[00:04] <nixternal> JontheEnchilada: backport your lovely kdevplatform and kdevelop packages in lucid :)
[00:04] <nixternal> also, sync from debian should have said merge with debian
[00:28] <Lex79> JontheEnchilada:  wiki merge says webdev-kde4 should be merge, did you meant kdewebdev-kde3 ?
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: You about?
[00:37] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse-netbook__: You about?
[01:00] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yes I am around
[01:00] <nixternal> ooh, activities rock!  someone was talking about multiple screens earlier at UDS, well activities is just that and then some
[01:01] <nixternal> and the nice thing is, you can link your virtual desktops to separate activities
[01:01] <nixternal> so 4 virtual desktops is just that, 4 separate ones
[01:03] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: I am gonna go grab a bit to eat, so I will be afk for a few
[01:14] <DarkwingDuck> BLARG, missed you.
[01:15] <JontheEnchilada> Lex79: I copied it from last time, so probably I did mean -kde3 :P
[01:15] <Lex79> ok :)
[01:43]  * DarkwingDuck pokes nixternal again
[01:44] <jjesse> don't poke nixternal too hard he gets cranky
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> oh, there you are.
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> when doing the docs for kubuntu what do you use for the XML?
[01:44] <DarkwingDuck> Kate? Mallard?
[01:44] <jjesse> docbook xml
[01:44] <jjesse> is the markup
[01:45] <jjesse> i write the doc in kate or even sometimes nano :)
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> Yes I know
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> Okay.
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> I ran into this and wondered what you guys thought about it...
[01:45] <DarkwingDuck> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Philbull/MallardIntro
[01:45] <jjesse> isn't mallard the sepcification for GNOME
[01:45] <jjesse> hadn't looked much into it
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> Phils dream I think is to branch it into other ones too...\
[01:46] <jjesse> i know nixternal has a plan for restructiong the docs and getting them looking better for lucid
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> But, I think I'll just use Kate
[01:46] <jjesse> cause they suck right now
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> I'll wait for him and help...
[01:46] <jjesse> been trying to clean up the current bugs right now
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> Plaus the netbook stuff.
[01:46] <jjesse> and prepare for a karmic SRU hopefully
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> plus rather.
[01:46] <DarkwingDuck> SRU?
[02:06] <DarkwingDuck> BBIAB
[03:39] <Riddell> neversfelde: what's the status on amarok?
[03:40] <Riddell> ooh it's all done
[03:40] <Riddell> lovely
[04:36] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: You back?
[09:34] <Mamarok> JontheEnchilada: this might me interesting for you: http://www.purinchu.net/wp/2009/11/16/malloc_check_-crashes/
[09:36] <Mamarok> s/me/be/
[10:24] <ghostcube> ehlo :)
[12:07] <markey> heh, since when did you start to use this weird Sheriff badge a logo? :)
[12:07] <markey> it does look a bit odd
[12:08] <markey> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/karmic-countdown-banner/released.png
[13:54] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: sorry about that, I ended up watching a movie and then falling asleep last night
[14:28] <somekool> hi
[15:24] <nixternal> Riddell: we need to make 'Developer Membership Board' an admin of ~kubuntu-dev. I don't have power to do it, so can you please do that, and I can let them know they can check it off their "TODO" list
[15:25] <nixternal> Riddell: change them to an admin..I just noticed they were already approved
[15:26] <nixternal> ScottK: ^^ there :)
[15:27] <Riddell> nixternal: done
[15:28] <nixternal> now the TB is talking about Kubuntu being an LTS or not
[15:30] <Riddell> what's the gossip?
[15:31] <nixternal> seems positive thus far, not LTS for KNE of course
[15:31] <nixternal> Riddell: you probably know more about it than what I heard though, as you are supposedly in talks with them about it already :)
[16:21] <ScottK> nixternal: How did the kubuntu-dev discussion turn out?
[16:30] <Tm_T> ScottK: ugly, G-people raided in and forced Lucid to drop KDE entirely
[16:31] <Quintasan> lol
[16:49] <jussi01> haha
[17:13] <Quintasan> hmm guys, there is a problem with Parley
[17:13] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/QD8FuG.html
[17:13] <Quintasan> rough translation: Scripts below couldn't be activated because of errors:
[17:16] <Quintasan> Python Traceback for google_images.py -> http://pastebin.com/f2096e265
[17:18] <bdgraue> Riddell: plasma-widget-networkmanagement 0.9~svn1040607-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa3 don't work for me
[17:20] <Riddell> bdgraue: waa, in what way?
