[00:02] <mathepic> Is the recommended setup for mailing lists to have an open PROJECT-users team for the main mailing list?
[00:02] <mathepic> I wanted to have it hosted in the "dev" team, but that didn't work because its moderated, and thus all the emails have to be moderated.
[00:02] <poolie> mathepic: i don't know if that's officially recommended but it makes sense to me
[00:02] <poolie> yes it should be separate from the actual dev team
[01:05] <flacoste> mwhudson: around?
[01:06] <jml> flacoste, he just went for lunch
[01:08] <ajuonline> how do I copy code/bugs etc from a different project/series to a branch of other project?
[01:10] <jml> ajuonline, for bugs, you can just change the project that they affect
[01:10] <jml> ajuonline, for code, you need to either re-push the branches or use the API, IIRC.
[01:12] <ajuonline> jml: repushing saves all commit history from the team?
[01:12] <ajuonline> s/saves/retains
[01:12] <jml> ajuonline, yep.
[01:14] <dtchen_> hi, folks, I have a brief (and hopefully elementary question): I'm trying to fix https://edge.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/trunk so that git imports work correctly. Either I'm suffering a senior moment, because I can't easily find how to change the git:// uri, or I'm up a creek.
[01:14] <ajuonline> jml: is there a document on this I can look?
[01:14] <jml> ajuonline, https://help.launchpad.net/ is your best bet.
[01:15] <jml> dtchen_, you can't (for various boring reasons). you can ask us to, IIRC.
[01:15] <jml> dtchen_, if you are using edge, you should be able to delete the import and create a new one
[01:15] <lifeless> dtchen_: so if you click on the branch (with the signpost icon), then there is a link on the right hand side
[01:16] <jml> (maybe. I just added the feature and haven't actually verified it on edge yet)
[01:16] <lifeless> dtchen_: I'd like to know if you have access to edit the code import
[01:16] <lifeless> (you probably don't)
[01:16] <lifeless> dtchen_: what should the git url be?
[01:16] <jml> dtchen_, hmm. that's an svn import.
[01:16] <wgrant> Altering the URL, especially to anothre type, sounds like everything will die.
[01:16] <lifeless> snap, I just noted
[01:16] <lifeless> definitely needs a fresh import
[01:17] <dtchen_> url = git://git.0pointer.de/pulseaudio.git
[01:17] <dtchen_> lifeless: I don't appear to have access; there's nothing on the trailing vertical edge that leads me to believe that I have such access
[01:17] <lifeless> so we can rename the trunk to trunk-svn
[01:17] <lifeless> and let you make a new one for the git import
[01:18] <lifeless> dtchen_: [re access] - on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/pulseaudio/trunk ?
[01:18] <dtchen_> lifeless: correct
[01:18] <lifeless> kk
[01:18] <jml> dtchen_, is there an option there to let you delete the branch?
[01:18] <lifeless> dtchen_: I've renamed it to trunk-svn
[01:19] <dtchen_> jml: only "delete series"
[01:19] <lifeless> dtchen_: please request a new import
[01:19] <wgrant> jml: Why would there be? He doesn't own it.
[01:19] <lifeless> then we can link it into the series
[01:19] <lifeless> wgrant: vcs-imports doesn't want responsibility
[01:19] <jml> wgrant, I recently patched Launchpad so that you can delete vcs-imports owned branches if you registered the import.
[01:19] <mwhudson> flacoste: here now, but still munching
[01:20] <flacoste> mwhudson: ok, i'm uploading the minimal zconfig file you need to the bug you reported
[01:20] <wgrant> jml: Won't new ones just be owned by the registrant?
[01:20] <dtchen_> jml: interesting. I suppose it's worth nothing that I did *not* register the import; the previous owner (Bogdan) did.
[01:20] <flacoste> mwhudson: i'll file a merge-proposal, ideally we shouldn't require such a file
[01:20] <flacoste> mwhudson: but that should unblock you
[01:20] <mwhudson> flacoste: not my bug, but thanks :)
[01:21] <wgrant> Or the commit message is misleading.
[01:21] <dtchen_> The previous owner no longer wished to maintain the LP bits, so he turned it over to ~ubuntu-audio-dev upon my request.
[01:21] <jml> dtchen_, ahh ok. that makes me happy then :)
[01:21] <jml> wgrant, yes.
[01:21] <jml> wgrant, I did both.
