[00:09] Lex79: oh, I was waiting for akonadi to testbuild it. I'll finish it by tomorrow === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [00:21] JontheEchidna: ok, I'm looking kdebindings but seems really messed IoI, delta is very big, and debian testing has 4.2.2, unstable has 4.3.2, which version should I merge? always testing or is it too old?Anyway I'm just trying, dunno if I can... :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [00:55] Lex79: You should probably do unstable [00:58] ok I'll try [01:36] where is everyone? :) [01:36] hding [01:36] ha [01:54] Lex79: kdebindings has never had a successful merge. [01:55] Lex79: I talked to Riddell about it and he thinks Debian's package now supports all the same bindings ours does, so instead a pure merge we should prefer the Debian approach and only change stuff we really have to. [01:57] My thoughts regarding our kdebindings package in song form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4EqjvnWfRM [01:59] the lyrics, when they arrive, are rather fitting [01:59] ScottK: ok, It's better if I leave it to you then because you know what to do :) [02:00] Lex79: Even better we'll leave it to Riddell [02:00] right [02:00] JontheEchidna: kdebindings in song form lol === m4v_ is now known as m4v [04:25] rgreening: got smb sharing done yet? :) [04:28] Just a few bugs to fix yet [04:31] a few... hah! I wish [04:31] Riddell: I have a basic framework Im debugging... then it needs fleshing out... [04:32] Riddell: get your a$$ to the bar (shtylman__ says) [04:33] and its time to install cromium.. \ [04:33] but I'm tired! [04:33] Riddell [04:33] Riddell: [04:33] Riddell: [04:33] no your not Riddell [04:33] :) [04:34] I have a beer waitng for you [04:35] oh well, why didn't you say so [07:08] Riddell: just noticed comments in your last blogpost, erp === hunger is now known as Guest11808 [09:03] Someone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa [11:00] Sime: can one use KNotificationItem in pykde4.3? [11:34] apachelogger_: hey :) is do-release-upgrade a *buntu application? [11:40] dantti: aye [11:41] apachelogger_: aye means yes? :P [11:41] dantti: aye :P [11:42] k... :P [11:43] apachelogger_: so the DESKTOP env var will be set in new a kpk release so you can easly check.. [12:00] .. errr... everything in X is fuzzy (hard to describe) this morning. I know it's not my monitor / video card because the problem doesn't exist in VT[1-7]... however, I haven't touched it since last night... any ideas where I should start looking? [13:49] Riddell, Lex: kdepim-runtime merge in bzr [14:04] there are some basic translations missing in some languages ("Close", "Reset", "Remove") - what to do about it? [14:07] (referring to software-properties, if it matters) [14:08] Someone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa [14:11] dantti: cool, thx :) === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [14:13] isnt do -release-upgrade in debian too ? [14:13] if not good tool :D [14:33] ghostcube: doesnt quite matter, it certainly is unique to close-relation-debian-distros :P [14:52] apachelogger: ah ok :) [15:17] * ryanakca grins after loosing his wisdom teeth :D [15:20] Apart from Ayatana this afternoon, are there any Kubuntu related sessions today? [15:25] ryanakca: seems one with Ayatana at the end of today [15:57] Riddell: ping [16:07] hi rgreening [16:08] where you hiding [16:09] Riddell: ^ [16:09] I neddz da help [16:09] :) [16:09] oh Mr. KDE Compiliation God [16:10] rgreening: 4th floor alamo 2 [16:10] rgreening: I can come to you if you wish [16:10] nah... I'll pop over in about 5 min or so [16:11] is there a session in there now? [16:11] yes but it's not terribly relevant [16:11] lol === alleehol is now known as allee [16:12] ok, then if you want to ditch, I'm in the bar/lounge [16:12] Riddell: ^ [16:13] coming [16:14] ok.. I may be out front for a minute.... === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [16:21] rgreening: btw, I uploaded kcm-touchpad last night. Just needs to go through the archive admin runaround now [16:30] Any merges other than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/LucidKDEMerges that need doing? [16:41] Someone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa [16:46] Can someone sponsor my meta-kde merge please, dget http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/m/meta-kde/meta-kde_55ubuntu1.dsc === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [16:58] fale: What should I look for? [16:59] ryanakca: in the rekonq package? [17:01] fale: Yes, any particular spots I should test? [17:01] ryanakca: nothing particular, only if it could go into backports ;) [17:06] hi [17:19] ryanakca: have you seen it? [17:21] fale: working nicely here. never tried rekonq before, but looks like it could easily become my web browser [17:21] yuriy_: awesome :) [17:21] as soon as they fix QtWebKit not to use 106MB (top says 23 is shared) out of the box [17:22] yuriy_: guess that will be in qt 4.6 [17:23] there is