[17:21] <bdgraue> Riddell: with wlan i cant reach "the outside"  ping google.de    connect: Network is unreachable
[17:22] <Riddell> bdgraue: paste  route -n ?
[17:22] <bdgraue> can ping my router
[17:24] <Riddell> bdgraue: pastebin?
[17:24] <bdgraue> yes, working on it
[17:25] <Riddell> good point, I suppose it is hard to pastebin from a machine with no internet
[17:25] <bdgraue> ;)
[17:26] <bdgraue> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/71
[17:26] <bdgraue> Riddell:
[17:26] <bdgraue> fritz.box is m< router
[17:27] <Riddell> that's the problem which should be fixed by kubuntu_04_initialise_routeing.diff which is in that package
[17:28] <Riddell> bdgraue: killall knetworkmanager; knetworkmanager  and try again?
[17:29] <bdgraue> Riddell: the same result
[17:29] <bdgraue> ealso the same if i reboot
[17:29] <Riddell> bdgraue: did you have ~ppa2 installed before?  did it work with that?
[17:30] <bdgraue> works with lan, but not with wlan; had the pa2 installed and that didn't work, too
[17:30] <bdgraue> s/pa2/~ppa2
[17:31] <Riddell> meh, it's working fine for me
[17:31] <Riddell> jussi01: how's it working for you?
[17:31] <Riddell> bdgraue: the workaround is to run  sudo dhclient wlan0  after connecting with knetworkmanager if you need a quick fix
[17:31] <bdgraue> i have an samsung nc10 with ath5k driver
[17:31] <neversfelde> I can test, too. Where is the package?
[17:31] <Riddell> neversfelde: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[17:32] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu karmic main
[17:32] <Lex79> Riddell: I'm going to merge qt 4.6 beta if no one is already working
[17:32] <neversfelde> I never had any problems with my broadcom card, so I don't know what it's worth, but I will try
[17:32] <Riddell> Lex79: we already have 4:4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1 in ludic
[17:32] <bdgraue> Riddell: the workaround is good, thx
[17:32] <Riddell> which do I keep writing lucid as ludic?
[17:33] <Lex79> Riddell: oopps I meant RC1
[17:33] <Riddell> Lex79: oh cool, go for it
[17:33] <Lex79> yeah
[17:33] <Riddell> Lex79: put it into kubuntu-ppa/experimental for karmic too if you can
[17:33] <Lex79> ok
[17:37] <Riddell> Lex79: your merging speed is uber impressive, I'm sorry I've not been able to keep up with uploading them
[17:40] <Lex79> Riddell: eheh thanks for the compliment, we have time I think anyway...I still merge kdebindings, that is a beast!
[17:43] <neversfelde> Riddell: no problems with *ppa3
[17:53] <Riddell> dantti: I spoke to cjwatson about the debconf stuff, he said it should be ok but has some changes to suggest to stop it using internal dpkg APIs, he probably won't be able to reply until next week though since we're at the ubuntu summit
[17:54] <dantti> Riddell: hmm stop what using internal dpkg APIs?
[17:54] <Riddell> dantti: that's all I know, I think you'll just have to wait for his reply
[17:55] <dantti> Riddell: ok :D thanks for the info though..
[17:56] <Riddell> dantti: so we (kubuntu devs at UDS) are assuming that'll be ready for lucid and that polkit-qt-1 will be too so we can use the latest kpackagekit for lucid
[17:57] <dantti> Riddell: right.. i hope you switch to aptcc too :P so i get more users...
[17:57] <Riddell> dantti: what's the advantage of aptcc?
[17:59] <dantti> Riddell: I'd say speed + works better with localization and some other stuff, python backend seems to be trying to be fixing those problems butin speed terms it will never beat it.. :P
[17:59] <dantti> also things like mediaChange, simulateInstall|Update|remove.. and other stuff got in apt first..
