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WeatherGodanybody know French?00:20
WeatherGodbug 483867 has an odd paragraph that google translate isn't getting anything useful out of00:21
ubot4Launchpad bug 483867 in ubuntu "UBUNTU  9.10 AROBASE ET CLAVIER" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48386700:21
yofelmr_steve: when asking a reporter for additional information (as you did in bug 483821) , please set the bug status to 'Incomplete' and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status for more information00:30
ubot4Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48382100:30
mr_steveWoops, I usually do, guess I missed it on that one00:34
WeatherGodAny idea what we should tell "Dr. Karl Schueler" about the lack of "high quality" CAD programs for Ubuntu?00:46
WeatherGodbug 48391300:47
ubot4Launchpad bug 483913 in ubuntu "no high quality CAD packages ?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48391300:47
WeatherGodperhaps I could ask him what sort of CAD softwares has he tried yet00:50
WeatherGodtry to get a sense of what his definition is for "Good"00:51
WeatherGodbut, still I think this should be moved to a question, not a bug00:51
yofelbug 480304 - nice bug title, does anybody speak... portuguese I guess?00:59
ubot4Launchpad bug 480304 in ubuntu "suauauuaua" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48030400:59
micahgyofel: I keep this handy: http://translate.google.com/translate_t01:01
WeatherGodI just tried01:02
WeatherGodgoogle isn't liking it01:02
WeatherGodthe best I  get is with spanish01:03
hggdhyofel: I speak Portuguse01:03
hggdhit's Spanish ;-)01:03
yofelyeah, google translate gives the sanest translation with spanish... I still can't make any sense ofit01:04
WeatherGod"wave messaging programs"?01:04
hggdhI need some programmes like IM and downloaders and the Motorola I6 software01:04
micahgLANG=es_CO.UTF-801:04
WeatherGodah01:05
hggdhColombian Spanish01:05
hggdhnow, this really is not a bug...01:05
yofelmicahg: ah, didn't notice, good point :)01:05
hggdhtransform in a question01:05
micahghggdh: were you in the bug workflow session?01:06
hggdhmicahg: yes, but it was not really dealing with triaging as much as how the desktop people can profit more01:06
micahgTHis one: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-bug-management01:06
hggdhnext session (I think on Wed) should be more on triaging01:06
hggdhyes01:07
hggdhBTW -- I could not wave back cuz I had my laptop turned off01:07
micahg:)01:07
micahgso people saw me?01:08
hggdhand your point will be carried on this this next meeting01:08
micahgah, ok01:08
micahgsame spec?01:08
hggdhnot sure, let me check01:08
micahgI was going to talk to pitti01:09
hggdhI *think* it is the desktop bug Workflow on Wed 1200-1255 but there is no blueprint01:10
micahgah, so, should I talk to pitti, or wait?01:10
hggdhtalk to pitti. Peer pressure helps ;-)01:11
dtchen_WeatherGod: FYI, #483855 is *very* unlikely to be an alsa-driver/linux bug.01:11
dtchen_WeatherGod: I would triage it to affect totem.01:11
WeatherGodthat the mms one?01:12
dtchen_yes.01:12
micahghggdh: will you be at the adopt an upstream session tomorrow?01:12
hggdhyes01:13
WeatherGodyeah, I haven't moved it yet01:13
WeatherGodI wanted to get more information to describe the issue01:13
WeatherGodwhere should I put it in the meantime?01:13
dtchen_bug 483932 makes me very sad.01:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 483932 in ubuntu "sound is broken in Ubuntu 9.10 KK" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48393201:39
dtchen_WeatherGod: was that addressed to me? If so, WRT what?01:40
WeatherGoddtchen_, you mean my last statement?01:40
dtchen_20:13 < WeatherGod> where should I put it in the meantime?01:41
WeatherGodI was asking where you would like me to place that mms bug report in the meantime while I wait for more information?01:41
dtchen_WeatherGod: please triage it to affect totem instead of alsa-driver01:41
WeatherGodok01:41
dtchen_WeatherGod: thanks.01:41
WeatherGoddtchen_, I don't know why that report makes you sad...01:42
WeatherGodI am lol-ing here01:42
dtchen_the bug report is incomprehensible, and the reporter appears to have added what he feels are the appropriate projects01:44
WeatherGodoh, he added those projects?01:44
dtchen_yes01:44
dtchen_it's very unlikely to be related to any of those01:44
mr_stevepersonally, 483932 makes me giggle01:44
WeatherGodcome on dan... your drivers are making farting noises on my computer01:45
WeatherGodthink of the children!01:45
WeatherGod:-P01:45
dtchen_I don't care about children, only kittens!01:45
mr_steveI would never possibly be able to explain to the people around me why I'm laughing all the sudden01:45
WeatherGodkittens are the spawn of the devil01:45
WeatherGodI don't imagine you could01:46
mr_stevewrt to bug #483888 the OR says ubuntuone died when he reset his router.. Should that INVALID, with a note to report it if it happens any other time? On the other hand, it probably shouldn't actually crash if the connection dies..01:47
ubot4Launchpad bug 483888 in ubuntuone-client "I was told to report a bug - dunno why - i reset the router and thats when it happened" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48388801:47
WeatherGodhonestly, who thought that ubuntu one was ready?01:47
micahgwfm01:48
WeatherGod?01:48
micahgworks for me01:48
WeatherGodheh01:48
micahgmr_steve: if it crashed, that is a bug01:48
mr_steveThat's kinda the direction I was leaning, once I thought about it a bit01:49
micahgmr_steve: might want to make the title more useful and check for dupes01:49
mr_stevehmm... "UbuntuOne crashes when internet connection dies?" I bet I can find a dupe or two01:50
micahgmr_steve: bug 45839301:53
ubot4Launchpad bug 458393 in ubuntuone-client "BadTransition: SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45839301:53
micahgupstream is in LP :)01:54
micahghggdh: do you know about upstream + Ubuntu tasks where LP is used for both?01:54
mr_stevemicahg, perfect, thanks!01:55
WeatherGodwhat sort of platform is lpia?01:57
hggdhmicahg: you mean when upstream *is* Ubuntu?01:57
micahghggdh: no01:57
hggdhoh01:57
hggdhI see01:57
micahgWeatherGod: Low Power intel Architecture iirc01:57
micahghggdh: where LP is upstream for the upstream project01:57
hggdhmicahg: if I remember correctly, Bugzilla is now based on LP/bazaar01:57
WeatherGodah, ok, never heard of it01:57
micahglike Ubuntu one01:57
hggdhmicahg: but I am not sure they are opening bugs in LP01:59
micahgwho01:59
hggdhbugzilla01:59
micahghggdh: not talking about bugzilla01:59
micahgwhere did bugzilla come from?01:59
hggdhupstream +UBuntu02:00
micahgupstream for Ubuntu One is LP02:00
micahgwas wondering if we have tasks for upstream in LP and Ubuntu in the same bug02:00
micahgor we treat it like bmo or bgo and link02:01
hggdhI think it is still done. Apport is another one02:01
micahgyes, so for a bug in one of those packages with a bug upstream, do we dupe the upstream and add an Ubuntu task?02:02
micahgor add a link to the upstream bug (in LP) as an upstream task02:02
hggdhas far as I can understand we would just add the upstream task, with no bug linked (it is already there)02:03
micahghggdh: what if the bug is open in the upstream project already?02:04
hggdhoh02:04
