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| jdong | kees / pitti: Now this is an interesting one.... | 04:51 |
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| jdong | btrfs snapshots can bypass AppArmor restrictions | 04:51 |
| jdong | i.e. log into a GDM guest account | 04:51 |
| jdong | cd /tmp | 04:51 |
| jdong | btrfs -s test / | 04:51 |
| jdong | btrfsctl, rather | 04:51 |
| jdong | now, /tmp/test provides a apparmor-unrestricted look into / | 04:52 |
| * Laibsch would like to ask for input on how to progress with bug 420918 | 05:46 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 420918 in isdnutils "please update libcapi" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420918 | 05:46 |
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| bluefoxicy | so, for the past month or so Ubuntu has been running without cutting over 50% of my ram | 11:46 |
| bluefoxicy | usually I'm 4 gigs deep and about a gig into swap. | 11:46 |
| bluefoxicy | What did you guys do? | 11:46 |
| highvoltage | bluefoxicy: heh, I keep running into users who say things like "I'm running Ubuntu 5.10 because my hardware is old so I'm running an older system that should be faster" | 11:47 |
| bluefoxicy | highvoltage: lol... well the newer versions were eating like 50 times more ram | 11:47 |
| highvoltage | bluefoxicy: I don't know, I think they're getting more efficient | 11:48 |
| bluefoxicy | I remember always having gimp, firefox, thunderbird, gaim, xchat, a terminal, and rhythmbox running, and needing 512M because I'd be 400MB into RAM all the time | 11:48 |
| highvoltage | bluefoxicy: gnome-terminal uses much less memory per tab than it used to, and so does firefox and openoffice | 11:48 |
| bluefoxicy | now I don't have gimp open like ever, yet I was always burried 4 gigs deep | 11:48 |
| bluefoxicy | and now, about 2 gigs, with very little used as system cache | 11:48 |
| highvoltage | bluefoxicy: my main desktop has 5GB RAM and for normal use I don't ever go above 1.5GB | 11:49 |
| bluefoxicy | I mean, it would make sense if half my ram was ate by cache and buffers; unfortunately it was more like 20 megs went to disk cache | 11:49 |
| highvoltage | ever/much :) | 11:49 |
| bluefoxicy | and the rest was all resident program memory | 11:49 |
| bluefoxicy | highvoltage: yeah, mine's doing that now, I'm trying to figure why. | 11:49 |
| bluefoxicy | gnome-terminal isn't being crazy huh. Firefox seems to have huge RAM usage and it gets laggy (if I type I have to wait 1 second between each letter appearing,and the whole program freezes until it's caught up to me) | 11:50 |
| bluefoxicy | restarting firefox fixes that for a couple hours though. | 11:50 |
| highvoltage | bluefoxicy: yeah I had that too :( | 11:50 |
| highvoltage | bluefoxicy: I've switched to chromium now and it's way faster than firefox and it doesn't do that laggy thing | 11:50 |
| bluefoxicy | it's a bug in xulrunner | 11:50 |
| bluefoxicy | thunderbird does it too. | 11:51 |
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| pitti | jdong: ugh, interesting; this sounds very much related to apparmor's inability to work with aufs, too; it only seems to work on "real iron" file systems | 14:25 |
| pitti | jdong: could you please file this as an apparmor bug? | 14:25 |
| jdong | sure thing | 14:25 |
| jdong | seeing that btrfs seems close to being around the corner... it'd be good to get this on the radar screen | 14:26 |
| jdong | it is somewhat "surprising" behavior that the snapshotting ioctl is accessible by unprivileged users | 14:26 |
| pitti | that, too; I guess it expects file system permissions to be respected | 14:27 |
| jdong | *nods* indeed | 14:27 |
| jdong | given that it's not a terribly expensive operation and UNIX DAC wise doesn't elevate any access... I suppose in that way it's "safe" | 14:28 |
| pitti | which is not really unreasonable, of course | 14:28 |
| jdong | indeed | 14:28 |
| jdong | pitti: ok, filed as bug 484786 | 14:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 484786 in apparmor "Too easy to circumvent AppArmor using btrfs snapshots" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484786 | 14:32 |
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| robbiew | slangasek: the dkms issue was related to VirtualBox.... vboxdrv (3.0.8) failing to build...forgot I had VirtualBox installed :/ | 16:10 |