[17:59] <dantti> *aptcc
[18:00] <dantti> I'm also planning to add a method to add media repositories (which will also be available in aptcc first)
[18:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do you have parley installed?
[18:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'm afraid not
[18:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: mind installing it for a second? I think we have a "srs" bug
[18:09] <Riddell> srs?
[18:09] <Quintasan> serious
[18:10] <Riddell> "the following script could not be activated"
[18:10] <Riddell> that it?
[18:10] <Quintasan> exacly,
[18:10] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/f2096e265
[18:10] <Quintasan> no module named Parley found
[18:12] <Riddell> I don't see a Parley.py in the sources
[18:13] <Quintasan> :/
[18:13] <Riddell> fregl: what are we doing wrong?
[18:14] <fregl> Quintasan: first, if the script does not work, it's not a "serious bug" it's just an inconvenience
[18:14] <fregl> then there was a bug, that I thought was fixed on lauchpad, maybe you could look for that?
[18:15] <Quintasan> there is a solution
[18:15] <Quintasan> libkrosspython0
[18:15] <fregl> well, that's needed in order to run the script, yes
[18:15] <fregl> so probably parley should just have that as recommend
[18:16] <Quintasan> LP says it's fixed in 4.3 but the bug survived somehow
[18:17] <fregl> splitting parley into a parley and a parley-scripts package would be nice, but I have no time currently
[18:17] <Riddell> that does seem to magically fix it, except for wikipedia_source.py
[18:18] <fregl> ah, so there is actually a bug in the wikipedia script?
[18:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: are you able to add Recommends: libkrosspython0 to kdeedu in bzr and make a debdiff for a SRU?  also inform debian team
[18:18] <fregl> maybe that one needs pyqt?
[18:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: sure
[18:19] <Riddell> fregl: http://pastebin.com/mbb654fe
[18:20] <fregl> ah, dang - it's some library used to get the stuff from wikipedia parsed, that seems to not work any more (???)
[18:20] <fregl> I wonder if it's py version or wikipedia that changed something
[18:20] <Riddell> Quintasan: so also edit packaging in bzr and SRU to not install wikipedia_source.py until that gets sorted
[18:21] <fregl> I haven't looked at this stuff for a while, might be that it really works nowhere...
[18:22] <fregl> I'll check if I can get it to work at home - here I have kubuntu and can confirm this bug
[18:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't need to add reccomends to package: parley, just to kdeedu?
[18:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: just to parley
[18:26] <Quintasan> aah, ok
[18:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can't find wikipedia_source.py in source, where do you have this file?
[18:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: or you mean wikitionary_sound.py
[18:41] <Riddell> Quintasan: that's the one
[18:42] <Quintasan> kay, I'm dch -i and a build away from testing
[18:43] <bipolar> I'm trying to build a package for Kubuntu. The package needs to ask some questions of the user. I'm using debconf for this right now. The problem I'm having is that KPackageKit has no debconf ability, and my user never gets asked these questions. How are others getting around this issue?
[18:44] <ScottK> bipolar: They really aren't.  We expect to have debconf support in Lucid.
[18:45] <bipolar> If I could find a way to script a simple popup box to ask the questions, that would be fine.
[18:45] <bipolar> ScottK: 0.o wow.
[18:45] <bipolar> I'm in trouble then
[18:46] <bipolar> Even if I have the package installed via aptitude, if it gets upgraded it needs to ask those questions again.
[18:46] <ScottK> bipolar: Can you ask the questions on first run instead of at install time?
[18:46] <bipolar> ScottK: Not really. It's a apt line that needs authentication
[18:47] <Riddell> JontheEnchilada, apachelogger: txwikinger says there is a bugzilla module which makes bugzilla talk to launchpad to swap bugs, I'll add to kubuntu-lucid-bug-triage-policy an item that we should investigate getting this turned on for bugs.kde.org
[18:47] <bipolar> So it pops up and asks for the users name and password, then puts that in the apt source line.
[18:47] <jussi01> that sounds a good idea Riddell
[18:47] <bipolar> ... then sets the apt source file to 600, and removes the password from debconf. it's really simple.
[18:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: just one more question, should I compare with 4.3.2 or 4.3.3 from PPA?
[18:49] <bipolar> ScottK: would it be possible to use KDialog from the postinst script, perhaps?
