Riddellryanakca: we're done00:04
RiddellI'll write that up into a spec and get you and whoever to review it00:04
ryanakcaRiddell: Thanks00:05
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maconeversfelde: if it werent for the fact that the local mirror keeps dropping, id just upgrade and test it00:23
Riddelldinner anyone?00:24
Riddellrgreening shtylman__ ?00:24
RiddellI seem to mind maco is being all sexist and not wanting boys today :)00:26
macowhat what?00:26
macono james_w, dholbach, jono, and mdz are coming with us :P00:26
macotheyre boys! or men...or something...00:26
neversfeldemaco: would you have a look at the long description, I am afraid that it isn't very good, but I am not a native speaker, so I am not sure?00:26
macothis may be a very large value of "one hour" due to dinner ;)00:27
Riddellmaco: oh I see, you want to go and take all your own boys with you00:28
macoright, only cute one allowed00:28
* maco looks back at that list00:28
macohow'd jono get on the list?00:28
nixternalmaco: I was gonna say, you better review that list00:28
nixternaldholbach has way to much hair and smokes cigarettes like it is a joint :)00:28
nixternallast time I saw mdz he needed a haircut too...damn hippies!00:29
nixternalI can never say anything bad about mr. westby though00:29
maconixternal:  he has less hair than this guy, whom i think is rather pretty http://media.photobucket.com/image/davey%20havok/dark_juliet_picture_show/Davey%20Havok/davey_havok.jpg00:30
DarkwingDucknixternal: You awake or, are you up?04:09
DarkwingDuckOr, did I miss you a second night in a row? :P04:09
rgreeningTonio_: ping04:10
DarkwingDuckjjesse-netbook: ping04:27
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Lureanybody working on qt 4.6rc packages?08:44
* Lure plans to build kde form svn, but would like to avoid qt from git ;-)08:44
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* Lure found qt 4.6rc1 in kubuntu-ppa/experimental - thanks lex7909:46
Tonio_rgryeah ?09:52
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markeyjust a note:13:24
markeyafter rebooting (or restarting KDE), sometimes my keyboard doesn't work13:24
markeypluggin it out, then in again, fixes it13:24
markeyI guess this could confuse newbies a lot13:25
Tm_Tand dmesg has any info?13:25
markeylemme check, sec13:25
markeywhat should I look for in there?13:26
Tm_Tmarkey: and it's ok you to admit you were confused (;13:26
Tm_Tmarkey: if there's any related activity13:26
markeywell I can fix this easily, a newbie maybe wouldn't be able to do that13:26
markeytell me something to grep for, the list is long :)13:26
Tm_Tmarkey: it's usb keyboard?13:26
Tm_Tsee if possibly usb device gets dropped13:27
markeymark@hyperion:~/Videos$ dmesg | grep Keyboard13:27
markey[   85.629339] input: DELL DELL USB Keyboard as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0b.0/usb2/2-5/2-5:1.0/input/input413:27
markey[   85.629399] generic-usb 0003:413C:2005.0002: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [DELL DELL USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:0b.0-5/input013:27
markey[  132.909334] input: DELL DELL USB Keyboard as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0b.0/usb2/2-5/2-5:1.0/input/input513:28
markey[  132.909395] generic-usb 0003:413C:2005.0004: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [DELL DELL USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:0b.0-5/input013:28
markeyanything else?13:28
Tm_Tmarkey: hmh, hard to say, prolly needs some context, try grep -B 4 -A 4 -i usb13:29
Tm_Tor something13:29
Tm_Twho knows if it's just wonky usb13:30
Tm_Tthat's what I got here13:30
* tsimpson points at grep's -C option13:30
Tm_Tone too many usb devices connected -> all gone13:30
Tm_Ttsimpson: heh, I never learnt to use that13:30
tsimpson-C 4 is the same as "-B 4 -A 4"13:31
markeythere is no shame in not knowing every obscure grep option ;)13:31
markeyI use ack-grep these days mostly13:31
markey(for code)13:31
markeygrep is obscure13:31
markey(but that's another topic)13:31
markeyTm_T: and ideas?13:45
Tm_Tno, sorry, I suspect udev or usb issues13:46
somekoolScottK: i was mentionning you about subversion+kwallet. here is my compile output http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/1676397  ( i used apt-build to download the source, but could not add the --with-kwallet, so I ctrl-C and compiled by hand.)13:58
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nixternalDarkwingDuck: I was asleep :)14:03
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QuintasanRiddell: I will be filling SRU on LP shortly, anything apart from debdiff's should be included?14:19
nixternalonly one Kubuntu track today...you guys should be able to finish all of the work planned on Monday and Tuesday then today :)14:40
Quintasannixternal: \o14:44
RiddellQuintasan: SRUs also need a test case for how to confirm that what was broken is now fixed14:46
Riddellnixternal: spec writing day!14:46
jtechidnawhich Kubuntu track is today? I think I missed it when scanning the schedule14:47
Riddelljtechidna: ayatana, last session14:48
nixternalI will be afk pretty much the whole day...I am heading down to my brothers to get my brakes fixed on my car14:51
