[00:24] <Doorman352> I've heard several recomendations that if I want to explore Ubuntu Server with a GUI, I should just start with the Desktop version instead. It the "server" will reside on a network without direct access to the internet, is there any real reason I should use Ubuntu Server over Desktop?
[00:31] <twb> Doorman352: ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop only differ in the set of packages installed by default, and the set of packages "cached" on the install medium.
[00:31] <twb> In particular, the server has different compile-time options for the kernel.
[00:32] <Doorman352> OK, so if I wanted to setup and indefinite "sandbox" using desktop as long as I dont put out on the net I shouldn't expect any issues?
[00:32] <twb> There is no reason you could not install either "flavour" and then turn it into the other flavour with a few well-placed aptitude calls.
[00:33] <Doorman352> I didn't find a comparison between the kernals, etc... just trying to get experience playing with it and breaking it...
[00:33] <Doorman352> and of course fixing it..
[00:33] <twb> There is a package that will deliberately break your system in different ways so that you can try finding and fixing the problem
[00:33] <twb> I can't remember the package's name...
[00:34] <Doorman352> I've lost most of my command line skills, been a long time since DOS, and unfortunately Ive become a visual person so its easier for me to navigate with the gui.......
[00:34] <ScottK> twb: In Karmic the i386 kernel is no longer different.
[00:34] <twb> ScottK: no -server variant?
[00:34] <Doorman352> Not sure I really need help breaking it....seem to have that down. :)
[00:34] <ScottK> Not on i386
[00:34] <ScottK> You get pushed to generic on upgrade
[00:35] <Doorman352> I settled on 9.04 server for now.....
[00:35] <twb> ScottK: what was the rationale?  Simply that there were no options that needed to be different?
[00:35] <ScottK> Dunno
[00:36] <Doorman352> Cool, I have 3 elderly servers dedicated to my "learning" LINUX so I'll just load desktop for now and see what I can do...... anything toward my final goal of not having Microsoft servers anymore...
[00:38] <twb> I'm amazed that anyone ever had a Microsoft server.
[00:38] <twb> Xenix, maybe, or TS as a thin client-type arrangement...
[00:39] <twb> Doorman352: note that headless servers can still display GUI apps on remote Unix systems, because X11 is network-transparent
[00:39] <twb> Doorman352: so even if you need a GUI, you don't need to install Xorg on your server -- just the X apps you need.
[00:40] <twb> However #ubuntu-server (unsurprisingly) encourages people to learn to administer servers from the command line.
[00:41] <ScottK> Doorman352: If it's just for play/learning you won't notice the difference between the generic and server kernels.
[00:42] <twb> Is there a channel for libvirt/virt-manager?
[00:45] <twb> Never mind.  I was gonna ask if it would supported LXC, but apparently it already does: "libvirt supports: Xen, QEMU, KVM, LXC, OpenVZ, User Mode Linux, VirtualBox, VMware ESX and GSX" (http://libvirt.org/)
[00:51] <mdeslaur> anyone see zul? he's MIA...
[00:52] <ScottK> Oh my, Canadians lost in Texas....
[00:52] <mdeslaur> ScottK: I don't think he made it to TX...
[00:52] <ScottK> Oh.
[00:52]  * ScottK is still on the plane ride there.
[00:53] <mdeslaur> ScottK: you have irc on the plane??
[00:53] <ScottK> mdeslaur: Yes.  It was a pleasant suprise.
[00:53] <mdeslaur> wow, cool!
[00:53] <ScottK> More fun than a movie and about the same price.
[00:54] <ajmitch> more useful, too
[00:56] <twb> They didn't confiscate all your worldly possessions before allowing you to fly?
[00:57] <ScottK> Nope.
[00:57] <ScottK> This is a domestic flight for me.
[00:58] <twb> I thought .us did that even for domestic flights
[01:00] <ScottK> Not quite as much.
[01:01] <twb> Also, doesn't .us have a decent rail network?  Or is that only set up for freight, rather than passengers?
[01:01] <ScottK> Depends on where you are.
[01:02] <ScottK> Up and down the east and parts of the west coast, it's great.
[01:02] <twb> The Europeans seem to take trains everywhere.
[01:02] <ScottK> Well the US is big.
[01:02] <ScottK> If I was going to take the train, I'd have had to leave yesterday or maybe Friday
[01:02] <twb> Fair enough
[01:03] <ScottK> I did take the train to UDS Boston.
[01:04] <twb> Apparently .us is 9,826,675 km^2 and .au (where I am) is 7,617,930 km^2.
[01:05] <twb> But our rail infrastructure is abysmal, I think mainly because by the time whitey turned up here, the automobile was in vogue.
[01:05] <ScottK> I doubt cross country train trips are popular in .au either
[01:06] <twb> ScottK: well, nobody wants to go to the west coast of .au in the first place ;-)
[01:07] <ajmitch> probably because there's not really a lot there to see
[01:07] <twb> strip mines
[01:07] <ScottK> Well when I was in the Navy, I always heard Perth was a great liberty port.
[01:08] <ScottK> Never made it there though
[01:08] <twb> ScottK: what does "liberty" mean in this context?
