=== dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:51] kees / pitti: Now this is an interesting one.... [04:51] btrfs snapshots can bypass AppArmor restrictions [04:51] i.e. log into a GDM guest account [04:51] cd /tmp [04:51] btrfs -s test / [04:51] btrfsctl, rather [04:52] now, /tmp/test provides a apparmor-unrestricted look into / [05:46] * Laibsch would like to ask for input on how to progress with bug 420918 [05:46] Launchpad bug 420918 in isdnutils "please update libcapi" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/420918 === micahg1 is now known as micahg === jdong_ is now known as jdong === YDdraigGoch is now known as WelshDragon === asac_ is now known as asac === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [11:46] so, for the past month or so Ubuntu has been running without cutting over 50% of my ram [11:46] usually I'm 4 gigs deep and about a gig into swap. [11:46] What did you guys do? [11:47] bluefoxicy: heh, I keep running into users who say things like "I'm running Ubuntu 5.10 because my hardware is old so I'm running an older system that should be faster" [11:47] highvoltage: lol... well the newer versions were eating like 50 times more ram [11:48] bluefoxicy: I don't know, I think they're getting more efficient [11:48] I remember always having gimp, firefox, thunderbird, gaim, xchat, a terminal, and rhythmbox running, and needing 512M because I'd be 400MB into RAM all the time [11:48] bluefoxicy: gnome-terminal uses much less memory per tab than it used to, and so does firefox and openoffice [11:48] now I don't have gimp open like ever, yet I was always burried 4 gigs deep [11:48] and now, about 2 gigs, with very little used as system cache [11:49] bluefoxicy: my main desktop has 5GB RAM and for normal use I don't ever go above 1.5GB [11:49] I mean, it would make sense if half my ram was ate by cache and buffers; unfortunately it was more like 20 megs went to disk cache [11:49] ever/much :) [11:49] and the rest was all resident program memory [11:49] highvoltage: yeah, mine's doing that now, I'm trying to figure why. [11:50] gnome-terminal isn't being crazy huh. Firefox seems to have huge RAM usage and it gets laggy (if I type I have to wait 1 second between each letter appearing,and the whole program freezes until it's caught up to me) [11:50] restarting firefox fixes that for a couple hours though. [11:50] bluefoxicy: yeah I had that too :( [11:50] bluefoxicy: I've switched to chromium now and it's way faster than firefox and it doesn't do that laggy thing [11:50] it's a bug in xulrunner [11:51] thunderbird does it too. === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [14:25] jdong: ugh, interesting; this sounds very much related to apparmor's inability to work with aufs, too; it only seems to work on "real iron" file systems [14:25] jdong: could you please file this as an apparmor bug? [14:25] sure thing [14:26] seeing that btrfs seems close to being around the corner... it'd be good to get this on the radar screen [14:26] it is somewhat "surprising" behavior that the snapshotting ioctl is accessible by unprivileged users [14:27] that, too; I guess it expects file system permissions to be respected [14:27] *nods* indeed [14:28] given that it's not a terribly expensive operation and UNIX DAC wise doesn't elevate any access... I suppose in that way it's "safe" [14:28] which is not really unreasonable, of course [14:28] indeed [14:32] pitti: ok, filed as bug 484786 [14:32] Launchpad bug 484786 in apparmor "Too easy to circumvent AppArmor using btrfs snapshots" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484786 === chuck_ is now known as zul [16:10] slangasek: the dkms issue was related to VirtualBox.... vboxdrv (3.0.8) failing to build...forgot I had VirtualBox installed :/ [16:10] so not THAT big of a deal right now [16:11] Keybuk: shouldn't a dkms build failure be reported to the users during boot? [16:13] robbiew: no, but apport could popup after login [16:13] right...sorry...that's what I meant === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:03] Is it possible to download Lucid before Alpha 1? [17:08] soren, is there a general "vmbuilder improvements" session? or one that i missed. [17:24] soren: wouln't it make sense to add lucid to karmic's ubuntu-vm-builder "suite" option so that karmic users can test it in a vm without having to do it as a karmic vm then do-release-upgrade? [17:24] is that SRUable or would it require backports or...? [17:24] Isn't there usually an SRU for debootstrap? [17:25] Hmm...I guess it's always done as a backport [17:33] asac: will you do the spec for desktop-lucid-firefox-kde-integration or shall I? === markus_ is now known as thekorn === steve__ is now known as sbeattie [20:09] Keybuk: okay, you're not the only one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1267224 === micahg1 is now known as micahg [20:19] heh in general, how do you in Linux tell ACPI to keep a PCI device on during suspend? [20:19] Windows device manager has a per-device checkbox for doing that [20:19] I'm assuming that translates to some sort of ACPI voodoo === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew === micahg1 is now known as micahg [22:29] hello [22:29] help me thanks [22:29] http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/plain-44908 [22:30] many people have concernerd [22:31] a6: have you filed a bug regarding this issue on Launchpad? [22:31] NO [22:31] svp [22:32] ok [22:32] merci bien [22:32] pitti, are you available right now, or hiding busy in a session? [22:45] mpt: my favourite thing [22:45] "[icon] There are wireless networks available. Click this icon to see them" [22:46] I like you too, Keybuk [22:46] floating in the middle of the screen [22:46] oh [22:46] if I try and click the icon, it hides on me [22:46] and there's no other copy of that icon anywhere else on my computer [22:46] hm, missing patch in nm-applet [22:47] surely it should just popup the window with the wireless networks [22:47] update-manager style? [22:47] that would make sense [22:48] there doesn't seem to be a bug report on this [22:48] I was going to tweet about it instead [22:49] On the grounds that if people whine long enough about us using a proprietary bug tracker, Twitter will eventually be open-sourced? [22:50] Keybuk, did you happen to grab a screenshot? I haven't seen that myself so I'm uncomfortable reporting it [22:51] mpt: make it forget ibahn and ubuntu [22:51] then toggle your wireless off and on again [22:52] why was it decided that notify bubbles act like the ghost characters in nintendo video games?? [22:52] Haha [22:52] lol [22:52] that's the best metaphor I can come up with for them! [22:53] and just like those things, it's frustrating figuring out how to get rid of them. [22:53] I haven't figured out how to bounce eggs off the sides of the display yet :( [22:55] Keybuk, ok, I'll try that in a bit, thanks [22:56] * mpt is momentarily distracted by reporting bugs about Launchpad itself [22:59] c [23:00] defghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz [23:00] hello Laney! [23:00] greetings sir! [23:01] any sign of $baby yet? [23:01] she arrived yesterday :) === Hellow_ is now known as Hellow [23:01] oh wow, congratulations [23:01] chrisccoulson: Congratulations. [23:01] thanks:) [23:02] i had a very short day at work yesterday! [23:02] now the real fun begins [23:02] yeah! although, they're still both in hospital at the moment [23:03] so i have another night of peace ;) [23:06] hello anyone there ? [23:07] hah, you better savour it :) [23:07] Good job you didn't go to Texas then eh? [23:07] hey - can anyone help me ? I am newbie [23:07] yeah, it's a good job i'm not there [23:07] chrisccoulson: congratulations [23:08] ajmitch - thanks:) [23:08] and thanks TheMuso too [23:09] looks like everyine is busy in there own world - no chance of any help here [23:09] lfuser-741 - you want #ubuntu for support [23:10] thanks chris for your reply - yes - need a little bit help [23:10] bed time anyway [23:10] goodnight all [23:10] 'night Laney [23:10] lfuser-741: It's generally considered bad etiquette in IRC to ask permission to ask your question, But this is still the wrong channel [23:10] james_w: Hi, do you have a moment to talk about a tricky UDD merge? [23:11] maxb: I'm almost out of battery, so have just a few minutes [23:12] ok = chris - my first time in this forum - can your please guide me to the write forum where some one may be able to help me ? [23:12] james_w: ok, I'll keep it short: are there known problems when uploads to experimental are involved [23:12] ? [23:13] no known issues [23:13] doesn't mean there aren't any, what are you seeing? [23:13] ebroder - which channel should I go for any help ? [23:13] lfuser-741: #ubuntu. This is #ubuntu-devel. Go to #ubuntu [23:14] ok - thanks ebroder - will head that way. your guidance much appreciated [23:14] hope this is he right channel finally =) [23:15] james_w: After a merge from experimental->karmic, the subsequent upload to karmic which was a merge from unstable didn't have ancestry recorded as such. [23:15] I just ran a md5sum comparing a backup of a windowsXP virtual image (30GB+, ext3) against what it wrote to my local drive (ext4) and the md5sums don't match... [23:15] This resulted in hilarity like "bzr merge-package" attempting to re-merge already-included changes, and all the file-id mess in the world [23:15] is there a patch coming? [23:16] james_w: Ok, since there are no outstanding issues for you to point me to, I shall chronicle the mess to ubuntu-distributed-devel@ [23:16] Lindows: I think that's a known bug. [23:16] is there a patch coming? [23:16] bug 453579 I believe is the