Mamarokare there Amarok 2.2.1 packages for Jaunty? Got a bug report with that...14:54
Mamarokwith a crash I can't make heads nor tails14:55
Mamarokas if a wrong translation somewhere caused the crash14:56
ubottuKDE bug 215122 in general "Crash, exploded when i was doing dont remember" [Crash,Unconfirmed]14:56
QuintasanRiddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/48480214:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 484802 in ubuntu "SRU: Parley fails to initialize Python scripts" [Undecided,New]14:56
RiddellMamarok: I'm pretty sure we don't have any 2.2.1 packages for jaunty15:02
Riddellhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages  2.1 for jaunty, 2.2.1 for karmic15:04
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MamarokRiddell: that's what I thought indeed :)15:08
Mamarokthanks for the confirmation :)15:08
mcasanyone here who can edit kubuntu.org?15:11
mcason http://www.kubuntu.org/support15:11
mcass/Reborting Bugs/Reporting Bugs/15:12
Riddellmcas: I can15:13
Riddellfixed, thanks mcas15:13
mcasRiddell: np15:14
ScottKsomekool: Thanks.  I'll try and take a look at it, but I'm at the Ubuntu Developer summit and don't have a lot of mental bandwidth this week.15:21
somekoolScottK: i hear ya15:26
apachelogger_embedding python in c is quite ugly :|15:35
jbichaLucid will likely ship with KDE 4.4, right?15:38
apachelogger_jtechidna: TBH, I find it uberweird to have the notifier query for new release itself :S15:42
* apachelogger_ is wondering how the gnome does it15:42
apachelogger_jbicha: yes15:42
jbichacool, thanks15:42
apachelogger_jtechidna: knh could execute /usr/share/pyshared/UpdateManager/check-meta-release.py parse it's output and do stuff15:45
francisco_tIs the ppa "firefox kde integration" from kubuntu-dev?15:48
jtechidnathat would be much better than writing our own dist-upgrade checker fetcher15:48
jtechidnafrancisco_t: technically no, though the maintainer has made contributions to Kubuntu15:48
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apachelogger_JontheEchidna: the thing is, either way it eats CPU cycles even though it does not need to, since kpk already does that for update checking too, doesnt it?15:50
JontheEchidnadist-upgrade checking? as far as I know the apt packagekit backend can't do that15:51
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: well, it should :P16:08
glatzorJontheEchidna, the apt backend reuses the upgrade checker which is used by update-manager16:08
glatzorJontheEchidna, if it doesn't work feel free to fill a bug16:08
apachelogger_glatzor: so it would notify about distribution updates?16:09
glatzorapachelogger_, it supports the GetDistroUpgrades method PackageKit16:10
glatzorapachelogger_, it is up to the client tool to call this16:10
* apachelogger_ is wondering if kpk can do that yet16:10
glatzorapachelogger_, I don't know.16:11
apachelogger_glatzor: thanks for that information, saves me from reinventing the wheel :)16:11
glatzorapachelogger_, you are at uds?16:11
apachelogger_glatzor: nope16:11
* apachelogger_ is too busy to go to uds :P16:12
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apachelogger_glatzor: kpk implements getdistroupgrades :)16:18
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot053.png16:18
apachelogger_goes for the gtk UI though16:20
apachelogger_might only be because I got that installed as well16:20
glatzorapachelogger_, I don't know how to check if the upgrade script was started from KDE16:22
apachelogger_glatzor: check for env KDE_FULL_SESSION16:23
apachelogger_should be sufficient enough to hold on to IMHO, apturl also uses that to find out what UI to start16:24
glatzorapachelogger_, you want to provide a patch? The script is located in data/pk-upgrade-script.sh in the PackageKit git repository16:24
apachelogger_glatzor: can look at it certainly :)16:24
glatzorThanks apachelogger_  it is simple bash script16:24
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: please nuke that bit of the knh todo :P16:28
JontheEchidnaI would if X would start, but it won't because / is for some reason being mounted as read-only16:34
JontheEchidnaso I'm on windows :(16:34
apachelogger_glatzor: is it intent behaviour that the script gets launched with somewhat cleaned env vars?16:35
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: cool :D16:35
JontheEchidnaas if to mock me, rekonq 0.3.0 was released right after I got borked :(16:35
glatzorapachelogger_, I havn't got any idea16:36
glatzorapachelogger_, kpackagekit cleans up the env?16:36
apachelogger_well, its not even clean completely16:37
glatzorapachelogger_, you would have to talk with dantti16:37
apachelogger_just everything that get set in kde's startup script is left out16:37
apachelogger_glatzor: ok :)16:37
glatzorapachelogger_, sorry, but I am not familiar very well with kpackagekit and KDE at all :)16:37
JontheEchidnaAny idea how we'll handle update quirks?16:38
apachelogger_glatzor: do you have an env var DESKTOP_SESSION?16:38
RiddellMamarok: don't waste too much time on grumpy people16:38
* apachelogger_ is not sure if that is set by kdm or our X scripties16:38
RiddellMamarok: although your patience is very admirable16:38
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: update quirks?16:38