[01:08] <ScottK> Time to shut down for landing.  See you all later.
[01:08] <ScottK> twb: Pulling into port and having a break from being at sea.
[01:08] <ajmitch> one of the running jokes for LCA is the proposal to have LCA in broome
[01:09] <ScottK> It was mostly single guys that highly approved of it for some reason.
[02:47] <Blank__> Hi, I've just upgraded my server to karmic and there appears to have been an issue with md... it drops to a busybox shell after claiming that /dev/md0 doesn't exist
[02:48] <Blank__> i've managed to enable /dev/md0 by running mdadm --assemble --scan, however i can't run update-initramfs as suggested in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/128313
[02:50] <Blank__> The only way I can see of solving it is by booting from cd, which will be irritating for me... perhaps i should stop whinging and just get to it and see what happens
[03:00] <Blank__> i've tried running update-initramfs -k all -c -t
[03:00] <Blank__> it rebuilds them all, but still no change; my server's not a happy koala
[03:18] <twb> Blank__: why doesn't update-initramfs -u -k all work?
[03:18] <twb> Blank__: do you get any output from that command?  If so, please pastebin it.
[03:20] <pmatulis> Blank__: what kind of machine is this?
[03:28] <Blank__> twb: i can only run update-initramfs from the livecd in recovery mode
[03:29] <soren> kirkland: pong
[03:29] <Blank__> it has no problem building them
[03:29] <Blank__> pmatulis, it's just a celeron 2.4ghz...
[03:29] <pmatulis> Blank__: any onboard raid?
[03:29] <pmatulis> Blank__: sounds like there may be some fakeraid there
[03:30] <Blank__> this has only happened with the new kernel, if i attempt booting with 2.6.28-11 there's a lot of broken stuff but md0 works
[03:30] <Blank__> yeah it's software raid, pmatulis
[03:30] <pmatulis> Blank__: but is there any fakeraid onboard?
[03:30] <Blank__> i fear the array isn't being assembled with the new (karmic) kernel
[03:30] <Blank__> nope, it's entirely software based
[03:30] <twb> software raid isn't fakeraid
[03:31] <pmatulis> Blank__: yes or no, is there a fakeraid chip on your motherboard?
[03:31] <Blank__> pmatulis, no
[03:31] <twb> software raid is md raid.  fakeraid happens beneath md's visibility, but it uses the CPU instead of a co-processor to perform the RAID operations.
[03:31] <pmatulis> Blank__: ok then
[03:31] <Blank__> to tell the truth it's a raid1 array of two 40GB IDE drives x_x
[03:32] <pmatulis> Blank__: b/c i had a very similar problem and it was b/c some previous fakeraid config was on the drives, karmic seemed to take offense or get confused
[03:32] <twb> It would be unusual to find a modern motherboard *without* a sata fakeraid controller on it, but you can usually disable that controller in the BIOS and set it to "just a bunch of disks, please".
[03:32] <Blank__> i'm wondering if purging mdadm and reinstalling it would work
[03:32] <twb> Blank__: very unlikely
[03:32] <Blank__> twb, this motherboard is probably from about 2004, and lacks any SATA whatsoever
[03:33] <twb> Blank__: if mdadm -A --scan works, and /etc/mdadm.conf contains reasonable entries for all your md devices, then rebuilding the initramfs should be sufficient to make it work again.
[03:33] <twb> Blank__: that is, unless you have fucked with the default settings -- for example, telling mdadm to only assemble what it needs, rather than all devices it can find.
[03:33] <Blank__> i don't understand why it works fine with my old jaunty kernel but not with karmic's stock kernel
[03:33] <Blank__> nah twb, running mdadm --assemble --scan works fine
[03:34] <pmatulis> Blank__: when you installed did you get prompted something like "raid detected, do you want to activate these devcies"?
[03:34] <Blank__> and i haven't touched the mdadm settings
[03:34] <twb> Blank__: you may also wish to piss about in /etc/fstab in case it has changed from UUID to LABEL or to a device file.
[03:34] <pmatulis> Blank__: actually, scratch that, you said this was an upgrade
[03:34] <Blank__> i upgraded from jaunty to karmic without the cd, and it never made any mention of raid detection, pmatulis
[03:34] <Blank__> yeah
[03:34] <Blank__> i'll have a look in fstab, twb
[03:36] <Blank__> err, what's the command to list UUIDs, again?
[03:38] <twb> vol_id or ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -l
[03:39] <Blank__> can't see anything wrong with fstab, twb
[03:39] <Blank__> besides, if it works alright with the old kernel, surely there must be something specific to the new one that's screwing up
[03:40] <twb> Blank__: sorry, so it all still works with the old kernel?
[03:40] <twb> Blank__: this is news to me: I thought *all* your kernels were screwed
[03:40] <Blank__> i can basically boot into the old kernel, however due to broken dependencies i can't really do anything, plus /dev/md0 is claiming it's read only
[03:42] <twb> Blank__: maybe your problem is simply that your array is degraded?
