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| micahg | I remembered a bug about making project/distro bug tasks interchangeable, is it bug 1334 | 00:46 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1334 in malone ""Also affects:" "Project…" and "Distribution/Package…" links should be merged" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334 | 00:46 |
| micahg | or is there another | 00:46 |
| wgrant | There is a specific bug for it. | 00:47 |
| micahg | wgrant: would you happen to have the number? | 00:49 |
| wgrant | micahg: Bug #80902 | 00:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 80902 in malone "Can't refile bug report from project to distribution, or vice versa" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80902 | 00:52 |
| micahg | thanks wgrant | 00:52 |
| micahg | oh, I was looking in malone, that's why I couldn't find it :) | 00:53 |
| wgrant | micahg: It is in malone. | 00:53 |
| wgrant | But I couldn't find it directly either. | 00:53 |
| wgrant | I only found it from a reference in another bug. | 00:53 |
| micahg | hmm | 00:54 |
| micahg | now it comes up | 00:54 |
| micahg | maybe it was there before | 00:54 |
| micahg | I was searching for 'project distribution' | 00:54 |
| wgrant | I couldn't find it because my queries included 'task' | 00:55 |
| micahg | yeah, that was my first few searches | 00:55 |
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| fmarier | so I complained to my ISP that Launchpad PPAs are not working through their transparent proxy and here's what their response was: "Its due to the administrators of those hosts not using cache control headers. I will try to get int touch with them and apply a LART, it may take some time as its low priority. Best thing you can do, is suggest to them that they use cache controls like everyone else." | 02:00 |
| Ursinha | spm: ^ | 02:02 |
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| spm | wget -Sv ppa ==> Cache-Control: max-age=31536000, public | 02:04 |
| spm | fmarier: which ppa in question? | 02:04 |
| fmarier | spm, my own: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fmarier/ppa/ubuntu karmic main | 02:05 |
| spm | intresting. my file in the test above came from the librarian; yours from the ppa server. most interesting.... | 02:07 |
| fmarier | (just realised that i should probably include the trailing slash in my sources.list to avoid the unnecessary 301...) | 02:08 |
| spm | fmarier: what's the issue you're seeing - it simply takes ages for you ppa files to be notcied as refreshed - the main dexy ones as in? | 02:08 |
| spm | indexy* | 02:08 |
| fmarier | spm, i get a GPG BADSIG when I run "apt-get update" | 02:08 |
| spm | awesome | 02:09 |
| delfick | Hello, how do choose "won't fix" for the status of a bug report ? for me, it's blanked out and unclickable... | 02:09 |
| Ursinha | delfick: I think you can only choose this if you're a bug supervisor of the project | 02:09 |
| delfick | I am | 02:10 |
| delfick | actually... I own the project | 02:10 |
| delfick | how does one become a bug supervisor? | 02:10 |
| fmarier | spm, I'm also getting the same error from http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com now (and my PPA seems to be fine today) | 02:10 |
| Ursinha | delfick: you go to the main project page, and click on the yellow ! in the right side of Bug Supervisor (I guess) | 02:11 |
| Ursinha | now not sure if it's the main page or the bugs page | 02:11 |
| wgrant | It's on the Bugs page. | 02:11 |
| mwhudson | don't see Cache-Control headers on say http://ppa.launchpad.net/fmarier/ppa/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release | 02:12 |
| spm | fmarier: urgness. sounds to me like the transparent proxy is being too aggressive in caching. holding stuff for too long; our fix would just enforce a faster timeout of same. | 02:12 |
| spm | mwhudson: agreed. | 02:12 |
| mwhudson | do see Last-Modified and Etag thoguh | 02:12 |
| delfick | wgrant, Ursinha : hmm, can't see a yellow ! :( | 02:12 |
| mwhudson | my brain is incompatible with the bits of the http rfc do with this | 02:12 |
| spm | mwhudson: I've managed to purge it. used to have a copy of the 1.1 rfc dog eared on my desk @ $job-1. horrible stuff. | 02:13 |
| delfick | except for "Edit bug mail subscription' | 02:13 |
| fmarier | mwhudson, what arguments are you passing to wget to see those? | 02:13 |
| spm | fmarier: -Sv | 02:14 |
| mwhudson | fmarier: what spm said, -Sv | 02:14 |
| fmarier | i'm using "wget -Sv -O /dev/null http://ppa.launchpad.net/fmarier/ppa/ubuntu/" and i don't get any of these headers | 02:14 |
| mwhudson | Last-Modified: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:11:23 GMT | 02:14 |
| mwhudson | ETag: "93fc132-1019c-4789aebc9a4c0" | 02:14 |
| mwhudson | fmarier: well i guess we know whose fault that is! | 02:14 |
| mwhudson | fmarier: i also don't see headers on that directory | 02:16 |