apachelogger_JontheEchidna: like broken X due to readonly /? :P16:38
JontheEchidnayeah, update-manager has support for update quirk scripts16:38
apachelogger_no clue what that is really :)16:39
JontheEchidnahmm, lemme find an example16:39
apachelogger_dantti: ping16:39
apachelogger_glatzor: I could use DESKTOP_SESSION, but I am not sure that is 100% accurate16:39
apachelogger_KDE_FULL_SESSION would defenitely be better16:39
danttiapachelogger_: pong16:40
JontheEchidnaapachelogger_: search for quirks here: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+changelog16:40
JontheEchidnabasically scripts to work around potential problems16:40
Riddellyou can't depend on DESKTOP_SESSION at all16:40
apachelogger_dantti: does kpk clear the env vars when launching a dist-upgrade?16:41
apachelogger_or do some other weird magic that prevents KDE env vars from appearing16:41
macoRiddell: we have a spec for a photo?16:41
apachelogger_Riddell: how so?16:41
danttiapachelogger_: what's the use case? i mean do you install a package that needs some env vars?16:42
apachelogger_dantti: distribution upgrade, not regular package upgrade16:42
Riddellmaco: it's the most important one.  location: rooftop hot tub16:42
macoRiddell: NO16:42
Riddellapachelogger_: because it's just set by the name of /usr/share/xsession/foo.desktop file16:43
apachelogger_Riddell: I only need to check if it is kde16:43
bbigrasdebfx: ping16:43
Riddellapachelogger_: then use KDE_FULL_SESSION=true16:43
maco1) i didnt bring my swimsuit 2) im not wearing a swimsuit around all you men 3) no pictures of me in swimsuit on the internet16:43
danttiapachelogger_: hmm what's a distribution upgrade? how do you see the difference?16:43
apachelogger_Riddell: can't because it is lost somewhere in the invocation process16:43
Riddellmaco: oh ok, we'll just do it from the balcony on the roof16:43
apachelogger_dantti: for distribution upgrades a script gets executed which then tries to figure out what tool to launch for the present distribition16:44
macoi call dibs on standing nowhere near the railing16:44
danttiapachelogger_: ah, k, .. :P16:44
maco(im afraid of heights)16:45
apachelogger_dantti: problem is... the only reliable thing to do on ubuntu vs. kubuntu is to check the KDE_FULL_SESSION env var, which for some reason, is not visible to the upgrade script16:45
danttiapachelogger_: i think you are talking about things like apt-get dist-upgrade16:45
* apachelogger_ is talking about upgrading from Kubuntu 9.10 to 10.0416:45
apachelogger_i.e. from one distro version to another16:45
danttiapachelogger_: ok, but in *buntu world i guess there is more than just apt-get dist-upgrade right?16:46
apachelogger_dantti: do-release-upgrade16:47
apachelogger_which is invoked by the pk-upgrade-distro.sh script from packagekit16:47
apachelogger_hence my approach was to enhance said script to launch do-release-upgrade with the appropriate arguments for KDE16:47
danttiapachelogger_: ok, well if it was packagekit then the DBus activation cleans all env vars before calling it, but in kpackagekit case this shouldn't happen..16:47
MamarokRiddell: thank you :)16:48
danttiapachelogger_: maybe kunique application does something like that..16:48
danttiapachelogger_: hmm probably the smartIcon showed you the distro upgrade and it is DBus activatable..16:49
apachelogger_dantti: it appears that it is working when launching the upgrade from within kpk itself16:49
danttithus we have a problem..16:49
apachelogger_but not when clicking the ugprade button in the notification16:49
danttiapachelogger_: sure, but smart icon is called by dBus..16:50
danttiif you call that app by hand it would work..16:50
apachelogger_I see16:50
apachelogger_dantti: anything we can do?16:50
danttiapachelogger_: I'll talk with richard about what he thinks about calling these scripts with --desktop=kde16:51
apachelogger_ok, thanks16:51
MamarokI volunteered for that list and will not abandon that fast, although it's sometimes hard16:51
danttiapachelogger_: would that be ok for you?16:53
apachelogger_dantti: I am fine with anything as long as there is some sensible way to find out from within the script whether to launch a KDE UI or not :)16:56
danttiapachelogger_: maybe a DESKTOP env var would be better to not break other scripts..16:57
JontheEchidnayay, I fixed my linux17:06
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidDevelopment  mostly done17:19
jussi01Riddell: nice work17:19
shtylman_Riddell: does that mean you will install chromium soon?17:21
shtylman_why do I want to print to a network printer?17:22
Riddellshtylman_: plenty more specs yet17:23
shtylman_Riddell: I thought we needed to fix in 476px not 517:23
shtylman_cause we fit in 576 as it is right now...I thinks17:24
Riddellshtylman_: that was a question, gobby doc says "576 pixels high -- needs to fit in 480"17:24
ScottKshtylman_: That's the only kind of printer I own17:24
RiddellI thought the discussion said we fit in 600 but needed 576 for eeepc17:24
ScottKRiddell: That's correct.  In Karmic we support 576, but we want 48017:24
RiddellScottK: ok I'll fix that17:25
ScottKRiddell: BTW, if I misrepresent any KDE stuff in the session, please correct me.17:25
RiddellScottK: will you do the spec for LucidNetbookPackaging or shall I?17:29
