[00:09] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: oh, I was waiting for akonadi to testbuild it. I'll finish it by tomorrow
[00:21] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: ok, I'm looking kdebindings but seems really messed IoI, delta is very big, and debian testing has 4.2.2, unstable has 4.3.2, which version should I merge?  always testing or is it too old?Anyway I'm just trying, dunno if I can... :)
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: You should probably do unstable
[00:58] <Lex79> ok I'll try
[01:36] <rgreening> where is everyone? :)
[01:36] <jjesse> hding
[01:36] <rgreening> ha
[01:54] <ScottK> Lex79: kdebindings has never had a successful merge.
[01:55] <ScottK> Lex79: I talked to Riddell about it and he thinks Debian's package now supports all the same bindings ours does, so instead a pure merge we should prefer the Debian approach and only change stuff we really have to.
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> My thoughts regarding our kdebindings package in song form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4EqjvnWfRM
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> the lyrics, when they arrive, are rather fitting
[01:59] <Lex79> ScottK: ok, It's better if I leave it to you then because you know what to do :)
[02:00] <ScottK> Lex79: Even better we'll leave it to Riddell
[02:00] <Lex79> right
[02:00] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: kdebindings in song form lol
[04:25] <Riddell> rgreening: got smb sharing done yet? :)
[04:28] <ScottK> Just a few bugs to fix yet
[04:31] <rgreening> a few... hah! I wish
[04:31] <rgreening> Riddell: I have a basic framework Im debugging... then it needs fleshing out...
[04:32] <rgreening> Riddell: get your a$$ to the bar (shtylman__ says)
[04:33] <rgreening> and its time to install cromium.. \
[04:33] <Riddell> but I'm tired!
[04:33] <rgreening> Riddell
[04:33] <rgreening> Riddell:
[04:33] <rgreening> Riddell:
[04:33] <rgreening> no your not Riddell
[04:33] <rgreening> :)
[04:34] <rgreening> I have a beer waitng for you
[04:35] <Riddell> oh well, why didn't you say so
[07:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: just noticed comments in your last blogpost, erp
[09:03] <fale> Someone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa
[11:00] <apachelogger_> Sime: can one use KNotificationItem in pykde4.3?
[11:34] <dantti> apachelogger_: hey :) is do-release-upgrade a *buntu application?
[11:40] <apachelogger_> dantti: aye
[11:41] <dantti> apachelogger_: aye means yes? :P
[11:41] <apachelogger_> dantti: aye :P
[11:42] <dantti> k... :P
[11:43] <dantti> apachelogger_: so the DESKTOP env var will be set in new a kpk release so you can easly check..
[12:00] <ryanakca> .. errr... everything in X is fuzzy (hard to describe) this morning. I know it's not my monitor / video card because the problem doesn't exist in VT[1-7]... however, I haven't touched it since last night... any ideas where I should start looking?
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, Lex: kdepim-runtime merge in bzr
[14:04] <amichair> there are some basic translations missing in some languages ("Close", "Reset", "Remove") - what to do about it?
[14:07] <amichair> (referring to software-properties, if it matters)
[14:08] <fale> Someone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa
[14:11] <apachelogger_> dantti: cool, thx :)
[14:13] <ghostcube> isnt do -release-upgrade in debian too ?
[14:13] <ghostcube> if not good tool :D
[14:33] <apachelogger> ghostcube: doesnt quite matter, it certainly is unique to close-relation-debian-distros :P
[14:52] <ghostcube> apachelogger: ah ok :)
[15:17]  * ryanakca grins after loosing his wisdom teeth :D
[15:20] <ryanakca> Apart from Ayatana this afternoon, are there any Kubuntu related sessions today?
[15:25] <nixternal> ryanakca: seems one with Ayatana at the end of today
[15:57] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[16:07] <Riddell> hi rgreening
[16:08] <rgreening> where you hiding
[16:09] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[16:09] <rgreening> I neddz da help
[16:09] <rgreening> :)
[16:09] <rgreening> oh Mr. KDE Compiliation God
[16:10] <Riddell> rgreening: 4th floor alamo 2
[16:10] <Riddell> rgreening: I can come to you if you wish
[16:10] <rgreening> nah... I'll pop over in about 5 min or so
[16:11] <rgreening> is there a session in there now?
[16:11] <Riddell> yes but it's not terribly relevant
[16:11] <rgreening> lol
[16:12] <rgreening> ok, then if you want to ditch, I'm in the bar/lounge
[16:12] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[16:13] <Riddell> coming
[16:14] <rgreening> ok.. I may be out front for a minute....