hggdhthen, I guess, add an Ubuntu task to document the issue on an Ubuntu release02:04
micahglike that bug mr_steve jsut had02:04
micahgok, that's what I was wondering...02:04
hggdhnot sure, thou02:05
hggdhthis has the potential to get confusing02:06
micahgright02:07
hggdhor nominate for release?02:07
micahghggdh: should I add it to meeting notes for dec?02:07
hggdhI should use UDS to discuss this02:07
hggdhyes, certainly02:07
micahgok, how about in the Adopt an Upstream session? :)02:07
hggdhheh. No better place, I guess02:07
hggdhnoted02:09
WeatherGodthere is something that came up earlier that mr_steve and I noticed02:12
hggdhyes?02:12
WeatherGodwe came across a few reports today of some odd freezes (mr_steve himself is experiencing it).02:12
WeatherGodhe is on karmic-proposed02:12
hggdhkernel, gnome, or what type of freeze?02:13
WeatherGodgiven that this behavior all of the sudden started happening, it makes me suspect that an update caused it02:13
WeatherGodit is weird...02:13
WeatherGodessentially, the desktop stops responding to anything except in the focused window02:14
hggdhcan you sysreq-r, and go to a terminal?02:14
WeatherGodnope02:14
WeatherGodsorry, misread that... is sysreq-r the same as doing Ctrl-Alt-F1 stuff?02:15
hggdhsort of -- it releases the keyboard from X, *then* you can alt-ctlr-f102:16
WeatherGodhmm, never heard of it02:16
hggdha.k.a. magic key02:16
WeatherGodkinda wondered what that button does02:17
WeatherGodhere is one of the more sparsly described reports: bug 48382102:17
ubot4Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48382102:17
hggdhsome people have it on different key combinations (on mine is Alt-PrntScrn for the sysreq, then the key for the command)02:18
WeatherGodhow can I pull up the log for earlier today?02:18
WeatherGodI know I mentioned it around 4:30 my time02:18
hggdh!log02:19
ubot4Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/02:19
JeruvyWeatherGod: system logs and use the calendar to select the day, you may need to revert to the compressed archives if the day you want isn't in the current file02:19
WeatherGodok, one of the more descriptive ones: bug 48383202:21
ubot4Launchpad bug 483832 in xorg "AMD64x2, Nvidia, Gnome and KDE, no virtual ttys, and shell in konsole or gnome terminal dies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48383202:21
WeatherGodand then mr_steve's description:02:24
WeatherGod<mr_steve> WeatherGod, I ran into that last night, typing in Pidgin. It looked to me like a compiz hang, no windows would respond to mouse events, but I could still type in whatever window had the focus <mr_steve> But I never did find out what happened. I tried to restart compiz, and everything just went all downhill from there02:24
WeatherGodthanks for help finding the logs02:26
hggdhWeatherGod: I do not know. Possible video, or (generic) X, or kernel. I would start with X/video -- the logs attached to this last bug do not show kernel oops02:27
WeatherGodbut, my concern is that 3 people have reported something very similar within a very small window of time02:27
WeatherGodwhat if it was something in Karmic Proposed?02:28
hggdhit might be. Do all three have the same video card?02:28
WeatherGodwouldn't it be prudent to have packages hold off from being moved to accepted until this is figured out?02:28
hggdhin other words, what are similar on the three>02:28
hggdh?02:28
WeatherGodno clue, you would have to ask mr_steve for his setup02:29
hggdhwell... *which* packages would you hold off?02:29
WeatherGodwell, looking at proposed, most of the packages are translations02:29
hggdhwe do not know what is causing it, it is difficult to decide what to hold off02:29
WeatherGodthe only one that wasn't translations in the past day was libindicate02:30
hggdhwhich should not cause a freeze on X02:30
WeatherGodI know, but I would hate to see this end up in the general community02:30
WeatherGodbut the fix dealt with some dereferencing of DBus objects02:30
hggdhI agree, but -- and an important 'but': we are seeing the consequences, *not* the causes02:31
WeatherGodright02:31
WeatherGodit could just be a driver issue if they all have the same video02:31
WeatherGodcard02:31
hggdhyes, same card, same model, same revision02:32
WeatherGodcall it a hunch.... spidey sense02:32
hggdh:-)02:32
hggdhhunches are good. They just need to be validated02:32
mr_steveOoh, what are we asking mr_steve?02:33
WeatherGodanyway, I thought it would be prudent to raise my concerns02:33
WeatherGodwhat is your video card?02:33
hggdhwhat are we asking *all* three?02:33
mr_steveIntel i945GM02:33
WeatherGoddamn02:33
WeatherGodthe more detailed report is an Nvidia02:34
WeatherGodAcer Aspire02:34
hggdh:-)02:34
hggdhso video driver seems to be off02:34
mr_steveHeh, I'm an Acer Aspire too. Must be a different series02:34
hggdhstill, X is in02:34
WeatherGodwhich Acer Aspire, bug 483832 is 752002:35
ubot4Launchpad bug 483832 in xorg "AMD64x2, Nvidia, Gnome and KDE, no virtual ttys, and shell in konsole or gnome terminal dies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48383202:35
mr_steve3680 here, the cheap one02:35
WeatherGodand  the other guy mentioned he uses a laptop, but doesn't say which model02:37
mr_steveWhat's interesting about 483832 is that when I experienced the similar problem from uh.. 483831, I could still switch VTs02:37
WeatherGodalthough, oddly enough, he said "...and can tell you that happens just every day I use the laptop"02:37
mr_steveThere was no effect on the console at all, only X02:38
mr_steveerr I meant bug #48382102:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48382102:39
WeatherGodmr_steve, does this seem to happen randomly?02:40
mr_steveAlso there's a very specific symptom mentioned in 483821, that of the cursor being stuck as the text selection cursor, that isn't in 48383202:40
mr_steveSo far, it's only happened to me once02:40
mr_steveI absolutely hate random bugs...02:41
WeatherGodme too02:41
WeatherGodand based on what is said in 483832, it is noted that it happens for both Kubuntu and Ubuntu02:42
WeatherGodso Gnome and KDE are out02:42
WeatherGodthat same guy also mentioned that the Konsole did not respond to keystrokes02:43
WeatherGodhmm, the 483821 report says that he could not close the window, but the other report said that he could, I think02:44
mr_steveYeah, that's the weird part. In my case, the focused window still got keystrokes, at least until I killed compiz to restart it. Then nothing much worked at all. F12 would still pull down my guake terminal, but I couldn't type in it02:44
WeatherGodhmm, maybe they are different...02:46
WeatherGodstill, it is odd02:46
WeatherGodone thing is that the two reports have noted that this happens  frequently02:46
WeatherGodwhile it only happened once for mr_steve02:46
mr_steveI'm about 70% certain that they're two different issues.02:47
WeatherGod"my usual approaches do not work here"02:47
WeatherGodbetween who?02:48
WeatherGodwho would you say you are most similar to?02:48
mr_steveI still think 483821 is the same as what happened to me, and 483832 is a seperate issue02:49
mr_steveI just remembered some other weirdness, too02:49
WeatherGodoh?02:50
mr_steveI had installed kubuntu-desktop earlier that day to play with KDE, and I set kdm as display manager. On reboot, I got corrupt graphics, including the virtual consoles02:50
