - no known workaround - bug#479031 [15:49] LimCore: data loss ? [15:54] I would imagine that if you had something running like Office or something like that, there would be a chance for data loss [15:54] although OpenOffice is pretty good about recovery [15:55] ikonia: programs die when X session dies [15:56] not all have recovery like OOo and FFox [16:04] I'm looking at bug 220992 - I was thinking of closing the report since it's no longer an issue, but what do you say to someone who is annoyed about not getting feedback on bugs? [16:04] Launchpad bug 220992 in thunderbird "Message filter ignoring front of Subject line" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220992 [16:05] I'm thinking of suggesting that he report bugs with big packages like Thunderbird directly to the developer, rather than through launchpad, but I'm worried that sounds like a fob off. [16:08] etali, oy... I really don't know if that was even a bug in the first place [16:10] Thanks, either way, I think it needs closed as Invalid? Just closing a bug nearly a year after a rant about being ignored seems like a bad thing to do. [16:10] I know, it does seem bad... [16:10] I thought there may be some guidelines as to what to say... "We value your reports, but we're a team of volunteers dealing with hundreds of bug reports per day....." [16:10] nah [16:11] I would go with that it wasn't a bug [16:11] I would certainly expect my filters to work that way [16:12] and giving excuses doesn't sound very good anyway [16:12] I've just re-read the report and unless I've mis-read it, the behaviour he expects is the behaviour I get from Thunderbird on Windows. [16:13] is it? That would be odd that they act differently [16:13] I filter messages that have [ubuntu-uk] in the subject line to an Ubuntu folder, for example. [16:13] Any mail without that (and that doesn't match other filters) just gets dumped into the inbox. [16:14] Have I misunderstood his report? It sounds like what's happening for him is ALL mail was going to his filter folder? [16:14] so, emails with "Re: [ubuntu-uk] ..." doesn't get filtered? [16:15] no, he is saying that the replies were also going to the filter folder [16:15] On Windows there's separate rules - e.g. Contains would filter all of them, and 'Begins With' would ignore the ones that say Re: [16:15] and he didn't want that because the subject line did not *start* with the particular string [16:16] ah, well, then maybe he had conversation threading on? [16:16] does TB have that? [16:16] Yes, but it's rather unpredictable - that could be it. [16:17] At least assuming the Linux version works the same way. I don't actually like TB that much - just it's the best client I've found for Windows so far :) [16:17] well, I guess closing out the report with some possibilities is better than closing it out with excuses [16:17] heh, that's for sure [16:19] Thanks! I'll make that suggestion then. [16:20] np, glad to act as a sounding board [16:24] oooh, here is a bug report to watch for flame wars: bug 483502 [16:24] Launchpad bug 483502 in ubuntu "Swap in Gnote and swap out Tomboy from 10.04 LTS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483502 [16:26] actually on of arguemrnts (about size) is pretty good [16:27] arguments* argh [16:27] oh, I agree... I just know this will be a fun one to watch [16:27] on the other hand it seems to be pulling new dependencies [16:27] the problem is that last time I checked, gnome desktop includes tomboy as a dependency [16:28] so I'd say that they are similar in size after all [16:28] tomboy or gnote? [16:28] gnote [16:29] a lot of C++ libraries for GTK+ [16:29] yeah, and it uses less memory because it doesn't have to pull in the runtime libraries for .Net [16:29] but, they are already in use when using gnome [16:29] the wonders of shared libraries [16:30] but they take space on cd [16:30] they are already there for gnome [16:30] not all of them [16:30] tomboy pulls in dependencies that nothing else is using [16:31] but we are considering banshee as a default player so it wouldn't remove all of Mono stuff anyway.. [16:32] * kklimonda wonders if it's the right channel to talk about it ;) [16:32] well, if in doubt move to -offtopic ;) [16:32] banshee? why not amarok? [16:33] well, amarok is default for Kubuntu [16:33] yeah, this is getting a bit off topic, I was just saying that that bug would be interesting to watch [16:34] I'm curious about a few of the points in there. I thought that the Netbook Remix and Edubuntu catered for netbooks / school hardware? [16:34] yes... [16:34] * kklimonda must... resists.. commenting on this bug [16:34] and UNR uses Gnome as its desktop manager [16:35] I don't know what Edubuntu uses [16:36] It'll be interesting to see what people say on that bug. Hopefully informative too. [16:38] yeah, I would like to see a productive discussion rather than see it degrade into a .NET flamewar [17:10] * yofel remembers the mono flamewar on deve-discuss when reading that bug... [17:15] well, it's going to be the same probably if enough people learn about it.. [17:17] yeah, it is very easy for public forum discussions to devolve... all it takes is one flamebait and one person to take the bait. [17:24] this report raises an interesting question about gedit: bug 483690 [17:24] Launchpad bug 483690 in gedit "Searching for '\t' returns all tabs in a document" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483690 [17:37] WeatherGod: vi is the same way [17:38] well, vi, I would expect it to behave that way [17:38] do you see regular users using a mode-based editor like vim? [17:38] gvim maybe [17:38] but gedit, I would expect it to be acting like notepad on windows [17:39] or textedit on macs [17:39] WeatherGod: already exists: bug 32490 [17:39] Launchpad bug 32490 in gedit "Search and Search&Replace have a problem with the "\" backslash" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32490 [17:40] ah, indeed, it does [17:41] and I don't think anything happened with it... [17:41] you might want to poke upstream nicely that it still exists :) [17:43] trying to figure out which bug to poke [17:43] seems like a bit of a circular "this bug is a dupe of that bug" [17:45] well, in this case the old bug has an upstream link so the new bug should be the duplicate I think [17:46] yeah, I agree... I was talking about duplicates at gnome [17:46]