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: btw, I uploaded kcm-touchpad last night. Just needs to go through the archive admin runaround now
[16:30] <ryanakca> Any merges other than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/LucidKDEMerges that need doing?
[16:41] <fale> Someone is willing to test rekonq 0.3.0 on karmic? You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~f4l3/+archive/ppa
[16:46] <ryanakca> Can someone sponsor my meta-kde merge please, dget http://packages.ryanak.ca/ubuntu/pool/main/m/meta-kde/meta-kde_55ubuntu1.dsc
[16:58] <ryanakca> fale: What should I look for?
[16:59] <fale> ryanakca: in the rekonq package?
[17:01] <ryanakca> fale: Yes, any particular spots I should test?
[17:01] <fale> ryanakca: nothing particular, only if it could go into backports ;)
[17:06] <mcas> hi
[17:19] <fale> ryanakca: have you seen it?
[17:21] <yuriy_> fale: working nicely here. never tried rekonq before, but looks like it could easily become my web browser
[17:21] <fale> yuriy_: awesome :)
[17:21] <yuriy_> as soon as they fix QtWebKit not to use 106MB (top says 23 is shared) out of the box
[17:22] <fale> yuriy_: guess that will be in qt 4.6
[17:23] <yuriy_> there is a sort of statusbar that appears in the bottom left when hovering over links but isn't there most of the time, looks kind of strange -- is that normal?
[17:25] <fale> yuriy_: say it's ''normal'' I guess is too much... but is in the official 0.3.0 too ;)
[17:26] <yuriy_> not having the statusbar all the time is kind of nice, but makes that look weird
[17:26] <yuriy_> maybe they'll come up with something
[17:27] <fale> yuriy_: I hope it too
[17:29] <cragdor> Hi All,
[17:29] <markey> with dpkg-buildpackage, how can you create an installable .deb package?
[17:29] <markey> it created an executable for me
[17:30] <markey> (sorry for noob question:)
[17:30] <cragdor> Tell me is there anyone taking the UbuntuOneMusic store forward from the kubuntu side. I have concerns that they are looking at building functionality directly into  Banshee or Rythmbox, and not looking into the bigger picture!
[17:31] <fale> markey: if you use debuild without parameters it will creates a .deb fils
[17:31] <fale> *file
[17:31] <markey> nvm, just saw it in ../
[17:31] <markey> :)
[17:31] <fale> markey: ;)
[17:31] <fale> cragdor: I guess someone will bring it to amarok, at least
[17:33] <markey> send patches :) or even better: a Merge Request
[17:33] <markey> we amarok devs love Merge Requests
[17:33] <cragdor> Well i think theres a better method since i develop middle where solutions, this should have a client that manages the local copies of music, and media players hook into it. Cutting the dependancy on a specific media player
[17:38] <\sh> markey, at least you love merge requests ;)
[17:39] <markey> oh yes, I sometimes dream about them at night
[17:40] <\sh> markey, "merging merging merging oh yeah give me the merge"? ;)
[17:40] <\sh> hach...time to go home
[17:41] <ryanakca> Also, is it worth keeping a delta for a "debian-watch-file-is-missing" lintian override? Or should I have it synced? debdiff between Debian and us: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kcometen4_1.0.5-1_1.0.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[17:47] <markey> no, more like: "Suck my Git, baby!"
[17:58] <markey> man, something is really borked with udev or so. kubuntu randomly doesn't detect my hardware
[17:58] <markey> be it USB, MTP...
[17:58] <markey> absolutely not cool
[17:59] <markey> latest Karmic with all updates
[17:59] <markey> no weird customizations, all nice and shiny
[17:59] <markey> have similar issues been reported before?
[18:15] <ryanakca> markey: I noticed that Kubuntu wasn't noticing USB thumbdrives / cds / etc when I plugged / put them in (in the recently plugged in devices plasmoid), but I think it was because either hal or dbus had died... Restarting them fixed it.
[18:15] <markey> ryanakca: what's the best way to restart them?
[18:16] <ryanakca> markey: sudo service hal restart && sudo service dbus restart
[18:16] <markey> thanks
[18:16] <markey> trying now
[18:21] <markey> hum, no dice
[18:21] <markey> that didn't do anything
[18:21] <markey> (except restarting d-bus crashed konvi
[18:35] <ryanakca> markey: Hmm... I'd file a bug against konvi in that case... Not sure what the issue might be in that case...