mr_steveHad to chroot in from the livecd and switch back to gdm02:50
WeatherGodhmmm, so you had both desktop environments available, which the other person also stated02:52
WeatherGodbut we don't know about the 483821 report02:52
mr_steveAnd I have noticed there's plenty of bizarre interactions when having both installed02:52
WeatherGodnever had an issue with my Fedora machines02:53
WeatherGodthen again, I use Gnome almost exclusively02:53
mr_steveIt's mostly minor things, like the policykit auth dialogs, and PGP passphrase entry. They're system-wide, not desktop-dependent. So you get KDE dialogs in Gnome, or vice-versa02:54
mr_steveIf I keep thinking too hard about these bugs my head might explode02:56
WeatherGodheh, know the feeling02:56
mr_steveHeh, I just noticed a bug filed against yelp that actually does seem to be a yelp bug. That's refreshing.02:57
WeatherGodwell, maybe we will get more info from the other guy02:57
mr_stevebug #48392602:57
ubot4Launchpad bug 483926 in yelp "not able to open ssh_config man page in yelp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48392602:57
WeatherGodhaha02:57
mr_steveUnfortunately I can't reproduce it.02:57
mr_steveAlso, I'm intrigued by bug titles that make me have to search Wikipedia: bug #48392902:58
ubot4Launchpad bug 483929 in firefox-3.5 "Restore Session doesn't follow Fitts Law" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48392902:58
WeatherGodFitts Law?02:58
micahgyeah, it's that you want to position things so that it's easiest to click the common choice02:59
mr_steveLearn something new every day. Anyone remember old mouse utilities that could position the cursor over the default button on a dialog?03:00
micahgmr_steve: are you triaging that bug?03:00
mr_steveNot at this time, I just happened to glance at it03:01
micahgok :)03:01
WeatherGodI can't reproduce the yelp one either in 9.0403:01
micahgWeatherGod: well, if it works in jaunty, but not in karmic, it should be tagged regression-release03:02
mr_stevemicahg, I'm on karmic and can't reproduce it either03:03
micahgoh, well that's a different story :)03:03
mr_steveI'm 100% sure the OR has already made sure the manpage is viewable in 'man' itself... but maybe it should be asked anyway?03:04
mr_steveKind of a "Are you sure it's plugged in?" question03:05
micahgnever assume03:05
WeatherGodyeah... kinda going into that mode with my "epic" bug report03:06
WeatherGodDoris, the 60 year old03:07
WeatherGodshe finally realized she had to take the cap off the usb thumb drive before pluging it into the computer03:08
Jeruvylol03:10
Jeruvyin fairness some caps are not really obvious to the uninitiated03:10
WeatherGodtrue, but it has been quite an... interesting... bug report03:11
PorkSodaAny body have a clue if/what bug may prevent vlc controls from showing? When I open vlc the video plays but I get no controls or right click context menu.03:11
JeruvyPorkSoda: is this during playback?03:11
WeatherGodI have decided to keep it contained in that report, rather than splitting it to multiple reports03:12
PorkSodaJeruvy, Any time03:12
PorkSodaFullscrenn or not03:12
JeruvyPorkSoda: hmm not sorry, during playbck the controls float and I've lost them a few times myself, but my only other guess may be theme related..?03:12
PorkSodaYea, problem is, I can't get in to vlc's options or anything. No menu pops up when I right click inside the video etc03:14
PorkSodaI haven't changed vlc's theme "ever"03:14
PorkSodaI tried a reinstall of vlc even though that hasnt really helped me much in the past. But I think I should try to remove everything again, xine included :/03:15
JeruvyPorkSoda: I'm not sure, but there should be a way from the command line to access or set the options you need.  Not something I've done a lot of so I'd refer to the manual on it.03:17
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fcuk112hi, i am a member of bugsquad but am unable to set bugs to TRIAGED status in LP - why is this?06:37
mac_vfcuk112: bugsquad cant do that06:39
fcuk112mac_v: what membership do i need?  strange, i thought that was what bugsquad was for...06:40
micahgfcuk112: you need to be a member of bug-control06:48
fcuk112micahg: alrighty, thanks - just applied for it.06:51
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yofelcan somebody a from 9.04 upgraded karmic confirm bug 480147?10:45
ubot4Launchpad bug 480147 in ubuntu "/etc/fstab mentions vol_id but that has been replaced by blkid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48014710:45
yofelI only have fresh installs here10:46
yofel*sigh*11:25
yofelI can't remember who it was, but somebody said in the UDS session about bug workflow yesterday (as a joke) to put up a big sign on LP when roporting bugs that the bug title was choosing for you by apport and that it's a good one, so don't change it!11:27
yofelnow when I see something like bug 482999 I think that might actually be a good idea -.-11:28
ubot4Launchpad bug 482999 in linux "achitecture" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48299911:28
yofel(that's a kernel-oops report)11:28
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LimCorehow to report a bug?  via web page.13:28
LimCorealso, how to report a bug against the lanuchpad web page13:30
LimCoreaaaah, here it is!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect    Bad idea.13:33
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mr_steveIs there any special reason Bug #403408 can't be marked triaged? Preferably High-importance? It's pretty severe and has more than enough info as far as I can tell15:45
ubot4Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40340815:45
cRUDEany aspire 4930 user here?16:47
cRUDEwould just like to report that the suyin webcam is working16:47
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ericrostwhere should I file a bug against ubuntu's default config for proftpd?17:42
ericrostproftpd doesn't accept bugs on launchpad, but its not an upstream issue17:43
WeatherGod!info proftpd17:43
ubot4WeatherGod: Package proftpd does not exist in karmic17:43
WeatherGodheh, what is proftpd?17:43
ericrostHighly configurable GPL-licensed FTP server software17:43
ericrostfrom: https://launchpad.net/proftpd17:44
ericrostrunning out of repos on hardy server17:44
micahgericrost: ubuntu-bug proftpd if you have a desktop handy17:44
ericrostand this disagrees with ubot4: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=proftpd&searchon=names&suite=karmic&section=all17:44
ericrostmicahg: ?17:45
ericrost!info proftpd-basic17:45
micahgericrost: do you have an ubuntu desktop or only a server?17:45
ubot4ericrost: proftpd-basic (source: proftpd-dfsg): Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon - binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.2-3 (karmic), package size 780 kB, installed size 2008 kB17:45
ericrostdesktop17:46
ericrostas well17:46
micahgericrost: what version?17:46
ericrost9.04 on my desktop, 8.04 on my server17:46
ericrostrunning a productionish environment so I can't migrate til winter break17:47
micahgericrost: from the command line on your desktop: ubuntu-bug    proftpd-dfsg17:47
ericrostahh, k17:47
ericrostI'll hafta reboot into it, I'm in my fedora environment right now17:47
