[00:20] anybody know French? [00:21] bug 483867 has an odd paragraph that google translate isn't getting anything useful out of [00:21] Launchpad bug 483867 in ubuntu "UBUNTU 9.10 AROBASE ET CLAVIER" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483867 [00:30] mr_steve: when asking a reporter for additional information (as you did in bug 483821) , please set the bug status to 'Incomplete' and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status for more information [00:30] Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483821 [00:34] Woops, I usually do, guess I missed it on that one [00:46] Any idea what we should tell "Dr. Karl Schueler" about the lack of "high quality" CAD programs for Ubuntu? [00:47] bug 483913 [00:47] Launchpad bug 483913 in ubuntu "no high quality CAD packages ?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483913 [00:50] perhaps I could ask him what sort of CAD softwares has he tried yet [00:51] try to get a sense of what his definition is for "Good" [00:51] but, still I think this should be moved to a question, not a bug [00:59] bug 480304 - nice bug title, does anybody speak... portuguese I guess? [00:59] Launchpad bug 480304 in ubuntu "suauauuaua" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480304 [01:01] yofel: I keep this handy: http://translate.google.com/translate_t [01:02] I just tried [01:02] google isn't liking it [01:03] the best I get is with spanish [01:03] yofel: I speak Portuguse [01:03] it's Spanish ;-) [01:04] yeah, google translate gives the sanest translation with spanish... I still can't make any sense ofit [01:04] "wave messaging programs"? [01:04] I need some programmes like IM and downloaders and the Motorola I6 software [01:04] LANG=es_CO.UTF-8 [01:05] ah [01:05] Colombian Spanish [01:05] now, this really is not a bug... [01:05] micahg: ah, didn't notice, good point :) [01:05] transform in a question [01:06] hggdh: were you in the bug workflow session? [01:06] micahg: yes, but it was not really dealing with triaging as much as how the desktop people can profit more [01:06] THis one: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-bug-management [01:06] next session (I think on Wed) should be more on triaging [01:07] yes [01:07] BTW -- I could not wave back cuz I had my laptop turned off [01:07] :) [01:08] so people saw me? [01:08] and your point will be carried on this this next meeting [01:08] ah, ok [01:08] same spec? [01:08] not sure, let me check [01:09] I was going to talk to pitti [01:10] I *think* it is the desktop bug Workflow on Wed 1200-1255 but there is no blueprint [01:10] ah, so, should I talk to pitti, or wait? [01:11] talk to pitti. Peer pressure helps ;-) [01:11] WeatherGod: FYI, #483855 is *very* unlikely to be an alsa-driver/linux bug. [01:11] WeatherGod: I would triage it to affect totem. [01:12] that the mms one? [01:12] yes. [01:12] hggdh: will you be at the adopt an upstream session tomorrow? [01:13] yes [01:13] yeah, I haven't moved it yet [01:13] I wanted to get more information to describe the issue [01:13] where should I put it in the meantime? [01:39] bug 483932 makes me very sad. [01:39] Launchpad bug 483932 in ubuntu "sound is broken in Ubuntu 9.10 KK" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483932 [01:40] WeatherGod: was that addressed to me? If so, WRT what? [01:40] dtchen_, you mean my last statement? [01:41] 20:13 < WeatherGod> where should I put it in the meantime? [01:41] I was asking where you would like me to place that mms bug report in the meantime while I wait for more information? [01:41] WeatherGod: please triage it to affect totem instead of alsa-driver [01:41] ok [01:41] WeatherGod: thanks. [01:42] dtchen_, I don't know why that report makes you sad... [01:42] I am lol-ing here [01:44] the bug report is incomprehensible, and the reporter appears to have added what he feels are the appropriate projects [01:44] oh, he added those projects? [01:44] yes [01:44] it's very unlikely to be related to any of those [01:44] personally, 483932 makes me giggle [01:45] come on dan... your drivers are making farting noises on my computer [01:45] think of the children! [01:45] :-P [01:45] I don't care about children, only kittens! [01:45] I would never possibly be able to explain to the people around me why I'm laughing all the sudden [01:45] kittens are the spawn of the devil [01:46] I don't imagine you could [01:47] wrt to bug #483888 the OR says ubuntuone died when he reset his router.. Should that INVALID, with a note to report it if it happens any other time? On the other hand, it probably shouldn't actually crash if the connection dies.. [01:47] Launchpad bug 483888 in ubuntuone-client "I was told to report a bug - dunno why - i reset the router and thats when it happened" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483888 [01:47] honestly, who thought that ubuntu one was ready? [01:48] wfm [01:48] ? [01:48] works for me [01:48] heh [01:48] mr_steve: if it crashed, that is a bug [01:49] That's kinda the direction I was leaning, once I thought about it a bit [01:49] mr_steve: might want to make the title more useful and check for dupes [01:50] hmm... "UbuntuOne crashes when internet connection dies?" I bet I can find a dupe or two [01:53] mr_steve: bug 458393 [01:53] Launchpad bug 458393 in ubuntuone-client "BadTransition: SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458393 [01:54] upstream is in LP :) [01:54] hggdh: do you know about upstream + Ubuntu tasks where LP is used for both? [01:55] micahg, perfect, thanks! [01:57] what sort of platform is lpia? [01:57] micahg: you mean when upstream *is* Ubuntu? [01:57] hggdh: no [01:57] oh [01:57] I see [01:57] WeatherGod: Low Power intel Architecture iirc [01:57] hggdh: where LP is upstream for the upstream project [01:57] micahg: if I remember correctly, Bugzilla is now based on LP/bazaar [01:57] ah, ok, never heard of it [01:57] like Ubuntu one [01:59] micahg: but I am not sure they are opening bugs in LP [01:59] who [01:59] bugzilla [01:59] hggdh: not talking about bugzilla [01:59] where did bugzilla come from? [02:00] upstream +UBuntu [02:00] upstream for Ubuntu One is LP [02:00] was wondering if we have tasks for upstream in LP and Ubuntu in the same bug [02:01] or we treat it like bmo or bgo and link [02:01] I think it is still done. Apport is another one [02:02] yes, so for a bug in one of those packages with a bug upstream, do we dupe the upstream and add an Ubuntu task? [02:02] or add a link to the upstream bug (in LP) as an upstream task [02:03] as far as I can understand we would just add the upstream task, with no bug linked (it is already there) [02:04] hggdh: what if the bug is open in the upstream project already? [02:04] oh [02:04] then, I guess, add an Ubuntu task to document the issue on an Ubuntu release [02:04] like that bug mr_steve jsut had [02:04] ok, that's what I was wondering... [02:05] not sure, thou [02:06] this has the potential to get confusing [02:07] right [02:07] or nominate for release? [02:07] hggdh: should I add it to meeting notes for dec? [02:07] I should use UDS to discuss this [02:07] yes, certainly [02:07] ok, how about in the Adopt an Upstream session? :) [02:07] heh. No better place, I guess [02:09] noted [02:12] there is something that came up earlier that mr_steve and I noticed [02:12] yes? [02:12] we came across a few reports today of some odd freezes (mr_steve himself is experiencing it). [02:12] he is on karmic-proposed [02:13] kernel, gnome, or what type of freeze? [02:13] given that this behavior all of the sudden started happening, it makes me suspect that an update caused it [02:13] it is weird... [02:14] essentially, the desktop stops responding to anything except in the focused window [02:14] can you sysreq-r, and go to a terminal? [02:14] nope [02:15] sorry, misread that... is sysreq-r the same as doing Ctrl-Alt-F1 stuff? [02:16] sort of -- it releases the keyboard from X, *then* you can alt-ctlr-f1 [02:16] hmm, never heard of it [02:16] a.k.a. magic key [02:17] kinda wondered what that button does [02:17] here is one of the more sparsly described reports: bug 483821 [02:17] Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483821 [02:18] some people have it on different key combinations (on mine is Alt-PrntScrn for the sysreq, then the key for the command) [02:18] how can I pull up the log for earlier today? [02:18] I know I mentioned it around 4:30 my time [02:19] !log [02:19] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [02:19] WeatherGod: system logs and use the calendar to select the day, you may need to revert to the compressed archives if the day you want isn't in the current file [02:21] ok, one of the more descriptive ones: bug 483832 [02:21] Launchpad bug 483832 in xorg "AMD64x2, Nvidia, Gnome and KDE, no virtual ttys, and shell in konsole or gnome terminal dies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483832 [02:24] and then mr_steve's description: [02:24] WeatherGod, I ran into that last night, typing in Pidgin. It looked to me like a compiz hang, no windows would respond to mouse events, but I could still type in whatever window had the focus But I never did find out what happened. I tried to restart compiz, and everything just went all downhill from there [02:26] thanks for help finding the logs [02:27] WeatherGod: I do not know. Possible video, or (generic) X, or kernel. I would start with X/video -- the logs attached to this last bug do not show kernel oops [02:27] but, my concern is that 3 people have reported something very similar within a very small window of time [02:28] what if it was something in Karmic Proposed? [02:28] it might be. Do all three have the same video card? [02:28] wouldn't it be prudent to have packages hold off from being moved to accepted until this is figured out? [02:28] in other words, what are similar on