[18:37] <nixternal> karmic sucks!
[18:38] <nixternal> only takes me 5 to 10 times to finally log in to encrypted drives
[18:38] <nixternal> err, encrypted /home
[18:39] <markey> ryanakca: just talked to a konvi dev, it's probably because konvi listens to a screensaver thingie d-bus message
[18:39] <markey> or because it's a KUniqueApplication
[18:39] <markey> both makes sense
[18:39] <markey> anyway, this still doesn't fix my issues :)
[18:39] <markey> I'm kinda getting fed up with it
[18:39] <nixternal> you mean you just talked to Sho_ :)
[18:39] <markey> yep :)
[18:39] <tsimpson> I don't think dbus like being restarted anyway
[18:40] <markey> probably not, no
[18:40] <nixternal> dbus is a muck in karmic no matter which flavor you are using I see
[18:40] <markey> because of the whole session-ID stuff
[18:40] <tsimpson> all the "services" that were registered have no way to re-register
[18:40] <markey> anyway, restartin HAL also did nothign
[18:40] <markey> so I'm still wondering
[18:41] <markey> this whole mess started around the time the KDE 4.3.3. update came in
[18:41] <markey> before that, I never had issues with HAL
[18:41] <nixternal> ya, but there is no telling what the whole switch to upstart may have mucked up
[18:44] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/1XjGWSnv.html <-- new amarok rocks!
[18:45] <ryanakca> markey: Does rebooting fix it?
[18:46] <markey> does it now, or are you being ironic? I've seen both ;)
[18:46] <markey> ryanakca: yeah, but then, sometimes after reboot my keyboard doesn't work. plugging it out and in again usually fixes it (but not always)
[18:46]  * ryanakca scratches his head. If that was meant for me, I don't know if it would fix it, but if it bothers you, might be worth trying out.
[18:47] <ryanakca> markey: Oh. Wierd
[18:47] <markey> it was meant for Quintasan
[18:47] <ryanakca> Ah
[18:48] <ryanakca> markey: Keyboard doesn't work... does it work in VT[1-7] and not X, or does it not work in anything (as in, Alt-Sysrq-K won't restart X when you're at the KDM screen and your keyboard isn't working...)... I'd file a bug :)
[18:48] <markey> nope
[18:48] <markey> can't even switch to VT then
[18:49] <ryanakca> Hmmm... wierd. And Alt-SysRq-K doesn't do anything either?
[18:50] <markey> no, basically the keyboard is not there (not seen as a device)
[18:55] <ScottK> Alt-SysRq-K is very hit or miss in my experiece (even if the keyboard works)
[18:56] <ryanakca> ScottK: Ah. Strange. Do you or any of the people at UDS have time to look at two merges (one of which I think can be a sync, the only interesting difference is a lintian override for a missing watch file) ?
[18:57] <ScottK> I'm not with the other Kubuntu people right now (in a session on server stuff)
[18:58] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK
[19:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: poke me in half an hour (after lunch) if you want
[19:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK, thanks
[19:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: what needs done?
[19:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: meta-kde uploaded
[19:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: back, sorry.
[19:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: Is it worth keeping a delta for a "debian-watch-file-is-missing" lintian override? Or should I have it synced? debdiff between Debian and us: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/kcometen4_1.0.5-1_1.0.5-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[19:56] <ryanakca> Thanks for uploading meta-kde by the way :)
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: while you're at it, could you look at the kdepim-runtime merge in bzr?
[19:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: I wouldn't bother
[19:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK, I'll request a sync
[19:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: k
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> thx
[20:04] <ryanakca> Could someone ack bug 485469 please
[20:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: can you rack down the origin of the patch in pim-runtime and update https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/LucidPatchReview ?
[20:07] <Riddell> s/rack/track/
[20:08] <Riddell> uploaded
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> Originated to get it out of the Settings submenu so that there wouldn't be a Settings submenu for netbook
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> I think apachelogger talked to upstream about moving it, but they were disinterested or something so we patched it
[20:18]  * ulysses__ had just seen an episode from Doctor WHo
[20:22] <fale> JontheEchidna: I have a positive review... how many ele I have to look for?
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> did they comment on the bug in karmic-backports?
[20:23] <fale> JontheEchidna: which bug?
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> presumably you filed a bug against the karmic-backports project where people can give feedback on the packages
[20:25] <fale> ehm
[20:25] <fale> ok, I'm going to filed the bug
[20:28] <fale> yuriy_: can I ask you a favor?
