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| craigbass1976 | I've been reading this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-June/028297.html What was the verdict for someone still on Jaunty? | 00:16 |
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| craigbass1976 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/289852 I tried that stuff too, and still no love | 00:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 289852 in cups "intrepid: printing very slow (dup-of: 382379)" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 00:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 382379 in poppler "pdftops CUPS filter has several problems" [High,Fix released] | 00:41 |
| craigbass1976 | Anyone know how to get the fix for bug#382379, or have I already got it and it still isn't working? | 00:48 |
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| ccheney` | has anyone been able to get googletalk to work from the hotel? | 03:41 |
| ccheney` | finally just magically started working | 03:43 |
| diwic | In what timezone is the schedule on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-l/2009-11-16/ ? | 04:39 |
| diwic | According to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-l/ it says EST, but timeanddate.com says dallas is in CST. | 04:39 |
| Flannel | Dallas is CST | 04:41 |
| diwic | So http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-l/ is wrong then? | 04:43 |
| diwic | And https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-l says UTC, to add to the confusion | 04:44 |
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| foobarmus | Can anyone tell me if a bunch of video drivers have been removed from recent kernels? I'm beginning to suspect this has happened... | 07:15 |
| RAOF | foobarmus: Such as? | 07:23 |
| lifeless | foobarmus: I'm not aware of anything like that. | 07:25 |
| foobarmus | RAOF: um, I dunno... I have 2 boxes each with a different card... Having trouble getting both Karmic and a recent download of Hardy to spit out anything more than 800x600 on either of them | 07:26 |
| foobarmus | RAOF: never had this kind of trouble b4... have been using ubuntu for years, on all kinds of hardware | 07:26 |
| RAOF | What video cards? The kernel doesn't tend to drop support for anything, but you may well be running into Proprietary Driver Annoyance™ | 07:27 |
| \sh | moins | 07:28 |
| \sh | guys, the times on summit.u.c are in UTC, right? | 07:28 |
| foobarmus | RAOF: they are pretty bog standard cards, nvidia maybe... one is about 6 yrs old, the other 3 yrs old | 07:28 |
| lifeless | nvidia, mmm proprietary hardware | 07:29 |
| RAOF | foobarmus: Well, nvidia is likely proprietary hell. Particularly since they'll have dropped support for your card in recent drivers. | 07:29 |
| foobarmus | have had multiple installs of ubu running on both boxes b4, everything from dapper to Jaunty... now I can't seem to install anything | 07:30 |
| RAOF | (We now have 4 different versions of the nvidia driver in the repositories) | 07:30 |
| foobarmus | RAOF: hmmm... so I should go back to an older kernel? | 07:30 |
| foobarmus | RAOF: or older release? | 07:31 |
| lifeless | RAOF: is nouveau nvidia or ati? | 07:31 |
| RAOF | foobarmus: #ubuntu is probably a better place for troubleshooting. You should be able to get Karmic working on both your systems, but I can't tell you how :) | 07:31 |
| RAOF | lifeless: nouveau is nvidia. The radeon is ati. | 07:32 |
| lifeless | foobarmus: so, #ubuntu, but also try the nouveau driver (or if you are, try the proprietary one) | 07:32 |
| foobarmus | RAOF: Thanks for the info | 07:32 |
| foobarmus | lifeless: cheers | 07:32 |
| RAOF | lifeless: (Fun fact: nouveau is called nouveau because the first (French) developer had a text-substitution alias for 'nv->nouveau') | 07:32 |
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| hyperair | how does one debug an upstart job? | 09:04 |
| \sh | hyperair: vi /boot/grub/menu.lst add --verbose or --debug to the kernel command line | 09:05 |
| hyperair | \sh: is there any way i can debug an upstart job without rebooting? | 09:05 |
| hyperair | $ sudo start apport | 09:06 |
| hyperair | start: Job failed to start | 09:06 |
| hyperair | that's all i see | 09:06 |
| hyperair | running the pre-start script manually in dash or bash works | 09:06 |
| hyperair | and there's no exec | 09:06 |
| hyperair | i can't figure out why it's not working | 09:06 |