| Ursinha | delfick: are you logged in? | 02:18 |
| delfick | yeap | 02:18 |
| spm | I suspect a bug vs soyuz at this point is in order. I'm not familiar enough with the intricacies of debs and apt and transparent proxies to just make the change | 02:18 |
| fmarier | spm, should I file a bug? | 02:19 |
| lifeless | spm: transparent proxies are just plain bad | 02:19 |
| fmarier | lifeless, +1 | 02:19 |
| spm | fmarier: please - I'll subscribe the losas to same | 02:19 |
| spm | lifeless: +111 | 02:19 |
| lifeless | spm: there is one in NZ run by clear that fucks ubuntu dist-upgrades | 02:19 |
| fmarier | that's the one :) | 02:20 |
| wgrant | lifeless: +10000 | 02:20 |
| spm | I was about to ask... :-D | 02:20 |
| fmarier | TelstraClear ftw | 02:20 |
| lifeless | s/w/l | 02:20 |
| lifeless | fmarier: so a TODO I have | 02:20 |
| lifeless | is to whip up a squid config to add no-cache to the cache-control headers | 02:20 |
| lifeless | then point folk @ that squid | 02:20 |
| fmarier | spm, so I should file a bug against soyuz, right? | 02:21 |
| lifeless | (many intercepting proxies honour cache busting headers) | 02:21 |
| spm | fmarier: yup | 02:21 |
| wgrant | So there is actually an ISP in NZ that has a transparent proxy? | 02:21 |
| fmarier | yes and it doesn't make the interwebs go any faster :( | 02:22 |
| mwhudson | i'd be surprised if there was one that doesn't | 02:22 |
| sproaty | is it me or the little yellow circle "edit" button misleading in places? | 02:22 |
| mwhudson | fmarier: who are you with? | 02:22 |
| fmarier | TelstraClear | 02:22 |
| mwhudson | oh you said just above | 02:22 |
| sproaty | sometimes it opens ajax request boxes, other times it opens a URL -- always hard to tell which | 02:22 |
| wgrant | sproaty: Yes. Some of the links are green, others are blue. But there's no text in those cases, so the colour doesn't show :( | 02:23 |
| mwhudson | fmarier: is that the cable lot, or adsl? | 02:23 |
| lifeless | wgrant: all of NZ | 02:25 |
| sproaty | https://launchpad.net/whyteboard/0.39 - like here (probably can't see it since I'm the owner) - but there's many edit icons next to things like "No Release Manager" that opens a new URL, whereas the icons for say, editing a bug status is ajax'd | 02:25 |
| lifeless | wgrant: for all intents and purposes | 02:25 |
| lifeless | mind you telstra are just cheap, the southern cross cable should have capacity ;) | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | you could say that about all NZ ISPs, being cheap | 02:28 |
| fmarier | mwhudson, it's on cable | 02:28 |
| mwhudson | fmarier: how is it, apart from the terrible proxy? | 02:28 |
| fmarier | spm, i've just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/485151 | 02:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 485151 in soyuz "PPA GPG signatures broken when accessing launchpad via transparent proxy" [Undecided,New] | 02:28 |
| fmarier | mwhudson, it's a bit early to say (i only started using it a few days ago) but so far i'm not too impressed | 02:30 |
| mwhudson | oh dear | 02:30 |
| spm | fmarier: ta; have subscribed the losas; so we shall see. | 02:30 |
| fmarier | i'm glad i'm not on a contract though, i might be going back to DSL | 02:30 |
| fmarier | spm, thanks! | 02:30 |
| mwhudson | we were thinking of switching to cable when we move to welly | 02:30 |
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| mwhudson | maxb: hey, i build launchpad dependencies 0.57 for karmic | 08:08 |
| mwhudson | maxb: does it still need to be rebuilt for hardy? | 08:08 |
| * mwhudson is not here fwiw | 08:09 | |
| maxb | yup, and let's take the opportunity to fix the version too | 08:09 |
| maxb | ah | 08:09 |
| maxb | It would be great if someone could reassign the branches to ~launchpad-committers so I can push too | 08:09 |
| maxb | By fix the version, I mean, call it 0.57~hardy1 such that the hardy version is less than the later series, as it should be | 08:10 |
| RenatoSilva | can't we delete groups? | 08:13 |
| maxb | groups? | 08:13 |
| RenatoSilva | sorry, teams | 08:14 |
| maxb | You can ask an admin for a team to be deactivated, which hides it | 08:15 |
| RenatoSilva | we were talking about creating a group and we ended up creating two groups at the same time | 08:15 |
| henninge | maxb: afaiu it is actually deleted (for all that it's worth). | 08:16 |
| henninge | RenatoSilva: If you are the group owner, please add a request to the answer tracker. | 08:16 |
| dreimark | how can I change my Contact Address in launchpad? | 08:16 |
| henninge | *team owner* !!! | 08:17 |
| henninge | ;-) | 08:17 |
| henninge | dreimark: https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails | 08:18 |
| henninge | RenatoSilva: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion | 08:19 |
| dreimark | henninge: thx | 08:19 |
| dreimark | aha a I should have done a reload, thought it didn't changed | 08:22 |
