[00:05] <moustafaC> cr3: Hey dude!
[17:57] <LaserJock> anybody happen to have an opinion on which VM solution would be "fastest": qemu, VirtualBox, VMware Player
[19:58] <nagappan> hi ara
[19:58] <nagappan> ara, how things going in conf ?
[19:58] <ara> hey nagappan, doing good, a lot of sessions!
[20:02] <nagappan> ara, cool
[20:06] <ara> nagappan, how is ldtpv2 going? ;-)
[21:10] <switchgirl> hii
[21:10] <switchgirl> i'm on Lynx
[21:10] <switchgirl> how to test it?
[21:20] <switchgirl> anyone?
[21:26] <switchgirl> switch-testing-desktop:~$ cat /etc/issue
[21:26] <switchgirl> Ubuntu lucid (development branch) \n \l
[21:26] <switchgirl> anyone using it?
[21:26] <switchgirl> i am
[21:30] <fader_> switchgirl: Sorry for the delay -- a lot of the testers and developers are in sessions at UDS this week
[21:30] <fader_> switchgirl: At the moment, lucid is largely the same as karmic, so there's not a lot to test yet :)
[21:30] <fader_> switchgirl: But if you are adventurous, updating whenever you see updates available and just using the system is a great way to test.  And of course report bugs when you see them ;)
[21:31] <switchgirl> whats the programme that flashes notices up at me in the top right?
[21:31] <switchgirl> thats full of lines
[21:31] <fader_> switchgirl: There are also a lot of resources at http://qa.ubuntu.com/ for testing
[21:31] <fader_> Hmm, could be the notification applet or maybe network manager if you are on a wireless network
[21:32] <fader_> If you right-click on it and select 'About' that should tell you
[21:32] <switchgirl> cant as it greys out
[21:32] <switchgirl> in karmic its fine
[21:32] <switchgirl> but not in Lucid
[21:33] <bmwracer0> is there anything to test for lucid yet?
[21:33] <fader_> Hmm, is it a box that is opening some space below the panel that fades out when you move your mouse over it?
[21:33] <fader_> bmwracer0: UDS Lucid is going on right now, which is the planning sessions for Lucid, so there's not a lot to test yet
[21:34] <nagappan> ara, sorry was away
[21:34] <nagappan> ara, things are going good, started back on LDTPv2
[21:34] <nagappan> ara, now VMware WS 7.0 is released
[21:34] <nagappan> ara, have more free time
[21:34] <fader_> bmwracer0: you can find more information about it (including how to participate remotely) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L
[21:35] <bmwracer0> okay thanks
[21:37] <switchgirl> i gave Lucid a 30 gb space on my hdd after testing it in VirtualBox
[21:37] <fader_> bmwracer0: As I said to switchgirl, if you're feeling adventurous you can always update to lucid and track the updates and help us catch bugs
[21:37] <fader_> switchgirl: Excellent! :D  My guess is that bugs will start showing up in the next week or two as development really gets underway.  The earlier we can catch them the faster they'll be fixed.
[21:38] <fader_> So if you're willing to play with it in virtualbox and help report bugs, it would be greatly appreciated.
[21:38] <bmwracer0> ok great
[21:38]  * switchgirl grasps her bug swatter while fader_ godes her on "Lemme at em Lemme at em....."
[21:38] <bmwracer0> where is the information on that?
[21:38] <switchgirl> i hate bugs
[21:38] <switchgirl> :)
[21:38] <fader_> switchgirl: :)  We all do!
[21:39] <fader_> bmwracer0: Information on what?  Upgrading to Lucid?
[21:39] <bmwracer0> nevermind, i found it :)
[21:40] <fader_> Please be aware that as Lucid is under development, there *will* be major bugs that might prevent you from using your system or might cause you to lose data, so you might not want to run it on your main computer
[21:40] <fader_> A secondary system or a virtual machine is recommended, at least until we get somewhat farther in the development cycle.
[21:40] <switchgirl> its simple bmwracer0 edit sorces and change em to Lucid rather than karmic
[21:41] <fader_> switchgirl: Actually, I think you can even do it an easier way... "sudo update-manager -d" in a terminal should present you with update manager and let you upgrade in a GUI
[21:41]  * fader_ is lazy and likes GUIs :)
[21:42] <switchgirl> i have a two part system (one half Lucid one half Karmic)
[21:43] <fader_> That's the smart way to do it. ;)
[21:45] <switchgirl> that was after i installed on a 10gb partition in a virtual box
[21:47] <fader_> It's helpful to have access to both, as you can check to see if a bug that you found exists in the previous version or if it is a regression.  That's very valuable data to add to bugs.
[21:54] <switchgirl> i have access to all three Ubuntu's (the LTS and Karmic) now Lucid
[21:54] <switchgirl> also have 9 other machines in Virtual Box
[21:56] <fader_> Fabulous!
[21:56] <fader_> If anyone who is willing to help with QA is interested, we have weekly QA team meetings on the #ubuntu-meeting channel at 1700 UTC
[21:56] <fader_> (You can see the calendar of the various Ubuntu meetings here: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar )
[21:57] <fader_> Please come join and pitch in :)
[21:57] <fader_> There was no meeting this week due to the developer summit, but we should be back on schedule next week
[21:58] <fader_> switchgirl: Having all those various machines would be a huge help if you can assist with upgrade testing toward the end of the cycle
[21:59] <fader_> Though you don't have to wait until the end to start testing and reporting bugs, of course
[21:59] <switchgirl> kk what needs to be done i wont wait
[21:59] <switchgirl> Mark said i'm ganna have a rough ride
[21:59] <switchgirl> meh...