| \sh | hyperair, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Debugging | 09:06 |
| \sh | hyperair, eventually because it's not enabled in /etc/default/apport | 09:09 |
| hyperair | hmmm | 09:09 |
| hyperair | ah | 09:09 |
| hyperair | thanks | 09:09 |
| hyperair | i feel stupid now | 09:10 |
| hyperair | heh | 09:10 |
| forscher | hi - could someone tell me how udev does handle keyboards and joysticks to create eventN on hiddevN ? | 09:29 |
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| Tm_T | dendro-afk: hrr, awaynick ): | 14:14 |
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| lool | Do we have a script to "import" a Debian bug into a LP one? | 16:13 |
| lool | (create a LP bug from a Debian bug) | 16:13 |
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| hdon | i think i just made gnome-terminal crash! | 16:32 |
| hdon | all my tabs! | 16:32 |
| hdon | gone! | 16:32 |
| hdon | :C | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | yes, well that's a design flaw (robustness) in g-t, isn't it ... | 16:33 |
| * cjwatson uses pterm O:-) | 16:33 | |
| hdon | gtk 1.2 :O | 16:33 |
| highvoltage | but does pterm have tabs? ;) | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | hdon: not in karmic | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | highvoltage: no, and I like it that way :) | 16:34 |
| hdon | oh | 16:34 |
| hdon | i suppose i should upgrade eventually | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | separate processes => one crash doesn't take out everything | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | (obviously xterm etc. are the same) | 16:35 |
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| * hdon can't imagine an acceptable circumstance for terminal emulator crash | 16:35 | |
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| cjwatson | hdon: sure, but there's this principle called "defence in depth" ... | 16:35 |
| highvoltage | cjwatson: I guess all the cool people us screen anyway | 16:35 |
| hdon | cjwatson: xterm instances are in one process? | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | hdon: each xterm instance is a single process | 16:35 |
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| directhex | perhaps g-t should be a transparent frontend to screen! | 16:36 |
| hdon | ah, ok. i thought i had entered a parallel universe or something | 16:36 |
| hdon | holy shit | 16:37 |
| hdon | lmao | 16:37 |
| hdon | i ran gnome-terminal --disable-factory so that i could recreate the crash and see what it says | 16:37 |
| hdon | but when i did it, both of my terminals crashed. *should have seen that coming* | 16:37 |
| hdon | wow, now i cannot recreate the crash at all | 16:38 |
| * hdon scratches his head | 16:38 | |
| hdon | hmm, there we go, that did it | 16:39 |
| hdon | i think i know how to recreate it now | 16:39 |
| hdon | of course maybe it isn't even in karmic | 16:39 |
| hdon | oh well i can't mess with this right now | 16:41 |
| hdon | if someone else wants to investigate, try menu/Terminal/Set Character Encoding/Add\Remove | 16:41 |
| hdon | and then try adding one | 16:41 |
| hdon | that caused a crash for me. maybe only if there is more than one gnome-terminal running. i can't be sure | 16:42 |
| hdon | running with --disable-factory may protect from crash | 16:42 |
| hdon | cjwatson: i think --disable-factory will get you a new process for each gnome-terminal, but that did not mean the crash didn't take down all my gnome-terminal processes anyway | 16:42 |
| hdon | i suspect it's some kind of race condition somewhere | 16:42 |
| hdon | for some shared resource concerning available character encodings | 16:43 |
| YokoZar | what's the summit IRC channel? | 16:45 |
| StevenK | #ubuntu-devel-summit | 16:45 |
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| forscher | Could someone tell me how udev detect and handle keyboards and joysticks? Through all changes in Karmic I have lost the path.... | 17:07 |
| forscher | a link to some documentations are pretty welcome! | 17:08 |
| snnw | Amaranth: ping | 17:37 |
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| Amaranth | snnw: pong | 17:41 |
| snnw | hi, I noticed in Alacarta's git repository that you started a rewrite in Vala a couple months back. Can you tell me if there are any plans on replacing the python implementation with yours? | 17:43 |
| snnw | I was writing a few patches for the python one, but if that's a dead end I'd rather work on the newer code base | 17:45 |