ScottKI'll do it.17:29
SputScottK: just a heads up, current Quassel fails with Qt 4.6-rc1, I'll get a patch out today, I hope17:33
Sputand probably roll a 0.5.1 release too17:34
Sputso if you plan packaging 4.6-rc1, you guys should upload an updated Quassel package as well17:34
ScottKSput: If you put it git head, I need to push to gettext version anyway17:34
SputScottK: it'll be backported17:34
Sputah, karmic isn't gonna get Qt 4.6, I guess?17:35
ScottKIt'll be in a PPA, but PPA users get what they get17:35
ScottKWe can update Quassel in the same PPA if needed.17:35
Sputwell, it'll be in both git head and 0.5.1, so shouldn't be a problem17:35
ScottKSput: If you roll 0.5.1 soon, maybe I'll put that in Lucid first and backport it first before I push to a git snapshot.17:36
SputScottK: probably today or tomorrow17:36
shtylman_how come not 4.6 for karmic?17:37
ScottKBackporting Qt 4.4 to Hardy was really, really bad.17:37
ScottKI don't care to repeat the experience.17:37
ScottKCore KDE stuff was ~OK, but all the non-KDE stuff that uses Qt is way to much to test17:38
ScottKRiddell: Is Knetworkmanager in 4.4 using the new systray stuff?17:38
RiddellScottK: knetworkmanager in karmic is17:40
Riddell"in 4.4" isn't meaningful, knm isn't part of KDE mainline17:40
SputScottK: well, between 4.3 and 4.4 there were some significant changes... we didn't experience nearly as much breakage with 4.4 -> 4.5, and 4.5 -> 4.6 was seamless here17:40
Sputbut yeah17:40
Sputprobably a really not-wanted burden of maintenance :)17:41
JontheEchidnaIs there a way to find out what packages depend on a specific version of a library?17:41
Riddellqt 4.6 rc isn't binary compatible with qt 4.6 beta, so a load of stuff in lucid will need to be recompiled17:42
JontheEchidnaKDE stuff built in lucid after Qt 4.6 beta1 and before 4.6 RC1 will need rebuilds for ABI change17:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: lucid-changes mailing list I suspect is the best way17:42
SputRiddell: yeah, anything Qt based... I went through that last night :)17:42
Sput320 packages17:43
Sputon my box :/17:43
ScottKJontheEchidna: You mean like apt-cache rdepends libclamav617:43
JontheEchidnasomething more like: apt-cache rdepends libqt4-core 4:4.6~beta117:43
shtylman_but don't we want the benefits of 4.6?17:44
shtylman_ScottK: you would have to port 4.6 to hardy? why?17:45
ScottKshtylman_: No, I'm saying the last time we tried backporting a major Qt version it went very badly.17:46
ScottKAnd if you look at the backports rules it really doesn't qualify17:46
ScottKI think having it in a PPA for people that want it is OK, but it should not go in the archive at all.17:47
shtylman_ScottK: but what does backporting it have to do with having it in lucid?17:47
shtylman_is there something I am missing in the process?17:47
JontheEchidna[12:37:08] <shtylman_> how come not 4.6 for karmic?17:48
shtylman_oh jesus17:48
* shtylman_ slams head17:48
shtylman_4.6 for lucid I meant...17:48
JontheEchidnaoh, we already have 4.6 in lucid17:48
shtylman_oh...ignore my stupidity17:48
shtylman_we already know I can't read17:48
JontheEchidnaSo how's UDS?17:50
shtylman_people liked ScottK 's netbook demo17:51
shtylman_and my personal goal is to get Riddell to install chromium17:52
RiddellScottK: qt 4.6 will be needed for any kde 4.4 backports to karmic17:52
shtylman_agateau: how did your session go?17:59
RiddellJontheEchidna: ooh17:59
* Riddell acting all surprised although he's already seen the page being edited from his wiki subscriptions18:00
shtylman_agateau: how did your session go?18:00
JontheEchidnajust need to figure out what I least like about Kubuntu ;-)18:00
RiddellJontheEchidna: I think you can remove the "Please do not edit" bit18:00
JontheEchidnaoh, whoops. missed that18:01
agateaushtylman_: was not the one I was supposed to show my slides :)18:03
agateaubut people were arguing the application indicators should be done the way kde does18:04
agateau(but they probably don't know that)18:04
RiddellJontheEchidna: for stuff you don't like, didn't you just write a whole document of things you don't like?18:05
shtylman_haha... nice :)18:05
JontheEchidnagood idea18:05
JontheEchidnaRiddell, ScottK, apachelogger_: I'm planning to apply for kubuntu-dev soon. I would appreciate feedback for my application very much: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JonathanThomas/KubuntuDevApplication18:07
RiddellJontheEchidna: maybe point to the merges you've done on Kubuntu/LucidKDEMerges for Examples of my work ?18:08
JontheEchidnayes, that would be a great idea come to think of it18:09
Riddelldid the uploaders of those packages have to change anything compared to what you did before upload?18:10
JontheEchidnaHonestly I don't really remember, at least for jaunty. :(18:11
JontheEchidnaer, karmic18:11
JontheEchidnashtylman_: now I'm doing it too, mixing up distro names :P18:11
shtylman_JontheEchidna: glad to be of influence :p18:12
RiddellJontheEchidna: well just check the bzr log18:12
* JontheEchidna wonders if this counts :P http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu/revision/13018:13
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes, a perfect example of self critisism of your packaging weaknesses18:15