[01:21] <wgrant> jml: Ahh, handy.
[01:21] <jml> wgrant, thanks.
[01:21] <jml> flacoste, is this the launchpad.conf bug? it's blocking bazaar.edge.launchpad.net
[01:22] <flacoste> jml: yes
[01:24] <spm> jml: to be fair - blocking is harsh - I'm still trying to get the apache configs setup as well. for such simple files ther's a mass of Aaaaaa moments in there. :-)
[01:24] <jml> spm, oh, I see.
[01:24]  * jml apologises for the unnecessary emphasis
[01:24] <jml> btw
[01:24] <jml> is the topic still relevant?
[01:25] <wgrant> The first isn't.
[01:25] <wgrant> Not sure about the second.
[01:25] <lifeless> spm: is it metaprogrammable?
[01:25] <lifeless> that is, can we write something to generate staging, edge, production apache stuff correctly, from one source & a listof machines?
[01:25] <spm> lifeless: the apache config? doubt it. it's subtle and interesting gotchas between multiple IPs, SSL and varying domains.
[01:26] <spm> eg. I'm splitting bazaar.launchpad.net to get baz.edge; but this ALSO impacts on codebrowse.launchpad.net
[01:26] <lifeless> spm: Well, you're the one with the problem :). I will note that I got openswan configs fully automated some while back :)
[01:26] <spm> heh
[01:27] <spm> lifeless: tho this is an issue for us across the board - we've been looking at eg cfengine, puppet etc. time....
[01:27] <spm> need more time.
[01:27] <dtchen_> lifeless: forgive me for being dense, but which link should I be using?
[01:27] <lifeless> up front vs chipping away
[01:27] <dtchen_> lifeless: e.g., https://edge.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/+addseries ?
[01:27] <mwhudson> i would still like to make the security of private branches less dependent on rewritecond
[01:27] <lifeless> dtchen_: I don't know :) There is a help page about it.
[01:28] <lifeless> dtchen_: We want to use the existing trunk series, don't we?
[01:29] <spm> wgrant: I believe the first is still relevant; just that we've done some evilness to reduce the impact. "delete from table where...." I'm personally happy to leave that not in the topic till resolved. fwiw.
[01:29] <wgrant> spm: The person who put it there has closed the bug.
[01:29] <spm> hah. leave that *note*.
[01:29] <spm> srsly?
[01:29] <dtchen_> lifeless: I don't know if it much matters. (I think I found the url -- https://code.edge.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new ?)
[01:31] <dtchen_> ok, submitted. Many thanks!
[01:33] <mwhudson> branch updates are thoroughly caught up afaict
[01:45] <lifeless> dtchen_: on this url - https://edge.launchpad.net/pulseaudio/trunk
[01:46] <lifeless> there should be an edit link somewhere, to let you change the branch
[01:46] <lifeless> you should select the new pulseaudio trunk import
[01:51] <dtchen_> lifeless: yep, done. Thanks!
[11:46] <allenap> henninge: Hi there, can I prod you to take a look at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/90080 please?
[11:46] <henninge> allenap: sure
[11:46] <allenap> henninge: Thanks!
[11:47] <henninge> strange, I did that this morning but must have forgotten to reply.
[11:48] <henninge> allenap: thanks for reminding me ... ;-)
[11:49] <allenap> henninge: Oh brilliant :)
[12:10] <rowinggolfer_> greetings.
[12:11] <rowinggolfer_> I am astonished at the speed with with packages in my ppa are being built at the moment. From upload of source packages to working deb is taking <15 mins at the moment.
[12:12] <philip_stoev> hello, do you know how I can get notification for new blueprints and the status changes for all existing blueprints for a particular project? I am a member of two projects, and for one I do get all notifications, and for the other I get none, and I can not seem to find where the magic toggle button is.
[12:49] <allenap> rowinggolfer_: That's great to hear :) What was your experience like before?
[12:50] <allenap> philip_stoev: I'll see if I can figure that one out...
[12:50] <rowinggolfer_> allenap, when karmic was being released, >24 hours.
[12:51] <rowinggolfer_> it was getting to the point where I was going to ask my beta testers to run the latest bzr rather than wait for the ppa.
[12:52] <allenap> rowinggolfer_: I heard something about lots of machines from the build farm being re-purposed to hosting the release ISOs or something similar. Sounds like they're back in the farm :)
[12:53] <philip_stoev> allenap: thank you!