| snnw | If this is not a good time, I can ping you later. | 17:47 |
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| snnw | Amaranth: still there? | 18:03 |
| Amaranth | snnw: I'd like to see the vala one finished but it's somewhat stalled on libgarcon | 18:12 |
| Amaranth | snnw: So I doubt the vala one will replace the python one before gnome-shell replaces alacarte completely | 18:12 |
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| snnw | Amaranth: Thanks, I think I'll stick with the python one for now, then. It's kind of nice, working on a small project like this :) | 18:18 |
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| Kartinka | Hey guys, i was hiding some unmounted partitions with DevKit / udev Rules, but i search for a way to hide these partitions completely from the system not only from gnome / nautilus. Can anyone help me?! | 19:09 |
| craigbass1976 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/382379 The fix has been released. How do I go about implementing it? | 19:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 382379 in poppler "pdftops CUPS filter has several problems" [High,Fix released] | 19:10 |
| ebroder | Kartinka: We've told you before - this is not the right channel for this discussion | 19:10 |
| Kartinka | i search only for sb i won't talk in the chan... | 19:11 |
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| forscher | to which channel did Kartinka go? | 20:05 |
| Kartinka | here | 20:06 |
| Kartinka | i'am | 20:06 |
| Kartinka | ^^ | 20:06 |
| Kartinka | can you help me? | 20:06 |
| Kartinka | forscher? | 20:06 |
| jdong | does upstart do a sync anywhere at reboot? | 20:34 |
| jdong | I'm seeing somewhat reproducible FS data loss when rebooting right after heavy IO | 20:34 |
| jdong | if (! no_sync) | 20:39 |
| jdong | sync (); | 20:39 |
| jdong | hmm. Seems like it should :-/ | 20:39 |
| * jdong blames btrfs | 20:39 | |
| StevenK | Sounds like a good thing to blame :-P | 20:39 |
| jdong | lol hey hey! | 20:40 |
| jdong | at least I don't have to iteratively download and md5sum my >500MB files :P | 20:40 |
| StevenK | Does btrfs actually support sync? :-) | 20:40 |
| jdong | StevenK: as far as I know, yes :) | 20:42 |
| ajmitch | you just enjoy the bleeding edge | 20:43 |
| * soren hugs his XFS filesystems | 20:43 | |
| * jdong switched from XFS to btrfs on this server :) | 20:43 | |
| soren | No sympathy, then. | 20:44 |
| soren | :) | 20:44 |
| jdong | partly to help the cause, partly because I was tired of XFS taking 2 minutes to clean pbuilders | 20:44 |
| jdong | lol nothing actually was lost though :) | 20:44 |
| soren | jdong: 2 minutes to clean pbuilder? You got that bad unlink performance? | 20:45 |
| jdong | yeah, on XFS | 20:45 |
| jdong | any nontrivial pbuilder takes minutes to clean | 20:45 |
| jdong | unlink performance on XFS for me has been pretty horrible with a collection of small files | 20:46 |
| soren | Wow. | 20:46 |
| jdong | I mean, I love XFS -- my media storage partition is still XFS | 20:46 |
| jdong | but... there's certainly some things that XFS simply wasn't designed to excel at. | 20:47 |
| soren | I know it has less than stellar unlink performance, but I've never seen anything as bad as what you're describing. | 20:49 |
| slangasek | any nontrivial pbuilder should use sbuild + schroot w/ LVM snapshots ;) | 20:49 |
| ebroder | Yeah, I used to think that. My stance now is "any nontrivial build should use PPAs" :-P | 20:49 |
| * soren uses tarballs for his sbuild | 20:50 | |
| ajmitch | ebroder: depending on your upstream bandwidth :) | 20:50 |
| ebroder | Oh, also, you don't want LVM snapshots, because their performance sucks, too. You actually want the aufs support added in schroot 1.3 | 20:50 |
| jdong | aufs sounds like a good idea for this | 20:50 |
| jdong | or.... btfsctl -S.... | 20:50 |
| jdong | *ducks* | 20:50 |
| soren | It performs better (no overhead of dm_snapshot), it doesn't waste space, it allows bigger builds.. It's pretty awesome. | 20:50 |
| ebroder | aufs with a tmpfs for the overlay is going to be faster than ~anything that writes to disk, so long as you have the RAM for it | 20:51 |
| ajmitch | anything that avoids hitting the disk overly much is great on a laptop | 20:52 |
| soren | Even counting the time it takes to unpack tarballs, it still beats lvm snapshot based sbuilds even for relatively small builds. | 20:52 |