[18:49] <bipolar> Not sure how Kpackagekit would react to that
[18:49] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^?
[18:49] <ScottK> No idea.
[18:50] <bipolar> Only one way to find out I guess.
[18:52] <Riddell> I'm pretty certain that won't work
[18:52] <Riddell> dantti will probably be able to explain why it won't
[18:53] <Riddell> but it's certainly not debian policy compliant
[18:53] <dantti> bipolar: it won't work
[18:53] <dantti> bipolar: there is no X to connect to
[18:54] <dantti> bipolar: you should use debconf and wait till I add support for it ;)
[18:55] <bipolar> dantti: I'd have to remove packagekit to keep my package from getting broken though. It needs to ask for user/pass on every upgrade. :\
[18:56] <bipolar> dantti: can you think of any kind of workaround?
[18:56] <dantti> bipolar: that's why you use debconf in your package and wait..
[18:57] <dantti> bipolar: no, patching kpackagekit for just your package isn't good, actually this is the reason kpackagekit isn't in debian...
[18:57] <bipolar> dantti: I don't understand. If I use debconf, packagekit breaks my package. This is not an official kubuntu package, it's a package for a password protected company repo.
[18:58] <bipolar> am I missing something?
[18:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm doing it against 4.3.3 from PPA, alright?
[18:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: ideally both since it's not certain 4.3.3 will get into -updates
[18:59] <dantti> bipolar: the thing is PackageKit runs without X, tty... KPackageKit is just a frontend for it, but for it to be able to display custom questions it should have debconf support which I'm working on
[18:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: okay
[18:59] <dantti> bipolar: dantti.wordpress.com
[19:00] <bipolar> dantti: yeah. I read that post already while trying to figure out whats going on ;)
[19:00] <dantti> bipolar: you should use synaptic/aptitude..
[19:00] <dantti> PackageKit imo is not ready for debian based distros..
[19:00] <bipolar> dantti: ah. ok.
[19:01] <dantti> fedora packages for example don't ask questions during install
[19:01] <Riddell> glatzor: are there any plans to have software-properties use policykit?
[19:02] <bipolar> dantti: they don't? how do they configure packages then? Do you have to go back and manualy configure them after install?
[19:03] <dantti> bipolar: afaik they have the minimun requirements to be able to run, if not, you go and do it manually..
[19:03] <bipolar> hmmm... glad I use deb's then.
[19:03] <bipolar> dantti: thanks for the work on packagekit :)
[19:03] <Riddell> yeah, dantti rocks :)
[19:04] <dantti> bipolar: thanks.. :P
[19:04] <bipolar>  /cheer dantti
[19:04] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for dantti
[19:04]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to dantti.
[19:05] <dantti> Riddell: btw i think you 'd like to know i'm working on PackageKit session interface in the meantime collin doesn't give a proper ok..
[19:05] <dantti> Quintasan: lol
[19:05] <Riddell> dantti: session interface?
[19:06] <dantti> Riddell: it allows other apps (even gnomies) to search/install... things without writing all the complex code of KPK..
[19:06] <dantti> kpksmarticon handles that in kde and update-icon on gnome side..
[19:06] <Quintasan> dantti: don't want cookies? :>
[19:07]  * Quintasan grabs cookies from dantti
[19:07] <Riddell> dantti: what sort of interface is that?
[19:07] <dantti> kaffeine for example might try to install codecs for example..
[19:07] <dantti> Quintasan: hey give them back !
[19:07] <Quintasan> no way, *om nom nom*
[19:07] <Quintasan> :3
[19:08] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidPackaging  one spec for your reviewing pleasure
[19:08]  * dantti hopes Quintasan get a stomachake
[19:08] <Riddell> JontheEnchilada, apachelogger: please review the Design bits for the patch and unstable upstream policies to make sure they meet your exacting requirements
[19:08] <Quintasan> :<
[19:09] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for dantti
[19:09]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to dantti.
[19:09] <Riddell> ScottK: I added a sentence about Kaffeine
[19:11] <JontheEnchilada> looks fine to me :)
[19:11] <dantti> Riddell: there is a wrong sentence in that doc
[19:11] <JontheEnchilada> can't wait for 10.04
[19:12] <dantti> Riddell: KPackageKit > 0.5 doesn't require any policykit code...