| robbiew | so not THAT big of a deal right now | 16:10 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: shouldn't a dkms build failure be reported to the users during boot? | 16:11 |
| Keybuk | robbiew: no, but apport could popup after login | 16:13 |
| robbiew | right...sorry...that's what I meant | 16:13 |
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| davidboy | Is it possible to download Lucid before Alpha 1? | 17:03 |
| smoser | soren, is there a general "vmbuilder improvements" session? or one that i missed. | 17:08 |
| maco | soren: wouln't it make sense to add lucid to karmic's ubuntu-vm-builder "suite" option so that karmic users can test it in a vm without having to do it as a karmic vm then do-release-upgrade? | 17:24 |
| maco | is that SRUable or would it require backports or...? | 17:24 |
| ebroder | Isn't there usually an SRU for debootstrap? | 17:24 |
| ebroder | Hmm...I guess it's always done as a backport | 17:25 |
| Riddell | asac: will you do the spec for desktop-lucid-firefox-kde-integration or shall I? | 17:33 |
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| kirkland | Keybuk: okay, you're not the only one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1267224 | 20:09 |
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| jdong | heh in general, how do you in Linux tell ACPI to keep a PCI device on during suspend? | 20:19 |
| jdong | Windows device manager has a per-device checkbox for doing that | 20:19 |
| jdong | I'm assuming that translates to some sort of ACPI voodoo | 20:19 |
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| a6 | hello | 22:29 |
| a6 | help me thanks | 22:29 |
| a6 | http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/plain-44908 | 22:29 |
| a6 | many people have concernerd | 22:30 |
| mneptok | a6: have you filed a bug regarding this issue on Launchpad? | 22:31 |
| a6 | NO | 22:31 |
| mneptok | svp | 22:31 |
| a6 | ok | 22:32 |
| mneptok | merci bien | 22:32 |
| superm1_ | pitti, are you available right now, or hiding busy in a session? | 22:32 |
| Keybuk | mpt: my favourite thing | 22:45 |
| Keybuk | "[icon] There are wireless networks available. Click this icon to see them" | 22:45 |
| mpt | I like you too, Keybuk | 22:46 |
| Keybuk | floating in the middle of the screen | 22:46 |
| mpt | oh | 22:46 |
| Keybuk | if I try and click the icon, it hides on me | 22:46 |
| Keybuk | and there's no other copy of that icon anywhere else on my computer | 22:46 |
| mpt | hm, missing patch in nm-applet | 22:46 |
| Keybuk | surely it should just popup the window with the wireless networks | 22:47 |
| Keybuk | update-manager style? | 22:47 |
| mpt | that would make sense | 22:47 |
| mpt | there doesn't seem to be a bug report on this | 22:48 |
| Keybuk | I was going to tweet about it instead | 22:48 |
| mpt | On the grounds that if people whine long enough about us using a proprietary bug tracker, Twitter will eventually be open-sourced? | 22:49 |
| mpt | Keybuk, did you happen to grab a screenshot? I haven't seen that myself so I'm uncomfortable reporting it | 22:50 |
| Keybuk | mpt: make it forget ibahn and ubuntu | 22:51 |
| Keybuk | then toggle your wireless off and on again | 22:51 |
| jdong | why was it decided that notify bubbles act like the ghost characters in nintendo video games?? | 22:52 |
| ebroder | Haha | 22:52 |
| jdong | lol | 22:52 |
| jdong | that's the best metaphor I can come up with for them! | 22:52 |
| jdong | and just like those things, it's frustrating figuring out how to get rid of them. | 22:53 |
| jdong | I haven't figured out how to bounce eggs off the sides of the display yet :( | 22:53 |
| mpt | Keybuk, ok, I'll try that in a bit, thanks | 22:55 |
| * mpt is momentarily distracted by reporting bugs about Launchpad itself | 22:56 | |
| TheMuso | c | 22:59 |
| Laney | defghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz | 23:00 |
| chrisccoulson | hello Laney! | 23:00 |
| Laney | greetings sir! | 23:00 |
| Laney | any sign of $baby yet? | 23:01 |
| chrisccoulson | she arrived yesterday :) | 23:01 |
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| Laney | oh wow, congratulations | 23:01 |
| TheMuso | chrisccoulson: Congratulations. | 23:01 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks:) | 23:01 |
| chrisccoulson | i had a very short day at work yesterday! | 23:02 |
