[00:00] <elopss> i really NEED help here
[00:00] <elopss> :(
[00:02] <NCommander> rgreening, where is that room?
[00:03] <rgreening> 3rd floor
[00:03] <rgreening> vinoy
[00:05] <elopss> can anyone advise?
[00:06] <elopss> norelatime doesnt get passed to the kernel, it just cancels out any relatime in the mount command
[00:12] <micahg> pitti: what's the best way to talk to you about a blueprint you updated today?
[00:13] <nixternal> micahg: the way you just did :)
[00:13] <nixternal> right about now pitti is prolly in the pub
[00:13] <micahg> ah
[00:13] <nixternal> if he is in dallas of course
[00:14]  * micahg tried to shout in the URS IRC channel, but no one saw me :)
[00:15] <nixternal> micahg: when you do that, there is a person in the channel named after the room everyone is in..... make sure you highlight that person when sending something to the channel you want them to see, so it highlights up on the projectors
[00:15] <nixternal> ie.  if the room is vinoy, then do:      vinoy: foo is bar, and 2+2=5
[00:15] <micahg> ah, thanks, that's good to know
[00:15] <micahg> that should come in handy tomorrow when I join another chat
[00:17] <elopss> i just wrote my own mounter to pass strictatime, that works.. (mount.nfs wont pass it to the kernel)
[00:37] <directhex> where is dependency info for upstart jobs specified?
[00:41] <dtchen_> per-job, if I understand your question correctly.
[00:43] <dtchen_> (i.e., /etc/init/foo.conf)
[00:43] <directhex> dtchen_, i think there's a race condition between mythtv-backend, and disks being mounted. hence wanting to check into it
[00:43] <jdong> lol they're not really "dependencies" </nitpick>
[00:47] <directhex> mmmmmm, yes, if i understand this shonkiness correctly... mountall.conf emits the "local-filesystems"... um... trigger? (dunno the terminology). except mountall.conf daemonises the mountall command, so i see no way to guarantee that local filesystems are actually mounted by the time the next upstart script is used
[00:48] <dtchen_> directhex: missing /var/run/mythtv or something?
[00:48] <dtchen_> directhex: at least it looks like mythtv-backend.upstart is missing a pre-start script stanza
[00:49] <directhex> dtchen_, by the looks of it, if your recordings dir is on an unmounted disk, then it'll all go fubar. in this case, prevent mounting of my lvm volume
[00:50] <dtchen_> directhex: ok, so /var/lib/mythtv, I presume?
[00:50] <dtchen_> I'm not familiar with the program(s); I'm just looking at 9.10's source package
[00:50] <directhex> dtchen_, i have a custom dir on a distinct partition. that's certainly the default, though
[00:53] <dtchen_> might need to make mythtv-backend wait for all-filesystems
[00:56] <directhex> having spent an hour and a half fighting to get my home server booting again, i feel i should go to bed
[08:36] <\sh> moins
[08:43] <Laney> hiya
[12:02] <edeca> Does anybody know what file the GUI updater is looking for on a mirror in order to show the "a new version is available"?  I debmirror the entire repository but my uers never get that message.
[12:03] <edeca> (Manual updating by editing sources.list works fine)
[12:06] <tsimpson> edeca: looks like it uses http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release and http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts
[12:06] <tsimpson> from /etc/update-manager/meta-release
[12:06] <edeca> Thank you.  That's not allowed through the proxy, which will obviously make a difference.
[12:06] <edeca> I shall fix that and see.
[12:11] <edeca> Does update-manager use the proxy settings that Gnome does?  Because that shouldn't have failed if so.
[12:11] <edeca> But anyhow.
[12:14] <maxb> Hi, I need some advice. I'd like to request sponsorship for a merge of Subversion, but I have noticed that the Debian armel build has failed with a testsuite error. Does that mean I shouldn't ask for the merge?
[13:01] <emgent> \sh: moin moin!
[13:02] <\sh> hey ema
[13:02] <\sh> aeh emgent
[13:02] <emgent> how goes? :)
[13:03] <\sh> emgent, good <-----> bad somewhere in between ;)
[13:04] <emgent> hehe ;)
[13:04] <\sh> emgent, just working on fai 3.3.x for karmic and lucid
[13:10] <ashiswin> umm
[13:10] <ashiswin> hello
[13:10] <ashiswin> does anyone here know how to do OS development?
[13:13] <yofel> ashiswin: define OS -> operating system / open source / ... ?
[13:13] <ashiswin> operating system
[13:16] <ashiswin> so does anyone know how to do operating system development?
[13:17] <directhex> ashiswin, plenty of people, but you need to better define your scope. an operating system combines many components, and depending on whom you talk to, could cover any number of products and projects
[13:19] <ashiswin> umm
[13:19] <ashiswin> ok
[13:19] <ashiswin> what about
[13:20] <ashiswin> who knows how to make an OS Kernel that can print stuff to the screen
[13:20] <siretart`> try looking at lecture notes from universities that offer courses for operating systems
[13:21] <directhex> yeah, a simple kernel is a first-year course now on the degree i did
[13:21] <directhex> (it wasn't when i did it, mind you, we had to write our own malloc instead)
[13:25] <siretart`> that's fun as well :-)
[13:45] <ashiswin> so does anyone know?
[14:28] <onaogh> hi, can someone tell me which book is good if someone wants to start programming in linux environment
[14:28] <onaogh> and where i can find linux api reference
[14:41] <jussi01> onaogh: you are a programmer already?