[19:12] <Riddell> dantti: but packagekit does surely?
[19:12] <dantti> Riddell: yes, but not -qt..
[19:13] <Riddell> kpackagekit 0.5 needs packagekit 0.5 which needs polkit-qt-1
[19:13] <Riddell> as I understand it
[19:13] <dantti> no
[19:13] <Riddell> it could use polkit-gtk of course but that's not kubuntu happy
[19:13] <dantti> kpackagekit 0.5 needs pk 0.5 which needs polkit-glib or something..
[19:14] <dantti> policykit-kde would need polkit-qt
[19:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: is Virtuoso going to be ready?
[19:15] <Riddell> Quintasan: that's the impression I get, maybe I should clarify that we need to check with upstream on that in the spec
[19:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: I hope it will since using redland is impossible and we are unable to install sesame due to Java :/
[19:19] <Riddell> dantti, Quintasan: spec updated for virtuoso and policykit clarity
[19:31]  * Sput notes that Virtuoso and Nepomuk seem to be working OK on his (non-*buntu) box, so chances are good that upstream is in shape for KDE 4.4
[20:01] <Riddell> Sput: good to know
[20:03] <Sput> needing Virtuoso 6.0.0
[20:05] <Riddell> Sput: what do you use it for?
[20:07] <Sput> Riddell: nothing really, just making Akonadi/Nepomuk happy on KDE start :)
[20:07] <Sput> actually strigi still likes crashing while indexing files
[20:07] <Riddell> Sput: that was my next question, presumably strigi still takes up large amounts of disk thrashing and usage?
[20:08] <Sput> Riddell: mh, I didn't notice it being particularly annoying
[20:08] <Sput> it just stopped working after a while, but dunno what's the reason for it
[20:09] <Sput> it seems to auto-suspend though if your CPU is being in use, or you're on battery
[20:09] <Riddell> that's important
[20:19] <ScottK> Fortunately plasma-netbook crashed after the presentation was over.
[20:23] <Sput> hehe :)
[20:24] <amichair> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/1358202/Whats-Coming-In-KDE-44
[20:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: hmm it is still installed there, I added it to not-installed file, anything else I can do to prevent it from installing?
[20:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: you need to edit parley.install
[20:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: parley-data.install
[20:28] <Riddell> so instead of just including usr/share/kde4/apps/parley/ change that to all the individual files except the problem one
[20:28] <Quintasan> Riddell: there are some lines but usr/share/kde4/apps/parley/ is nearest what I'm looking for
[20:29] <Riddell> right, that says install everything under usr/share/kde4/apps/parley/
[20:29] <Riddell> so remove that and paste in all the output from  dpkg -L parley-data | grep usr/share/kde4/apps/parley/ | sed s,/,,
[20:29] <Riddell> then remove the problem file
[20:30] <Quintasan> ah, ok
[20:30] <Riddell> not-installed is just documentation, it's not used for anything except reminding packagers what they shouldn't put in .install files
[20:30] <fregl> Quintasan: thanks for caring about this :)
[20:31] <Quintasan> fregl: no probs :D
[20:43]  * ulysses__ is goint to test Lucid with TestDrive
[20:51] <bipolar> does kubuntu still have an update applet that doesn't use packagekit? I remember long ago there was adept-updater or some-such.
[20:52] <jussi01> !find adept
[20:52] <jussi01> !info adept
[20:52] <jussi01> bipolar: ^^
[20:59] <Quintasan> kay, lets listen to the translations meeting :O
[21:00] <yuriy> jussi01: that adept doesn't come with an applet
[21:03] <bipolar> jussi01: sorry for the delay... yuriy's right. There's no applet.
[21:03] <bipolar> jussi01: at least not in any package related to adept.
