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JontheEchidnaLex79: oh, I was waiting for akonadi to testbuild it. I'll finish it by tomorrow00:09
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Lex79JontheEchidna: ok, I'm looking kdebindings but seems really messed IoI, delta is very big, and debian testing has 4.2.2, unstable has 4.3.2, which version should I merge?  always testing or is it too old?Anyway I'm just trying, dunno if I can... :)00:21
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JontheEchidnaLex79: You should probably do unstable00:55
Lex79ok I'll try00:58
rgreeningwhere is everyone? :)01:36
jjessehding01:36
rgreeningha01:36
ScottKLex79: kdebindings has never had a successful merge.01:54
ScottKLex79: I talked to Riddell about it and he thinks Debian's package now supports all the same bindings ours does, so instead a pure merge we should prefer the Debian approach and only change stuff we really have to.01:55
JontheEchidnaMy thoughts regarding our kdebindings package in song form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4EqjvnWfRM01:57
JontheEchidnathe lyrics, when they arrive, are rather fitting01:59
Lex79ScottK: ok, It's better if I leave it to you then because you know what to do :)01:59
ScottKLex79: Even better we'll leave it to Riddell02:00
Lex79right02:00
Lex79JontheEchidna: kdebindings in song form lol02:00
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Riddellrgreening: got smb sharing done yet? :)04:25
ScottKJust a few bugs to fix yet04:28
rgreeninga few... hah! I wish04:31
rgreeningRiddell: I have a basic framework Im debugging... then it needs fleshing out...04:31
rgreeningRiddell: get your a$$ to the bar (shtylman__ says)04:32
rgreeningand its time to install cromium.. \04:33
Riddellbut I'm tired!04:33
rgreeningRiddell04:33
rgreeningRiddell:04:33
rgreeningRiddell:04:33
rgreeningno your not Riddell04:33
rgreening:)04:33
rgreeningI have a beer waitng for you04:34
Riddelloh well, why didn't you say so04:35
Tm_TRiddell: just noticed comments in your last blogpost, erp07:08
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faleSomeone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa09:03
apachelogger_Sime: can one use KNotificationItem in pykde4.3?11:00
danttiapachelogger_: hey :) is do-release-upgrade a *buntu application?11:34
apachelogger_dantti: aye11:40
danttiapachelogger_: aye means yes? :P11:41
apachelogger_dantti: aye :P11:41
danttik... :P11:42
danttiapachelogger_: so the DESKTOP env var will be set in new a kpk release so you can easly check..11:43
ryanakca.. errr... everything in X is fuzzy (hard to describe) this morning. I know it's not my monitor / video card because the problem doesn't exist in VT[1-7]... however, I haven't touched it since last night... any ideas where I should start looking?12:00
JontheEchidnaRiddell, Lex: kdepim-runtime merge in bzr13:49
amichairthere are some basic translations missing in some languages ("Close", "Reset", "Remove") - what to do about it?14:04
amichair(referring to software-properties, if it matters)14:07
faleSomeone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa14:08
apachelogger_dantti: cool, thx :)14:11
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ghostcubeisnt do -release-upgrade in debian too ?14:13
ghostcubeif not good tool :D14:13
apacheloggerghostcube: doesnt quite matter, it certainly is unique to close-relation-debian-distros :P14:33
ghostcubeapachelogger: ah ok :)14:52
* ryanakca grins after loosing his wisdom teeth :D15:17
ryanakcaApart from Ayatana this afternoon, are there any Kubuntu related sessions today?15:20
nixternalryanakca: seems one with Ayatana at the end of today15:25
rgreeningRiddell: ping15:57
Riddellhi rgreening16:07
rgreeningwhere you hiding16:08
rgreeningRiddell: ^16:09
rgreeningI neddz da help16:09
rgreening:)16:09
rgreeningoh Mr. KDE Compiliation God16:09
Riddellrgreening: 4th floor alamo 216:10
Riddellrgreening: I can come to you if you wish16:10
rgreeningnah... I'll pop over in about 5 min or so16:10
rgreeningis there a session in there now?16:11
Riddellyes but it's not terribly relevant16:11
rgreeninglol16:11
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rgreeningok, then if you want to ditch, I'm in the bar/lounge16:12
rgreeningRiddell: ^16:12
Riddellcoming16:13
rgreeningok.. I may be out front for a minute....16:14
