[00:06] <troglobyte> twin view spreads the desktop across both monitors.  panels only on one unless you decide to add more to the second,
[00:06] <troglobyte> drag and drop, etc all work across both
[00:24] <Vonor> hi
[00:26] <Guest31371> xubuntu 9.10 ltsp install fails, syslog says that the packages libnewt0.52, libuuid1, ext2-modules and efi-modules do not exist
[00:37] <Mystique> hey all; anyone around?
[00:38] <Mystique> I've been trying to get apm working on 9.10.. used to work *perfectly* in 9.04
[00:39] <Mystique> should I try to get powersaved working?
[01:06] <owen1> anyone knows the name of the utility for setting up a usb stick where you can install ubuntu from the usb? (not the unetbootin)
[01:20] <dm_synck> Not sure. Tried searching Ubuntu forums ?
[01:35] <owen1> dm_synck: will do it now
[01:55] <owen1> can i install text-based xubutu with the desktop cd?
[01:56] <owen1> when i hit f6 (other options) i see: acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, edd=on, nodmraid, free software only
[02:01] <electrifiedspam> I have a working script that switches my caps lock and Ctrl. How can I have this run at startup?
[02:04] <Techie> electrifiedspam, add it into the statup commands
[02:04] <Techie> startup*
[02:05] <Techie> under sessions (im not in xubuntu, or even linux so i cant be precise)
[02:08] <dm_synck> For text based xubuntu, maybe you want the "minimal" cd.
[02:09] <dm_synck> You may have to poke around on the Ubuntu site to find it, but it is there somewhere.
[02:11] <owen1> dm_synck: got it. thank
[02:11] <dm_synck> Glad to help.
[02:56] <emma> Does xubuntu 9.10 use the latest kernel?
[02:57] <emma> owen1: im using that right now actually. Do you run Ubuntu of any kind currently?  If so just go to system > administrate > make bootable usb
[03:35] <owen1> emma: thanks. i finally installed it from a cd.
[04:34] <rkaran> any one know if there are packages for gvim available for Xubuntu 9.10?  sudo apt-get install vim-gtk does not seem to exist, neither do vim-gnome, vim-tiny
[04:35] <rkaran> sorry, I meant to say 'sudo apt-get install vim-gtk' does not seem to work as the package does not exist
[04:37] <C00LARR01> i am wanting to buy a usb wifi adapter and looking to see if anyone has any good experiece with a certain make and model?
[04:51] <Rapsod> hello, is anyone connected?
[04:51] <Rapsod> I am having installation issues
[04:56] <_Techie_> Rapsod, there are always people connected, just most of them are about as much use as a nail without a hammer
[04:57] <Rapsod> ok
[04:57] <_Techie_> as for me, im playing fallout 3
[04:57] <_Techie_> so dont expect any speedy answers
[04:58] <Rapsod> well, as so many people are online
[04:58] <Rapsod> more info
[04:58] <Rapsod> i was trying to install karmic
[04:58] <Rapsod> using the alternate cd since i have 256 ram
[04:59] <Rapsod> the live cd didnt want to boot
[04:59]  * likemindead wonders, "Why are there so many lurkers in here? :-\
[04:59] <likemindead> Did you run the "Check disc for defects" option, Rapsod?
[05:00] <Rapsod> yes
[05:00] <Rapsod> no error
[05:00] <C00LARR01> Rapsod: did you but it to cd or use a usb drive to try to install
[05:01] <Rapsod> also checked md5 of iso
[05:02] <likemindead> I know this is lame, but I've tried to boot A LOT of Live CDs on A LOT of different machines and sometimes you find one that just won't boot.
[05:03] <likemindead> No doubt there's a command you can enter to force it, but that'd be beyond me.
[05:03] <Rapsod> i use a cd
[05:04] <C00LARR01> Rapsod: i tried to install 9.10 on my laptop using the alternate install on my usb drive and it didnt work but the regualar one worked just fine
[05:06] <Rapsod> i also noted that each new version of *buntu is harder to install than the former one
[05:07] <Rapsod> the errors mass-appear on 'installing the base system' step
[05:08] <likemindead> Sorry that's been your experience, Rapsod, but I've installed every version of *buntu on many different machines with no problems.
[05:08] <C00LARR01> ya i have had no problems other than this 1 time with the alternate install
[05:08] <likemindead> If you don't *need* to be on the bleeding edge, I'd fall back to the Long Term Support Release, 8.04 now.