[21:04] <yuriy> bipolar: afaik there isn't one in karmic. update-notifier-kde from jaunty might work
[21:04] <ulysses__> testdrive up and running
[21:05] <bipolar> oh, boy
[21:08]  * bipolar goes to write a rant on his non-existent blog
[21:09]  * ghostcube does apt-get update && apt-get-upgrade  every day :) so no need for disturbing applets
[21:09] <ulysses__> Kubuntu Lucid: http://noob.hu/2009/11/17/lucid.png
[21:09] <ulysses__> (:
[21:09] <claydoh> there is/was an updater applet, but it is not working all the time
[21:10] <ghostcube> ulysses__: bah the cashew is soooo big
[21:10] <ghostcube> o.o
[21:10] <ulysses__> ghostcube: yeah, I run it in Virtualbox, the resolution is only 800x600
[21:10] <ghostcube> but rest looks fine
[21:10] <ghostcube> oh ok
[21:11] <ulysses__> after installed, I will install guest additions for full screen and cursor integration
[21:12] <bipolar> ghostcube: I wish I could get the 20+ people here, some with barely enough computer knowledge to turn the damn thing on, to remember to do that.
[21:15] <ghostcube> what how to enable the update notifier
[21:15] <ryanakca> When is the website session?
[21:15] <ryanakca> Ah, nevermind. Still in the future :)
[21:16] <Quintasan> damn I have to go
[21:19] <somekool> hi everyone. is there some artist who ever talked about making a kubuntu them that might be very much different than other KDE based distribution?
[21:20] <somekool> by the way, subversion under kubuntu should be shipped with kwallet support
[21:20] <ghostcube> anyone ever thought about making nice themes for kde-window-manager
[21:20] <ghostcube> o.O
[21:22] <ghostcube> but bipolaryou are right there is no icon at all popping up if i do apt-get update and i have packages to upgrade
[21:22] <ghostcube> this is new in karmic
[21:23] <bipolar> ghostcube: I can't use the update notifier. It uses packagekit, which can't use debconf (yet) so it trounces the config for my packages every time it upgrades.
[21:25] <ghostcube> ah ok that explains why i dont see upgradable packages in any notifier :)
[21:27] <ulysses__> TestDrive seems to hanged up. I choosed the language, clicked to 'Next', and nothing since than
[21:27] <bipolar> I guess I'm going to have to put an icon on the users desktop that runs the upgrade, and make sure they use it.... at least on the laptops. Maybe I can do something with cron for the workstations.
[21:28] <ulysses__> Ok, I wanted to exit, and i got a crash report, shall I report it?
[21:30] <ulysses__> Problems don't come alone ;)
[21:30] <ulysses__> plasma crash
[21:39] <ryanakca> I don't want to talk in -presidente since I'm rather ignorant on the subject, but, would it be possible to have upstream's translations set as "holy" / unchangeable in Rosetta, and then have people translate the untranslated strings, and forward those upstream? That way you don't have people degrading upstream's high quality translations, but you still get strings that upstream hasn't translated translated...
[21:40] <claydoh> ryanakca: I am ignorant as well, and was coming to the same idea as you
[21:40] <Tm_T> speak up, please
[21:41]  * Tm_T sucks at explaining things
[21:41] <Tm_T> or poke someone to speak up (:
[21:41] <claydoh> yes, ryanakca speak up :)
[21:42] <ulysses__> #484452
[21:42] <ulysses__> bug 484452
[21:42] <ulysses__> thanks ubottu
[21:44] <Mamarok> claydoh: ping
[21:44] <Mamarok> seen that survey Dotan started? *sigh*
[21:45] <Tm_T> Mamarok: in ML ? hrrrr
[21:46] <claydoh> Mamarok: yes, tho it has only one response
[21:47] <claydoh> better in some web survey i say
[21:48] <claydoh> Mamarok: I don't see an option in mailman to send out a monthly message to a list, other than a password reminder note
[21:48] <claydoh> I have edited the list's description, though
[21:51] <claydoh> I may just create a generic mail and simply remember to send it out myself at the start of each month:)
[21:53] <claydoh> but it would look better coming from the list itself, and not a list 'cop' :D
[21:54] <amichair> why are there separate bug reports under lp/software-properties and lp/ubuntu/+source/software-properties ?
[22:00] <Riddell> amichair: it's normal that open source projects have upstream bug trackers and downstream distro bug trackers
[22:00] <amichair> who's upstream in this case? isn't that us as well?