[03:42] <Blank__> with 2.6.31-whatever it is, it gets up to mounting the root folder, then waits for a while, then drops to busybox claiming /dev/md0 doesn't exist, and it's right, ls /dev/md* says not found
[03:42] <twb> Blank__: add bootdegraded=yes to your boot prompt
[03:42] <Blank__> ok, hang on
[03:43] <twb> Also check /proc/mdstat and /var/log/* when you are dumped into the busybox
[03:43] <Blank__> twb, add it to the kernel arguments?
[03:44] <twb> Yes
[03:45] <Blank__> hasn't changed
[03:45] <Blank__> cat /proc/mdstat shows no unused devices
[03:45] <Blank__> lemme check logs
[03:45] <Blank__> ah... there's no log folder
[03:46] <Blank__> presumably because rootfs is mounted to /
[03:58] <Blank__> twb, i've just realised the new kernel shipped with karmic is a -generic instead of -server?!
[04:06] <Blank__> seems the box didn't upgrade correctly, i've just run apt-get dist-upgrade and its come up with 158MB worth of packages
[04:09] <pmatulis> Blank__: were you using a 32bit kernel in jaunty?
[04:22] <twb> 11:34 <ScottK> twb: In Karmic the i386 kernel is no longer different.
[04:22] <twb> (afk again)
[04:22] <pmatulis> right, there is no 32bit server kernel in karmic
[04:26] <Blank__> yeah
[04:26] <Blank__> well it's all working now
[04:26] <Blank__> after running dist-upgrade and sorting out a few more dependencies, the generic-pae kernel is working for me
[04:26] <Blank__> although it's hardly ideal considering i've only got 768MB ram on that machine, it'll do
[04:47] <xperia2> hello to all ! i am searching information how to configure bind9 on my ubuntu server with options like this "allow-recursion" "allow-query"  "allow-cache-query"
[04:47] <xperia2> till yet i have used in my router configuration the opendns servers for webbrowsing but some experts told me by reconfigure my bind9 server i dont need anymore the opendns server or even my isp dns servers.
[04:47] <xperia2> It is called somehow recursive querys i believe.
[04:47] <xperia2> What i dont want for sure is some bind9 cashing dns server that still depend on my isp dns server or only a dns server that can handle two domains and forward then the rest to the isp dns server!
[04:47] <xperia2> Can bind9 really be used as a replacement for the isp dns servers or even the open dns servers ?
[04:48] <Guest57963> xperia2: Yes, it really can.
[04:51] <jmarsden> xperia2: Yes, bind9 will work as a real DNS server, not just a caching one, if you ask it to.
[04:52] <xperia2> woow. i am searchin since yesterday for information how to achieve this but cant find anything that point me in this direction
[04:52] <xperia2> the wikipage of ubuntu dont has also anything in this direction https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[04:52] <xperia2> do you know some howtos about this ?
[04:52] <jmarsden> Not really, I just have been using bind for DNS since about 1994 :)  What problem are you having with it?
[04:53] <xperia2> i need it to configure it :-) at the moment it works great to resolve my domains
[04:53] <xperia2> as a authoritive dns server
[04:53] <jmarsden> OK.  Maybe if you pastebin your current named.conf I can see what is missing?
[04:54] <xperia2> okay give me just a moment
[04:55] <xperia2> jmarsden: http://paste-bin.com/view/bf0c8463
[04:56] <jmarsden> Looks fine.  Lines 11 to 15 should be allowing it to resolve other domains also.
[04:56] <jmarsden> If you do    dig @1.2.3.4  yahoo.com    # where 1.2.3.4 is your server's Ip address... what happens?
[04:57] <xperia2> hmmm but when i ssh to the ubuntu server and execute there this here "dig @192.168.1.90 yahoo.com" i get
[04:57] <xperia2> $ dig @192.168.1.90 yahoo.com
[04:58] <xperia2> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> @192.168.1.90 yahoo.com
[04:58] <xperia2> ; (1 server found)
[04:58] <xperia2> ;; global options:  printcmd
[04:58] <xperia2> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[04:58] <xperia2> 192.168.1.90 is the local ip of my ubuntu server
[04:58] <xperia2> should i use the static wan ip number instead ?
[04:59] <jmarsden> OK... your server is not really listening on 192.168.1.90 perhaps?  On the server itself (once SSHed to it and at a shell prompt) using its local IP should be fine.
[04:59] <jmarsden> Does   dig @192.168.1.90 yourdomain.com      work fine?
[05:00] <jmarsden> where yourdomain.com is whatever your domain name that it is supposed to be authoritative for is.
[05:00] <xperia2> strange if i do this here "dig @80.254.182.249 yahoo.com" it works !
[05:00] <xperia2> 80.254.182.249 is my static ip adress to the server
[05:01] <jmarsden> OK... now you need to describe your network configuratioj a little, this sounds more like a network issue than a DNS server config issue at this point.
[05:02] <jmarsden> What does    ifconfig eth0 |grep "inet addr"     return when run on the server?
[05:02] <xperia2> jmarsden: yes resolving my domain name on my server with "dig @192.168.1.90 wificom.ch" works !
[05:02] <xperia2> only all other domains dont work !