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JontheEchidnargreening: btw, I uploaded kcm-touchpad last night. Just needs to go through the archive admin runaround now16:21
ryanakcaAny merges other than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/LucidKDEMerges that need doing?16:30
faleSomeone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa16:41
ryanakcaCan someone sponsor my meta-kde merge please, dget http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/m/meta-kde/meta-kde_55ubuntu1.dsc16:46
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ryanakcafale: What should I look for?16:58
faleryanakca: in the rekonq package?16:59
ryanakcafale: Yes, any particular spots I should test?17:01
faleryanakca: nothing particular, only if it could go into backports ;)17:01
mcashi17:06
faleryanakca: have you seen it?17:19
yuriy_fale: working nicely here. never tried rekonq before, but looks like it could easily become my web browser17:21
faleyuriy_: awesome :)17:21
yuriy_as soon as they fix QtWebKit not to use 106MB (top says 23 is shared) out of the box17:21
faleyuriy_: guess that will be in qt 4.617:22
yuriy_there is a sort of statusbar that appears in the bottom left when hovering over links but isn't there most of the time, looks kind of strange -- is that normal?17:23
faleyuriy_: say it's ''normal'' I guess is too much... but is in the official 0.3.0 too ;)17:25
yuriy_not having the statusbar all the time is kind of nice, but makes that look weird17:26
yuriy_maybe they'll come up with something17:26
faleyuriy_: I hope it too17:27
cragdorHi All,17:29
markeywith dpkg-buildpackage, how can you create an installable .deb package?17:29
markeyit created an executable for me17:29
markey(sorry for noob question:)17:30
cragdorTell me is there anyone taking the UbuntuOneMusic store forward from the kubuntu side. I have concerns that they are looking at building functionality directly into  Banshee or Rythmbox, and not looking into the bigger picture!17:30
falemarkey: if you use debuild without parameters it will creates a .deb fils17:31
fale*file17:31
markeynvm, just saw it in ../17:31
markey:)17:31
falemarkey: ;)17:31
falecragdor: I guess someone will bring it to amarok, at least17:31
markeysend patches :) or even better: a Merge Request17:33
markeywe amarok devs love Merge Requests17:33
cragdorWell i think theres a better method since i develop middle where solutions, this should have a client that manages the local copies of music, and media players hook into it. Cutting the dependancy on a specific media player17:33
\shmarkey, at least you love merge requests ;)17:38
markeyoh yes, I sometimes dream about them at night17:39
\shmarkey, "merging merging merging oh yeah give me the merge"? ;)17:40
\shhach...time to go home17:40
ryanakcaAlso, is it worth keeping a delta for a "debian-watch-file-is-missing" lintian override? Or should I have it synced? debdiff between Debian and us: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kcometen4_1.0.5-1_1.0.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff17:41
markeyno, more like: "Suck my Git, baby!"17:47
markeyman, something is really borked with udev or so. kubuntu randomly doesn't detect my hardware17:58
markeybe it USB, MTP...17:58
markeyabsolutely not cool17:58
markeylatest Karmic with all updates17:59
markeyno weird customizations, all nice and shiny17:59
markeyhave similar issues been reported before?17:59
ryanakcamarkey: I noticed that Kubuntu wasn't noticing USB thumbdrives / cds / etc when I plugged / put them in (in the recently plugged in devices plasmoid), but I think it was because either hal or dbus had died... Restarting them fixed it.18:15
markeyryanakca: what's the best way to restart them?18:15
ryanakcamarkey: sudo service hal restart && sudo service dbus restart18:16
markeythanks18:16
markeytrying now18:16
markeyhum, no dice18:21
markeythat didn't do anything18:21
markey(except restarting d-bus crashed konvi18:21
ryanakcamarkey: Hmm... I'd file a bug against konvi in that case... Not sure what the issue might be in that case...18:35
nixternalkarmic sucks!18:37
nixternalonly takes me 5 to 10 times to finally log in to encrypted drives18:38
nixternalerr, encrypted /home18:38
markeyryanakca: just talked to a konvi dev, it's probably because konvi listens to a screensaver thingie d-bus message18:39