a sort of statusbar that appears in the bottom left when hovering over links but isn't there most of the time, looks kind of strange -- is that normal? [17:25] yuriy_: say it's ''normal'' I guess is too much... but is in the official 0.3.0 too ;) [17:26] not having the statusbar all the time is kind of nice, but makes that look weird [17:26] maybe they'll come up with something [17:27] yuriy_: I hope it too [17:29] Hi All, [17:29] with dpkg-buildpackage, how can you create an installable .deb package? [17:29] it created an executable for me [17:30] (sorry for noob question:) [17:30] Tell me is there anyone taking the UbuntuOneMusic store forward from the kubuntu side. I have concerns that they are looking at building functionality directly into Banshee or Rythmbox, and not looking into the bigger picture! [17:31] markey: if you use debuild without parameters it will creates a .deb fils [17:31] *file [17:31] nvm, just saw it in ../ [17:31] :) [17:31] markey: ;) [17:31] cragdor: I guess someone will bring it to amarok, at least [17:33] send patches :) or even better: a Merge Request [17:33] we amarok devs love Merge Requests [17:33] Well i think theres a better method since i develop middle where solutions, this should have a client that manages the local copies of music, and media players hook into it. Cutting the dependancy on a specific media player [17:38] <\sh> markey, at least you love merge requests ;) [17:39] oh yes, I sometimes dream about them at night [17:40] <\sh> markey, "merging merging merging oh yeah give me the merge"? ;) [17:40] <\sh> hach...time to go home [17:41] Also, is it worth keeping a delta for a "debian-watch-file-is-missing" lintian override? Or should I have it synced? debdiff between Debian and us: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kcometen4_1.0.5-1_1.0.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff [17:47] no, more like: "Suck my Git, baby!" [17:58] man, something is really borked with udev or so. kubuntu randomly doesn't detect my hardware [17:58] be it USB, MTP... [17:58] absolutely not cool [17:59] latest Karmic with all updates [17:59] no weird customizations, all nice and shiny [17:59] have similar issues been reported before? [18:15] markey: I noticed that Kubuntu wasn't noticing USB thumbdrives / cds / etc when I plugged / put them in (in the recently plugged in devices plasmoid), but I think it was because either hal or dbus had died... Restarting them fixed it. [18:15] ryanakca: what's the best way to restart them? [18:16] markey: sudo service hal restart && sudo service dbus restart [18:16] thanks [18:16] trying now [18:21] hum, no dice [18:21] that didn't do anything [18:21] (except restarting d-bus crashed konvi [18:35] markey: Hmm... I'd file a bug against konvi in that case... Not sure what the issue might be in that case... [18:37] karmic sucks! [18:38] only takes me 5 to 10 times to finally log in to encrypted drives [18:38] err, encrypted /home [18:39] ryanakca: just talked to a konvi dev, it's probably because konvi listens to a screensaver thingie d-bus message [18:39] or because it's a KUniqueApplication [18:39] both makes sense [18:39] anyway, this still doesn't fix my issues :) [18:39] I'm kinda getting fed up with it [18:39] you mean you just talked to Sho_ :) [18:39] yep :) [18:39] I don't think dbus like being restarted anyway [18:40] probably not, no [18:40] dbus is a muck in karmic no matter which flavor you are using I see [18:40] because of the whole session-ID stuff [18:40] all the "services" that were registered have no way to re-register [18:40] anyway, restartin HAL also did nothign [18:40] so I'm still wondering [18:41] this whole mess started around the time the KDE 4.3.3. update came in [18:41] before that, I never had issues with HAL [18:41] ya, but there is no telling what the whole switch to upstart may have mucked up [18:44] http://imagebin.ca/view/1XjGWSnv.html <-- new amarok rocks! [18:45] markey: Does rebooting fix it? [18:46] does it now, or are you being ironic? I've seen both ;) [18:46] ryanakca: yeah, but then, sometimes after reboot my keyboard doesn't work. plugging it out and in again usually fixes it (but not always) [18:46] * ryanakca scratches his head. If that was meant for me, I don't know if it would fix it, but if it bothers you, might be worth trying out. [18:47] markey: Oh. Wierd [18:47] it was meant for Quintasan [18:47] Ah [18:48] markey: Keyboard doesn't work... does it work in VT[1-7] and not X, or does it not work in anything (as in, Alt-Sysrq-K won't restart X when you're at the KDM screen and your keyboard isn't working...)