[05:03] <xperia2> ifconfig eth0 |grep "inet addr"
[05:03] <xperia2>           inet addr:192.168.1.90  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[05:04] <jmarsden> OK... maybe it *is* a DNS config thing.  Can you pastebin me your named.conf.local and named.conf.options files, please?
[05:04] <xperia2> why can i resolve my own domain with dig @192.168.1.90 wificom.ch but other domains like google.com dont work like this
[05:04] <xperia2> dig @192.168.1.90 google.com
[05:05] <xperia2> jmarsden: wait
[05:05] <jmarsden> That's what we are trying to find out :)  Either the DNS server is configured not to recurse to look up other domains, or something is blocking the DNS traffic somewhere.
[05:06] <xperia2> hmmm now it works for some reason but it take too long sometime !
[05:06] <jmarsden> Can you pastebin me your named.conf.local and named.conf.options files, please?
[05:08] <xperia2> jmarsden: it works allways on the second try. the first try fails !
[05:08] <xperia2>  the second worksdig @192.168.1.90 nzz.ch
[05:08] <xperia2> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> @192.168.1.90 nzz.ch
[05:08] <xperia2> ; (1 server found)
[05:09] <xperia2> ;; global options:  printcmd
[05:09] <xperia2> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[05:09] <xperia2> the second try however works !
[05:09] <xperia2>  dig @192.168.1.90 nzz.ch
[05:09] <xperia2> ; <<>> DiG 9.5.0-P2 <<>> @192.168.1.90 nzz.ch
[05:09] <xperia2> ; (1 server found)
[05:09] <xperia2> so dig @192.168.1.90 yahoo.com and dig @192.168.1.90 google.com works now too !
[05:09] <xperia2> jmarsden: give me just a moment
[05:10] <xperia2> http://paste-bin.com/view/1651ba03
[05:10] <jmarsden> The "second try" thing is a little odd... sounds like something is timing out, but the second time it uses locally cached results from the first try and so works... let me look...
[05:11] <xperia2> http://paste-bin.com/view/fd3210f0
[05:11] <xperia2> yeah it looks like a timing out problem
[05:12] <jmarsden> xperia2: AHA!  you are forwarding via your ISPs DNS servers, it seems.  Comment out lines 15, 16 and 17 of the named.conf.options file, restart bind9, and retest.
[05:13] <jmarsden> BTW, that isn't the Ubuntu default.. you must have edited that yourself, right?
[05:14] <xperia2> jmarsden: yes i have edited it! btw. the ip number is the static ip number of my dns server
[05:14] <xperia2> that is writen in the forward section
[05:14] <jmarsden> xperia2: You are forwarding to yourself?  That's ... not a sane thing to do :)
[05:15] <jmarsden> Anyway, just comment that out, restart bind9 and retest
[05:15] <xperia2> yeah :-) okay will do that !
[05:16] <xperia2> jmarsden: will reboot the bind9 server now
[05:16] <jmarsden> Just restart bind9... no need to reboot the machine.
[05:18] <xperia2> sudo ./bind9 restart
[05:18] <xperia2> it takes heavy long till it stop the bind9 service
[05:18] <xperia2> but now it restarted it !
[05:18] <xperia2> sorry it needed to be sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 restart
[05:18] <jmarsden> Maybe that "forward to itself" confused it? :)    Yes, that should be fine.
[05:18] <jmarsden> Now dig @192.168.1.90 yahoo.com
[05:19] <xperia2> yeahhh it works flawless ! woow
[05:19] <jmarsden> So you broke it yourself by editing the named.conf.options file :)  Anyway, there you go, fixed now :)
[05:20] <xperia2> awesome thanks for your expertise really !
[05:20] <xperia2> that is pure joy ha ha ha !
[05:20] <xperia2> need now to reconfigure my router to point to my lan dns server and i am independent !
[05:20] <xperia2> yaaahhhhooo :-)
[05:21] <jmarsden> :)
[05:21] <twb> xperia2: independent, eh?  You're using mesh networking?
[05:22] <xperia2> independent of my isp dns server or open dns server or other dns server
[05:23] <xperia2> if i am not wrong all callups of my domains in the webbrowser will be not anymore sended to the isp dns server or other dns server instead it will be all handled in my lan network
[05:23] <xperia2> this is ofcourse only right if i am working inside the lan
[05:24] <xperia2> or better behind my router that point now to my local dns server
[05:35] <xperia2> need to reboot see you all next time. thanks and bye !
[06:07] <ksoviero> Is anyone on here a php developer?
[06:09] <ksoviero> let me rephrase, does anyone on here know php well?  I have an idea for a project, but I want to know if it can be done using php?
[06:10] <ksoviero> ok, anybody know of any php specific irc channels?
[06:15] <majuk> Hey guys, can anyone tell me how to specify multiple forwarder DNS servers in /etc/bind/named.conf.options?
[06:43] <cemc> majuk: forwarders { ip1; ip2; ipN; };
[06:44] <majuk> cemc! Thanks man.
[06:45] <majuk> Wasn't sure if it was separate lines or comma delimited.
[06:45] <cemc> majuk: you can put them on separate lines, just make sure they end in ;
[06:46] <majuk> cemc! Yea. I wish it wasn't so, my bind server isn't cooperating with me and I thought that had something to do with it, but I had done it correctly.