| Laney | now the real fun begins | 23:02 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah! although, they're still both in hospital at the moment | 23:02 |
| chrisccoulson | so i have another night of peace ;) | 23:03 |
| lfuser-741 | hello anyone there ? | 23:06 |
| Laney | hah, you better savour it :) | 23:07 |
| Laney | Good job you didn't go to Texas then eh? | 23:07 |
| lfuser-741 | hey - can anyone help me ? I am newbie | 23:07 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, it's a good job i'm not there | 23:07 |
| ajmitch | chrisccoulson: congratulations | 23:07 |
| chrisccoulson | ajmitch - thanks:) | 23:08 |
| chrisccoulson | and thanks TheMuso too | 23:08 |
| lfuser-741 | looks like everyine is busy in there own world - no chance of any help here | 23:09 |
| chrisccoulson | lfuser-741 - you want #ubuntu for support | 23:09 |
| lfuser-741 | thanks chris for your reply - yes - need a little bit help | 23:10 |
| Laney | bed time anyway | 23:10 |
| Laney | goodnight all | 23:10 |
| chrisccoulson | 'night Laney | 23:10 |
| ebroder | lfuser-741: It's generally considered bad etiquette in IRC to ask permission to ask your question, But this is still the wrong channel | 23:10 |
| maxb | james_w: Hi, do you have a moment to talk about a tricky UDD merge? | 23:10 |
| james_w | maxb: I'm almost out of battery, so have just a few minutes | 23:11 |
| lfuser-741 | ok = chris - my first time in this forum - can your please guide me to the write forum where some one may be able to help me ? | 23:12 |
| maxb | james_w: ok, I'll keep it short: are there known problems when uploads to experimental are involved | 23:12 |
| maxb | ? | 23:12 |
| james_w | no known issues | 23:13 |
| james_w | doesn't mean there aren't any, what are you seeing? | 23:13 |
| lfuser-741 | ebroder - which channel should I go for any help ? | 23:13 |
| ebroder | lfuser-741: #ubuntu. This is #ubuntu-devel. Go to #ubuntu | 23:13 |
| lfuser-741 | ok - thanks ebroder - will head that way. your guidance much appreciated | 23:14 |
| Lindows | hope this is he right channel finally =) | 23:14 |
| maxb | james_w: After a merge from experimental->karmic, the subsequent upload to karmic which was a merge from unstable didn't have ancestry recorded as such. | 23:15 |
| Lindows | I just ran a md5sum comparing a backup of a windowsXP virtual image (30GB+, ext3) against what it wrote to my local drive (ext4) and the md5sums don't match... | 23:15 |
| maxb | This resulted in hilarity like "bzr merge-package" attempting to re-merge already-included changes, and all the file-id mess in the world | 23:15 |
| Lindows | is there a patch coming? | 23:15 |
| maxb | james_w: Ok, since there are no outstanding issues for you to point me to, I shall chronicle the mess to ubuntu-distributed-devel@ | 23:16 |
| jdong | Lindows: I think that's a known bug. | 23:16 |
| Lindows | is there a patch coming? | 23:16 |
| jdong | bug 453579 I believe is the right one | 23:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 453579 in ubuntu-release-notes "in-place corruption of large files *without fsck or reboot* reported with linux 2.6.31-14.46 on ext4" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453579 | 23:16 |
| maxb | james_w: Oh, one last question - if an import has wrong history, is the preferred approach to do some fixup commits, or is binning the existing branch an re-importing an option? | 23:17 |
| jdong | Lindows: to be honest I don't think anyone actually knows what the real cause of it is. | 23:17 |
| Lindows | okay, a better question, is it coming soon enough that I can wait it out or should I reinstall the OS using ext3 because it'll be a month or more? | 23:17 |
| jdong | the Karmic release notes did mention this bug... | 23:17 |
| Lindows | okay...hrm | 23:17 |
| jdong | it appears to be rare and only dealing with large files | 23:18 |
| jdong | so yeah, for the time being if you do a lot of work with large files, good idea to not use ext4 :-/ | 23:18 |
| james_w | maxb: Thanks, mail is the best way, thanks for investigating. As for wrong history, I'd have to think about it | 23:18 |
| jdong | my personal opinion is that XFS is one of the best behaving filesystems to put VM images on | 23:18 |
| james_w | pointers to such branches on the mailing list appreciated | 23:18 |
| Lindows | well, I mean, definate "a lot", any video game file is > 512MB | 23:18 |