| sebner | jdong: I'm wondering why btrfs takes that long to mature. Started 2006 afaik, big company behind it and it has the attention of the community. Will be stable in 2010 earliest imho | 20:52 |
| ajmitch | sebner: given that 2010 is a few weeks away... | 20:53 |
| jdong | sebner: eh they're playing the game responsibly. | 20:53 |
| sebner | ajmitch: and lasts 365 days :P | 20:55 |
| sebner | jdong: isn't game responsibility to push out stuff to early? | 20:56 |
| jdong | Yes | 20:57 |
| jdong | It is though | 20:57 |
| jdong | It's in mainline, easy to build git checkouts... | 20:57 |
| jdong | Dunno what else one expects | 20:57 |
| sebner | jdong: with whom do we need to stay in bed in order to get btrfs installable with lucid like fedora offers now :P | 20:58 |
| yofel | hi, would bug 402188 qualify for a SRU? The patch has been tested in a ppa and works fine. | 20:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 402188 in vim "gvim complains about "gtk_form_set_static_gravity: assertion `static_gravity_supported' failed" in the shell it's started from" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402188 | 20:58 |
| ebroder | Hmm...when I run 'manage-credentials create -c ubuntu-dev-tools -l 2' on my Karmic machine, then fill out the web form, then hit enter in manage-creds, I get a 401 error | 21:05 |
| ebroder | Oh wait - classtime. I'll try again later | 21:06 |
| jdong | sebner: seems like you need to sleep with a debian-installer/ubiquity developer ;-) | 21:16 |
| jdong | sebner: and possibly a GRUB2 dev too | 21:16 |
| sebner | jdong: heh, grub2 ubuntu-dev as fedora and suse already support that stuff. We could pull the patch from there | 21:17 |
| jdong | sebner: wait where'd this patch come from?? | 21:17 |
| jdong | I've been keeping my eye on the associated debian bug and no patch AFAIK | 21:18 |
| sebner | jdong: fedora/suse? | 21:18 |
| jdong | well I don't think fedora/suse use grub-probe for this purpose | 21:20 |
| jdong | namely due to the multi-rooted nature of btrfs, grub-probe cannot identify the device node associated with a btrfs volume | 21:20 |
| jdong | which causes update-grub to bork out | 21:20 |
| jdong | a Debianism... | 21:20 |
| sebner | jdong: it seems they are always ahead of us :P | 21:27 |
| jdong | often true | 21:27 |
| sebner | jdong: we are not bleeding/cutting edge enough :P | 21:28 |
| jdong | nor is OpenSUSE. | 21:28 |
| sebner | jdong: well, it's suse. I just mentioned it because of btrfs. No one wants suse :P | 21:29 |
| EtienneG | does someone know if the MIT kerberos are attending UDS-L? They where at UDS Jaunty. If they are, I would love to have a quick chat with them, got a thorny problem | 21:31 |
| Pici | 0/64 | 21:32 |
| Fenix|work | Greetings and salutations | 22:03 |
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| Fenix|work | Any rsyslog implementers present? I'm confused about what/where the template RSYSLOG_TraditionalFileFormat is or points to. | 22:04 |
| Fenix|work | ok, nm found it. Is there any reason why high-precision timestamps are turned off? | 22:10 |
| Riddell | asac, pitti: VPN? | 22:10 |
| cjwatson | sebner: there's a blueprint for that already, later this week | 22:15 |
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| cjwatson | sebner: there's a grub patch from fedora, but grub2 != grub and it's not trivial to forward-port. In this case the problem is that they are too far behind us :P | 22:15 |
| cjwatson | sebner: they kind of tossed it over the wall to grub-devel, but haven't volunteered to do the forward-port | 22:16 |
| cjwatson | jdong: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2009-09/msg00381.html and thread | 22:17 |
| sebner | cjwatson: heh, nice you catched up as I thought of being punched to death because lucid will be LTS :) | 22:18 |
| ajmitch | sebner: why did you anticipate a violent death? | 22:18 |
| cjwatson | no, I'd like to support btrfs. I certainly don't think it should be the default though | 22:19 |
| ajmitch | I don't think lucid will quite be 'no new features', just sane defaults | 22:19 |
| sebner | cjwatson: oh well, not even myself considers btrfs "defaultable" ;) | 22:20 |
| ajmitch | jdong might :) | 22:20 |
| sebner | cjwatson: I was speaking about fedora12 btw, still wondering if they have grub2 now | 22:20 |
| cjwatson | sebner: if they have a btrfs patch for grub2, they have not seen fit to contribute it upstream, and upstream is to the best of my knowledge unaware of it | 22:22 |