[06:46] <majuk> So. Kittens.
[07:37] <netritious> Hi, how do I find out the exact MB for partition / ?
[07:38] <netritious> df -h returns 9.3 GB, but I need to know MB
[07:41] <majuk> netritious! Next time, try the man page. df -B mb /
[07:42] <netritious> majuk: ty..I did, but I didn't understand what B meant exactly
[07:43] <majuk> netritious! If at first you don't succeed... ;) You're welcome, none the less.
[07:43] <netritious> majuk: :D
[08:03] <freeflying> hi guys
[08:03] <freeflying> I'm using karmic to set up eucalyptus
[08:03] <freeflying> after controller and node were installed, can't add node with ecua_conf
[08:04] <freeflying> it show ssh public key missing
[08:04] <freeflying> but actually, I can ssh login automatically with user eucalyptus
[08:05] <freeflying> any hints dudes?
[08:31] <simplexio> freeflying: not that i know, but sounds like you need to have computer public ssh key there, not users
[08:44] <freeflying> simplexio: eucalyptus
[08:44] <freeflying> simplexio: this user was created and ssh key was created eithere
[10:54] <bigbrovar> .
[10:58] <RoyK> ,
[10:59] <zash> ;
[11:00] <RoyK> :þ
[11:14] <incorrect> can anyone suggest a virtual host provider in japan?
[12:06] <ghostlines> can virt-manager make snapshots of vm's too?
[12:36] <chimp_> I'm trying to load balance accross adapters. I've looked at multiple solutions but none really fit. The spec is a program that will spit out http post commands containing ~50kb  which need to be sent round robin style. The program will be sending this to a seperate box so wont have access to the routing table itself
[12:38] <chimp_> A few solutions i've looked at include providing internal ip addresses in the separate box that convert to the external ip address but each ip address maps to a seperate iface. This lacks elegance as it then hardcodes the box to a certain ip
[12:38] <KurtKraut> chimp_, I belive many people will have a hard time to understand your scenario. If you receive very few proposals, I recommend you to try to draw this as an image scheme.
[12:40] <chimp_> KurtKraut: Is there a website equivalent of pastebin that I could draw quickly in?
[12:40] <KurtKraut> chimp_, I was thinking in something like http://live.gnome.org/Dia
[12:41] <\sh> chimp_, load balancing accross adapters with different providers or one provider and loadbalancing a la portchannel? (or bond-mode 2)
[12:41] <KurtKraut> chimp_, it is packaged for ubuntu.
[12:42] <\sh> chimp_, something like this? http://www.sourcecode.de/content/network-setup-freaks-me-out
[12:42] <chimp_> \sh: Different providers, bond mode would not work, and the issue is most things tend to have per packet load balancing, i need something per http post
[12:43] <\sh> chimp_, ugh
[12:43] <chimp_> I've already played around with bonding on same network stuff and it works great in a round robin style packet per device, but it fails if you want to send a whole request per device
[12:44] <chimp_> \sh: Yup ugh indeed. Which is why i've started looking at 'bodging' it
[12:44] <\sh> chimp_, ipvs a solution?
[12:45] <chimp_> Not looked at ipvs yet, cheers for the name
[12:59] <acalvo> hi
[12:59] <acalvo> is zend optimizer bundle with some php package?
[13:00] <acalvo> or is separated to the zend-framework packages?
[13:01] <\sh> acalvo, no zend-optimizer in ubuntu
[13:02] <acalvo> so I'll install it by hand
[13:11] <KiLVaiDeN> ♪ hello
[13:35] <cruser126> U},H6qX_/Y5qT 5P33T>yY1+F'yM-+S4qU2wb
[13:43] <chimp_> I've tried to create a coherent thread on the forums explaining what I was talking about before: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8327424#post8327424
[13:50] <\sh> chimp_, can you put the png somewhere else? don't wanna create an forum account
[13:51] <\sh> or use my lp account
[13:55] <Fenix|work> Greetings and salutations.
[13:55] <Fenix|work> Which syslog daemon does Intrepid use?
[13:56] <foolano> chimp_: what about using iptables to mark each connection and send them to different routing tables?
[13:57] <chimp_> \sh: Sure, but its a really pathetic image
[13:58] <chimp_> foolano: I'm looking at doing that but how do I mark each connection such that i know each connection is a separate http post
[14:00] <foolano> chimp_: if your client is not using some kind of keep-alive stuff to send packets through the same connection you could match NEW packets, I believe
[14:00] <chimp_> http://82.29.106.44/load_balance.png
[14:01] <chimp_> Unforunately it is using keep alive, but I could alter it not in order to make balancing work properly
[14:03] <foolano> chimp_: i guess that without the keep alive thing you can easily tell apart new connections from established connections
[14:03] <chimp_> foolano: I have no idea how to create a rule that would mark new connections to an iface
[14:03] <chimp_> foolano: Such that it's round robin/balanced
[14:03] <foolano> chimp_: have you ever done load balancing with iptables + iproute2?