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dailystrugglehello I am looking for a mentor18:57
dailystruggleok -- Hello is anyone Home?19:01
dailystruggleanyone know the UDS audio link19:04
JontheEchidnadailystruggle: for which room?19:08
dailystrugglejust the main19:08
JontheEchidnaall of the rooms should be there19:08
dailystruggleI thx19:09
ulysses__phew, I just got a kernel panic19:12
dailystruggleJontheEchidna: I forgot it is lunch19:15
dailystruggleeuropean lunchtime19:15
Riddelldailystruggle: wanting to listen in on something?19:20
dailystruggleRiddell:yes but it is lunchtime19:21
Riddelland quite a nice lunch it is too, gourmet burger and chips19:23
Sputwhere chips == fries?19:23
Riddellyes, not crisps, we had that on Monday, crisp soup, crisps with salsa, they like their crisps19:24
Sputright, "crisps" was the word in that weird dialect spoken on the islands :)19:24
* Sput always forgets19:25
Sputcrisp soup?19:25
dailystruggleI will be there tomorrow I was going to today but...19:25
dailystruggleMonday I think they called that Tex Mex but not a real Tex Mex19:26
dailystruggleNo Peppers19:26
Riddellyes they've very lax with the spices here19:27
JontheEchidnaGet a volcano taco at Taco Bell if you want spicy19:28
dailystruggleTaco Bell? no just pick the peppers from my garden19:29
dailystruggleI call them mild but most people can't eat them19:30
Riddelldailystruggle: you're interested in Kubuntu?19:30
dailystruggleYes I run a real mucked up system cureently kgubuntu19:31
Riddellwell do say hi when you come here tomorrow19:31
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidTranslations for your reviewing pleasure19:32
dailystruggleI am doing my best to work around upstart It is so foreign19:32
dailystruggleThey should release a pack that explains the differences19:33
ulysses__ah, translation19:34
dailystruggleis this tomorrow?19:35
* apachelogger_ is wondering how the proposed translations solution is solving any of the long-term maintenance issues19:37
apachelogger_in fact the solution seems to be what should have been there before we even started using rosetta19:37
apachelogger_oh wellz19:37
apachelogger_Nightrose: interested in moderating a wideband delphi?19:38
apachelogger_or know someone who could be convinced?19:38
Nightroseapachelogger_: a what?19:38
apachelogger_Nightrose: watching me and others get high and float above everything :P19:39
Nightroseapachelogger_: oh dear - sorry but no19:40
Nightrosenot really ;-)19:40
apachelogger_Nightrose: any suggestions?19:40
apachelogger_otherwise I will drag some homeless dude of the street to become kubuntu's delphi :P19:41
dailystruggleYou can find some just a few blocks away19:41
dailystruggleSalvation Army:-D19:42
dailystruggleonly ten blocks from UDS19:44
* apachelogger_ is not at uds though :P19:48
dailystrugglemaybe one nearby19:49
* apachelogger_ sings come fly with me and asks Nightrose for a dance20:04
* Nightrose dances with apachelogger_20:04
ScottKapachelogger_: What we have is an agreement from the other side of the discussion on what they have to do by Alpha 2 for us to make a decision and some agreement that it might be reasonable for us not to use Rosetta.20:10
ScottKI think that is a good step.20:10
cragdorHi all!20:11
ScottKSo we either get proof it's fixed or we do the other thing and they've agreed to be OK with that.20:11
ScottKHello cragdor.20:11
cragdorHi ScottK, Hows things?20:11
apachelogger_ScottK: hopefully20:11
ScottKcragdor: I'm at the Ubuntu Developer Summit, so very busy.20:12
ScottKapachelogger_: Yes, hopefullly.  But progress.20:12
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidWebsiteMarketingBranding  new spec for your reviewing pleasure20:23
ryanakcaRiddell: Sorry, could you add the "Prod Ng about his DB clone" Action item from the gobby session?20:36
faleI wanted to point out a package that I have done for rekonq 0.3.020:42
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Tonio_Riddell: where's the wiki page who lists all kubuntu migrations performed in the past, like the french parliament ?21:02
Tonio_Riddell: I'll have to push kde on a project tomorrow :)21:03
dailystruggledoes anyone have the link to the room map there at UDS21:09
RiddellTonio_: I don't believe there is one21:10
Riddellryanakca: I did with "We will also request to the sysadmins to follow up on a database clone so we can migrate changes."  please clarify that if it's not well written21:10
Tonio_Riddell: there was one afair no ?21:11
Tonio_with all our derivatives and references21:11
Tonio_I seem to remember about that21:11
Riddellhi fale, were there any packaging differences needed compared to 0.2.90?21:11
Tonio_Riddell: nevermind, I'll try to make a list, thanks :)21:11
faleRiddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35828640/rekonq_0.2.0-0ubuntu1_0.3.0-0ubuntu0.diff.gz21:12
Riddellbut that not a list of big users21:12
Tonio_Riddell: hum thanks that'll help21:12
Tonio_Riddell: yeah, you're right21:12
Riddellfale: so just a changelog entry, easy21:13
faleRiddell: yep, and, obviusly, the update of the code21:13
Riddellfale: our package in lucid has a patch kubuntu_01_polish_config_dialog.diff we should work out where that came from and if it's still needed21:16