| jdong | but others will certainly disagree :) | 23:18 |
| jdong | Lindows: yeah that's one of the problems. | 23:18 |
| Lindows | define* | 23:18 |
| maxb | james_w: Actually I guess, to make this work, you'd have to replace history in sid branch too, so I guess a history rewrite would be ... complex and unwelcome. | 23:19 |
| jdong | nobody really knows what "big" actually means :) | 23:19 |
| jdong | it's one of those magical mystery voodoo bugs. | 23:19 |
| Lindows | well, crap | 23:19 |
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| Lindows | guess I'm reinstalling | 23:19 |
| jdong | yeah sorry about your luck... | 23:20 |
| slangasek | Lindows: the original bug reporter says there's a patch which fixes it; I'm going to try to escalate that to the next kernel SRU | 23:20 |
| Lindows | awesome, thank you | 23:20 |
| jdong | and I hope the said patch will fix it :) | 23:20 |
| slangasek | (so that I can stop getting lots of useless and irrelevant bug mail from people who have *none of the relevant symptoms*) | 23:20 |
| jdong | slangasek: yeah I think I hit the reset button yesterday and.. | 23:20 |
| jdong | *HIDES* | 23:20 |
| slangasek | jdong: Keybuk has already reported that it *does* fix it on his system; and almost no one else has actually reproduced it reliably | 23:21 |
| jdong | cool | 23:21 |
| slangasek | jdong: so are you here? | 23:21 |
| jdong | the most amusing part about that bug was the comment someone made about iterative md5summing "converging" on some value :) | 23:21 |
| jdong | slangasek: sadly I am not :( | 23:21 |
| jdong | as much as I'd love to be there right now, schoolwork requires me to stay planted. | 23:22 |
| Lindows | I guess I'll wait it out then, whenever the patch hits I can easily test it | 23:22 |
| Lindows | the update | 23:23 |
| Lindows | thank you for all your help | 23:23 |
| slangasek | jdong: doh | 23:29 |
| ebroder | Yeah, it turns out that the UDS scheduling is really crappy for students | 23:30 |
| ebroder | Because November and April are always OH CRAP CRUNCH TIME months | 23:30 |
| ebroder | Err, I guess it's November and May. May being worse, of course | 23:31 |
| jdong | heh indeed | 23:32 |
| jdong | hell even the one that was on MIT, I literally could not find the time to go to | 23:32 |
| slangasek | jdong: solution: stop studying, join the Free Software career track | 23:34 |
| slangasek | ;) | 23:34 |
| jdong | hahaha :) | 23:34 |
| chrisccoulson | jdong - what are you studying? | 23:36 |
| jdong | chrisccoulson: Electrical Engineering and Computer Science :) | 23:36 |
| chrisccoulson | jdong - i did straight electronics engineering | 23:37 |
| ebroder | slangasek: Where were you with that advice 3 years ago when I started? Now it just doesn't seem worth the trouble :-P | 23:37 |
| chrisccoulson | but i wish i did more of the computer science bit ;) | 23:37 |
| jdong | chrisccoulson: cool; I personally have a slightly bitter relationship with the EE side of myself ;-) | 23:37 |
| jdong | but it exists enough that I don't want to ignore it completely. | 23:37 |
| chrisccoulson | jdong - me too. i really enjoyed studying it, but i absolutely hate working in electronics | 23:37 |
| jdong | the electric machines (i.e. motors / electromagnetics) and control systems side of me does manifest itself from time to time.... | 23:38 |
| jdong | but yeah by far I prefer to be on the CS and software engineering sides of things | 23:38 |
| jdong | maybe because there's less ways to set the room on fire ;-) | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, i enjoy setting the room on fire, but there's not much chance of doing that in my job | 23:39 |
| chrisccoulson | i definately wish i'd done software instead! | 23:39 |
| * ajmitch thought that setting the room on fire was one of the perks | 23:40 | |
| chrisccoulson | ajmitch - i thought that too ;) | 23:41 |
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| donpdonp | what .h file declares DBUS_BUS_ACTIVATION ? i have various dbus -dev packages installed but "grep -r DBUS_BUS_ACTIVATION /usr/include/dbus-1.0/" turns up nothing. | 23:42 |
| jdong | ajmitch: if it's a "don't ask don't tell" fire, I'm all for that! | 23:44 |
| chrisccoulson | perhaps if i worked on something which wasn't safety critical, then there'd be more chance of fire :) | 23:45 |
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