right one [23:16] Launchpad bug 453579 in ubuntu-release-notes "in-place corruption of large files *without fsck or reboot* reported with linux 2.6.31-14.46 on ext4" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/453579 [23:17] james_w: Oh, one last question - if an import has wrong history, is the preferred approach to do some fixup commits, or is binning the existing branch an re-importing an option? [23:17] Lindows: to be honest I don't think anyone actually knows what the real cause of it is. [23:17] okay, a better question, is it coming soon enough that I can wait it out or should I reinstall the OS using ext3 because it'll be a month or more? [23:17] the Karmic release notes did mention this bug... [23:17] okay...hrm [23:18] it appears to be rare and only dealing with large files [23:18] so yeah, for the time being if you do a lot of work with large files, good idea to not use ext4 :-/ [23:18] maxb: Thanks, mail is the best way, thanks for investigating. As for wrong history, I'd have to think about it [23:18] my personal opinion is that XFS is one of the best behaving filesystems to put VM images on [23:18] pointers to such branches on the mailing list appreciated [23:18] well, I mean, definate "a lot", any video game file is > 512MB [23:18] but others will certainly disagree :) [23:18] Lindows: yeah that's one of the problems. [23:18] define* [23:19] james_w: Actually I guess, to make this work, you'd have to replace history in sid branch too, so I guess a history rewrite would be ... complex and unwelcome. [23:19] nobody really knows what "big" actually means :) [23:19] it's one of those magical mystery voodoo bugs. [23:19] well, crap === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [23:19] guess I'm reinstalling [23:20] yeah sorry about your luck... [23:20] Lindows: the original bug reporter says there's a patch which fixes it; I'm going to try to escalate that to the next kernel SRU [23:20] awesome, thank you [23:20] and I hope the said patch will fix it :) [23:20] (so that I can stop getting lots of useless and irrelevant bug mail from people who have *none of the relevant symptoms*) [23:20] slangasek: yeah I think I hit the reset button yesterday and.. [23:20] *HIDES* [23:21] jdong: Keybuk has already reported that it *does* fix it on his system; and almost no one else has actually reproduced it reliably [23:21] cool [23:21] jdong: so are you here? [23:21] the most amusing part about that bug was the comment someone made about iterative md5summing "converging" on some value :) [23:21] slangasek: sadly I am not :( [23:22] as much as I'd love to be there right now, schoolwork requires me to stay planted. [23:22] I guess I'll wait it out then, whenever the patch hits I can easily test it [23:23] the update [23:23] thank you for all your help [23:29] jdong: doh [23:30] Yeah, it turns out that the UDS scheduling is really crappy for students [23:30] Because November and April are always OH CRAP CRUNCH TIME months [23:31] Err, I guess it's November and May. May being worse, of course [23:32] heh indeed [23:32] hell even the one that was on MIT, I literally could not find the time to go to [23:34] jdong: solution: stop studying, join the Free Software career track [23:34] ;) [23:34] hahaha :) [23:36] jdong - what are you studying? [23:36] chrisccoulson: Electrical Engineering and Computer Science :) [23:37] jdong - i did straight electronics engineering [23:37] slangasek: Where were you with that advice 3 years ago when I started? Now it just doesn't seem worth the trouble :-P [23:37] but i wish i did more of the computer science bit ;) [23:37] chrisccoulson: cool; I personally have a slightly bitter relationship with the EE side of myself ;-) [23:37] but it exists enough that I don't want to ignore it completely. [23:37] jdong - me too. i really enjoyed studying it, but i absolutely hate working in electronics [23:38] the electric machines (i.e. motors / electromagnetics) and control systems side of me does manifest itself from time to time.... [23:38] but yeah by far I prefer to be on the CS and software engineering sides of things [23:39] maybe because there's less ways to set the room on fire ;-) [23:39] oh, i enjoy setting the room on fire, but there's not much chance of doing that in my job [23:39] i definately wish i'd done software instead! [23:40] * ajmitch thought that setting the room on fire was one of the perks [23:41] ajmitch - i thought that too ;) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:42] what .h file declares DBUS_BUS_ACTIVATION ? i have various dbus -dev packages installed but "grep -r DBUS_BUS_ACTIVATION /usr/include/dbus-1.0/" turns up nothing. [23:44] ajmitch: if it's a "don't ask don't tell" fire, I'm all for that! [23:45] perhaps if i worked on something which wasn't safety critical, then there'd be more chance of fire :)