[22:00] <Riddell> amichair: in this case it's a bit silly and probably lp/software-properties shouldn't be turned on, but then where would debian users file bugs.  there's no good answer to the upstream/downstream bug question
[22:01] <Riddell> blame glatzor, he's both upstream and downstream :)
[22:03] <amichair> ok now I get it, thanks :-)
[22:04] <amichair> Riddell: so sp is used outside of kubuntu as well?
[22:04] <Riddell> amichair: ubuntu desktop and debian use it
[22:04] <Riddell> and probably some other derivatives of each
[22:05] <amichair> oops I meant ousdie u/kubuntu, but I see the answer is yes
[22:05] <amichair> cool, then I helped even more ppl! I feel all warm and fuzzy inside :-P
[22:05] <Riddell> :)
[22:07] <ulysses__> bug 460352
[22:07] <Tm_T> amichair: quick back to fridge before you melt down
[22:08]  * amichair jumps right back into the fridge
[22:08] <amichair> that was a close one!
[22:11] <ScottK> somekool: I've tried building svn with kwalleet support and it failed to build.  It's on my list for Lucid (the lack of kwallet support in svn is an open security bug against he package in Launchpad currently.
[22:12] <amichair> is there any concrete bug-closing operation plan for this release? (other than a general intention)
[22:13] <Riddell> amichair: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-lucid-bug-triage-policy
[22:13] <Tm_T> ScottK: kwallet support in where?
[22:14] <Riddell> Tm_T: "subversion" if I read backscroll correctly
[22:14] <ScottK> Tm_T: svn.  Starting with the version we have in Karmic it supports keeping passphrases in gnome wallet (or whatever they call it) and kwallet
[22:15] <ScottK> Unfortunately only the gnome wallet support is enabled at configure time.
[22:15] <Tm_T> ScottK: ooh, I thought you meant svn version of some app
[22:15] <ScottK> No, svn svn
[22:15] <Tm_T> ScottK: that sounds neat, although KDE is moving to git
[22:15] <Tm_T> svn is not going away anyway
[22:16] <ScottK> It's useful in general for wherever you use svn
[22:21] <amichair> Riddell: how about the one-time cleanup, and the bugs that will remain? is there a plan to crack down on them?
[22:22] <Riddell> amichair: "fix them all"
[22:22] <bipolar> dantti: let me know when you've got something functional on the packagekit/debconf front... I'll test for you :P
[22:22] <Riddell> amichair: this cycle is an LTS so we should be spending more time on bug fixing and less on new stuff
[22:22] <Riddell> infact almos tnone of new stuff
[22:23] <ulysses__> yeah, Lucid works with english language
[22:23] <amichair> Riddell: I know, what I'm trying to ask is if this is just an intention, or if there's an actual plan (bug days, bug weeks, picking specific packages and having everyone work on them together on given dates, etc)
[22:25] <maco> apachelogger: kubuntu+translations http://identi.ca/notice/14948968
[22:25] <maco> oh
[22:25] <maco> apachelogger: nevermind :( ulysses__ is here
[22:25] <ulysses__> hello (:
[22:25] <Riddell> amichair: currently no, but it mostly just needs someone to coordinate it
[22:26] <Riddell> ulysses__: identica is not a bug tracker!
[22:26] <maco> er that was sposed to be :)
[22:26] <maco> Riddell: he already linked the bug in lp way back up there
[22:26]  * maco poits
[22:26] <maco> [15:42:19] <ulysses__> bug 484452
[22:26] <ulysses__> sorry Riddell, I reported the bug (just updated the description)
[22:27] <Riddell> oh phew :)
[22:28] <Riddell> ulysses__: hmm, dunno what the problem is there, but ubiquity bugs are usually processed quite fast so it's likely to get sorted
[22:28] <Riddell> if not just poke shtylman__ :)
[22:28] <ScottK> ulysses__: Can you try to install with Kubuntu netbook?
[22:29] <ScottK> The reason in Hungarian is on the ISO for netbook and so it'll help with troubleshooting.
[22:29] <ulysses__> is there a daily image from netbook ISO?
[22:29] <ScottK> (not it doesn't fit on CD, you'll need to move it to USB or burn it on a DVD)
[22:30] <ScottK> ulysses__: Was the crash Karmic release or Lucid?