[12:55] <allenap> philip_stoev: Looks like there's a very old bug asking for notification of new blueprints: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/3765
[12:55] <allenap> philip_stoev: And I would imagine that you can only get updates for blueprints you're subscribed to.
[12:56] <rowinggolfer_> allenap, makes sense.
[12:58] <maxb> allenap: LP seems to have failed to process my push to this branch: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~svn/ubuntu/hardy/subversion/ppa - is someone likely to want to debug it, or should I just delete and re-push?
[12:59] <maxb> meh, and now I *say* that, it goes and does it
[12:59] <allenap> maxb: Heh, cool.
[12:59] <philip_stoev> allenap: thanks for the information. The weird part is that I am getting blueprint status notification changes on blueprints I never visited in my life , so I did not subscribe to them.
[12:59] <maxb> it looks like re-pushing, even though bzr said "No revisions to push" was enough to tickle LP to rescan
[13:38] <allenap> philip_stoev: How odd. Do you have a link or two? I'll see if I can work it out.
[13:40] <philip_stoev> allenap: this is the project I get blueprint emails from https://launchpad.net/mysql-sandbox
[13:40] <philip_stoev> allenap: and this is the project I don't - https://launchpad.net/randgen
[13:40] <philip_stoev> allenap: maybe it is that if the entire team is put into the Asignee field of the blueprint as it is created, then people would start getting notifications?
[13:41] <allenap> philip_stoev: Do you have a link to a specific blueprint? I think it'll help if I start from something specific.
[13:41] <allenap> philip_stoev: I would think so, yes.
[13:44] <philip_stoev> allenap: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/randgen/+spec/simplifier-use-config-files
[13:46] <allenap> philip_stoev: Ah, I meant a specific blueprint that you do get emails for.
[13:47] <philip_stoev> allenap: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/mysql-sandbox/+spec/add-status-script-to-sandboxes
[13:50] <allenap> philip_stoev: Yes, like you say, it looks like it's just because of the assignee. I can't find any other reason. Sorry to not have better news.
[13:51] <philip_stoev> allenap: no problem, that would be good enough.
[14:08] <allenap> sinzui: Thanks, you rock.
[15:47] <soren> I'm confused.. Say I'm looking at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~txaws-dev/txaws/trunk and want to see what r43 (lifeless' PEP-8 changes) is all about.. I click on it, and what loggerhead shows me is something completely different. How does that make sense?
[15:50] <exarkun> Many of those links do seem bogus.
[15:59] <allenap> abentley: soren noticed that links to revisions in loggerhead are on crack above. Do you have a few minutes to take a look?
[16:03] <abentley> soren, allenap: The branch data is buggy-- if you run bzr log lp:~txaws-dev/txaws/trunk, you'
[16:03] <abentley> soren, allenap: ll see it has a revision -1.
[16:04] <abentley> soren, allenap: If you run reconcile on the branch, I expect you'll get consistent behaviour between loggerhead and launchpad.
[16:05] <allenap> abentley: If the reconciled branch is pushed, do you think it'll break other people's branches, or stacking?
[16:06] <allenap> abentley: The branch owner is an open team, so I could fix this myself, but I don't want to break the branch for others.
[16:06] <abentley> allenap: It won't break stacking.  It's possible that people will need to pull --overwrite before they can push again.
[16:07] <allenap> abentley: Okay, I'll get in touch with the team before I do anything then. Thanks.
[16:13] <sinzui> henninge: My IRC went belly up.
[16:13] <sinzui> I lost your last message or two
[16:16] <exarkun> How do branches end up with buggy data?
[16:29] <allenap> exarkun: I'm emailing txaws-dev about it, would you like me to CC you?
[16:32] <exarkun> Sure, thanks.  exarkun@twistedmatrix.com
[16:32] <allenap> exarkun: Cool, done.
[17:41] <doctormo> intellectronica, flacoste: hello, are either of you at UDS atm?
[17:41] <intellectronica> doctormo: i am
[17:41] <doctormo> intellectronica: Are you in a session currently?
[17:41] <intellectronica> doctormo: currently hacking downstairs in the bar
[17:42] <doctormo> intellectronica: Be down to pick brains
[17:42] <intellectronica> look forward
[17:43] <doctormo> intellectronica: what do you look like
[17:43] <intellectronica> doctormo: i look awful. don't get your hopes up
[17:44] <doctormo> tshirt?