the three> [02:28] ? [02:29] no clue, you would have to ask mr_steve for his setup [02:29] well... *which* packages would you hold off? [02:29] well, looking at proposed, most of the packages are translations [02:29] we do not know what is causing it, it is difficult to decide what to hold off [02:30] the only one that wasn't translations in the past day was libindicate [02:30] which should not cause a freeze on X [02:30] I know, but I would hate to see this end up in the general community [02:30] but the fix dealt with some dereferencing of DBus objects [02:31] I agree, but -- and an important 'but': we are seeing the consequences, *not* the causes [02:31] right [02:31] it could just be a driver issue if they all have the same video [02:31] card [02:32] yes, same card, same model, same revision [02:32] call it a hunch.... spidey sense [02:32] :-) [02:32] hunches are good. They just need to be validated [02:33] Ooh, what are we asking mr_steve? [02:33] anyway, I thought it would be prudent to raise my concerns [02:33] what is your video card? [02:33] what are we asking *all* three? [02:33] Intel i945GM [02:33] damn [02:34] the more detailed report is an Nvidia [02:34] Acer Aspire [02:34] :-) [02:34] so video driver seems to be off [02:34] Heh, I'm an Acer Aspire too. Must be a different series [02:34] still, X is in [02:35] which Acer Aspire, bug 483832 is 7520 [02:35] Launchpad bug 483832 in xorg "AMD64x2, Nvidia, Gnome and KDE, no virtual ttys, and shell in konsole or gnome terminal dies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483832 [02:35] 3680 here, the cheap one [02:37] and the other guy mentioned he uses a laptop, but doesn't say which model [02:37] What's interesting about 483832 is that when I experienced the similar problem from uh.. 483831, I could still switch VTs [02:37] although, oddly enough, he said "...and can tell you that happens just every day I use the laptop" [02:38] There was no effect on the console at all, only X [02:39] err I meant bug #483821 [02:39] Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483821 [02:40] mr_steve, does this seem to happen randomly? [02:40] Also there's a very specific symptom mentioned in 483821, that of the cursor being stuck as the text selection cursor, that isn't in 483832 [02:40] So far, it's only happened to me once [02:41] I absolutely hate random bugs... [02:41] me too [02:42] and based on what is said in 483832, it is noted that it happens for both Kubuntu and Ubuntu [02:42] so Gnome and KDE are out [02:43] that same guy also mentioned that the Konsole did not respond to keystrokes [02:44] hmm, the 483821 report says that he could not close the window, but the other report said that he could, I think [02:44] Yeah, that's the weird part. In my case, the focused window still got keystrokes, at least until I killed compiz to restart it. Then nothing much worked at all. F12 would still pull down my guake terminal, but I couldn't type in it [02:46] hmm, maybe they are different... [02:46] still, it is odd [02:46] one thing is that the two reports have noted that this happens frequently [02:46] while it only happened once for mr_steve [02:47] I'm about 70% certain that they're two different issues. [02:47] "my usual approaches do not work here" [02:48] between who? [02:48] who would you say you are most similar to? [02:49] I still think 483821 is the same as what happened to me, and 483832 is a seperate issue [02:49] I just remembered some other weirdness, too [02:50] oh? [02:50] I had installed kubuntu-desktop earlier that day to play with KDE, and I set kdm as display manager. On reboot, I got corrupt graphics, including the virtual consoles [02:50] Had to chroot in from the livecd and switch back to gdm [02:52] hmmm, so you had both desktop environments available, which the other person also stated [02:52] but we don't know about the 483821 report [02:52] And I have noticed there's plenty of bizarre interactions when having both installed [02:53] never had an issue with my Fedora machines [02:53] then again, I use Gnome almost exclusively [02:54] It's mostly minor things, like the policykit auth dialogs, and PGP passphrase entry. They're system-wide, not desktop-dependent. So you get KDE dialogs in Gnome, or vice-versa [02:56] If I keep thinking too hard about these bugs my head might explode [02:56] heh, know the feeling [02:57] Heh, I just noticed a bug filed against yelp that actually does seem to be a yelp bug. That's refreshing. [02:57] well, maybe we will get more info from the other guy [02:57] bug #483926 [02:57] Launchpad bug 483926 in yelp "not able to open ssh_config man page in yelp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483926 [02:57] haha [02:57] Unfortunately I can't reproduce it. [02:58] Also, I'm intrigued by bug titles that make me have to search Wikipedia: bug #483929 [02:58] Launchpad bug 483929 in firefox-3.5 "Restore Session doesn't follow Fitts