[22:00] <fader_> Hehe
[22:01] <fader_> switchgirl: At the moment just play with lucid, keep it up to date and use it
[22:01] <fader_> In a week or two we'll have a better idea of what is being added and changed
[22:01] <switchgirl> cool
[22:01] <fader_> The QA meetings are a good venue to discuss what needs tested... the whole QA team and community attend these and often there are specific areas mentioned there
[22:01] <switchgirl> I'd like to see a different design fr the desktop
[22:02] <fader_> There are also scheduled 'bug days' for testing specific packages
[22:02] <fader_> switchgirl: A lot of design discussion is happening this week :)  Feel free to jump in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L
[22:02] <switchgirl> also get rid of Wine replace it with a version of VirtualBox
[22:03]  * switchgirl plays spot the female
[22:04] <switchgirl> not many :s
[22:04]  * switchgirl hopes to change that 
[22:04] <fader_> Unfortunately VirtualBox can't entirely replace wine, as it requires a licensed version of Windows to run Windows software, while Wine is Free
[22:04] <fader_> switchgirl: Indeed; we would love to have more women participating in Ubuntu
[22:05] <fader_> switchgirl: You might be interested in the work the Ubuntu Women group are doing: http://www.ubuntu-women.org/
[22:06] <switchgirl> there is a bug with flashplayer - iplayer it replays at the end when its not supposed to
[22:06] <fader_> switchgirl: Please file a bug in launchpad if there is not one already :)
[22:07] <fader_> The best way to make sure things get fixed is to file bugs in Launchpad and provide as much detail as possible
[22:07] <fader_> The more information you can provide the easier time the developers have fixing it
[22:07] <fader_> (though Flash is an unfortunate case, as it is not Free software)
[22:07] <switchgirl> cool
[22:08] <switchgirl> whats the command that builds a whole picture of the system (listing the type of RAM etc?)
[22:09] <fader_> switchgirl: Hmm, not sure :(  Usually if I am reporting a bug I try to provide the following information:
[22:09] <fader_> uname -a
[22:09] <fader_> sudo lspci -vnvn
[22:09] <fader_> and if it's system related, several log files: /var/log/syslog, /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/messages
[22:11] <switchgirl> yeah, i'll always provide a full thing with my bug reports
[22:15] <fader_> switchgirl: Excellent.  It's appreciated :)
[22:16] <switchgirl> dont think people will complain
[22:20] <fader_> Indeed; it's hard (though not impossible) to provide too much information and very easy to provide too little.
[22:35] <switchgirl> fader_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/485061 that any use?
[22:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485061 in firefox-3.5 "Adobe Flash loops in BBC iplayer firefox" [Undecided,New]
[22:36] <fader_> switchgirl: Looks very good to me!  (Though I'm not a firefox developer, so you might get asked for additional information at some point)
[22:37] <switchgirl> kk
[22:39] <fader_> switchgirl: It looks like you used ubuntu-bug for this, which is fantastic :)  It automatically adds the relevant files and logs to the bug.
[22:39] <switchgirl> yeah i was trying to add the FULL system profile
[22:40] <switchgirl> k refresh yeah shall see :)
[22:40] <switchgirl> is Lucid a Daily?
[22:41] <fader_> switchgirl: There are daily builds of Lucid going on now; there is a new one every day
[22:41] <switchgirl> cool
[22:42] <fader_> Though if you run 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' every day you will have the same packages
[22:42] <switchgirl> soi guess boot up into Lucid and sudo update-manager -d
[22:43] <switchgirl> :s found a bug that the bug manager cant handle
[22:44] <switchgirl> ignore me
[22:44] <switchgirl> made an error with the prcess number in terminal
[22:47] <fader_> :)
[22:47] <switchgirl> apparently i was right... it wont compile bug reports for adobe air installer
[23:00] <fader_> Yeah, unfortunately there's very little we can do with closed-source applications :(
[23:00] <fader_> Other than whine at the makers of them to fix them
[23:02] <switchgirl> oh and gnome bar occasionally allows the desk bar (bit that allows programme title and movement) to hide under it - this could be bad for users - espessually newbies  occers in 8.10 8.04 8.04 and 10.04
[23:04] <switchgirl> *occers in ubuntu 8.10 8.04 9.10 9.04
[23:09] <fader_> switchgirl: If you can reliably reproduce that (e.g. have a series of steps that someone else can follow to cause it to happen) that would be fantastic to add to a bug
[23:10] <switchgirl> i will but... where to add it
[23:10] <switchgirl> gnome-bar i suppose
[23:12] <fader_> Indeed; usually your best guess is the way to go.  If it turns out to be in the wrong place, a bug triager or developer can move it
[23:29] <fader_> If anyone's interested, there's a session at UDS going on right now about how to help involve the community in testing.  Audio is here: Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/stanford.ogg.m3u
[23:29] <fader_> And you can participate by joining #ubuntu-uds-stanford
[23:55] <switchgirl> hi again
[23:55] <switchgirl> about to make my  first video