| RenatoSilva | henninge: thanks https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/90830 | 08:25 |
| RenatoSilva | code hosting offline in LP? | 08:30 |
| RenatoSilva | how long? | 08:30 |
| spm | RenatoSilva: per topic. ~ 4 hours in total; hopefully less. but. | 08:31 |
| RenatoSilva | weird, I just branched a project now | 08:31 |
| RenatoSilva | it's 6:30am here, and 8:30 UTC | 08:32 |
| spm | RenatoSilva: that'd be a nice trick. the server in question is shutdown. :-) | 08:33 |
| RenatoSilva | hmm, dir created at 05:57:25 | 08:38 |
| thekorn | hi, | 09:22 |
| thekorn | wasn't there a nice error page on http://bazaar.launchpad.net in the past | 09:22 |
| thekorn | all i get is this generic browser page | 09:22 |
| wgrant | thekorn: The server is actually offline this time. | 09:23 |
| thekorn | ah ok | 09:24 |
| maxb | Would have been nice to have brought something else up on the IP address to display a notice | 09:25 |
| thekorn | and as a super bonus, it would be nice if the same kind of message could be shown when running bzr instead of "[...]Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.[...]" | 09:27 |
| maxb | It would be a bit trickier to make that happen for ssh | 09:35 |
| rowinggolfer_ | getting an error message with bzr push. ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused | 10:25 |
| rowinggolfer_ | is the problem at my end? | 10:25 |
| noodles775 | rowinggolfer_: Codehosting is temporarily offline (see topic) | 10:32 |
| rowinggolfer_ | noodles775, thanks. | 10:32 |
| RenatoSilva | from #bzr: | 10:59 |
| RenatoSilva | RenatoSilva: bialix: in LP there's a section in the branch "Repository format: Packs 6 (uses btree indexes, requires bzr 1.9)" | 10:59 |
| RenatoSilva | bialix: it's eq to 1.9 format | 10:59 |
| RenatoSilva | RenatoSilva: wouldn't one be interested in the "storage formats" like displayed in bzr help current-formats, rather than this specific internal info? | 10:59 |
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| gioele | hello | 11:23 |
| gioele | I proposed to merge a branch of mine into bzr. I got some comments, changed the code and pushed the updated branch. What should I do now to make to tell the reviewers (and launchpad) that I updated the branch? | 11:23 |
| gioele | Should I use the "Request another review"? | 11:24 |
| gioele | or should I use "Propose for merging" again? | 11:24 |
| noodles775 | gioele: Launchpad will automatically update the diff displayed on your merge proposal, so no need to resubmit... | 11:24 |
| noodles775 | gioele: but it is worth replying to the comments on the MP (this will email anyone who has reviewed the MP already). | 11:25 |
| gioele | noodles775: how long does it take usually? seconds/minutes/hours? | 11:25 |
| noodles775 | My general approach is to reply to a comment with my responses inline, and if it's worthwhile, include a link to a paste of the incremental. | 11:25 |
| noodles775 | gioele: normally within 10 minutes (afaik, but someone from codehosting can confirm), but codehosting was down for an upgrade for the past 4 hours. | 11:26 |
| gioele | noodles775: ah, OK, I'll wait then. I don't want reviewers to see the old version when they receive the email | 11:27 |
| noodles775 | gioele: great. losa: do you know if the process that updates diffs on MP's back up and running since the upgrade? | 11:28 |
| noodles775 | s/MP's/MP's is | 11:28 |
| maxb | RenatoSilva: That string comes from bzr itself, it's not an invention of Launchpad. Though I agree the command-line terse alias would be more useful | 11:43 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: ok, hope someone change than in the future :) | 11:45 |
| maxb | RenatoSilva: Looks to me like the bzr code doesn't make it easy to do the lookup from format object to command-line name. Which is probably why LP is set up to show the description, which is retrievable easily | 11:46 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: bzr xmlinfo | 11:47 |
| maxb | bzr: ERROR: unknown command "xmlinfo" | 11:47 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: it's a plugin shipped with bzr 2, you may want the dev version: bzr branch lp:bzr-xmloutput $plugins/xmloutput | 11:49 |
| maxb | RenatoSilva: It doesn't work very well. It tells me 'unnamed' in most of my non-2a branches | 11:51 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: #bzr told me it is a mix of formats | 11:51 |
| maxb | Not xmloutput's fault, given plain 'bzr info' does too | 11:51 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: bzr info -v, will display the metadata that LP currently uses, but they told me that data are internal | 11:52 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: btw, do you parse the raw output of bzr info -v to get that info there in LP? | 11:53 |
| maxb | heh, "I" don't. | 11:53 |
| RenatoSilva | but do you know how is it done? | 11:54 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: I think if the storage format is unnamed, then that's what LP should display | 11:55 |