Law" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483929 [02:58] Fitts Law? [02:59] yeah, it's that you want to position things so that it's easiest to click the common choice [03:00] Learn something new every day. Anyone remember old mouse utilities that could position the cursor over the default button on a dialog? [03:00] mr_steve: are you triaging that bug? [03:01] Not at this time, I just happened to glance at it [03:01] ok :) [03:01] I can't reproduce the yelp one either in 9.04 [03:02] WeatherGod: well, if it works in jaunty, but not in karmic, it should be tagged regression-release [03:03] micahg, I'm on karmic and can't reproduce it either [03:03] oh, well that's a different story :) [03:04] I'm 100% sure the OR has already made sure the manpage is viewable in 'man' itself... but maybe it should be asked anyway? [03:05] Kind of a "Are you sure it's plugged in?" question [03:05] never assume [03:06] yeah... kinda going into that mode with my "epic" bug report [03:07] Doris, the 60 year old [03:08] she finally realized she had to take the cap off the usb thumb drive before pluging it into the computer [03:10] lol [03:10] in fairness some caps are not really obvious to the uninitiated [03:11] true, but it has been quite an... interesting... bug report [03:11] Any body have a clue if/what bug may prevent vlc controls from showing? When I open vlc the video plays but I get no controls or right click context menu. [03:11] PorkSoda: is this during playback? [03:12] I have decided to keep it contained in that report, rather than splitting it to multiple reports [03:12] Jeruvy, Any time [03:12] Fullscrenn or not [03:12] PorkSoda: hmm not sorry, during playbck the controls float and I've lost them a few times myself, but my only other guess may be theme related..? [03:14] Yea, problem is, I can't get in to vlc's options or anything. No menu pops up when I right click inside the video etc [03:14] I haven't changed vlc's theme "ever" [03:15] I tried a reinstall of vlc even though that hasnt really helped me much in the past. But I think I should try to remove everything again, xine included :/ [03:17] PorkSoda: I'm not sure, but there should be a way from the command line to access or set the options you need. Not something I've done a lot of so I'd refer to the manual on it. === mac_v_ is now known as mac_v [06:37] hi, i am a member of bugsquad but am unable to set bugs to TRIAGED status in LP - why is this? [06:39] fcuk112: bugsquad cant do that [06:40] mac_v: what membership do i need? strange, i thought that was what bugsquad was for... [06:48] fcuk112: you need to be a member of bug-control [06:51] micahg: alrighty, thanks - just applied for it. === war10ck is now known as pan1nx === maxb is now known as Guest71681 === dreimark_ is now known as dreimark === YDdraigGoch is now known as Richie [10:45] can somebody a from 9.04 upgraded karmic confirm bug 480147? [10:45] Launchpad bug 480147 in ubuntu "/etc/fstab mentions vol_id but that has been replaced by blkid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480147 [10:46] I only have fresh installs here [11:25] *sigh* [11:27] I can't remember who it was, but somebody said in the UDS session about bug workflow yesterday (as a joke) to put up a big sign on LP when roporting bugs that the bug title was choosing for you by apport and that it's a good one, so don't change it! [11:28] now when I see something like bug 482999 I think that might actually be a good idea -.- [11:28] Launchpad bug 482999 in linux "achitecture" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482999 [11:28] (that's a kernel-oops report) === mac_v_ is now known as mac_v [13:28] how to report a bug? via web page. [13:30] also, how to report a bug against the lanuchpad web page [13:33] aaaah, here it is! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect Bad idea. [14:45] Boo === r0bby is now known as r0bby|android_ === r0bby|android_ is now known as r0bby|android__ === r0bby|android__ is now known as r0bby [15:45] Is there any special reason Bug #403408 can't be marked triaged? Preferably High-importance? It's pretty severe and has more than enough info as far as I can tell [15:45] Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403408 [16:47] any aspire 4930 user here? [16:47] would just like to report that the suyin webcam is working === nperry_ is now known as nperry [17:42] where should I file a bug against ubuntu's default config for proftpd? [17:43] proftpd doesn't accept bugs on launchpad, but its not an upstream issue [17:43] !info proftpd [17:43] WeatherGod: Package proftpd does not exist in karmic [17:43] heh, what is proftpd? [17:43] Highly configurable GPL-licensed FTP server software [17:44] from: https://launchpad.net/proftpd [17:44] running out of repos on hardy server [17:44] ericrost: ubuntu-bug proftpd if you have a desktop handy [17:44] and this disagrees with