markeyor because it's a KUniqueApplication18:39
markeyboth makes sense18:39
markeyanyway, this still doesn't fix my issues :)18:39
markeyI'm kinda getting fed up with it18:39
nixternalyou mean you just talked to Sho_ :)18:39
markeyyep :)18:39
tsimpsonI don't think dbus like being restarted anyway18:39
markeyprobably not, no18:40
nixternaldbus is a muck in karmic no matter which flavor you are using I see18:40
markeybecause of the whole session-ID stuff18:40
tsimpsonall the "services" that were registered have no way to re-register18:40
markeyanyway, restartin HAL also did nothign18:40
markeyso I'm still wondering18:40
markeythis whole mess started around the time the KDE 4.3.3. update came in18:41
markeybefore that, I never had issues with HAL18:41
nixternalya, but there is no telling what the whole switch to upstart may have mucked up18:41
Quintasanhttp://imagebin.ca/view/1XjGWSnv.html <-- new amarok rocks!18:44
ryanakcamarkey: Does rebooting fix it?18:45
markeydoes it now, or are you being ironic? I've seen both ;)18:46
markeyryanakca: yeah, but then, sometimes after reboot my keyboard doesn't work. plugging it out and in again usually fixes it (but not always)18:46
* ryanakca scratches his head. If that was meant for me, I don't know if it would fix it, but if it bothers you, might be worth trying out.18:46
ryanakcamarkey: Oh. Wierd18:47
markeyit was meant for Quintasan18:47
ryanakcaAh18:47
ryanakcamarkey: Keyboard doesn't work... does it work in VT[1-7] and not X, or does it not work in anything (as in, Alt-Sysrq-K won't restart X when you're at the KDM screen and your keyboard isn't working...)... I'd file a bug :)18:48
markeynope18:48
markeycan't even switch to VT then18:48
ryanakcaHmmm... wierd. And Alt-SysRq-K doesn't do anything either?18:49
markeyno, basically the keyboard is not there (not seen as a device)18:50
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ScottKAlt-SysRq-K is very hit or miss in my experiece (even if the keyboard works)18:55
ryanakcaScottK: Ah. Strange. Do you or any of the people at UDS have time to look at two merges (one of which I think can be a sync, the only interesting difference is a lintian override for a missing watch file) ?18:56
ScottKI'm not with the other Kubuntu people right now (in a session on server stuff)18:57
ryanakcaScottK: OK18:58
Riddellryanakca: poke me in half an hour (after lunch) if you want19:00
ryanakcaRiddell: OK, thanks19:00
Riddellryanakca: what needs done?19:40
Riddellryanakca: meta-kde uploaded19:46
ryanakcaRiddell: back, sorry.19:55
ryanakcaRiddell: Is it worth keeping a delta for a "debian-watch-file-is-missing" lintian override? Or should I have it synced? debdiff between Debian and us: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kcometen4_1.0.5-1_1.0.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff19:56
ryanakcaThanks for uploading meta-kde by the way :)19:56
JontheEchidnaRiddell: while you're at it, could you look at the kdepim-runtime merge in bzr?19:56
Riddellryanakca: I wouldn't bother19:57
ryanakcaRiddell: OK, I'll request a sync19:58
RiddellJontheEchidna: k19:58
JontheEchidnathx20:03
ryanakcaCould someone ack bug 485469 please20:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 485469 in kcometen4 "Sync kcometen4 1.0.5-1 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48546920:04
RiddellJontheEchidna: can you rack down the origin of the patch in pim-runtime and update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/LucidPatchReview ?20:07
Riddells/rack/track/20:07
Riddelluploaded20:08
JontheEchidnaOriginated to get it out of the Settings submenu so that there wouldn't be a Settings submenu for netbook20:11
JontheEchidnaI think apachelogger talked to upstream about moving it, but they were disinterested or something so we patched it20:12
* ulysses__ had just seen an episode from Doctor WHo20:18
faleJontheEchidna: I have a positive review... how many ele I have to look for?20:22
JontheEchidnadid they comment on the bug in karmic-backports?20:22
faleJontheEchidna: which bug?20:23
JontheEchidnapresumably you filed a bug against the karmic-backports project where people can give feedback on the packages20:24
faleehm20:25
faleok, I'm going to filed the bug20:25
faleyuriy_: can I ask you a favor?20:28