[14:41] <pitti> Good morning
[14:42] <pitti> nixternal: Dallas> I am :) I just suck at being on IRC this week
[14:44] <nixternal> I don't blame ya, better things to do than sit on IRC :)
[15:05] <nixternal> dholbach: is there a techboard round table going on?
[15:06] <dholbach> nixternal: I have no idea
[15:06] <dholbach> nixternal: I'm in the community track roundtable
[15:06] <nixternal> ok, I heard ScottK say something in the waverly room about it, and the kubuntu devs have a bullet point in the round table if I understood him correctly
[15:07] <nixternal> if you aren't in it, then I am guessing it isn't going on now
[15:10] <Daviey> nixternal: i believe it is on right now
[15:11] <nixternal> nice of them to put it on the schedule
[15:11]  * nixternal looks for a gobby document
[15:18] <Riddelll> nixternal: techboard is http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/alamo2.ogg.m3u
[15:18] <Riddelll> do listen in and let us know if they start discussing us
[15:18] <nixternal> lovely!
[15:18] <nixternal> Riddelll: ok
[15:20] <nixternal> dholbach, soren ^^ there is one going on
[15:20] <soren> nixternal: WEll, yeah, there's a /session/.
[15:20] <Daviey> vlc alamo2.ogg.m3u ; sphinx /dev/snd/* | grep kubuntu
[15:21] <nixternal> shush
[15:21] <soren> nixternal: I asked about a /track/ :)
[15:21] <nixternal> hehe
[15:21] <soren> Err... /You/ asked about a track.
[15:21] <soren> :)
[15:59] <ebroder> pitti: Did bug #330766 regress in Lucid?
[16:29] <Fenix|work> Greetings and salutations.
[16:29] <Fenix|work> I would like to ask a question about a config before filing a 'bug' on launchpad.
[16:30] <edeca> So ask.
[16:31] <Fenix|work> Apart from bug 459730 with rsyslog and the package not creating /dev/xconsole, would it be considered a bug that Ubuntu server's default rsyslog config tries to log to /dev/xconsole considering X isn't installed as base?
[16:31] <ebroder> xconsole isn't for X
[16:31] <ebroder> It's just poorly named
[16:32] <Fenix|work> ebroder, when I try to run xconsole, I'm hinted to install x11-apps
[16:33] <Fenix|work> man xconsole (1) :: xconsole - monitor system console messages with X
[16:35] <Fenix|work> unless you're talking about the block file...
[16:35] <ebroder> Right
[16:36] <ebroder> My recollection is that /dev/xconsole predates xconsole(1)
[16:37] <Fenix|work> perhaps, but the comments in the config file state that /dev/xconsole is for use with the xconsole utility.  That's why I asked if by default on server it should be turned on.
[16:38] <Fenix|work> is there any need to use this FIFO file, or any downside?
[16:45] <cRUDE> fingerprint?
[16:49] <cRUDE> hi room: when do we see fingerprint id working?
[17:02] <davidboy> I'm wanting to run the software center from source.  I downloaded the source code from launchpad using bazzar, now which file should I run?  software-center, app.py, or something else?
[17:05] <beuno> davidboy, my guess would be software-center
[17:06] <davidboy> beuno: Thanks!  That works!
[17:42] <MacSlow> pitti, I did save the gobby notes for this session
[17:42] <StevenK> MacSlow: \o/
[17:42] <MacSlow> pitti, want then as email?
[18:38] <TheMuso> za/c
[18:44] <Fenix|work> A quick question.  Is it safe to modify /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf, or does it change with updates?
[18:45] <Laney> you can modify anything in /etc
[19:34] <jdong> Fenix|work: when dpkg attempts to update a file in /etc that you've modified, you'll be prompted about the conflict.
[19:34] <jdong> so yes, it's generally safe to edit things in /etc
[19:40] <Fenix|work> jdong, k, thx
[19:51] <snnw> Amaranth: ping
[20:12] <slangasek> Keybuk: bug #484386 has an untested patch to dkms that you may want to give a try for boot performance
[20:14] <Keybuk> sweet
[20:15] <Keybuk> stgraber: could you stop the Ubuntu QA Website tagging every single bug in Launchpad
[20:15] <Keybuk> please?
[20:15]  * Keybuk watches the mail storm
[20:28] <jdong> lol that's 30% of my lp bugmail today
[20:33] <jpds> Keybuk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/321056/
[20:36] <Keybuk> jpds: SHIT KEEPS GETTING TAGGED!
[20:37] <jpds> Keybuk: Falling, getting tagged, make up your mind!
[21:07] <stgraber> Keybuk: sorry for the flood, I just "fixed" the script that should have done that as bugs were added to the QA website since the last release, so pretty much all bugs reported on the ISO tracker for karmic just got tagged
[21:08] <jdong> do we get flooded with untagging too?
[21:08] <jdong> (haha half-kidding)
[21:10]  * ajmitch searches for all bugs with jdong subscribed to go on a tagging spree
[21:10] <jdong> oh I could just ignore LP bugmail then ;-)
[21:10] <jdong> since it seems like I get IRC notifications of important bug reports anyway ;-)
[21:22] <Amaranth> snnw: pong
[21:23] <snnw> Amaranth: Hi again:) Can I PM you about Alacarte?
[21:23] <Amaranth> If you've been looking in the code recently you probably know more about it than me but sure
[23:48] <Keybuk> slangasek: I have a bootchart without the hdparm now
[23:48] <Keybuk> that's 1s better
[23:48] <Keybuk> one down, 14 to go!
[23:49] <StevenK> Keybuk: Seconds, or calls to hdparm?
[23:49] <Keybuk> seconds
[23:50] <ion> Nice