ericrostis there a we interface?17:47
micahgyeah17:48
ericrostweb*17:48
micahgericrost: instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net17:48
ericrostlaunchpad points directly upstream17:48
ericrostI went there first17:49
ericrostbut its not an upstream issue its a sane defaults issue17:49
micahgdid you read the link?17:49
ericrostwell, it links to a nonexistent page17:49
ericrostand I was at the package that I wanted to file against17:49
micahgcorrect, you have to READ and not just click :)17:50
ericrostyes, I did17:50
ericrost:)17:50
micahgyou have to replace PACKAGENAME in the link17:50
micahgwe're trying to encourage people to use the built-in reporting tools on the desktop, that's why it's like this17:50
micahgPACKAGENAME is proftpd-dfsg17:51
ericrostyep, no page there17:51
ericrostand proftpd points to upstream17:51
ericrostlike I said when I came in here17:51
ericrostI started on launchpad17:51
ericrosthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/proftpd-dfsg/+filebug17:52
ericrosthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/proftpd/+filebug17:52
micahgthat's not the link17:52
WeatherGodmaybe this is a Ubuntu meta thing?17:52
WeatherGodsince it is a config issue17:52
micahgthis is the starting place : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd/+filebug17:53
micahgadd ?no-redirect on the end17:53
micahgsorry, apparently, it wasn't the dfsg name...17:53
micahgoops17:54
ericrostahh, that could be a little more clear, since the package I installed was gproftpd17:54
micahghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd-dfsg/+filebug17:54
ericrostrather proftpd17:54
micahgthat's the correct one17:54
micahgericrost: there are source packages and binary packages17:54
micahgyou install binary and file bugs by source17:54
ericrostwhen I search for that project in launchpad it indicates essentially that it doesn't want bugs against it17:55
micahglp can find the source for you17:55
ericrostjust fyi17:55
micahgericrost: you're not filing against the project17:55
micahgericrost: you're filing against ubuntu17:55
micahgin the package17:55
ericrostok17:55
micahgericrost: if you don't know which source package a package is in you can search here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/17:55
ericrostI'll use the built in tools next time17:56
ericrostwas just solving the prob over in #proftpd and fig'd I'd toss the bug up17:56
micahgericrost: thanks17:56
ericrostbut I'm in my eclipse dev environment, which has no good packaging on the debian side17:56
ericrostso I'm in fedora17:56
micahgericrost: eclipse was packaged for 9.1017:57
ericrostworking?17:57
micahgidk, I just download from eclipse :)17:57
ericrosthuh, I'll hafta check it out when I move to 9.1017:57
ericrostit was "packaged" before that, just not in a working state17:57
micahgafter my current project, I was going to try the built in17:57
micahgericrost: before this, is was many years old17:57
ericrostyeah, I'll give it a whirl17:57
ericrostI know17:58
ericrostI use it for database dev stuff17:58
micahgthe problem is we're limited on resources17:58
ericrostand pulled my hair out trying to get a packaged version on the ubuntu side, and I don't want to just leave a static version laying in my /home dir17:58
micahgwell, if you want to help package things, there are people willing to help you learn17:59
ericrostthat's why I have a distro and not just a collection of packages :)17:59
micahgyes, but the distro is maintained by mostly voluneteers17:59
ericrostI might, I'll be doing some plugin dev work for pay soon17:59
ericrost@ my day job17:59
ericrostsadly I have to do it on a xp box18:00
ericrostI've got my own issues with that whole can of worms wrt canonical right now18:00
ericrostI may be migrating off of ubuntu for ethical reasons soon18:00
micahgethical reasons? ugh...18:00
ericrostvolunteers maintaining stuff but they're monetizing a bunch of stuff every time they get a chance18:01
ericrostwith odd plugins and adverts in the OS18:01
WeatherGodadverts?18:01
WeatherGodwhere?18:01
micahgericrost: odd plugins?18:01
ericrosthave you logged into the terminal lately through ssh?18:01
micahgyes, they sell a service18:01
ericrostmonitor your systems and landscape18:02
ericrostyep and that's an advert18:02
micahgericrost: do you think companies runs without money?18:02
ericrostbut we're all volunteers, right?18:02
micahgericrost: not all18:02
WeatherGodericrost, RedHat does this too18:02
micahgthere are some paid people18:02
micahgotherwise, Ubuntu wouldn't be able to do what it does18:02
ericrostredhat seems a bit more upfront about it18:02
ericrostits not the monetization per se that I have issue with18:02
WeatherGodUbuntu is a project that Canonical shepards18:02
ericrostits the ways they've done stuff18:03
ericrostthe multisearch plugin for one18:03
WeatherGodbut, if Canonical ever goes under, Ubuntu can continue18:03
micahgWeatherGod: unlikely18:03
ericrostbreaking ppl's google pages without much notice through a plugin that you can't remove in the distro's firefox18:03
WeatherGodbut, it could18:03
WeatherGodoh, that webfav thing?18:03
micahgericrost: it was only on an alpha devel release18:03
ericrostgranted there was enough pushback18:03
ericrostto see how much pushback they got18:04
micahgand there was a way to disable18:04
ericrostlike I said, its been sitting oddly18:04
ericrostI don't know which way to go with it right now so I'm in wait and see mode18:04
WeatherGodericrost, I can see where you are coming from...18:04
ericrostit feels like Canonical is having an identity crisis right now18:04
ericrostfrom the outside perspective anyhow18:05
WeatherGodthis is partly the reason I joined up, to see what I can do to prevent that from happening18:05
ericrostI like a lot of the work they do and want to see them succeed18:05
ericrostbut not at the cost of ethics, I think the firefox plugin is a bad way to go, the software store debacle18:06
WeatherGoddebacle?18:06
ericrostthey need to embrace the fact that the community is happy to have this as a platform for commercial enterprise, but not a platform for commercials18:06
ericrostread the forums on it18:07
ericrosteveryone who was speaking up disliked the idea of it being branded that way18:07
WeatherGodoh, as a Software Store versus Software Center?18:07
ericrostyep18:07
WeatherGodI see18:08
ericrostits little things, but its a bad pattern18:08
WeatherGodI still wouldn't call it a debacle18:08
WeatherGoda furor, maybe18:08
ericrosttrue enough18:08
WeatherGodwell, at least the community is able to effect change18:08
ericrostI got busy after that cropped up, I need to see where that went18:08
WeatherGodwhen is the last time Microsoft listened?18:08
ericrostbut sometimes, I think Canonical needs to put the fact that they wouldn't EXIST without the community in perspective18:09
WeatherGodor even Apple?18:09
ericrosttrue18:09
WeatherGodI think they know that very well18:09
WeatherGodlaunchpad is the perfect example18:09
WeatherGodthey finally opened it, right?18:09
ericrostyep18:09
WeatherGodit is an amazing platform, much better than bugzilla or mantis18:10
ericrostlike I said, I'm back and forth on it18:10
ericrostand in wait and see mode18:10
WeatherGodand it interacts wonderfully with those other systems18:10