... I'd file a bug :) [18:48] nope [18:48] can't even switch to VT then [18:49] Hmmm... wierd. And Alt-SysRq-K doesn't do anything either? [18:50] no, basically the keyboard is not there (not seen as a device) === fenris__ is now known as ejat [18:55] Alt-SysRq-K is very hit or miss in my experiece (even if the keyboard works) [18:56] ScottK: Ah. Strange. Do you or any of the people at UDS have time to look at two merges (one of which I think can be a sync, the only interesting difference is a lintian override for a missing watch file) ? [18:57] I'm not with the other Kubuntu people right now (in a session on server stuff) [18:58] ScottK: OK [19:00] ryanakca: poke me in half an hour (after lunch) if you want [19:00] Riddell: OK, thanks [19:40] ryanakca: what needs done? [19:46] ryanakca: meta-kde uploaded [19:55] Riddell: back, sorry. [19:56] Riddell: Is it worth keeping a delta for a "debian-watch-file-is-missing" lintian override? Or should I have it synced? debdiff between Debian and us: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kcometen4_1.0.5-1_1.0.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff [19:56] Thanks for uploading meta-kde by the way :) [19:56] Riddell: while you're at it, could you look at the kdepim-runtime merge in bzr? [19:57] ryanakca: I wouldn't bother [19:58] Riddell: OK, I'll request a sync [19:58] JontheEchidna: k [20:03] thx [20:04] Could someone ack bug 485469 please [20:04] Launchpad bug 485469 in kcometen4 "Sync kcometen4 1.0.5-1 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485469 [20:07] JontheEchidna: can you rack down the origin of the patch in pim-runtime and update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/LucidPatchReview ? [20:07] s/rack/track/ [20:08] uploaded [20:11] Originated to get it out of the Settings submenu so that there wouldn't be a Settings submenu for netbook [20:12] I think apachelogger talked to upstream about moving it, but they were disinterested or something so we patched it [20:18] * ulysses__ had just seen an episode from Doctor WHo [20:22] JontheEchidna: I have a positive review... how many ele I have to look for? [20:22] did they comment on the bug in karmic-backports? [20:23] JontheEchidna: which bug? [20:24] presumably you filed a bug against the karmic-backports project where people can give feedback on the packages [20:25] ehm [20:25] ok, I'm going to filed the bug [20:28] yuriy_: can I ask you a favor? [20:32] fale: Just ask him :) === jjesse_ is now known as ghost [20:33] ryanakca: that's a good point ;) === ghost is now known as Guest92853 [20:33] yuriy_: can you write, please, a couple of lines here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/karmic-backports/+bug/485479 [20:33] Launchpad bug 485479 in karmic-backports "Rekonq 0.3.0" [Undecided,New] [20:55] bbigras: I've fixed the file selection bug in firefox-kde, package is in the build queue === Guest92853 is now known as jjesse [21:09] Riddell: hi, you got a minute? [21:11] or whoever has an idea why Chromium doesn't use Javascript and Flash anymore, both work fine in Firefox on the same installation [21:12] strangely it works well for markey, but not for me, and I can't remember having changed any settings [21:21] thank you yuriy :) [21:39] Mamarok: I've never used chromium in my life. shtylman__ is the chromium fanboy [21:48] ok, thanks :) [21:52] Mamarok: did you change your shortcut at all? it needs the flag to enable plugins, doesnt it? [21:53] it needs a flag to _enable_ plugins o_0 [22:02] I have a feeling I'll have to write a pam_time frontend for my mum (she used Vista's time control module of the parental controls quite a bit to control the amount of time my sister spent on the computer)... If I manage to write it, I wouldn't mind getting it into Kubuntu... should I write it stand alone, or should I figure out how to get it to plug into systemsettings? [22:04] all systemsettings needs to know is how to change the config, so you shouldn't have to worry about that now [22:05] once you have a settings file, then worry about it ;) [22:06] tsimpson: A settings file, as in, other than /etc/security/time.conf ? [22:07] whatever it uses [22:07] * tsimpson steers clear of pam at all costs [22:07] tsimpson: It already exists on a standard install I believe. I don't remember installing any pam stuff anyways. [22:08] ryanakca: a kcontrol module would be better I'd say [22:10] Riddell: I'm guessing that http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/kcm_howto.html is quite out of date (2004) ? [22:11] ... it's for C++ anyways, not what I want. [22:13] Riddell: Also, I'm guessing kcontrol modules plug into systemsettings? kcontrol doesn't appear to exist in Karmic, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=kcontrol&mode=&suite=karmic&arch=any [22:14] ryanakca: anything on developer.kde.org is out of date, techbase is the replacement [22:14] there's not much docs for pykde kcontrol modules, you just need to start with the template in kdebindings and use the API docs [22:15] system settings replaced kcontrol [22:15] Riddell: OK [22:15] but the modules are still called kcontrol modules [22:17] what the hell happened? they putted in backports an old and uncompilable version? :S [22:18] Riddell: I think that is you [22:18] Riddell: was karmic3 not karmic1 to be imported [22:18] Riddell: Thanks [22:20] fale: the backport is made from the latest