| cprofitt | hey pleia2 | 01:24 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all | 01:24 |
| cprofitt | hello sbalneav | 01:24 |
| ball | hello jsgotangco | 07:50 |
| khabi | hi | 12:47 |
| alkisg | Ηι | 12:47 |
| alkisg | Hi | 12:47 |
| khabi | I need advice on Edubuntu | 12:47 |
| khabi | Edubuntu or Xp pro with educational software for a primary school computer room | 12:49 |
| khabi | Not sure whether it will worth the learning curve for myself and the teacher | 12:49 |
| khabi | hi | 13:34 |
| khabi | hi is any1 here | 13:37 |
| khabi | hellooo | 13:39 |
| highvoltage | hi khabi | 13:42 |
| mhall119|work | hi khabi | 13:57 |
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| khabi | highvoltage | 14:26 |
| khabi | hi all | 14:26 |
| khabi | i need to set up a computer room and i looking at edubuntu | 14:28 |
| khabi | it is for a primary school. | 14:28 |
| mhall119|work | khabi: awesome | 14:36 |
| khabi | i need some advice | 14:39 |
| mhall119|work | ask away | 14:39 |
| khabi | why should go for edubuntu as apposed to a windows enviroment with educational software | 14:40 |
| mhall119|work | aside from price? | 14:41 |
| mhall119|work | you don't have to worry about licensing | 14:42 |
| mhall119|work | you don't have to worry about anti-virus software | 14:42 |
| mhall119|work | you don't have to worry about the kids breaking the system (don't give sudo access) | 14:43 |
| mhall119|work | you get free education games, and there are a _lot_ of them | 14:43 |
| mhall119|work | you get free upgrades, to the OS and the games, for life | 14:43 |
| mhall119|work | the upgrades aren't going to require throwing out your current computers and buying new ones | 14:43 |
| mhall119|work | now, from a more technical side: | 14:44 |
| mhall119|work | The kids learn a different platform, variety of experience is important to learning | 14:44 |
| mhall119|work | maybe not as important to primary school kids, but Linux knowledge was the #1 most desired technical skill in a recent study | 14:45 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:45 |
| mhall119|work | from an admin point of view: | 14:45 |
| mhall119|work | you have full control over the computers | 14:45 |
| mhall119|work | if you don't like an app, remove it | 14:46 |
| mhall119|work | you can customize the interface, Sabayon lets you create multiple configuration profiles | 14:46 |
| mhall119|work | if you use LTSP, you can roll out a lab based on thin clients for much cheaper | 14:47 |
| mhall119|work | have I missed anything? | 14:47 |
| mhall119|work | Oh yeah, it's free | 14:47 |
| khabi | thanks | 14:50 |
| khabi | i have looked at some of the benefits you mentioned. I am also looking | 14:51 |
| khabi | at suggesting curriculum based on the software i install | 14:52 |
| khabi | Being free is a benefit but it comes at a price | 14:55 |
| khabi | Do you know of any South African Schools using the software | 14:58 |
| sbalneav | Many are using Linux. I beleive the Shuttleworth Foundation has Linux desktops in many schoold | 15:02 |
| khabi | Are they really happy ? Getting support is a problem itself | 15:03 |
| khabi | mhall119 | 15:07 |
| khabi | Are you there ? | 15:07 |
| alkisg | Support is many, many times better in Linux than in Windows | 15:07 |
| alkisg | In Windows I never got a bug that I reported fixed | 15:07 |
| alkisg | In Linux, I got a lot of them fixed, by either me or others... | 15:08 |
| alkisg | The same goes for feature requests - never on Windows, many times on Linux. | 15:10 |
| alkisg | And my students are much happier with Linux than when we had Windows | 15:10 |
| khabi | so you have implemented at a school | 15:14 |
| alkisg | 3 schools so far (by myself), and lots of others that followed an installation manual I wrote, yes | 15:15 |
| khabi | you have an installation manual ? Where can I find it? | 15:15 |
| alkisg | Sorry, it's in Greek, and it's specific to how we want to setup things here in Greece (that's why I didn't write it in English at the first place...) | 15:16 |
| alkisg | But there are lot of instructions out there | 15:16 |
| khabi | Should I go for ubuntu and install all the educational packages or edubuntu | 15:16 |
| alkisg | Whatever you like | 15:17 |
| alkisg | No big difference there... | 15:17 |
| khabi | Are you a teacher or the administrator? | 15:18 |
| alkisg | In Greece most computer teachers are also the administrators | 15:19 |
| alkisg | The schools are small, so they don't have extra staff for administration | 15:19 |
| khabi | I understand. Its good that I am speaking to the teacher because you | 15:19 |