[14:04] <chimp_> Yes, but i've never given consideration to new connections
[14:04] <chimp_> I'll need to read the docs some more :)
[14:04] <foolano> chimp_: it's the same principle
[14:04] <foolano> you just need to mark packets and send them through the table route you need
[14:05] <foolano> route table*
[14:06] <chimp_> foolano: Cheers, I'll start reading
[14:09] <acalvo> does anyone uses cppunit + scons? I'm looking for a tutorial to start working with them
[14:22] <baffle> Uhh, how is one supposed to configure multipathing i karmic? scsi_id in /lib/udev/ does not support the "-g -u -s" options like it used to?
[14:28] <Fenix|work> any Karmic rsyslogd 4 people available for a question?  I seem to be having problems with allowed hosts.  UDP syslog traffic from remote hosts are being discarded.  I have $AllowedSender UDP, 172.16.0.0/16 in my own conf file...
[14:29] <Fenix|work> ... what could I be doing wrong?
[14:29] <Fenix|work> (that conf file is in /etc/rsyslog.d/
[14:29] <baffle> Found the solution: getuid_callout          "/lib/udev/scsi_id -g -u -ppre-spc3-83 -d /dev/%n"
[14:54] <Fenix|work> Anyone with suggestions for rsyslog with $AllowedSender UDP, 172.16.0.0/16 but having UDP messages from disallowed host discarded messages show up in my syslog log?
[14:57] <Fenix|work> hey zul
[15:03] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, has the Cluster Stack session been scheduled?
[15:03] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: yes, it should
[15:04] <Digby> Hi, I have just installed Ubuntu Server for the first time. I have a 2 x Vista PCs and this Ubuntu Server using the same Billion BiPAC 7300GA router. All workstations can access the internet the 2 vista pcs can see each other BUT my Ubuntu Server is invisible to the PCs and Vice Versa. Also the router did not recognise the DHCP server of the router when I installed Ubuntu so I had to manually give it an IP address. Does anyone ha
[15:04] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, It does not appear in the schedule though! Where can I find out when it is?
[15:04] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: errr
[15:05] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: it's not in the list of schedul-able sessions
[15:05] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: let me see
[15:06] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, ok :)
[15:07] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: strange
[15:08] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: it should be in the list, but it isn't
[15:08] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, that's weird
[15:08] <RoAkSoAx> :S
[15:08] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: will you be in the first server track session ? We can ask about it
[15:09] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, the puppet =etckeeper integration session?
[15:10] <ttx> yes
[15:11] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, yeah will be there
[15:11] <ttx> ok
[15:28] <Digby> quit
[15:48] <kane[uds]> morning
[15:57] <\sh> bug #483657 sounds more like a misconfiguration of provider regarding interface-mtu
[16:04] <ScottK> ttx: I'd like to get https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-more-mail-integration scheduled.  m!dz said you were the one to talk to.
[16:06] <ttx> ScottK: A track lead must first "approve" it for UDS-L.
[16:06] <ttx> ScottK: then it's in the scheduling system and I can help you
[16:06] <ScottK> mdz:  ^^^ Would you please approve?
[16:20] <mdz> ScottK, accepted, and added ttx to the list of people who can do that now
[16:20] <ScottK> mdz: Thanks.
[16:49] <ttx> ScottK: looking into it now
[16:52] <eix> with the 2.6.27-15 kernel update my server is no more booting, I get a file not found error. I have digged the problem and by specifying the correct path (it needed /boot before the kernel and initrd filenames) i get an initramfs because of partition not found (it is specified with uuid). then I  specified root=auto and I got an /init syntax error at line 190 or something like that (with...
[16:52] <eix> ...kernel panic). will the 8.10 rescue disk fix this issue? please help me :(
[16:53] <eix> *initramfs prompt
[16:53] <ttx> ScottK: it's not available for schedule in the summit system yet. I propose Wed 17:00.
[16:57] <eix> any ideas?
[16:58] <zoopster> eix: you can boot the 8.10 disk, mount the filesystem, and fix it, but the question is why did this happen? The update "SHOULD" not have fubar'd your installation
[16:59] <eix> zoopster: I have no idea why this happened..
[16:59] <zoopster> eix: so I suspect you have other issues - you cannot boot an older kernel?
[16:59] <eix> zoopster: the older -14 kernel says the same init syntax error
[16:59] <eix> zoopster: what could cause such init error? perhaps root=auto is failing to identify a root partition?
[17:00] <eix> zoopster: or perhaps an hard disk failure of the root partition?