version in lucid [22:20] Riddell: yes, but it will never compile if you don't change what I did in karmic2 and karmic3 [22:20] fale: what did you change? [22:21] the rules file and the dependences [22:21] fale: can these changes go into lucid? [22:21] Riddell: why don't streight import my version? [22:21] because backports are done from the development version [22:22] Riddell: I think thay can, but this will mean not using debhelper 7 [22:23] Riddell: Are there any existing python kcontrol module I can look at? [22:24] ryanakca: system-config-printer-kde [22:24] Riddell: Thanks [22:24] ryanakca: also userconfig which runs as root [22:24] ryanakca: running stuff as root is an extra hassle for kcontrol modules [22:25] ryanakca: so it might be easier to just do it as a standalone app fir a first version [22:25] fale: hmm right, it's the pesky --with kde stuff which isn't in karmic [22:25] Riddell: OK [22:25] Riddell: pesky? [22:26] is there a freeze for merges? I am nearly finished with amarok, but I will be away for the next three weeks, so koffice still needs some time. [22:26] fale: annoying. because it means we can't just backport straight from lucid [22:26] neversfelde: when is koffice 2.1 out? [22:26] Riddell: is impossible to import from a ppa? [22:26] Riddell: the schedule says 3 weeks after rc1 [22:27] fale: I can do a manual upload and a manual approval, it's all possible but the assumption with backports is that it's done from the development version [22:27] fale: so I'll do that [22:27] Riddell: or, could I change the code into the bazar code? [22:27] if yes, we can use the old system [22:27] JontheEchidna told that was fine to use the old system in lucid [22:28] fale: no let's keep lucid as it is, that's in line with debian [22:28] Riddell: correction, tagging is tomorrow [22:28] Riddell: ok ;) [22:28] so I can do the packaging, before I have to leave [22:29] probably I can do the merge on my vacation, but I am not sure [22:29] neversfelde: naw if it's out while you're away someone else can do it [22:30] Riddell: I meant the packaging for karmic, I can do it tomorrow [22:30] will upload it to ninja ppa [22:31] have to leave on sundy, so that should be enough time, but I doubt that debian will have packages ready before [22:32] s/sundy/sunday [22:34] simple lucid update should be no problem, too. The merge would have to wait until I am back, or someone else has to do it [22:39] Riddell: do you plan to do it today? [22:41] fale: uploaded, waiting for launchpad to do its thing so I can approve [22:41] Riddell: I see ;) [22:41] Riddell: to approve the backports you have to be motu? [22:43] fale: backport requests are approved by the backports team [22:43] manual uploads are approved by an archive admin [22:43] I see [22:46] JontheEchidna: patch? [22:46] apachelogger: move akonadiconsole out of the Settings subfolder [22:46] or to the settings folder, something like that [22:47] right [22:47] JontheEchidna: for the time being upstream thinks it is sensible to have that beast installed, considering the unmature nature of akonadi at this point [22:48] it was discussed on the debian list for reference [22:48] anything we can do in the way of upstreaming? [22:50] fale: approved, hopfully it'll compile soon, thanks for the backport, I know it's hassle but it'll be less hassle next time :) [22:51] Riddell: cool :) [22:51] Riddell: I think is normal that the first time is like that... I used ~1 month to understand a little bit more how to make packages ;) [23:07] Riddell: news? [23:09] fale: hmm? [23:09] Riddell: about the packages ;) [23:10] Hehe, my dad likes Kubuntu so much that he's converted a coworker after two weeks of using it :) [23:11] ryanakca: that's cool :) [23:15] nixternal: hi, we've got a section on improving documentation translation at #ubuntu-uds-alamo1, if you've got some minutes [23:20] hey wanna do a kubuntu dinner tonight? [23:21] im running to Best Buy with jussi01 to pick up a DVD but we'll be back by 7. wanna go somewhere after that? [23:21] (and then watch the DVD, because a lot of us <3 Doctor Who and this will be Whovian) [23:21] Riddell, rgreening, agateau, shtylman__, ScottK ^ [23:24] maco: count me in [23:25] maco: Actually I could use a trip to Best Buy, if they sell cellphone batteries [23:25] agateau: probably depends on the phone model, but worth a try [23:26] they often have a verizon or at&t or whatever store inside === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:32] Riddell: is there an overview about all the new specs you wrote? [23:37] maco: sounds interesting... Torchwood? [23:37] aye [23:37] wiked [23:37] Children of Earth mini-series [23:38] that was da bomb [23:38] neversfelde: linked from my blog [23:38] i was gonna bring dtchen's copy but forgot it. i figure i need a copy of my own anyway [23:38] agateau: Radio Shack is probably a good place [23:38] tru dat [23:40] Riddell: thx [23:41] Service Temporarily Unavailable [23:41] hehe [23:42] guess taht needs to wait till tomorrow