RiddellJontheEchidna: where did that come from?21:16
faleRiddell: the main author has open a branch for the kde inclusion21:17
faleRiddell: and, in any, case, I'm for upstreaming as much as possible... If you want, I can try to speak to the author for upstreaming the patch..21:17
RiddellI just don't know where it came from or what it's for, the changelog isn't very useful and there's no bug number21:18
RiddellI'm sure jon will appear soon to explain all21:19
Riddellhe's good like that21:19
faleI see ;)21:20
Tonio_rgreening: hey21:21
Tonio_rgreening: you asked for me yesterday ?21:21
macohi Tonio_21:22
Tonio_hey maco21:22
macoi havent been called a mistress yet this week21:22
rgreeningHey Tonio_21:22
Tonio_maco: :)21:22
Riddellmaco: do you want to be?21:22
rgreeningmaco: mistress maco21:22
macoRiddell: no21:22
Riddellwouldn't have thought so21:22
Tonio_maco: I hope you forgave mee :)21:22
macoTonio_: yes, but that doesnt mean i cant tease you!21:23
rgreeningTonio_: yeah, I was going to ask you about the filesharing for kde (net usershare)21:23
Tonio_maco: thinking about it, I seem to remember that theorically I was right, just that the word isn't used that way :)21:23
Tonio_maco: feel free to tease me :)21:23
rgreeningTonio_: did you do any work towards that? We are looking at it again...21:23
Tonio_rgreening: yeah, my priority this cycle21:23
rgreeningTonio_: are you going to have real time this cycle?21:24
macoTonio_: yes well theoretically "awful" and "awesome" used to be synonyms21:25
Riddellmaco: they did?21:26
* maco finds citation21:28
Riddellany volunteers to be approvers for the specs I've written?21:30
Tonio_rgreening: the plan is to wait for smarter who will start just the gui21:31
Tonio_rgreening: then I'll help to plug the net usershare commands21:31
Tonio_rgreening: the idea is to have something as simple as possible21:31
Tonio_rgreening: simply port nautilus share to kde in fact21:31
rgreeningTonio_: I'm hacking onit now...21:31
rgreeningwell, looking more to the point...21:31
Tonio_rgreening: hum, don't dupe the effort with smarter :)21:31
macoRiddell: http://www.qotd.org/archive/daily.html?date=2006-08-14 read the last quote21:32
Tonio_rgreening: the idea is to put this in a tab in folders preferences :21:32
Tonio_rgreening: http://gentoo.ovibes.net/nautilus-share/mediawiki-1.4.4/index.php/Image:Nautilus-share-hig-tab.png21:32
rgreeningTonio_: year, kdefileshare is part of kdenetwork-filesharing21:32
SputRiddell: in older English books you'll still find "awesome" with a negative meaning21:32
Tonio_rgreening: we'll drop all of that21:32
rgreeningTonio_: yeah21:33
Tonio_rgreening: way easier to restart from scratch21:33
Tonio_rgreening: the way kdefileshare is completly crap21:33
macoRiddell: also, oooooo neat http://www.prismnet.com/~dierdorf/ww-38.html21:33
macoSput: no as in "awful" used to be a compliment21:33
macoSput: meaning "full of awe"21:34
Tonio_rgreening: smarter will create the tab with UI, then I'll work with him on the code to get the good samba commands typed in21:34
Tonio_rgreening: last step will be to integrate with dolphin to get a shared symbol on shared folders21:34
Tonio_rgreening: as you can see we know what to do and will do it :)21:34
Tonio_rgreening: nothing very complicated.... just... it needs to be done21:34
rgreeningTonio_: ever since fiesty, if I recall...21:35
rgreeningso, must be trivial :)21:35
Tonio_rgreening: yeah... that sucks21:35
Tonio_rgreening: devs are using sshfs, whatever21:35
Sputmaco: but "awe" can also mean "fear"21:35
Sputand I've encountered sentences like "awesome thunderstorm" or "awesome silence"21:35
Tonio_rgreening: it's just unbelievable that nobody seems to be concerned with file sharing...21:36
macoSput: ah true21:36
Sputshock & awe :)21:36
Tonio_rgreening: sometimes I wonder if desktop apps devs use their desktop or not :)21:36
Sputmy dictionary tells me meaning for awesome reaching from "fantastic" to "terrifying"21:36
faleRiddell: do you think kubuntu will pass to plymouth for Lucid?21:37
Tonio_rgreening: we'll get this done in time for lucid21:37
Tonio_rgreening: I have put that on top of my todo list21:37
JontheEchidnaRiddell: oh, I did that patch. I popped in #rekonq a few weeks ago and presented the patch but I never got a response. I should try again21:38
Riddellfale: no, but usplash may go away21:38
RiddellJontheEchidna: what's it for?21:38
faleRiddell: why don't switch directly to plymouth?21:38
Riddellfale: better to just boot fast enough that it's not needed21:38
JontheEchidnaRiddell: the config dialog uses a tree view for no good reason (there are no child modules)21:38
RiddellJontheEchidna: ok we'll keep it for now then but maybe try e-mailing upstream if irc doesn't work, or bug report21:39
Riddellfale: could you redo your rekonq 0.3.0 package with the patch from our version in lucid?21:39
faleRiddell: fedora uses plymouth and boots fast..21:39
faleRiddell: yes, I'll do it later today (GMT+1)21:39
JontheEchidnaI also have a string patch to change the config dialog title from "rekonfig..." to "Configure - rekonq" like most other KDE apps, but I didn't include the patch in our packages since that's a string change21:40