[05:09] <Rapsod> yay
[05:09] <likemindead> It'll be MUCH more stable.
[05:09] <Rapsod> that is a thing i didnt noted, however i already lost 2 cds
[05:09] <Rapsod> not that i am complaining, but
[05:10] <Rapsod> what would you recommend for the 8.04 alternate or desktop?
[05:10] <likemindead> Alternate will be faster. Especially if you have low specs.
[05:10] <Rapsod> excellent
[05:10] <likemindead> G'nite, all.
[05:11] <Rapsod> well torrenting now will see tomorrow
[05:14] <Rapsod> thanks for advice, all of you
[05:19] <chowells_> Is xfce supposed to do things like let you drag windows around by their menu bars?
[05:19] <_Techie_> it should
[05:20] <_Techie_> anyway, im gonna go install kubuntu on my other HDD
[05:20] <chowells_> I'm guessing xfce is crashing then.  my system is acting like it's not running any wm
[05:20] <chowells_> does it have a log somewhere?
[05:55] <CountDown> Is there a version of the 9.10 release for the PPC port that fixes the oversized ISO bug?
[07:27] <subspider> good morning everybody
[08:10] <c_wraith> huh.  where is disabling my trackpad's tap-to-click in the xfce settings?
[11:23] <Rapsod> hello, im getting this error while trying to install:
[11:23] <Rapsod> exception Emask 0x0
[11:25] <Rapsod> I disabled on bios Smart for hdd and it disappeared, but then came again later
[14:01] <robertf> Hello
[14:01] <robertf> !sources.list
[14:02] <robertf> Where can i find the xubuntu's netboot.tar.gz
[14:12] <wrgb> robertf: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[14:13] <robertf> wrgb> there is only ubuntu or not xubuntu
[14:22] <wrgb> Can't find one for Xubuntu, the documentation for network install says you can use the image from the alternate install cd
[14:24] <robertf> wrgb> ok; thank you
[14:42] <YeahRight> anyone here who could help me with smbmount maybe? i keep getting a mount error (112) : host is down reply while host is perfectly up
[14:43] <TheSheep> check the firewall
[14:44] <YeahRight> ok...easy to forget..i check but file sharing should be allowed
[14:46] <YeahRight> sheesh...you were right TheSheep..i feel stupid now though the range should be allowed
[14:46] <YeahRight> anyway thanks
[14:54] <anadgouda> i am setting up the kiosk mode using info in xfce wiki, but the xfdesktop settings don't seem to work
[14:56] <travkin> Hi to all! My issue: when i'm starting ANY application, my CPU goes up at 100%... In other distros i don't have this issue
[14:59] <anadgouda> travkin: does it happen only at application startup?
[14:59] <anadgouda> Anybody tried the kiosk mode?
[15:00] <travkin> anadgouda, yes
[15:00] <travkin> i also tried Ubuntu and Kubuntu, the same :( tried vesa too..
[15:00] <YeahRight> in synaptics manager what does the second column mean? thats the one were some packages have an ubuntu icon in front of their name
[15:02] <anadgouda> travkin: any information in the logs?
[15:04] <travkin> nope, for example, when I start terminal, in htop i can see that it uses only 10% of cpu, but CPU goes to 100%
[15:04] <travkin> goes up*
[15:05] <YeahRight> do you start any flash content by any chance?
[15:05] <YeahRight> cause i had the issue too and it was because of flash
[15:05] <YeahRight> any browser that might start maybe?
[15:06] <travkin> nop
[15:50] <CountDown> Is there a version of the 9.10 release for the PPC port that fixes the oversized ISO bug?
[20:24] <IulianISI> hi
[20:24] <IulianISI> I have a laptop DELL Inspiron 6400 with a ATI X1400 video card.
[20:24] <IulianISI> I've tried different approaches described on several forums but nothing is working properly. Now i have installed on my laptop the Radeon driver and i have some graphical acceleration but is working slow and the resolution is stucked at 1024x768.
[20:24] <IulianISI> I booted from the CD loads and everything worked fine and the ATI graphics acceleration worked really well.
[20:24] <IulianISI> How can i make it work like that on my installed version?