WeatherGodbecause Ubuntu knows that without working nicely with upstream, they would be nowhere18:10
yofel----- bug 484337 - for those here that use #ubuntu-bugs-announce and are annoyed about EeeBotu announcing bugs multiple times18:11
ericrostyeah18:11
ubot4Launchpad bug 484337 in eeebotu "EeeBotu announces bugs multiple times" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48433718:11
WeatherGodthat's valid18:11
WeatherGodbut contribute18:11
WeatherGodthat's what I am doing18:11
ericrostI should18:11
WeatherGodI don't like sitting back18:11
ericrostI try to get bugs filed when I run across them, but I'm more focussed on using ubuntu as a dev platform on the server side than anything else18:11
ericrostI also do advocacy work18:11
ericrostconverting desktops18:12
WeatherGodok, good, but we could use all the help we can get to make sure the Lucid is ready18:12
ericrosttrying to bootstrap a webapp using a LAMP stack on ubuntu18:12
WeatherGodtesting in particular18:12
WeatherGodfun18:12
ericrostso I'm still a hardy guy on that front18:12
micahgthanks yofel18:13
ericrostand I can't run much alpha stuff in the house18:13
ericrostwife uses these as production18:13
ericrostI'm the captive tech support/sysadmin/purchaser/tester/monkey18:13
WeatherGodunderstandable, I am in the same boat18:13
WeatherGodI don't switch during semesters, so I am still using Jaunty18:14
ericrostyep18:14
WeatherGodbut, you can still boot up the livecd occasionally and let us know if you spot anything18:14
ericrostwell, enough of off-topic in here, sorry to bring up a sore point on my end, thanks for the pointer to the right place to file!18:14
ericrostyep18:14
WeatherGodnp18:15
ericrostcept it'll be a live stick here18:15
ericrostI hate slimdvd drives, they keep dying on me18:15
WeatherGodwell, you know what I meant18:15
ericrost:)18:15
ericrost*grumble grumble* hardware troubles *grumble*18:15
WeatherGodyofel, did you get my message about bug 472674?18:16
ubot4Launchpad bug 472674 in linux "thinkpad_acpi: WARNING: sysfs attribute hotkey_enable is deprecated and will be removed. Hotkey reporting is always enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47267418:16
ericrostok, I guess I didn't track that long enough. Now it IS the Ubuntu Software Center.....18:16
ericrost:)18:16
WeatherGodyeah, I never heard about Software Store18:17
ericrostit was the first proposal18:17
ericrostand I have to give them credit now18:17
ericrostand eat my crow18:17
WeatherGodguess that's why they are called proposals18:17
ericrostthey suggested the naming to the community18:17
ericrostand LISTENED18:17
WeatherGodexactly18:18
ericrostkudos, and good day :)18:18
WeatherGodsame to you18:18
WeatherGodmicagh: what do you think about bug 484257?  Would that be update-manager or ubiquity?18:21
ubot4Launchpad bug 484257 in ubuntu "After upgrade to Karmic, system will not boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48425718:21
micahgWeatherGod: update manager and we'll need the dist-upgrade files I think18:24
WeatherGodmicahg: thanks18:24
bcurtiswx_flood of people at UDS leaving for lunch...18:57
bcurtiswx_lol18:57
WeatherGodheh18:59
WeatherGodand some coming back early18:59
WeatherGod:-P18:59
mac_vanyone knows if there is an audio bug? where the audio gets unmuted on resume?18:59
WeatherGodI might have seen that, but I have been avoiding resume from suspend bugs19:00
yofelmac_v: I only know the one where audio get's muted after a pulse update19:00
yofelmight need reboot/suspend/hibernate to get triggered19:00
mac_vyofel: yeah , that was a major bug before release19:00
mac_vi think this might be a dupe > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/48435019:01
ubot4Launchpad bug 484350 in hundredpapercuts "Sound unmutes on Resume" [Undecided,New]19:01
mac_vactually it is not a papercut either19:01
WeatherGodyeah, definitely not a papercut19:02
WeatherGodI would tenatively put that in pulse audio19:03
bcurtiswx_yeah its a pulse problem19:03
WeatherGodbut it might be alsa-base19:03
bcurtiswx_dtchen: ^^  may be able to comment on it19:03
WeatherGoddefinitely19:03
mac_vah.. alsabase... ! kept forgetting that name :/19:03
WeatherGodyhea, but package alsa-base stuff against alsa-driver19:04
WeatherGodcould someone mark bug 484361 as wishlist?19:08
ubot4Launchpad bug 484361 in apt "uninstallation like "undo", when upgrades and/or packages installation goes wrong for no space in device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48436119:08
WeatherGodalso, maybe it shouldn't be apt, but rather software center or synaptic?19:09
bcurtiswx_WeatherGod: done19:11
WeatherGodthanks19:11
bcurtiswx_np19:11
mr_steveHi all19:18
yofelhi Steve19:18
mr_steveI might have brought this up before, but is there any special reason Bug #403408 can't be marked triaged, preferably high-importance?19:18
ubot4Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40340819:19
mr_steveI think there's more than enough info, workarounds, etc. and it's hitting a lot of people19:19
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yofelthat should indeed be enough information19:22
WeatherGodI agree19:22
mr_steveIt's been a pet bug of mine since it hit me, and I've been seeing tons of forum posts about it. People are trying Ubuntu for the first time and running smack into the wall19:22
WeatherGodyeah, that is definitely a show-stopper there19:23
WeatherGodand it should definitely be prioritized19:24
yofelwould be nice if upstream  would hurry with the fix, since I doubt that this is something the ubuntu devs could / are supposed to fix.19:25
WeatherGodmr_steve, what are the implications of removing the search line?19:25
WeatherGodI am sure it was in there for a reason?19:25
mr_steveThat's the thing, I'm not entirely certain. I've been meaning to study grub2 a bit more but haven't had time19:26
WeatherGodIf I was a package maintainer of grub2, I would be very hesisitant to implement that fix without much more testing19:26
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mr_steveAgreed19:27
yofel+1 that's why everybody is waiting for upsream to fix it, but they seem to be occupied with other things19:27
mr_steveI suppose I could dive into it a bit more, I've got plenty of free time today19:28
mr_steveI definitely want to find out what the search line is supposed to do, at least.19:28
WeatherGodfeel free, I am sure the upstream guys would love some extra help19:28
WeatherGodmr_steve, btw, did you notice that one of the guys who had the freezes also had compiz on?19:29
mr_steveIt's weird because the UUID that grub says it can't find is actually the proper, existing UUID19:29
WeatherGodheh19:29
mr_steveWeatherGod, yep, I was just looking at the updates on that bug19:29
WeatherGodhow do we make a request to sync a package in the repository with upstream?19:35
WeatherGodbug 48432219:35
ubot4Launchpad bug 484322 in treeline "Treeline Won't Even Run in 9.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48432219:35
micahgWeatherGod: is the new versionin debian19:35
WeatherGodlooks like debian squeeze19:36
micahgWeatherGod: you can use requestsync to request a version from debian19:36
micahgWeatherGod: check to see if the new version is in lucid19:37
WeatherGodok, but is requestsync a launchpad command or what?19:37
micahgWeatherGod: it's in one of the ubuntu packages19:37