RiddellJontheEchidna: rekonq doesn't come with any translations so string changes aren't an issue currently21:41
JontheEchidnaIf they do in the future it would be a problem, best to play it safe and just get it upstream from the start, etc21:41
faleJontheEchidna: do you think I can propose it upstream?21:42
JontheEchidnaI'll try the mailing list next21:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: right enough21:42
JontheEchidnafale: It would probably be better for me to propose it as the author.21:44
faleJontheEchidna: on this yes, but better someone else that noone ;)21:44
JontheEchidnaI do plan on doing it, I just forgot about trying again :P21:45
faleJontheEchidna: I see21:45
faleJontheEchidna: I'm going to download now the patch and apply it to the package21:45
faleRiddell: I have to compile it streight for lucid, isn't it?21:45
JontheEchidnaI'm going to write up a mail to the rekonq mailing list right now so I don't forget ;-)21:46
Riddellfale: preferably yes, you can set up a chroot21:46
faleJontheEchidna: if you have a gitorious account, is better to do it in gitorious21:46
Riddellfale: also the package in your PPA is done as a native package (since .tar.gz) it should have a .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz, you probably named the .orig.tar.gz wrong21:46
faleRiddell: couldn't I just tell soyuz to do it?21:46
Riddellfale: yes you could put lucid in the changelog and upload to a PPA21:47
faleRiddell: I'm using the debuild -S ...maybe I'm using the wrong parameter21:47
Riddellfale: that's fine, it's the tar name which is wrong21:47
Riddellneeds to be rekonq_0.3.0.orig.tar.gz21:47
faleRiddell: ok, renamed :)21:49
faleRiddell: which folder should be in the archive? all out of 'debian'?21:50
Riddellfale: which archive?21:50
bdgraueRiddell: sry to interrupt, i have seen that last plasma-widget-networkmanagement failed to build?21:50
Riddellthe orig.tar.gz should be the sources from upstream21:50
Riddellbdgraue: oh blurg21:50
faleRiddell: the sources from upstream are in a folder... should I remove the folder?21:51
Riddellfale: I'd need to see the layout of all your files to answer that21:52
faleRiddell: the layou of the files should be the same?21:52
Riddellrekonq_0.3.0.orig.tar.gz should extract to rekonq-0.3.0/ which contains the sources21:53
Riddellyou add rekonq-0.3.0/debian/ with the packaging21:53
Riddelldebuild -S -sa   will make a .diff.gz and a .dsc all ready for upload21:53
faleRiddell: ok21:54
faleRiddell: dh: unable to load addon kde: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/kde.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 8) line 2. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 8) line 2.21:58
JontheEchidnaoh, that requires the fancy new dh7 stuff in lucid22:01
JontheEchidnareverting debian/rules to the 0.2.0 code and re-adding the cdbs dependency will fix that22:01
faleI see22:01
faleJontheEchidna: is that 'good'?22:02
JontheEchidnaIt really won't have any noticable effects22:02
faleJontheEchidna: I see22:02
JontheEchidnaMainly it just makes the packaging a bit cleaner/more future-proof22:03
ryanakcaRiddell: Sorry, I must've missed that. Looks good :)22:04
faleI think it hasn't used the orig file :(22:04
ScottKRiddell: Based on the updates policy we've got in front of the tech board, KDE 4.4 would stay in a PPA.  This same PPA can have Qt 4.6.22:05
ScottKshtylman__: We should have 4.6 in lucid, so backporting it has nothing to do with that.22:06
JontheEchidnafale: ok, patch mailed to upstream w/ a case for inclusion22:06
faleJontheEchidna: cool ;)22:07
Riddell 22:07
JontheEchidnabah, awaiting moderator approval22:07
faleJontheEchidna: I'm trying to make the upload working correctly22:07
JontheEchidnaI really hope they'll consider the patch. I know that they have ideas about the uniqueness of the project, but taking a little conformancy for professionalism would really help imo22:08
* fale agrees22:08
* JontheEchidna wonders how open they'd be to use "Rekonq" throughout the gui rather than "rekonq"22:08
RiddellI know that finding a decent name is on their todo22:09
faleJontheEchidna: in any ways they will work on conformacy before 0.422:10
JontheEchidnacool, maybe this patch will be the start22:10
faleRiddell: File rekonq_0.3.0.orig.tar.gz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu, but uploaded version has different contents.22:11
faleRiddell: Is strange, because I have only downloaded it from upstream22:11
JontheEchidnaoh, you could do a debuild -S -sd and not have to upload the entire tarball then22:12
JontheEchidnasince Ubuntu already has a copy22:12
faleJontheEchidna: trying22:13
Riddell? thre is no rekonq_0.3.0.orig.tar.gz in the archives22:13
JontheEchidnareally? I uploaded it earlier today22:13
faleRiddell: launchpad sees it :s22:13
falemmm then I may be doing an already done work :s22:14
JontheEchidnaoh, yeah... you probably are. Sorry about not seeing that earlier22:14
faleJontheEchidna: np ;)22:14
RiddellJontheEchidna: oh, blah, so you did22:14
Riddellwell in that case fale probably just wants to do the backports thing for that22:14
faleJontheEchidna: I still must take a lot of confidence with packages... than exercising more is not bad ;)22:14