| sebner | cjwatson: ah right and so opensuse sticks to grub too. HAHA ubuntu ftw! | 22:25 |
| jdong | lol never said I want to default to btrfs | 22:28 |
| jdong | it'd just be nice to make it an available option in the installer | 22:28 |
| ebroder | Blargh. Did bug #483813 get filed correctly? requestsync errored out in the middle - I didn't realize it had even filed the bug | 22:28 |
| sebner | jdong: to me it's the same :P | 22:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 483813 in schroot "Sync schroot 1.3.1-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483813 | 22:29 |
| jdong | aren't there supposed to be diffstats and such attached to requestsyncs? | 22:31 |
| cjwatson | jdong: as an archive admin I wouldn't look at them ... :) | 22:31 |
| ajmitch | I don't think I've ever seen or attached diffstats | 22:32 |
| * sebner too | 22:32 | |
| ajmitch | it's more relevant for SRUs & fixes close to release | 22:32 |
| jdong | it might be freeze exceptions then :) | 22:33 |
| sebner | anyways | 22:33 |
| ebroder | I've certainly never seen requestsync attach debdiffs | 22:33 |
| * sebner wishes a good night everybody! :) | 22:33 | |
| ajmitch | night sebner | 22:33 |
| jdong | lol at this stage in Lucid I'd expect it to be big-rubber-stamp protocol anyway ;-) | 22:33 |
| ebroder | Anyway, just wanted to make sure the bug was in place right (not that I'd object to somebody looking at it :-P) | 22:33 |
| * jdong hands ebroder the subtle bugprod award of the day. | 22:34 | |
| ebroder | *shrug* Or I could wait a week and a half, at which point hopefully I'd be able to ACK it myself | 22:34 |
| directhex | when was the last autosync run? i'm still not seeing things that have been in squeeze since pre-karmic-release | 22:36 |
| StevenK | directhex: It's run by hand. I'll run one soonish | 22:43 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: does the autosync pick up packages from contrib/non-free? | 22:45 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: It can, not in the same run | 22:47 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: when you have a chance, I would like to talk with you about the brltty package's init script | 22:59 |
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| forscher | which channel could I ask for udev and eventX ? | 23:21 |
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| bdrung_ | does ubuntu accepts 3.0 (quilt) source package uploads? | 23:33 |
| RAOF | bdrung_: No(t yet) | 23:34 |
| bdrung_ | RAOF: how long do we need to wait? will it be ready for lucid? | 23:34 |
| ajmitch | probably until the next LP rollout, ask wgrant about it | 23:35 |
| RAOF | Launchpad hasn't quite grown support for the new source package formats, but wgrant (IIRC) is working on it. My remembarance is that it should be ready soonish, before Lucid certainly. | 23:35 |
| bdrung_ | thanks. | 23:35 |
| wgrant | bdrung_, ajmitch, RAOF: It should be supported on 2009-12-05 (LP 3.1.11) | 23:38 |
| bdrung_ | wgrant: thx | 23:39 |
| rgreening | NCommander: ping | 23:41 |
| NCommander | rgreening, pong? | 23:41 |
| rgreening | you available to come to vinoy | 23:41 |
| rgreening | we have an armel | 23:41 |
| rgreening | need som advice/help :) | 23:42 |
| rgreening | me and Riddell | 23:42 |
| NCommander | rgreening, I saw it earlier, didn't I? | 23:42 |
| rgreening | dunno | 23:42 |
| rgreening | but can you pop over | 23:42 |
| rgreening | NCommander: nope, its a different one | 23:42 |
| NCommander | rgreening, neat, I'll be there as son as I'm done here | 23:45 |
| rgreening | k | 23:46 |
| pitti | Riddell: sorry, had a session right now which I draft | 23:51 |
| elopss | why/where/how is the kernel inserting mount options that mount(2) isnt sending it? (according to both behaviour, and /proc/mounts) | 23:54 |
| elopss | well /proc/mounts shows mount options that were not provided by mount(). what is the cause of this? | 23:54 |
| elopss | relatime is the option that's showing up on all my mounts that i want to get rid of | 23:54 |
| elopss | and, it didnt do this until i upgraded to 9.10 | 23:54 |
| elopss | but i'm also using kernel .32rc which might have something to do with it | 23:54 |
| elopss | anyone? | 23:56 |
| elopss | the he strictatime works for some mount commands, but mount.nfs doesnt pass it to mount() .. i could write a call to do it, but why the relatime is in there in the first place boggles me. | 23:57 |
| elopss | hmm? | 23:59 |
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