[20:32] <ryanakca> fale: Just ask him :)
[20:33] <fale> ryanakca: that's a good point ;)
[20:33] <fale> yuriy_: can you write, please, a couple of lines here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/karmic-backports/+bug/485479
[20:55] <debfx> bbigras: I've fixed the file selection bug in firefox-kde, package is in the build queue
[21:09] <Mamarok> Riddell: hi, you got a minute?
[21:11] <Mamarok> or whoever has an idea why Chromium doesn't use Javascript and Flash anymore, both work fine in Firefox on the same installation
[21:12] <Mamarok> strangely it works well for markey, but not for me, and I can't remember having changed any settings
[21:21] <fale> thank you yuriy :)
[21:39] <Riddell> Mamarok: I've never used chromium in my life.  shtylman__ is the chromium fanboy
[21:48] <Mamarok> ok, thanks :)
[21:52] <jussi01> Mamarok: did you change your shortcut at all? it needs the flag to enable plugins, doesnt it?
[21:53] <tsimpson> it needs a flag to _enable_ plugins o_0
[22:02] <ryanakca> I have a feeling I'll have to write a pam_time frontend for my mum (she used Vista's time control module of the parental controls quite a bit to control the amount of time my sister spent on the computer)... If I manage to write it, I wouldn't mind getting it into Kubuntu... should I write it stand alone, or should I figure out how to get it to plug into systemsettings?
[22:04] <tsimpson> all systemsettings needs to know is how to change the config, so you shouldn't have to worry about that now
[22:05] <tsimpson> once you have a settings file, then worry about it ;)
[22:06] <ryanakca> tsimpson: A settings file, as in, other than /etc/security/time.conf ?
[22:07] <tsimpson> whatever it uses
[22:07]  * tsimpson steers clear of pam at all costs
[22:07] <ryanakca> tsimpson: It already exists on a standard install I believe. I don't remember installing any pam stuff anyways.
[22:08] <Riddell> ryanakca: a kcontrol module would be better I'd say
[22:10] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm guessing that http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/kcm_howto.html is quite out of date (2004) ?
[22:11] <ryanakca> ... it's for C++ anyways, not what I want.
[22:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: Also, I'm guessing kcontrol modules plug into systemsettings? kcontrol doesn't appear to exist in Karmic, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=kcontrol&mode=&suite=karmic&arch=any
[22:14] <Riddell> ryanakca: anything on developer.kde.org is out of date, techbase is the replacement
[22:14] <Riddell> there's not much docs for pykde kcontrol modules, you just need to start with the template in kdebindings and use the API docs
[22:15] <Riddell> system settings replaced kcontrol
[22:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[22:15] <Riddell> but the modules are still called kcontrol modules
[22:17] <fale> what the hell happened? they putted in backports an old and uncompilable version? :S
[22:18] <fale> Riddell: I think that is you
[22:18] <fale> Riddell: was karmic3 not karmic1 to be imported
[22:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks
[22:20] <Riddell> fale: the backport is made from the latest version in lucid
[22:20] <fale> Riddell: yes, but it will never compile if you don't change what I did in karmic2 and karmic3
[22:20] <Riddell> fale: what did you change?
[22:21] <fale> the rules file and the dependences
[22:21] <Riddell> fale: can these changes go into lucid?
[22:21] <fale> Riddell: why don't streight import my version?
[22:21] <Riddell> because backports are done from the development version
[22:22] <fale> Riddell: I think thay can, but this will mean not using debhelper 7
[22:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: Are there any existing python kcontrol module I can look at?
[22:24] <Riddell> ryanakca: system-config-printer-kde
[22:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks
[22:24] <Riddell> ryanakca: also userconfig which runs as root
[22:24] <Riddell> ryanakca: running stuff as root is an extra hassle for kcontrol modules
[22:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: so it might be easier to just do it as a standalone app fir a first version
[22:25] <Riddell> fale: hmm right, it's the pesky --with kde stuff which isn't in karmic
[22:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[22:25] <fale> Riddell: pesky?
[22:26] <neversfelde> is there a freeze for merges? I am nearly finished with amarok, but I will be away for the next three weeks, so koffice still needs some time.
[22:26] <Riddell> fale: annoying.  because it means we can't just backport straight from lucid
[22:26] <Riddell> neversfelde: when is koffice 2.1 out?
[22:26] <fale> Riddell: is impossible to import from a ppa?