JontheEchidnaI would appreciate somebody doing the backport, if you're interested22:15
faleRiddell: guess so ;)22:15
faleJontheEchidna: yes :) I'll try it22:15
falehow can I download the sources for lucid from karmic?22:15
RiddellJontheEchidna: are you listening to the session?22:16
JontheEchidnaoh, is there a session now?22:16
Riddelltouchpad config22:16
Riddell #ubuntu-uds-waverly22:17
JontheEchidnaI kinda am packaging that, aren't I ;-)22:17
* jussi01 is in the -eomen session...22:17
jussi01-women even22:17
falerejected again :(22:20
faletrying again :s22:22
faleJontheEchidna: accepted :) I link you it now or as soon as it will be compiled?22:26
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JontheEchidnafale: now would be fine22:27
faleJontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppaa/+packages22:28
faleJontheEchidna: sorry: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa/+packages22:29
JontheEchidnafale: as an aside, generally it's good practice to add ~karmic1 to the version of backport packages22:31
faleJontheEchidna: didn't knew that... I can do it with it ;)22:31
faleJontheEchidna: going up ;)22:32
JontheEchidnaOh, I should probably tell you why we do that22:33
JontheEchidnaThe ~karmic1 makes the version number lower than 0ubuntu1, so thatupgrades to the next kubuntu release work smoothly22:33
JontheEchidnaso It'll probably fail to upload since you already have 0buntu1 in your ppa. No biggie though22:34
JontheEchidnaMultitouch support for Qt apps in general is coming for Qt 4.622:35
faleJontheEchidna: wait... I should call it rekonq_0.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1 or rekonq_0.3.0~karmic1-0ubuntu1?22:35
JontheEchidnaer, wrong channel22:35
JontheEchidnaThe first one, though it's too late for this upload22:35
faleJontheEchidna: I  see.. well... it failed :/22:36
JontheEchidnaDoes it build-depend on debhelper, cdbs and pkg-kde-tools?22:37
faleJontheEchidna: nope, I was going to check it22:37
faleJontheEchidna: at this point how should I call it? karmc2?22:38
JontheEchidnato be able to use ~ you'd have to bump it to 0ubuntu222:39
faleI think I can do it without bumping version ;)22:39
faleJontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa/+packages22:45
JontheEchidnalooks like it's getting farther now :)22:48
faleJontheEchidna: yep22:49
faleJontheEchidna: Build-Depends: debhelper, quilt, pkg-kde-tools, cddb, docbook2x, kdelibs5-dev22:51
fale-.- spell, damn22:51
faleJontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa/+packages done :)23:00
faleJontheEchidna: :)23:02
JontheEchidnaSo for official backports you'd want to follow the written stuff here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#Backport Process23:04
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faleJontheEchidna: where should I post for a 'comment or feedback'?23:07
Riddelldavidbarth: ping23:08
Riddelldavidbarth: you wanted moi and aurelien?23:08
JontheEchidnafale: probably you could put out a general call for testing here for testers for your ppa packages23:09
JontheEchidnathen they could comment on how they worked out. I'm sure there are plenty of people here who could test23:09
JontheEchidnaI would but I'm crazy and am already using lucid :x23:09
faleI see23:09
JontheEchidnaIn fact I would have done rekonq 0.3.0 last night if X was working23:11
JontheEchidnabut that's partially my fault for turning off the computer at the wrong time23:11
JontheEchidnaI suppose I could blame it on the pre-alpha-ness, but I'm the one who chose to use pre-alpha crack in the first place23:12
JontheEchidnaI think I'm just rambling at this point23:12
faleIsee it23:12
Lindowsis there any update on the ext4 data corruption? is a patch coming?23:13
LindowsI just ran an md5sum on a windowXP virtual image, 30GB+, definately corruption of large files23:13
JontheEchidna#ubuntu-devel would probably be a better place to query on that. Kubuntu doesn't really touch low-level things like that23:14
Lindowsthank you23:15
JontheEchidnayou're welcome. Sorry I couldn't be of more help23:16
JontheEchidnathe sendaround can be annoying, I'm sure. ;-)23:17
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* Riddell spots kb9vqf causing trouble on kde-devel :)23:19
* kb9vqf ducks and hides23:19
zoraelKopete won't play any sounds, and when I try to force it to by previewing sounds for an event under notifications, it crashes without invoking DrKonqi and spouts "kopete: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_xine.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData13detach_helperEPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Ei" to the terminal. Should I take it to bugs.kde.org?23:23
Lex79JontheEchidna: your pim-runtime merge is in progress?23:23
zoraelActually, systemsettings does the same when trying to open the Multimedia section. "systemsettings: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_xine.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData13detach_helperEPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Ei"23:24
faleanyone wants to try rekonq 0.3.0 under karmic?23:24
zoraelNevermind, allegedly caused by incomplete migration to Qt 4.6, guess I'll downgrade some packages.23:27
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