[20:25] <likemindead> Not sure, IulianISI. I avoid ATI. :-\
[20:26] <IulianISI> tx
[20:34] <j0inty> hi@ll....I have an IDE CD-RW burner which will detect as a SCSI drive and doesn't work with brasero,xfburn, because he can't detect read/write speed of this drive ! http://paste.ubuntu.com/320271/
[20:38] <FrozenFire[work]> Does anyone know of an XFCE panel widget which shows a text entry, to be passed to a command?
[20:38] <FrozenFire[work]> Similar to the look of the Verve widget
[20:38] <j0inty> does anyone known a workaround for older CD-RW drive that will not run und sci driver ??
[20:39] <j0inty> "und sci" = "under scsi"
[20:57] <FrozenFire[work]> Is there a panel plugin similar to xfce-generic-slider, but a text entry like Verve?
[21:37] <wwig> hello, may xubu run smooth on a p3 500 with 384MB RAM?
[21:38] <Sysi> i ran 8.04 with 256 and it was smooth, but current release is a bit havier
[21:38] <knome> the ram difference means a lot
[21:38] <knome> probably it'll run just fine
[21:38] <wwig> 9.10 is heavier than 8.04?
[21:38] <Sysi> a bit
[21:39] <wwig> how come?
[21:39] <knome> wwig, new xfce version, for example
[21:39] <Sysi> 9.10 still boots faster
[21:39] <knome> wwig, new stuff we have to keep up-to-date to keep up with ubuntu
[21:39] <wwig> ah ok
[21:39] <wwig> what would you suggest?
[21:39] <wwig> 8.04 or 9.10?
[21:40] <wwig> it should run on an old Matrox g200
[21:40] <knome> wwig, 8.04 if you want the smoothest possible
[21:40] <knome> wwig, 9.10 if you want to be adventurous ;)
[21:40] <wwig> :D
[21:40] <wwig> which is the most stable?
[21:40] <knome> well, 9.10 comes with lots of fixes and new features
[21:40] <knome> 8.04
[21:41] <wwig> more than 9.10? ohwow
[21:41] <C00LARR01> i would try 9.10 and if you dont like it go to 8.04
[21:41] <wwig> actually I run ubu 9.04 on a fast machine btw
[21:41] <wwig> ok I download both
[21:41] <wwig> I will install it on a newbie pc
[21:41] <C00LARR01> if you have a usb drive and use unetbootin it is very easy
[21:41] <wwig> newbie's pc
[21:42] <wwig> I don't
[21:42] <wwig> 9.10 is more userfriendly than 8.04?
[21:44] <knome> wwig, probably yes
[21:44] <knome> wwig, though it doesn't have a menu editor
[21:44] <knome> wwig, otherwise yes
[21:44] <wwig> cause that guy uses only winxp till now
[21:44] <wwig> he is a newbie of linux
[21:44] <wwig> and he is miffed about viruses
[21:52] <knome> wwig, does he need to edit the apps showing in his menu?
[21:52] <wwig> no
[21:53] <wwig> internet, a webcam, an lpt printer
[21:53] <wwig> and an usb adsl modem
[21:53] <wwig> office applications like writer
[21:54] <wwig> knome,
[21:55] <wwig> and porno websites lol
[21:57] <knome> haha
[21:57] <knome> okay
[21:57] <knome> hmm.
[21:57] <knome> maybe 9.10 then
[21:58] <knome> be aware that you might need to work with the hardware for a while
[21:58] <wwig> yes? why?
[21:58] <wwig> cause they are old?
[21:59] <PrebenR> hi! going to install Karmic, is the ext4 corruption problems fixed now or should I stick to ext3
[22:00] <Sysi> i've used ext4 for long time happily
[22:00] <knome> wwig, no, but because there might not be an open source driver for them, for example
[22:01] <wwig> an old epson printer
[22:01] <wwig> stylus color 640
[22:01] <wwig> and the Matrox g200
[22:01] <wwig> and the speedtouch adsl usb
[22:02] <PrebenR> Sysi, so no problems with large files
[22:02] <Sysi> no any problems yet
[22:05] <PrebenR> ok, I'll google a bit more to decide. Thanks!