ryanakcafale: Just ask him :)20:32
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faleryanakca: that's a good point ;)20:33
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faleyuriy_: can you write, please, a couple of lines here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/karmic-backports/+bug/48547920:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 485479 in karmic-backports "Rekonq 0.3.0" [Undecided,New]20:33
debfxbbigras: I've fixed the file selection bug in firefox-kde, package is in the build queue20:55
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MamarokRiddell: hi, you got a minute?21:09
Mamarokor whoever has an idea why Chromium doesn't use Javascript and Flash anymore, both work fine in Firefox on the same installation21:11
Mamarokstrangely it works well for markey, but not for me, and I can't remember having changed any settings21:12
falethank you yuriy :)21:21
RiddellMamarok: I've never used chromium in my life.  shtylman__ is the chromium fanboy21:39
Mamarokok, thanks :)21:48
jussi01Mamarok: did you change your shortcut at all? it needs the flag to enable plugins, doesnt it?21:52
tsimpsonit needs a flag to _enable_ plugins o_021:53
ryanakcaI have a feeling I'll have to write a pam_time frontend for my mum (she used Vista's time control module of the parental controls quite a bit to control the amount of time my sister spent on the computer)... If I manage to write it, I wouldn't mind getting it into Kubuntu... should I write it stand alone, or should I figure out how to get it to plug into systemsettings?22:02
tsimpsonall systemsettings needs to know is how to change the config, so you shouldn't have to worry about that now22:04
tsimpsononce you have a settings file, then worry about it ;)22:05
ryanakcatsimpson: A settings file, as in, other than /etc/security/time.conf ?22:06
tsimpsonwhatever it uses22:07
* tsimpson steers clear of pam at all costs22:07
ryanakcatsimpson: It already exists on a standard install I believe. I don't remember installing any pam stuff anyways.22:07
Riddellryanakca: a kcontrol module would be better I'd say22:08
ryanakcaRiddell: I'm guessing that http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/kcm_howto.html is quite out of date (2004) ?22:10
ryanakca... it's for C++ anyways, not what I want.22:11
ryanakcaRiddell: Also, I'm guessing kcontrol modules plug into systemsettings? kcontrol doesn't appear to exist in Karmic, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=kcontrol&mode=&suite=karmic&arch=any22:13
Riddellryanakca: anything on developer.kde.org is out of date, techbase is the replacement22:14
Riddellthere's not much docs for pykde kcontrol modules, you just need to start with the template in kdebindings and use the API docs22:14
Riddellsystem settings replaced kcontrol22:15
ryanakcaRiddell: OK22:15
Riddellbut the modules are still called kcontrol modules22:15
falewhat the hell happened? they putted in backports an old and uncompilable version? :S22:17
faleRiddell: I think that is you22:18
faleRiddell: was karmic3 not karmic1 to be imported22:18
ryanakcaRiddell: Thanks22:18
Riddellfale: the backport is made from the latest version in lucid22:20
faleRiddell: yes, but it will never compile if you don't change what I did in karmic2 and karmic322:20
Riddellfale: what did you change?22:20
falethe rules file and the dependences22:21
Riddellfale: can these changes go into lucid?22:21
faleRiddell: why don't streight import my version?22:21
Riddellbecause backports are done from the development version22:21
faleRiddell: I think thay can, but this will mean not using debhelper 722:22
ryanakcaRiddell: Are there any existing python kcontrol module I can look at?22:23
Riddellryanakca: system-config-printer-kde22:24
ryanakcaRiddell: Thanks22:24
Riddellryanakca: also userconfig which runs as root22:24
Riddellryanakca: running stuff as root is an extra hassle for kcontrol modules22:24
Riddellryanakca: so it might be easier to just do it as a standalone app fir a first version22:25
Riddellfale: hmm right, it's the pesky --with kde stuff which isn't in karmic22:25
ryanakcaRiddell: OK22:25
faleRiddell: pesky?22:25
neversfeldeis there a freeze for merges? I am nearly finished with amarok, but I will be away for the next three weeks, so koffice still needs some time.22:26