micahglet me see19:37
yofelWeatherGod: it's part of ubuntu-dev-tools19:38
WeatherGodah, yes, version 1.2.4-1 is in Lucid19:38
WeatherGodversion 1.2.3-1 is in Karmic19:38
micahgWeatherGod: check the changelog in 1.2.4 to see if the issue was addressed19:39
WeatherGodyofel, ok, good to know19:39
WeatherGodyup19:39
WeatherGodfixes the problem that prevented it from starting19:39
micahgotherwise, generally, you have to fix why it's not running rather than upgrading versions19:39
WeatherGodso, what do we tell the OR?19:40
yofelhm, if you find the upstream patch with the workaround you could try to request a SRU19:40
yofelor would a backport be better, not sure19:41
WeatherGodmaybe a backport... the problem was related to PyQt 4.619:41
yofelyeah, but a backport would end in the karmic-backports repository which isn't on by default afaik19:42
yofelan SRU would get to karmic-updates19:42
WeatherGodI have no clue, that is true19:42
WeatherGodand this is unrunable software right now19:43
yofelyeah, lemme check those links in the comment19:43
WeatherGodon a completely different note, has Ubuntu ever prevented a root login through GDM?19:46
micahgWeatherGod: yes, by default19:46
WeatherGodreferring to bug 48431719:46
ubot4Launchpad bug 484317 in gdm "GDM allows root logins" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48431719:46
WeatherGodok, it is just one of those things I never bothered to try19:47
micahgshould be regression-release19:47
WeatherGodtagged, you mean?19:47
micahgunless there was already anotehr bug about allowing it19:48
WeatherGodI'll look19:49
micahgWeatherGod: yes, tagged19:49
penguin42I need help with the status of bug #338564 - I seem to be seeing the same thing, but it was marked Fix Released by the original reporter on 9.04, I'm on 9.1019:52
ubot4Launchpad bug 338564 in gnome-system-monitor "gnome-system-monitor "Memory Maps"-window blocking interdependent from the showing process" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33856419:52
WeatherGodmicahg, I checked, I didn't see any other reports19:57
micahgok19:58
yofelhm, that treeline bug is easy to fix19:58
penguin42should I move that bug back to confirmed and add details or is there a better suggestion?19:58
micahgso, tag regression-release19:58
micahgand say why19:58
micahgwait19:58
micahgit should probabl;y be verified first19:58
WeatherGodstanding by...19:58
WeatherGodthat is true...19:58
micahgdo you have a karmic VM?19:58
WeatherGodnot on this machine19:59
WeatherGodnever been able to get it to boot19:59
micahgWeatherGod: ok, when you get to the VM, just verify19:59
micahgthen tag regression-release and say you confirmed it19:59
WeatherGodok, I'll do that20:00
micahgthanks WeatherGod20:00
micahgalso, let someone in here know so it can be marked triaged20:00
WeatherGodwill do20:00
WeatherGodyofel, what do we do about the treeline syncing20:02
yofelWeatherGod: you can't sync the package for karmic, the only way to get 1.2.4-1 into karmic is a backport20:03
yofelbut I'll ask somebody if a SRU would be possible here20:03
yofelthe patch is simple and works20:03
micahgyofel: if it doesn't start an SRU is possible20:04
micahgfollow SRU procedure20:04
mac_vhmm , whats with the QA website tagging a lot of bugs "iso-testing"  ?20:04
bcurtiswx_So the three mentor requests today... Do we not request a time from them in which they are available to work on bugs?20:05
mac_vis that normal or something went wrong20:05
bcurtiswx_mac_v could be something they're talking about at UDS?20:05
yofelmicahg: will do20:05
micahgbcurtiswx: I thought it said to put a time on the wiki20:05
micahgmac_v: check the qa channel20:05
micahgI saw it too20:05
bcurtiswx_micahg, thats for mentors... but mentees?20:05
WeatherGodbcurtiswx_, I just noticed that to the iso_testing20:06
micahgbcurtiswx, there's a wiki page that tells mentees to request20:06
* mac_v now searches the QA channel ;20:06
bcurtiswx_micahg: ah, ok.20:06
WeatherGodsorry, mac_v, not bcurtiswx_20:06
bcurtiswx_:'(20:06
micahgbcurtiswx, it doesn't say time20:07
* micahg will update the wiki20:07
bcurtiswx_micahg: thx :D20:07
micahgbcurtiswx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved updated :)20:09
mac_v!irc20:10
ubot4A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines20:10
bcurtiswx_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors should be updated too20:10
bcurtiswx_micahg: ^^20:10
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bcurtiswx_thx again micahg20:25
micahgnp20:26
mr_steveHmm. I'm not sure of a good next step for Bug #484411. It's wrongly filed against firefox so the apport info is useless. Does GDM have an apport hook?20:28
ubot4Launchpad bug 484411 in firefox-3.5 "can not log on without multiple tries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48441120:28
micahgmr_steve: yeah, a lot of non-firefox bugs get filed against ff20:30
micahgand there's no package hook20:30
micahgbut I'd move to gdm20:30
mr_steveYep, I put an idea about that in brainstorm20:30
micahgmicahg: hmm, it might be an x issue20:31
micahgif X is restarting a user might see that20:32
mr_steveI'd probably get the info I need from an apport-collect -p xorg20:32
micahgmr_steve: take a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging20:32
micahgyeah20:32
micahgmr_steve: don't forget the bug number20:33
mr_steveyep20:33
mr_steveI've just reproduced and confirmed Bug #484252, which has the potential for data loss20:50
ubot4Launchpad bug 484252 in usb-creator "Wrong behaviour on format action" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48425220:50
mac_v to anyone who was also wondering about the "iso-testing" tags >>> the iso-tracker auto-tagger was broken, QA folks fixed it, and now it's catching up on a backlog. <<<20:51
WeatherGodmac_v: cool20:51
mr_steveGood to know20:51
micahgthanks for researching mac_v20:53
mac_vnp :)20:54
Riottahello21:15
RiottaI and few other people are having bug 441408, we uploaded some data, and find exact package in which this bug is present after some tests21:17
ubot4Launchpad bug 441408 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44140821:17
Riottaand I wanted to ask, what we can do more to get this fixed :)?21:17
dailystrugglehello I applied for a mentor21:20
Riottamaybe someone from bugsquad can be assigned for this bug?21:25
Riottadunno how exactly bugsquad work21:25
WeatherGoddailystruggle, Riotta: sorry seems like the other people are kinda gone for now21:26
WeatherGodI can help out a bit, but I am fairly new21:27
WeatherGodRiotta, you are doing what is appropriate by "sheparding" your bug21:27
Riottaok21:27
WeatherGodmost often, bugs are not dealt with because we do not hear back from the original reporters21:27
WeatherGodif we have direct interaction with the reporter, we tend to figure issues out faster21:28
RiottaI will add this channel to my channel list then and try to get to the right ppl21:28
WeatherGodso, I would recommend coming by a few times and seeing who is around21:28
WeatherGodyeah21:28
Riottathanks WeatherGod21:28
WeatherGoddailystruggle, I can't be a mentor yet, but I can certainly answer some questions you might have21:29
WeatherGodRiotta, np21:29
yofelhm... not sure, but you could try to contact the Ubuntu X Team in #ubuntu-x if they need something else Riotta21:30