[17:00] <eix> the server has a SATA disk and an IDE disk, boot partition is on the IDE disk while root partition is on the SATA disk
[17:01] <eix> however this has always worked in previous updates
[17:01] <eix> and I am sure no human intervention was done
[17:04] <zoopster> eix: not sure what is on line 190, but root=auto does not sound right - that should point to where the the kernel is found
[17:05] <eix> zoopster: yes but I read somewhere that it was supported
[17:07] <zoopster> eix: great, but if line 190 is that line and you get a syntax error then it's incorrect - I have never seen it listed that way...I have always seen root=(hd0,0) or something similar
[17:07] <zoopster> eix: sorry...that's root (hd0,0) no equals sign...my mistake
[17:07] <eix> zoopster: mistake: I am talking about the root kernel parameter
[17:08] <eix> zoopster: not the GRUB one
[17:08] <eix> zoopster: the default is kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-15-server root=uuid=... etc
[17:08] <eix> zoopster: and it always worked
[17:09] <eix> zoopster: but now I had to specify root=auto because the uuid is not recognized (it fails saying that time has elapsed and root device did not connect)
[17:09] <eix> zoopster: and because I don't recall the partition, so I thought auto would work
[17:10] <eix> root partition should be /dev/hda3 or /dev/sda3, but given that it changed so much over time..I typed auto
[17:11] <eix> (recent kernels should use /dev/sda3 if I recall correctly, however if it fails at seeing the uuid it is probably because that partition is somewhat broken)
[17:13] <eix> just to spice up things the BIOS cannot boot any USB stick, and RIP linux cds (both grub legacy and grub2) and system rescue cds don't boot
[17:13] <eix> the only booting CD is an ubuntu 2 cd
[17:13] <eix> now I am asking to try an ubuntu 8.10 cd
[17:16] <zoopster> eix: why not just run update-grub and see if that detects and fixes your menu.lst
[17:16] <eix> run update-grub from what?
[17:18] <baffle> Is there any documentation on setting up CLVM/clustering on Karmic? Should I use corosync? Is dlm in use? Does anyone really use clustering? :-)
[17:18] <zoopster> eix: cli
[17:18] <eix> zoopster: i cannot boot anything on this machine because cdroms dont work and USB sticks do neither
[17:19] <zoopster> eix: so you cannot even get to grub to manually run commands?
[17:19] <eix> yes I can get to grub
[17:20] <eix> ah you mean update-grub from grub command line?
[17:21] <eix> I'll give that a try in 10 minutes
[17:23] <zoopster> eix: so if your menu is hoarked but the kernel/initrd is good then just manually boot it and fix the menu
[17:23] <eix> zoopster: how can I if I get the init error?
[17:23] <zoopster> eix: once booted run update-grub to fix it for good
[17:23] <eix> zoopster: i can't because i get kernel panic (see my first post)
[17:25] <zoopster> eix: ok, my bad, I was making assumptions based on the information provided
[17:26] <eix> zoopster: ok - np
[17:26] <zoopster> eix: sounds like 1) you cannot boot from an alternative method and 2) you cannot boot what exists on your machine so you are pretty much hoarked.
[17:27] <eix> yes..
[17:27] <eix> i will have to ask to put the hard disk on another machine
[17:32] <ttx> ScottK, mdz: done. It is not appearing in the server track color, but otherwise it's alright
[17:34] <eix> somebody here?
[17:34] <eix> zoopster?
[17:34] <eix> I am now booting with root=/dev/sda3 and I get:
[17:34] <eix> mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed - no such file or directory
[17:34] <eix> mounting sys on /root/sys failed - no such file or directory
[17:34] <eix> these two very nice errors..
[17:34] <eix> and also:
[17:34] <eix> mounting /proc on /root/proc - no such file or directory
[17:35] <eix> maybe it's not /dev/sda3 and it is /dev/hda3 or something?
[17:35] <zoopster> eix: could be any partition...depends on how you set it up
[17:35] <eix> zoopster: yes but who recalls
[17:46] <eix> zoopster: I found (thanks to the tab autocompletion key) that my root partition is (hd1,0)
[17:46] <eix> shall I use /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 ?
[17:46] <eix> I mean for the kernel root= parameter
[17:49] <eix> with /dev/sda1 it is miserably failing with same errors
[17:49] <eix> I'll now try with /dev/sdb1
[17:49] <eix> is it possible that it wants me to use /dev/hda1?
[17:53] <Tohuw> regex question: I have a directory with files similar to this: foo, bar, foobar.old.1234, bar.old.1234, foobar.1234. I want to mv only the files containing "old". What's the proper expression?
[17:54] <zoopster> eix: hd1,0 is the 2nd disk, first partition
[17:55] <eix> zoopster: yep
[17:55] <eix> sdb1 worked
[17:55] <zoopster> eix: ok good
[17:55] <eix> zoopster: but I'll create a "live partition" for troubles like this
[18:00] <Tohuw> nvm, resolved: *.old.* is the pattern most specific to what I want
[18:17] <eix> oh sh*t. what is this error 15?
[18:18] <eix> i got it after using grub-install
[18:37] <soren> zul: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bridge-utils/+bug/483161
[18:37] <soren> zul: Clearly, /something/ is wrong.
[18:37] <soren> zul: It may not be bridge-utils, but just invalidating it will remove it from everyone's radar, and it'll never get fixed.
[18:38] <soren> zul: Perhaps you should open a debconf task instead.
[18:39] <zul> soren: done
[18:41] <soren> zul: ta
[18:42] <addisonj> okay, running into an odd problem, connecting from OSX to a server, and trying to get X to forward, it works from other computers, but not from this OSX box
[18:43] <addisonj> something to do with display issues that i don't understand?