[22:26] <neversfelde> Riddell: the schedule says 3 weeks after rc1
[22:27] <Riddell> fale: I can do a manual upload and a manual approval, it's all possible but the assumption with backports is that it's done from the development version
[22:27] <Riddell> fale: so I'll do that
[22:27] <fale> Riddell: or, could I change the code into the bazar code?
[22:27] <fale> if yes, we can use the old system
[22:27] <fale> JontheEchidna told that was fine to use the old system in lucid
[22:28] <Riddell> fale: no let's keep lucid as it is, that's in line with debian
[22:28] <neversfelde> Riddell: correction, tagging is tomorrow
[22:28] <fale> Riddell: ok ;)
[22:28] <neversfelde> so I can do the packaging, before I have to leave
[22:29] <neversfelde> probably I can do the merge on my vacation, but I am not sure
[22:29] <Riddell> neversfelde: naw if it's out while you're away someone else can do it
[22:30] <neversfelde> Riddell: I meant the packaging for karmic, I can do it tomorrow
[22:30] <neversfelde> will upload it to ninja ppa
[22:31] <neversfelde> have to leave on sundy, so that should be enough time, but I doubt that debian will have packages ready before
[22:32] <neversfelde> s/sundy/sunday
[22:34] <neversfelde> simple lucid update should be no problem, too. The merge would have to wait until I am back, or someone else has to do it
[22:39] <fale> Riddell: do you plan to do it today?
[22:41] <Riddell> fale: uploaded, waiting for launchpad to do its thing so I can approve
[22:41] <fale> Riddell: I see ;)
[22:41] <fale> Riddell: to approve the backports you have to be motu?
[22:43] <Riddell> fale: backport requests are approved by the backports team
[22:43] <Riddell> manual uploads are approved by an archive admin
[22:43] <fale> I see
[22:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: patch?
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: move akonadiconsole out of the Settings subfolder
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> or to the settings folder, something like that
[22:47] <apachelogger> right
[22:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: for the time being upstream thinks it is sensible to have that beast installed, considering the unmature nature of akonadi at this point
[22:48] <apachelogger> it was discussed on the debian list for reference
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> anything we can do in the way of upstreaming?
[22:50] <Riddell> fale: approved, hopfully it'll compile soon, thanks for the backport, I know it's hassle but it'll be less hassle next time :)
[22:51] <fale> Riddell: cool :)
[22:51] <fale> Riddell: I think is normal that the first time is like that... I used ~1 month to understand a little bit more how to make packages ;)
[23:07] <fale> Riddell: news?
[23:09] <Riddell> fale: hmm?
[23:09] <fale> Riddell: about the packages ;)
[23:10] <ryanakca> Hehe, my dad likes Kubuntu so much that he's converted a coworker after two weeks of using it :)
[23:11] <fale> ryanakca: that's cool :)
[23:15] <dpm> nixternal: hi, we've got a section on improving documentation translation at #ubuntu-uds-alamo1, if you've got some minutes
[23:20] <maco> hey wanna do a kubuntu dinner tonight?
[23:21] <maco> im running to Best Buy with jussi01 to pick up a DVD but we'll be back by 7. wanna go somewhere after that?
[23:21] <maco> (and then watch the DVD, because a lot of us <3 Doctor Who and this will be Whovian)
[23:21] <maco> Riddell, rgreening, agateau, shtylman__, ScottK ^
[23:24] <agateau> maco: count me in
[23:25] <agateau> maco: Actually I could use a trip to Best Buy, if they sell cellphone batteries
[23:25] <maco> agateau: probably depends on the phone model, but worth a try
[23:26] <maco> they often have a verizon or at&t or whatever store inside
[23:32] <neversfelde> Riddell: is there an overview about all the new specs you wrote?
[23:37] <rgreening> maco: sounds interesting... Torchwood?
[23:37] <maco> aye
[23:37] <rgreening> wiked
[23:37] <maco> Children of Earth mini-series
[23:38] <rgreening> that was da bomb
[23:38] <Riddell> neversfelde: linked from my blog
[23:38] <maco> i was gonna bring dtchen's copy but forgot it. i figure i need a copy of my own anyway
[23:38] <txwikinger> agateau: Radio Shack is probably a good place
[23:38] <rgreening> tru dat
[23:40] <neversfelde> Riddell: thx
[23:41] <neversfelde> Service Temporarily Unavailable
[23:41] <neversfelde> hehe
[23:42] <neversfelde> guess taht needs to wait till tomorrow