ubot4: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=proftpd&searchon=names&suite=karmic§ion=all [17:45] micahg: ? [17:45] !info proftpd-basic [17:45] ericrost: do you have an ubuntu desktop or only a server? [17:45] ericrost: proftpd-basic (source: proftpd-dfsg): Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon - binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.2-3 (karmic), package size 780 kB, installed size 2008 kB [17:46] desktop [17:46] as well [17:46] ericrost: what version? [17:46] 9.04 on my desktop, 8.04 on my server [17:47] running a productionish environment so I can't migrate til winter break [17:47] ericrost: from the command line on your desktop: ubuntu-bug proftpd-dfsg [17:47] ahh, k [17:47] I'll hafta reboot into it, I'm in my fedora environment right now [17:47] is there a we interface? [17:48] yeah [17:48] web* [17:48] ericrost: instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net [17:48] launchpad points directly upstream [17:49] I went there first [17:49] but its not an upstream issue its a sane defaults issue [17:49] did you read the link? [17:49] well, it links to a nonexistent page [17:49] and I was at the package that I wanted to file against [17:50] correct, you have to READ and not just click :) [17:50] yes, I did [17:50] :) [17:50] you have to replace PACKAGENAME in the link [17:50] we're trying to encourage people to use the built-in reporting tools on the desktop, that's why it's like this [17:51] PACKAGENAME is proftpd-dfsg [17:51] yep, no page there [17:51] and proftpd points to upstream [17:51] like I said when I came in here [17:51] I started on launchpad [17:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/proftpd-dfsg/+filebug [17:52] https://bugs.launchpad.net/proftpd/+filebug [17:52] that's not the link [17:52] maybe this is a Ubuntu meta thing? [17:52] since it is a config issue [17:53] this is the starting place : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd/+filebug [17:53] add ?no-redirect on the end [17:53] sorry, apparently, it wasn't the dfsg name... [17:54] oops [17:54] ahh, that could be a little more clear, since the package I installed was gproftpd [17:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd-dfsg/+filebug [17:54] rather proftpd [17:54] that's the correct one [17:54] ericrost: there are source packages and binary packages [17:54] you install binary and file bugs by source [17:55] when I search for that project in launchpad it indicates essentially that it doesn't want bugs against it [17:55] lp can find the source for you [17:55] just fyi [17:55] ericrost: you're not filing against the project [17:55] ericrost: you're filing against ubuntu [17:55] in the package [17:55] ok [17:55] ericrost: if you don't know which source package a package is in you can search here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/ [17:56] I'll use the built in tools next time [17:56] was just solving the prob over in #proftpd and fig'd I'd toss the bug up [17:56] ericrost: thanks [17:56] but I'm in my eclipse dev environment, which has no good packaging on the debian side [17:56] so I'm in fedora [17:57] ericrost: eclipse was packaged for 9.10 [17:57] working? [17:57] idk, I just download from eclipse :) [17:57] huh, I'll hafta check it out when I move to 9.10 [17:57] it was "packaged" before that, just not in a working state [17:57] after my current project, I was going to try the built in [17:57] ericrost: before this, is was many years old [17:57] yeah, I'll give it a whirl [17:58] I know [17:58] I use it for database dev stuff [17:58] the problem is we're limited on resources [17:58] and pulled my hair out trying to get a packaged version on the ubuntu side, and I don't want to just leave a static version laying in my /home dir [17:59] well, if you want to help package things, there are people willing to help you learn [17:59] that's why I have a distro and not just a collection of packages :) [17:59] yes, but the distro is maintained by mostly voluneteers [17:59] I might, I'll be doing some plugin dev work for pay soon [17:59] @ my day job [18:00] sadly I have to do it on a xp box [18:00] I've got my own issues with that whole can of worms wrt canonical right now [18:00] I may be migrating off of ubuntu for ethical reasons soon [18:00] ethical reasons? ugh... [18:01] volunteers maintaining stuff but they're monetizing a bunch of stuff every time they get a chance [18:01] with odd plugins and adverts in the OS [18:01] adverts? [18:01] where? [18:01] ericrost: odd plugins? [18:01] have you logged into the terminal lately through ssh? [18:01] yes, they sell a service [18:02] monitor your systems and landscape [18:02] yep and that's an advert [18:02] ericrost: do you think companies runs without money? [18:02] but we're all volunteers, right? [18:02] ericrost: not all [18:02] ericrost, RedHat does this too [18:02] there are some paid people [18:02] otherwise, Ubuntu wouldn't be able to do what it does [18:02]