[17:44] <intellectronica> doctormo: more helpfully, i am wearing a grey stripy long sleeve and hacking on a netbook
[17:44] <intellectronica> and sitting next deryck who's hacking on a giant mac
[17:44] <fab1_> Hello, is a mailing list admin here?
[17:45] <fab1_> I would like to change some options for my list, especially the reply-to field
[17:46] <fab1_> It's seems it's not possible on the LP admin pages, but can an admin change that?
[19:59] <_koshi_> Hi. I deleted an unused series of my project springlobby earlier today, unaware that this would mean losing the translation setup/as of then unsynchronized new translations. Is there any way to get those back?
[20:04] <thumper> _koshi_: I don't think so, but the person to check with would be sinzui, danilo or jtv
[20:04] <sinzui> _koshi_ no there is not
[20:05] <sinzui> There is some irony here though
[20:06] <sinzui> _koshi_: your series was really assigned to junk project because we cannot really delete any series that has translation information. I have no idea how we could locate your lost series and move it back your your project
[20:08] <sinzui> hence we say that deletion is permanent. The feature was added because users were creating series by accident. once a series has had actual work done on it, it is much better to mark it obsolete. You can then reactivate it later
[20:08] <_koshi_> ah well, thanks for the swift answer anyways
[20:08] <_koshi_> hmm, alright. i learned that much then
[20:09] <_koshi_> should it have been obvious to me that i was deleting the translations alongside? aka how big of a fool have i been?
[20:10] <sinzui> No, it is not obvious because the delete screen should have explained that would be deleted. It will say that about milestones. I will report a bug about this
[20:14] <_koshi_> ok, my explaining of this will not need the 'i was a really big idiot' prefix then, only the 'i was a tad careless' one ;-)
[20:14] <_koshi_> thx
[20:53] <pkern> Hi, could some admin please process libinfinity's translation import queue?  I.e. https://translations.launchpad.net/libinfinity/trunk/+imports
[21:17] <h00k> Greetings, I have a question regarding Mailing Lists for a LoCo team.
[21:18] <beuno> h00k, shoot
[21:18] <h00k> Well, the Wisconsin LoCo (http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-wisconsin) does have a mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-wi) but it is not listed under Mailing List
[21:19] <beuno> h00k, listed in Launchpad?
[21:19] <h00k> beuno: I am now the Lead Contact for the Wisconsin LoCo, I'm trying to get things organized properly:)
[21:19] <h00k> beuno: correct, it isn't listed in Launchpad
[21:19] <beuno> Launchpad deson't model mailing lists outside of launchpad
[21:19] <beuno> (yet)
[21:19] <beuno> so you just need to addd it to the descrption or something
[21:20] <h00k> so the lists.ubuntu.com/etc mailing list is handled by Ubuntu, not Launchpad, correct?
[21:20] <beuno> h00k, correct
[21:20] <h00k> beuno: is this something to be implemented in the future?
[21:20] <h00k> I did notice (yet)
[21:21] <beuno> h00k, yes
[21:21] <beuno> it's in our plans
[21:21] <h00k> alright, noted.  I'll keep my eye out, then.
[21:21] <h00k> Thanks for the help
[21:21] <beuno> welcome
[23:45] <sproaty> how can I get debuild -S to produce a .deb for me without waiting on uploading/buildng on LP?
[23:46] <wgrant> sproaty: Omit the -S.
[23:46] <wgrant> sproaty: -S means 'source only'
[23:46] <sproaty> whoops
[23:46] <sproaty> thank you, you've helped me many times here :)
[23:48] <wgrant> lamont: Any issues with my lp-buildd branch?
[23:48] <lamont> wgrant: only with pushing it back to pqm....
[23:48] <lamont> working with bigjools on dealing with that
[23:48] <wgrant> lamont: Great, thanks.
[23:48] <wgrant> Now I just need to finish the Soyuz bits.
[23:48] <wgrant> Stupid exams.
[23:48] <lamont> though I suppose I should actually review it, too.
[23:49] <wgrant> Probably.
[23:49] <wgrant> The pkg-create-dbgsym bits were merged last week.
[23:50] <lamont> wgrant: +1
[23:52] <wgrant> lamont: Thanks.
[23:58] <wgrant> lamont: Any progress on the 3.0 format front?