| khabi | have first hand experience interaction with kids | 15:20 |
| khabi | I wanted your point of view. What age students do you teach? | 15:21 |
| alkisg | In the last 2 years with Linux, I was at schools with 12-15 y.o. kids | 15:22 |
| alkisg | This year I'm at 15-18 y.o kids | 15:22 |
| khabi | Thats great ! Tell me I am I disturbing you by asking so many questions ? | 15:22 |
| alkisg | No no problem it just may take a little time to answer sometimes cause I'm also doing other stuff... | 15:23 |
| khabi | Thank You ! What software do you use with 12-15 yrs | 15:24 |
| alkisg | I've ported 15 Gb of windows-based Greek educational apps that the ministry had, and I made a repository of them: http://ts.sch.gr/repo/ | 15:26 |
| alkisg | So now all the schools can install them by just doing "sudo apt-get install gymnasio"... | 15:26 |
| alkisg | That repo had 1 Tb of traffic last month, so it goes pretty well. | 15:26 |
| alkisg | Other than that, we mostly use openoffice, firefox, kturtle etc, not a lot of kde-edu or other apps... | 15:28 |
| khabi | Interesting. Do the kids have internet access ? | 15:30 |
| khabi | Can I use software you have ported ? | 15:31 |
| alkisg | Yeah, the kids have internet access (we use squid for caching & access control), | 15:32 |
| mhall119|work | sorry khabi, had to step out for a minute | 15:32 |
| alkisg | and while you could use the software, it's in Greek.. :-/ | 15:32 |
| alkisg | It's software specifically written for Greek textbooks... | 15:33 |
| khabi | ok thanks. you know the saying, "thats greek to me" | 15:34 |
| khabi | :-) | 15:37 |
| mhall119|work | there are others that are multi-lingual | 15:37 |
| khabi | I had no luck in getting squid to work.The learning curve to get up running | 15:37 |
| mhall119|work | gCompris has the ability to create lesson plans I think | 15:37 |
| mhall119|work | khabi: there are simpler proxies you can use for content filterin | 15:38 |
| mhall119|work | squid is good if you have a centralized server though | 15:38 |
| alkisg | getting squid to work is pretty easy (for basic stuff) | 15:39 |
| alkisg | You can also add 2 lines and make it cache updates, | 15:39 |
| alkisg | and you can force all the clients to go through it through gconf mandatory settings | 15:39 |
| khabi | do you use webmin for the reporting | 15:40 |
| mhall119|work | or iptables | 15:40 |
| khabi | i would like to have a try at setting up squid again | 15:41 |
| khabi | Where in greece are you from ? | 15:42 |
| alkisg | Ioannina | 15:49 |
| khabi | How do you centrally manage all the user accounts | 15:53 |
| alkisg | In LTSP, it's all in 1 PC so it's easy | 15:56 |
| alkisg | In standalone Ubuntu installations, I don't. I tell each team of students to sit on the same PC each time | 15:56 |
| alkisg | So I have the same accounts per class (e.g. 12 PCs = 12 accounts "classA") | 15:56 |
| alkisg | and I only tell the students to change the "real name", so I can see them with iTalc, and on the top gnome panel | 15:57 |
| alkisg | This way I can continue to work even when the local network or server is down | 15:57 |
| alkisg | ...and the students do have their own stuff, files, wallpaper etc that noone else can see | 15:58 |
| jbicha | today was magical: I actually saw tiny drops of rain fall from the sky | 16:04 |
| khabi | alkisq you stay in such an interesting place | 16:09 |
| alkisg | khabi: where do you live? | 16:09 |
| khabi | South Africa, Durban | 16:10 |
| alkisg | heh, sounds exotic to me :) | 16:10 |
| khabi | You will surprized how exotic it is ! you will here alot about Durban next year | 16:12 |
| khabi | World cup is going to in South Africa | 16:12 |
| highvoltage | khabi: yes and in south africa we'll be tired of hearing about soccer | 16:17 |
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| khabi | highvoltage | 16:57 |
| khabi | where in sa are u from | 16:57 |
| highvoltage | khabi: cape town | 16:59 |
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| cprofitt | hey pleia2 | 17:20 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: hey | 17:20 |
| cprofitt | still at UDS? | 17:21 |
| alkisg | I'm making an ubuntu remix with live ltsp on it, what's the correct phrase? "Ubuntu Greek Education Remix" or "Ubuntu Greek Educational Remix"? | 20:12 |
| Lns | Has anyone run into mime type issues in 8.04 where a .desktop file (type=link, to open a website in a browser) gets opened in gedit and not firefox/epiphany/etc? | 21:03 |
| Lns | nm, found that it didn't work because i had hacked my firefox.desktop ;) | 21:20 |
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