Riottathanks for the hint yofel21:30
yofelRiotta: and this really works fine in 9.04 ?21:30
Riottayes21:30
yofelok, then I'll tag it as regression-release21:31
RiottaI think some changes that were made for 9.10 broke this for us21:31
WeatherGodRiotta, thanks for helping to make Ubuntu better!21:31
RiottaI red even changelogs on this package21:32
Riottanp WeatherGod we all just want to have a good OS21:32
WeatherGodRiotta, could it possibly be the game?21:32
Riottano21:32
RiottaI tested random games21:33
WeatherGodah21:33
Riottait's not game specific issue21:33
Riottafor sure21:33
WeatherGodwell, keep at it, I hope you get it figured out21:33
Riottayeah21:33
yofelhm, bug 484322 might get fixed quite fast after all, the motu guys are available for a change ^^21:35
ubot4Launchpad bug 484322 in treeline "Treeline Won't Even Run in 9.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48432221:35
WeatherGodyeah, didn't we already talk about that one?21:35
WeatherGodwe need the SRU or whatever21:35
WeatherGodit is already set for Lucid21:35
micahgWeatherGod: if you want to read about SRUs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates21:36
yofelyeah, it's just that with my last SRU's one took a whole day and for another I'm still waiting for any reaction21:36
LimCoreUbuntu wants to remove kalarm, and also kdepim - is that a bug or what?  kdepim is removed from ubuntu 9.10 ??? O_o21:37
WeatherGodmicahg, thanks21:37
macoLimCore: whats trying to remove it?21:37
yofelLimCore: ? kdepim is in karmic and lucid21:37
LimCoremaco: aptitude, always21:37
macoaptitude why-not kdepim21:37
LimCoreUnable to find a reason to remove kdepim.21:38
WeatherGodcool command21:38
yofelcool, never knew about why-not ^^21:38
LimCoreUnable to find a reason to remove kalarm.21:38
LimCoreThe following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:  [...]  kaddressbooka kalarma kalgebraa   [...]21:39
LimCoreaptitude install kalarm  -->  0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 204 to remove and 41 not upgraded.    (kalarm is already installed)21:40
LimCorewhat is going on O_o21:40
yofelLimCore: sounds like yu removed some metapackage that depended on them, now aptitude thinks they're not needed anymore21:40
LimCorebad aptitude21:40
LimCorehow to tell it to stop doing that,  and how to find out what is going in?21:41
LimCore*going on21:41
yofelLimCore: try 'aptitude unmarkauto kdepim' to tell aptitude that you want it installed if it's needed or not21:42
dailystruggleWeatherGod: you still in here21:44
WeatherGodyeah21:44
dailystruggleok how does the process happen?21:44
dailystrugglementor ship?21:45
WeatherGodwell, I can give you a general idea...21:45
dailystrugglethats fine21:45
WeatherGodah, mentorship...21:45
WeatherGodwell, when you get assigned a mentor, you use that person as your point-of-contact for any questions you have21:46
WeatherGodfor the first few bugs, let them know you are working on them, and they can keep an eye on you21:46
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LimCoreaptitude unmarkauto kdepim --->  The following packages will be REMOVED: [...] kdepim{u}  [...]      yofel21:47
dailystrugglewhat if I already work on bugs?21:47
dailystrugglethey can review?21:48
WeatherGodif they like21:48
dailystruggleok21:48
WeatherGodthey can make sure that you are doing what is needed21:48
WeatherGodthey can still be a point of contact21:48
dailystruggleI just want to help21:48
dailystruggletrue'21:48
WeatherGodgood21:49
WeatherGodwe need it21:49
dailystruggleI have heard21:49
WeatherGodI want to make sure that Lucid is good21:49
yofelLimCore: ok, I'm not really good with the aptitude command interface, use the ncureses interface with 'sudo aptitude' then press 'g' then with j/k scroll to the package you want to keep installed and press '+' to manually add it, it shouldn't be marked violet anymore21:49
WeatherGodI will probably be joining up with the testing team soon as well21:49
dailystruggleI test the systems when they get to alpha I have too many boxes21:50
LimCoreyofel: does the above beheviour counts as a bug though? that I have to do it all to just keep using kalarm etc (while managing packates via aptitude instead apt-get)21:50
WeatherGodgood21:51
yofelLimCore: well, that should only happen if a package that depended on them get's removed, then the now unneeded dependencies will get removed as well21:51
yofelLimCore: did you remove a package before that?21:52
dailystruggleare they/we working on lynx or Karmic21:52
LimCoreno, I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 and after that aptitude wants to remove assload of programs I use21:52
yofelwell, maybe  the upgrade removed some meta-package then21:52
LimCorebut it should not do that21:53
LimCoreright?21:53
WeatherGoddailystruggle: the bug squad works on whatever comes down the pipe21:53
WeatherGodright now, it is mostly karmic21:53
dailystrugglegood so I will at least get to understand the just21:53
yofelLimCore: if the kubuntu developers dropped the package then it's completely fine for aptitude to do this. I've been running Kubuntu 9.10 for a long time now so I can't really say what they changed21:54
LimCoreyofel: well, but I so many PROGRAMS are removed,  its like if aptitude thinks they removed "kde" or something21:54
yofelLimCore: since in a new system those package wouldn't be installed21:54
dailystruggleyofel:it did something like that to me also21:55
LimCoreperhaps its a bug in deps, like, packages depend on kde3 and now kde4 only is used or something in this direction21:55
WeatherGodI thought Jaunty was using kde3?21:55
WeatherGodsorry, kde421:55
yofelWeatherGod: it does21:55
yofelhm...21:56
LimCoreWeatherGod: it was just an examle (not so good) but you get the point21:56
yofel*sigh*21:57
WeatherGodah21:57
yofelLimCore: can you pastebin the output of aptitude where it lists what it wants to remove?21:57
LimCoreWeatherGod: can you please comment that you had similar problem and when and so on?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/47746821:58
ubot4Launchpad bug 477468 in aptitude "After upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10, many programs are marked for removal in aptitude (not in synpatic)" [Undecided,New]21:58
LimCoreyofel: it is there on that link21:58
yofelok, lemme check21:59
LimCoreplease set importance of this bug. I guess it could be even Medium, as aptitude is very important (or low? because there is obvious work around)21:59
* LimCore updated title to be more dramatic22:00
yofelokay... just to make sure:22:01
yofelyou HAVE the package kubuntu-desktop installed?22:01
LimCoreNo packages found matching kubuntu-desktop22:02
yofelapt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop?22:02
LimCoreInstalled: (none)   Candidate: 1.154    1.154 0   500 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages22:03
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yofelokay... that package SHOULD be installed22:03
yofelkubuntu-desktop not being installed after an upgrade would indeed be an explenation for this22:04
LimCoreI installed normal "ubuntu", and then installed kde and so on22:04
yofeloh, that's different then22:04
yofelhow did you install kde?22:04
LimCoreeither aptitude or apt-get install kde  and/or  install kmail krusader etc22:04