[22:08] <Krukk> hi, just wonder can you help me, i want to install Wine on Xubuntu 9.04 bur the computer with xubuntu is not connected to the internet so can't download it through Add/Remove, I gotta download on the other laptop and copy it, the thing is i'm not sure which version should i download? how can i check it
[22:08] <Krukk> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html
[22:11] <knome> Krukk, wine is in the ubuntu repositories, you should download it there
[22:19] <jessejazza> How do folk find the 9.10 version
[22:20] <jessejazza> The face lift is good but i was more than annoyed to find that they haven't sorted the display resolution
[22:22] <knome> jessejazza, there is not much we can do about the display resolution stuff
[22:22] <knome> jessejazza, either the fix is in complete ubuntu (or complete X) or nowhere
[22:24] <jessejazza> Thing is there was nothing wrong with screens and graphics or displayconfig-gtk. But it is a gnome thing it seems to do away with it. fedora gets it to work okay so it is all down to ubuntu
[22:36] <knome> jessejazza, the xubuntu development team can affect only that little to gnome things happening in ubuntu. i'm sorry if we let you down
[22:38] <jessejazza> Sorry i don't follow. Do you mean you follow what the ubuntu development team do?
[22:39] <jessejazza> displayconfig-gtk worked really well and is still available in debian - no need for it to ever have been removed
[22:39] <knome> jessejazza, the ubuntu development team works on gnome and tries to make it work as good as possible. sometimes that work affects the xubuntu developers, and we have to fix things to make them work also in xfce/xubuntu. if the ubuntu gnome folks break something gnome-specific, we possibly won't go fixing it, since we have a lot of other things to do
[22:40] <knome> right, well, that sounds like a canonical/ubuntu gnome team decision which we really can't affect
[22:41] <jessejazza> Which is why i get a little annoyed with some of the u8nnecessary changes they do. I loved ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth is an immensely enterprising man.
[22:41] <knome> jessejazza, i really encourage you to talk about that in somewhere public and let also mark and the ubuntu team know that.
[22:42] <jessejazza> Is the October version meant as a test version prior to the April stable one?
[22:43] <knome> jessejazza, no
[22:43] <knome> jessejazza, there are LTS releases and there are non-LTS releases, but both are meant to be that stable they can be used withtout problems
[22:44] <knome> jessejazza, soem non-LTS releases might be bit worse then others, but that's a thing that just happens, when you have to release in 6 month cycle
[22:44] <knome> jessejazza, the LTS version is just getting some EXTRA care
[22:45] <jessejazza> That is what i thought. But just from experience it seems that the october versions try out new things and April puts right the odd thing that's wrong... as i see it
[22:46] <knome> jessejazza, not all of the april versions are LTS
[22:46] <knome> jessejazza, that's maybe just coincidence that this has happened
[22:47] <knome> an LTS release is only released every 2 years
[22:48] <jessejazza> yes i realise that about LTS. But the intermediate April non-lts version is still better [imho] than an october release
[22:48] <knome> pure coincidence then :)
[22:48] <knome> or maybe something else, but definitely not especially planned to be like that
[22:49] <jessejazza> what did you mean by your comment earlier that i should tell M. shuttleworth and others publically
[22:49] <knome> well i mean, they keep doing these decisions you don't like if nobody says "hey, we didn't like that"
[22:51] <jessejazza> ok understand... if i put my hand on heart i'd say i still support *buntu 100%. But after using Mepis - ubuntu with all it's staff are way behind a 'one man' job. If he can sort things why can't they
[22:51] <knome> or if you want to be even more recreative "hey, are you sure that was the right decision/thing to do"
[22:51] <jessejazza> good last point
[22:52] <knome> jessejazza, well there's the problem. enough people involved -> too much bureaucracy.
[22:53] <knome> jessejazza, important things have hit the bureaucracy before and failed and will continue to do so in the future also, if we keep the same governance structure up
[22:54] <jessejazza> Ah... oh dear. That's a pity. How much does Mr suttleworth actually RUN the organisation. I gather he lives in London when the rest of canonical is on the Isle of Man
[22:54] <knome> jessejazza, he does run it, but it's hard to see the little things that are affected when you run an organization this large, i admit
[22:54] <knome> jessejazza, but i think the word should move from mouth to mouth and back to mark that something isn't working
[22:55] <knome> possibly it is, but mark might be reluctant to act differently
[22:55] <knome> who knows
[23:04] <jessejazza> all i can say is that ubuntu introduced me to the world of linux. It has given more than other distros in many ways and i wish them the very best. But sorry some things have really niggled me. I gather the organisation runs at a loss. I can't help feeling that they would be better off producing an annual release well sorted