[00:05] cr3: Hey dude! === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === fader|away is now known as fader_ === markus_ is now known as thekorn [17:57] anybody happen to have an opinion on which VM solution would be "fastest": qemu, VirtualBox, VMware Player === steve__ is now known as sbeattie === fader_ is now known as fader|away [19:58] hi ara [19:58] ara, how things going in conf ? [19:58] hey nagappan, doing good, a lot of sessions! [20:02] ara, cool [20:06] nagappan, how is ldtpv2 going? ;-) === fader|away is now known as fader_ [21:10] hii [21:10] i'm on Lynx [21:10] how to test it? [21:20] anyone? [21:26] switch-testing-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue [21:26] Ubuntu lucid (development branch) \n \l [21:26] anyone using it? [21:26] i am [21:30] switchgirl: Sorry for the delay -- a lot of the testers and developers are in sessions at UDS this week [21:30] switchgirl: At the moment, lucid is largely the same as karmic, so there's not a lot to test yet :) [21:30] switchgirl: But if you are adventurous, updating whenever you see updates available and just using the system is a great way to test. And of course report bugs when you see them ;) [21:31] whats the programme that flashes notices up at me in the top right? [21:31] thats full of lines [21:31] switchgirl: There are also a lot of resources at http://qa.ubuntu.com/ for testing [21:31] Hmm, could be the notification applet or maybe network manager if you are on a wireless network [21:32] If you right-click on it and select 'About' that should tell you [21:32] cant as it greys out [21:32] in karmic its fine [21:32] but not in Lucid [21:33] is there anything to test for lucid yet? [21:33] Hmm, is it a box that is opening some space below the panel that fades out when you move your mouse over it? [21:33] bmwracer0: UDS Lucid is going on right now, which is the planning sessions for Lucid, so there's not a lot to test yet [21:34] ara, sorry was away [21:34] ara, things are going good, started back on LDTPv2 [21:34] ara, now VMware WS 7.0 is released [21:34] ara, have more free time [21:34] bmwracer0: you can find more information about it (including how to participate remotely) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L [21:35] okay thanks [21:37] i gave Lucid a 30 gb space on my hdd after testing it in VirtualBox [21:37] bmwracer0: As I said to switchgirl, if you're feeling adventurous you can always update to lucid and track the updates and help us catch bugs [21:37] switchgirl: Excellent! :D My guess is that bugs will start showing up in the next week or two as development really gets underway. The earlier we can catch them the faster they'll be fixed. [21:38] So if you're willing to play with it in virtualbox and help report bugs, it would be greatly appreciated. [21:38] ok great [21:38] * switchgirl grasps her bug swatter while fader_ godes her on "Lemme at em Lemme at em....." [21:38] where is the information on that? [21:38] i hate bugs [21:38] :) [21:38] switchgirl: :) We all do! [21:39] bmwracer0: Information on what? Upgrading to Lucid? [21:39] nevermind, i found it :) [21:40] Please be aware that as Lucid is under development, there *will* be major bugs that might prevent you from using your system or might cause you to lose data, so you might not want to run it on your main computer [21:40] A secondary system or a virtual machine is recommended, at least until we get somewhat farther in the development cycle. [21:40] its simple bmwracer0 edit sorces and change em to Lucid rather than karmic [21:41] switchgirl: Actually, I think you can even do it an easier way... "sudo update-manager -d" in a terminal should present you with update manager and let you upgrade in a GUI [21:41] * fader_ is lazy and likes GUIs :) [21:42] i have a two part system (one half Lucid one half Karmic) [21:43] That's the smart way to do it. ;) [21:45] that was after i installed on a 10gb partition in a virtual box [21:47] It's helpful to have access to both, as you can check to see if a bug that you found exists in the previous version or if it is a regression. That's very valuable data to add to bugs. [21:54] i have access to all three Ubuntu's (the LTS and Karmic) now Lucid [21:54] also have 9 other machines in Virtual Box [21:56] Fabulous! [21:56] If anyone who is willing to help with QA is interested, we have weekly QA team meetings on the #ubuntu-meeting channel at 1700 UTC [21:56] (You can see the calendar of the various Ubuntu meetings here: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar ) [21:57] Please come join and pitch in :) [21:57] There was no meeting this week due to the developer summit, but we should be back on schedule next week [21:58] switchgirl: Having all those various machines would be a huge help if you can assist with