Riddellfale: annoying.  because it means we can't just backport straight from lucid22:26
Riddellneversfelde: when is koffice 2.1 out?22:26
faleRiddell: is impossible to import from a ppa?22:26
neversfeldeRiddell: the schedule says 3 weeks after rc122:26
Riddellfale: I can do a manual upload and a manual approval, it's all possible but the assumption with backports is that it's done from the development version22:27
Riddellfale: so I'll do that22:27
faleRiddell: or, could I change the code into the bazar code?22:27
faleif yes, we can use the old system22:27
faleJontheEchidna told that was fine to use the old system in lucid22:27
Riddellfale: no let's keep lucid as it is, that's in line with debian22:28
neversfeldeRiddell: correction, tagging is tomorrow22:28
faleRiddell: ok ;)22:28
neversfeldeso I can do the packaging, before I have to leave22:28
neversfeldeprobably I can do the merge on my vacation, but I am not sure22:29
Riddellneversfelde: naw if it's out while you're away someone else can do it22:29
neversfeldeRiddell: I meant the packaging for karmic, I can do it tomorrow22:30
neversfeldewill upload it to ninja ppa22:30
neversfeldehave to leave on sundy, so that should be enough time, but I doubt that debian will have packages ready before22:31
neversfeldes/sundy/sunday22:32
neversfeldesimple lucid update should be no problem, too. The merge would have to wait until I am back, or someone else has to do it22:34
faleRiddell: do you plan to do it today?22:39
Riddellfale: uploaded, waiting for launchpad to do its thing so I can approve22:41
faleRiddell: I see ;)22:41
faleRiddell: to approve the backports you have to be motu?22:41
Riddellfale: backport requests are approved by the backports team22:43
Riddellmanual uploads are approved by an archive admin22:43
faleI see22:43
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: patch?22:46
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: move akonadiconsole out of the Settings subfolder22:46
JontheEchidnaor to the settings folder, something like that22:46
apacheloggerright22:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: for the time being upstream thinks it is sensible to have that beast installed, considering the unmature nature of akonadi at this point22:47
apacheloggerit was discussed on the debian list for reference22:48
JontheEchidnaanything we can do in the way of upstreaming?22:48
Riddellfale: approved, hopfully it'll compile soon, thanks for the backport, I know it's hassle but it'll be less hassle next time :)22:50
faleRiddell: cool :)22:51
faleRiddell: I think is normal that the first time is like that... I used ~1 month to understand a little bit more how to make packages ;)22:51
faleRiddell: news?23:07
Riddellfale: hmm?23:09
faleRiddell: about the packages ;)23:09
ryanakcaHehe, my dad likes Kubuntu so much that he's converted a coworker after two weeks of using it :)23:10
faleryanakca: that's cool :)23:11
dpmnixternal: hi, we've got a section on improving documentation translation at #ubuntu-uds-alamo1, if you've got some minutes23:15
macohey wanna do a kubuntu dinner tonight?23:20
macoim running to Best Buy with jussi01 to pick up a DVD but we'll be back by 7. wanna go somewhere after that?23:21
maco(and then watch the DVD, because a lot of us <3 Doctor Who and this will be Whovian)23:21
macoRiddell, rgreening, agateau, shtylman__, ScottK ^23:21
agateaumaco: count me in23:24
agateaumaco: Actually I could use a trip to Best Buy, if they sell cellphone batteries23:25
macoagateau: probably depends on the phone model, but worth a try23:25
macothey often have a verizon or at&t or whatever store inside23:26
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neversfeldeRiddell: is there an overview about all the new specs you wrote?23:32
rgreeningmaco: sounds interesting... Torchwood?23:37
macoaye23:37
rgreeningwiked23:37
macoChildren of Earth mini-series23:37
rgreeningthat was da bomb23:38
Riddellneversfelde: linked from my blog23:38
macoi was gonna bring dtchen's copy but forgot it. i figure i need a copy of my own anyway23:38
txwikingeragateau: Radio Shack is probably a good place23:38
rgreeningtru dat23:38
neversfeldeRiddell: thx23:40
neversfeldeService Temporarily Unavailable23:41
neversfeldehehe23:41
neversfeldeguess taht needs to wait till tomorrow23:42

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