[22:30] <ulysses__> ScottK: Lucid daily 20091117
[22:30] <maco> s/crash/krash/
[22:30] <ScottK> Ah.  OK, let me look
[22:30]  * maco snickers
[22:30] <ulysses__> maco: thanks
[22:31] <ScottK> ulysses__: Yes. http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/20091117/
[22:32] <Riddell> ah, lucid, who knows what works then
[22:32] <Riddell> worth seeing if it crashes with other languges then
[22:32] <neversfelde> I need a MOTU :)
[22:32]  * ScottK looks at maco
[22:32] <maco> neversfelde: yes?
[22:32] <neversfelde> for reviewing minitube http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/minitube
[22:32] <ulysses__> rsync needs about 15 minutes to download the netbook image
[22:33] <maco> neversfelde: looking
[22:33] <neversfelde> maco: thank you
[22:34] <maco> though i get the impression you have more experience with new packages than i do :P
[22:34] <neversfelde> maco: :) it took me some time to package this and I am really not sure about it
[22:35] <neversfelde> but I have a good contact to upstream and it is a really promising app
[22:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Does "This file is part of a Qt Solutions component." mean it's something Qt apps are meant to embed or it's part of Qt that shouldn't be used as a code copy?
[22:39] <Riddell> it's something Qt apps are meant to embed
[22:39] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[22:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: My testsite is broken at the moment, should I bother fixing it for the meeting in twenty five minutes?
[22:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes if you can
[22:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: Or will we go with Ofir's mockups? (Preferable imho, much nicer than what I have)
[22:45] <ryanakca> OK
[22:46] <Riddell> would be good to see both
[22:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: will you be around for the meeting?
[22:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: Supper is ready, so, I should be. I may be a couple of minutes late.
[22:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Since I'm such a whiz at web design and marketing, I was thinking I'd skip the next session and go listen to sabdfl.
[22:48] <neversfelde> our users say we need chm support for okular, is there a reason why that is excluded?
[22:48] <maco> neversfelde: er, none of the source code has copyright notices at the top... i thought that was needed aside from debian/copyright, but ScottK would know better
[22:48] <Riddell> ScottK: we'll just allocate all the tasks to you then :)
[22:48] <ScottK> maco: That's not absolutely required.
[22:49] <ScottK> Riddell: And they'll get done with my usual quality for web design and marketing.
[22:49] <neversfelde> maco: mhh, isn't a COPYING file enough? I Ido not know either
[22:49] <ScottK> It is.
[22:49] <Riddell> neversfelde: chm is not in main
[22:49] <Riddell> next question is why
[22:50] <neversfelde> Riddell: so I should write a MIR right after the Amarok backport request :)
[22:50] <ScottK> I didn't grep all the source, but there are some files from Qt with Nokia copyrights that are LGPL 2.1 or GPL 3, so the GPL 3 COPYING file is sufficient
[22:51] <Riddell> neversfelde: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chmlib/+bug/236113
[22:53] <somekool> ScottK: i think there is an error in subversion itself somewhere for this specific libs. for me it builds successfully but fails at make install
[22:53] <neversfelde> Riddell: mhh, not good
[22:54] <ScottK> somekool: Would you please report the bug to subversion bug tracker then.
[22:55] <Riddell> neversfelde: it's probably possible to create a separate source package just for the chm plugin, but that's always hassle
[22:56] <neversfelde> Riddell: I will have a closer look at it. I did not know, but chm seems to be an ebook format that is needed
[22:57] <neversfelde> err support is needed
[22:57] <ScottK> neversfelde: I think talk to upstream about the issues and see if they've been addressed or they are willing to work on them.
[22:58] <neversfelde> ScottK: ok
[23:00] <Blizzz> chm is valueable if you suddenly have an ebook an you harddrive in this format important for $study, i remember
[23:00] <ulysses__> shutting down and going to sleep, good night o/
[23:15] <maco> neversfelde, ScottK: ok
[23:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: ... stanford, right?
[23:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hi
[23:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: /join #ubuntu-uds-stanford
[23:52] <neversfelde>  /join #ubuntu-uds-stanford
[23:58] <maco> neversfelde: ummmm its built in pbuilder but i have to make a lucid vm before i can test it
[23:58] <maco> gimme like an hour
[23:59] <neversfelde> maco: feature freeze is next year, isn't it :) Thank you for reviewing it.