LimCorebut this should not have effect or removing applications that I installed22:05
LimCore*of22:05
yofelok, the package kde was dropped in karmic22:05
micahgLimCore: the best way would be to install kubuntu-desktop22:06
yofelso maybe that got removed and thus the other package are deemed unnecessary22:06
micahgthat will insure the full KDE experience22:06
LimCoreso this is reason for this.  Then this is a bug, because, if I installed kde (even when I did it juts by installing kde, not by installing Kubuntu  and so on) then I do not want Ubuntu to force me to remove it,22:06
LimCoreIm not sure how to solve this, but something with dependenciees22:06
yofelLimCore: well, the proper way to install kde in ubuntu is to install kubuntu-desktop22:07
LimCoreok,22:07
LimCorebut still, proper way to install Foo is to install Foo - and this Foo should not be removed unless user says so22:08
LimCoreright?22:08
LimCoreperhaps meta packages should have 3 states...  should be NOT installed,   should be installed,  and - leave it partiall installed (some of deps installed some not)22:11
LimCorebut this is that extra flag that aptitude supports and apt-get does not?   So fix it there for such a case.22:11
WeatherGodthat would be nice22:11
yofelactually it shouldn't have gotten removed, but maybe a dependency got removed due to a conflict and that remove the kde package?22:12
LimCoredunno... please then confirm my bug report so that proper developers will look at it22:12
LimCoreplease set importance if you can.  bug #477468 - discussion log above22:12
ubot4Launchpad bug 477468 in aptitude "After upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10, many programs are marked for removal in aptitude (not in synpatic)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47746822:12
Riottaem22:20
Riottabut there is kubuntu-desktop22:20
Riottaisn't it?22:21
Riottaweird issue you got there22:23
LimCoreRiotta: there is,  but I did not had it installed because I installed just some KDE apps22:31
Riottayeah ok I didn't red whole discussion22:31
dailystruggleI have a question--22:39
yofeldailystruggle: just fire away22:39
yofelwe'll help if we can22:39
dailystrugglemy lcd monitor now seems to lose sync and flashes the digital screen from the monitor itself or when I walk away it seems it goes to sleep bring up the display that happens when the computer is off what could cause this graphic card still performs great is there a setting I can change22:43
dailystruggleI do not have a screensaver set22:43
dailystrugglewell not to come on for 2 hours22:44
dailystruggleanyone?22:44
dailystrugglenvidia 9400gt22:45
WeatherGoddailystruggle, punctuation marks are a useful thing...22:45
yofeldailystruggle: that would be a regular support question, please ask in #k/x/ubuntu22:45
dailystruggleusing 185 driver22:46
dailystrugglepunctuation!22:46
dailystrugglesorry bad habit.22:46
WeatherGodyeah, I think this is a support question, as it isn't related to a particular bug22:48
WeatherGodas far as I can tell22:48
dailystruggleI ask because I do not see a setting. For the card there is no setting. That controls such behavior22:49
dailystruggleSo that is not a bug?22:50
WeatherGodwell, there are power management settings that can be causing this, by default22:50
dailystruggleI will look into that that might well be the cause.22:50
WeatherGodare you having trouble bringing it back from sleep or something?22:50
dailystruggleno22:50
WeatherGodso, it just goes blank when you are idle?22:51
dailystruggleYes it flashes the screen like it is off when idle. Plus it seems to bring up the monitors graphic "DIGITAL" on the screen. intermittently22:53
WeatherGodsounds like a power-saving mode22:54
WeatherGodI got to run... good night!22:54
dailystruggleHave a Great Night.22:55
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bash39hello23:21
bash39Hello23:24
LimCorebash39: hi23:24
bash39I want to ask a question about a bug23:24
bash39last night I tried to install 9.10 on a friend's Acer laptop but it failed23:25
LimCoreis there a moral to this sotry?23:26
bash39after reading the bug reporting guides, I know that we should append bugs to packages23:26
bash39how can I know th package in this case23:26
LimCorewhat was the problem?  you can also try to report a bug overall in "ubuntu"23:26
bash39the live CD worked fine but after installation and reboot23:27
bash39it gave an error msg and didnt start23:27
yofel_bash39: do you know the error message?23:27
yofel_bash39: or when did you get the error? grub, X, gdm, ...23:28
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bash39the error was (error: no such device ) and a very long number23:29
bash39it was a black screen with the error .... only23:30
yofelok, that sounds familiar23:30
bash39and.... press any key to continue23:30
yofelgive me a moment23:30
bash39sure23:31
yofelbash39: bug 403408?23:31
ubot4Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40340823:31
bash39Ok...what should I do now?23:32
bash39BTW I also tried 9.04 and it gave the same error, in case that is relevant23:33
yofelbash39: try to confirm that this bug is your issue and if yes, then your issue already has been reported and is being worked on, if not, then please report a bug against grub-pc23:33
yofelhm...23:33
bash39Ok, then I read that bug report now23:34
bash39one more thing, I dont think there is a hardware problem with the device coz Xp is already installed on it and working fine23:35
yofelsure thing, and Jaunty really failed too?23:35
bash39yes23:35
bash39I have access to that laptop for the next week so I there is anything I can help with it would be my pleasure23:36
bash39that Acer is like 4 yrs old23:37
yofelhm, well, It should be a bug in grub/grub2, but maybe somebody else can help you more23:38
yofelfolks?23:38
bash39bug 403408 sound very similar23:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40340823:40
bash39I didnt get the  "Failed to boot default entries" msg though23:44
yofelbash39: you could try to ask in #grub,  maybe they can help you to  identify the issue23:45
bash39#grub is another channel?yes?23:45
yofelbash39: yes, it's the official grub support channel23:46
bash39Ok23:46
bash39and thanks23:46
yofelbash39: you might also want to stay here for at least half an hour23:47
bash39ok23:48
yofelbash39: some of the guys here should come back then23:48
bash39time difference, I guess you're all asleep now23:48
bash39:)23:48
yofelbash39: nope, UDS and they're all busy right now ;)23:48
bash39I see23:49
yofelbut that too ^^23:49
bash39wish them all the best23:49
bash391 more question yofel. why is your name in 2 colors?23:52
yofelhm? what client do you use?23:52
bash39pidgin23:52
yofelyou mean the lines where I said your name are different?23:52
bash39yes. once yellow others purple23:53
bash392 people logged in with same name?23:53
yofelbash39: nope, it's so that the messages I say your name in are highlighted23:53
bash39yes, now i understand23:54
yofelbash39: so you notice that I'm talking to YOU23:54
bash39cool feature23:54
bash39first time with pidgin23:54
bash39actually first time to use IRC23:54
bash39thanks again23:55
yofelhehe23:55
yofel!irc23:55
ubot4A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines23:55

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