upgrade testing toward the end of the cycle [21:59] Though you don't have to wait until the end to start testing and reporting bugs, of course [21:59] kk what needs to be done i wont wait [21:59] Mark said i'm ganna have a rough ride [21:59] meh... [22:00] Hehe [22:01] switchgirl: At the moment just play with lucid, keep it up to date and use it [22:01] In a week or two we'll have a better idea of what is being added and changed [22:01] cool [22:01] The QA meetings are a good venue to discuss what needs tested... the whole QA team and community attend these and often there are specific areas mentioned there [22:01] I'd like to see a different design fr the desktop [22:02] There are also scheduled 'bug days' for testing specific packages [22:02] switchgirl: A lot of design discussion is happening this week :) Feel free to jump in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L [22:02] also get rid of Wine replace it with a version of VirtualBox [22:03] * switchgirl plays spot the female [22:04] not many :s [22:04] * switchgirl hopes to change that [22:04] Unfortunately VirtualBox can't entirely replace wine, as it requires a licensed version of Windows to run Windows software, while Wine is Free [22:04] switchgirl: Indeed; we would love to have more women participating in Ubuntu [22:05] switchgirl: You might be interested in the work the Ubuntu Women group are doing: http://www.ubuntu-women.org/ [22:06] there is a bug with flashplayer - iplayer it replays at the end when its not supposed to [22:06] switchgirl: Please file a bug in launchpad if there is not one already :) [22:07] The best way to make sure things get fixed is to file bugs in Launchpad and provide as much detail as possible [22:07] The more information you can provide the easier time the developers have fixing it [22:07] (though Flash is an unfortunate case, as it is not Free software) [22:07] cool [22:08] whats the command that builds a whole picture of the system (listing the type of RAM etc?) [22:09] switchgirl: Hmm, not sure :( Usually if I am reporting a bug I try to provide the following information: [22:09] uname -a [22:09] sudo lspci -vnvn [22:09] and if it's system related, several log files: /var/log/syslog, /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/messages [22:11] yeah, i'll always provide a full thing with my bug reports [22:15] switchgirl: Excellent. It's appreciated :) [22:16] dont think people will complain [22:20] Indeed; it's hard (though not impossible) to provide too much information and very easy to provide too little. [22:35] fader_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/485061 that any use? [22:35] Launchpad bug 485061 in firefox-3.5 "Adobe Flash loops in BBC iplayer firefox" [Undecided,New] [22:36] switchgirl: Looks very good to me! (Though I'm not a firefox developer, so you might get asked for additional information at some point) [22:37] kk [22:39] switchgirl: It looks like you used ubuntu-bug for this, which is fantastic :) It automatically adds the relevant files and logs to the bug. [22:39] yeah i was trying to add the FULL system profile [22:40] k refresh yeah shall see :) [22:40] is Lucid a Daily? [22:41] switchgirl: There are daily builds of Lucid going on now; there is a new one every day [22:41] cool [22:42] Though if you run 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' every day you will have the same packages [22:42] soi guess boot up into Lucid and sudo update-manager -d [22:43] :s found a bug that the bug manager cant handle [22:44] ignore me [22:44] made an error with the prcess number in terminal [22:47] :) [22:47] apparently i was right... it wont compile bug reports for adobe air installer [23:00] Yeah, unfortunately there's very little we can do with closed-source applications :( [23:00] Other than whine at the makers of them to fix them [23:02] oh and gnome bar occasionally allows the desk bar (bit that allows programme title and movement) to hide under it - this could be bad for users - espessually newbies occers in 8.10 8.04 8.04 and 10.04 [23:04] *occers in ubuntu 8.10 8.04 9.10 9.04 [23:09] switchgirl: If you can reliably reproduce that (e.g. have a series of steps that someone else can follow to cause it to happen) that would be fantastic to add to a bug [23:10] i will but... where to add it [23:10] gnome-bar i suppose [23:12] Indeed; usually your best guess is the way to go. If it turns out to be in the wrong place, a bug triager or developer can move it [23:29] If anyone's interested, there's a session at UDS going on right now about how to help involve the community in testing. Audio is here: Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/stanford.ogg.m3u [23:29] And you can participate by joining #ubuntu-uds-stanford [23:55] hi again [23:55] about to make my first video