[18:43] <addisonj> this is the error i get "nodename nor servname provided, or not known"
[18:44] <addisonj> /tmp/launch-jtkBSZ/: unknown host. (nodename nor servname provided, or not known)
[18:44] <addisonj> SLAM-GUI.py: cannot connect to X server localhost:11.0
[18:51] <KiLVaiDeN> hello guys, I've followed the ubuntu server installation guide, everything works fine exept that i can't access to my smtp from an outside network ( from localhost i can send email through it ), any suggestions ? what should I check ? I installed bind, postfix, dovecot
[18:51] <lamont> KiLVaiDeN: does netstat -an | grep LISTEN show something listening on port 25
[18:53] <KiLVaiDeN> lamont, yes : tcp6       0      0 :::25                   :::*                    LISTEN
[18:53] <lamont> it's quite possible that your ISP is blocking port 25..
[18:53] <lamont> can you connect to that IP from inside your network?
[18:54] <lamont> that is, from some other host ther?
[18:54] <KiLVaiDeN> it's my own box, there is no firewall yet installed on it to block ports
[18:55] <KiLVaiDeN> somehow u are right though : with telnet on port 25 from outside i can't access, but from localhost on the machine it works properly
[18:55] <KiLVaiDeN> though it can't be the isp since i'm the owned of the machine and i configured it just now
[18:56] <lamont> port 25 is frequently blocked by ISPs.  most notably inbound to port 25
[18:57] <KiLVaiDeN> where can i change the listenning port for the smtp ?
[18:59] <KiLVaiDeN> ok i found it i'm going to test
[19:01] <KiLVaiDeN> it works, you were right lamont thank you :) i thought that since it's my box i could configure any port i wanted...
[19:01] <KiLVaiDeN> well i can but isp seems to block it :/
[19:02] <KiLVaiDeN> now i'm on my way for spf configuration...... do you have a good tutorial for that, according to bind, postfix and dovecot ?
[19:03] <KiLVaiDeN> found it too : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix/SPF
[19:03] <KiLVaiDeN> thank lamont :)
[19:56] <stefg> Hi, i have a hotswap harddisk here that (stupidly) gets assigned /dev/sda although it's SATA Port (as seen by the BIOS) is #5. Writing a udev rule isn't a good solution, because it's not always the same disk which gets plugged in by that hotswap frame.  If i plug it in after boot it gets assigned sde (which is quite logical) but if it's plugged in at boot time it gets /dev/sda. Having...
[19:56] <stefg> ...googled for some time now i'm out of ideas how to prevent /any/ disk in that hotswap frame from ever becoming /dev/sda?
[19:57] <stefg> bte that'S jaunty
[21:22] <Fenix|work> Greetings and salutations
[21:27] <Fenix|work> does /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf get overwritten with updates, or is this file pretty much static?
[22:03] <Fenix|work> Any rsyslog implementers here for karmic?  I'm wondering what RSYSLOG_TraditionalFileFormat is
[22:13] <metalf8801> Does anyone know anything about WMS (warehouse management systems)? I would like to set up for a class I'm taking but I'm not sure if there is any free WMS  or a demo that I can set up myself I've taken a look at MyWMS but I'm not sure how to even install it
[22:19] <ricdanger> hi there
[22:19] <metalf8801> hi
[22:22] <billybigrigger> anyone here use wireshark? apparently i have no interfaces i can capture on
[22:23] <billybigrigger> i'm trying to do a filter on port 443 to see if my ssl tunnel for my newsgroup is working
[22:24] <ricdanger> billybigrigger: sudo?
[22:28] <ricdanger> zOMFG! 9.10 boots really really fast !
[22:33] <erik78se1> Can anyone tell me how to boot ubuntu in "interactive" mode, so that I get to choose which services that are started ? RedHat has the "Press I" thingy...
[22:33] <ricdanger> erik78se1: just setup the services with update-rc.d
[22:34] <erik78se1> But the problem is that my server goes into a error-state at boot time, after some services are started. I want to skip those.
[22:34] <ricdanger> select the recovery option on grub
[22:35] <erik78se1> ricdanger: tried that. No difference
[22:35] <ricdanger> what are the services?
[22:35] <erik78se1> winbind
[22:35] <erik78se1> I susspenct.
[22:35] <erik78se1> suspect
[22:35] <ricdanger> are you sure they boot on recovery mode?
[22:36] <erik78se1> Well, I'm not sure that winbind is the problem. But if I could boot the services one at the time, I will find out which service causes this error.
[22:36] <ricdanger> AFAIK, there is no way other than booting from the CD
[22:36] <ricdanger> or recovery mode
[22:37] <erik78se1> ok
[23:38] <ksoviero> Do you think it would be use full to have a "server-restricted-extras" package in the repos?  For things like zip, unzip, etc...
[23:54] <jakobks> ls: error while loading shared libraries: librt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:54] <jakobks> howto fix it, anyone can help me?
[23:58] <zash> jakobks: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=librt.so.1&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any
[23:59] <zash> jakobks: broken libc?
[23:59] <jakobks> ingen ide, det totalt underligt
[23:59] <jakobks> den skriver fejlen når jeg laver en site command til ftp serveren i mit ubuntu