| maxb | I have not found the code in LP, but based on grepping for the string in the bzr source, it looks like it's a simple matter of calling get_description() on the repository format object | 11:55 |
| maxb | RenatoSilva: No, because that would be useless | 11:55 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: why? | 11:56 |
| maxb | If I tell you the format is unnamed, you have no useful information | 11:56 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: why is internal data more useful than that? | 11:56 |
| RenatoSilva | if unnamed is useful info or not, it is a bzr issue I think, not LP's | 11:57 |
| maxb | Why do you think it's internal? It's a human-readable description. That's pretty external | 11:57 |
| RenatoSilva | I prefer 'unnamed' storage format than cool internal data that sounds absolutely random and doesn't matter for the end user | 11:58 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: one from LP told the formats 1 2 3 4 5 etc way displayed in bzr info -v is internal information | 11:58 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: for example, if you use an old bzr version, and you look at a branch in LP | 11:58 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: and you see the format is 2a, you may know your old bzr can't work with that branch | 11:59 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: it's like a bzr info in LP | 11:59 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: current behavior is like a bzr info -v, (where verbose is not usually default in any tool, but it is in LP currently) | 12:00 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: I think at a 1st look you could see the overall format (2a, 0.92 etc) (I think it was that way in LP 2?), then in some other page we would have "detailed info" (-v) | 12:01 |
| RenatoSilva | well, ideas :) | 12:02 |
| RenatoSilva | when you cerate a merge proposal to trunk where you branch contains a merge from trunk, shouldn't that revision be hidden in the "unmerged revisions" section? | 12:11 |
| maxb | No | 12:12 |
| maxb | Because it's a revision in your branch which isn't in trunk | 12:12 |
| RenatoSilva | ok, it won't get merged anyway, so no problem | 12:14 |
| wgrant | Why won't it get merged? | 12:14 |
| maxb | Or rather, it will get merged, why do you think otherwise? :-) | 12:18 |
| wgrant | That too. | 12:19 |
| RenatoSilva | the merge from trunk won't get merged into trunk | 12:20 |
| wgrant | It will. | 12:21 |
| RenatoSilva | why? trunk already contains the merged revisions | 12:21 |
| maxb | But it doesn't contain conflict resolution you may have done as part of the merge | 12:21 |
| RenatoSilva | ok you mean it will go in the history? | 12:21 |
| RenatoSilva | maxb: oh I see, the history with merges is still veru hard to understand to me | 12:22 |
| RenatoSilva | *very | 12:23 |
| RenatoSilva | for example | 12:25 |
| RenatoSilva | o.O http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3403/65098324.png | 12:26 |
| RenatoSilva | there are cases with dashed lines too | 12:27 |
| maxb | RenatoSilva: dashed lines are not complicated. They just mean there is more history there than is currently being displayed. | 12:29 |
| RenatoSilva | ok, all this is hard to get, hopefully the only thing I need to know is that when I merge and branch, things get working | 12:32 |
| RenatoSilva | maybe someday I stop to understand that well | 12:32 |
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| sproaty | so how do I get my application into ubuntu's repository? | 16:04 |
| sproaty | I think I accidently linked my project to Jaunty, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/whyteboard | 16:04 |
| tsimpson | sproaty: if you want to get a package into Ubuntu, you should start with the MOTU at #ubuntu-motu | 16:16 |
| sproaty | cheers | 16:17 |
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| cyberix | I'm trying to do "this bug also affects Debian" | 16:28 |
| cyberix | What should I use as the bug tracker url? | 16:29 |
| cyberix | I know the bug number, but Debian uses a mailing list for bug reporting | 16:29 |
| tsimpson | the URL from the debian bug tracker | 16:29 |
| cyberix | oh | 16:29 |
| cyberix | didn't know about that existing | 16:29 |
| tsimpson | bugs.debian.org | 16:29 |
| cyberix | thank you | 16:29 |
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| jldupont | hi - I have a bunch of .deb repositories. Is there an easy way just to "dput" those .deb in a PPA? | 17:09 |
| jldupont | ... just a link would be great! | 17:12 |
| maxb | jldupont: You can't upload pre-built .debs to PPAs, only debian *source* packages | 17:15 |
| jldupont | so no binary packages then? | 17:15 |
| maxb | All binary packages must be built by the launchpad build farm, not uploaded directly | 17:16 |
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| jldupont | @maxb: Oh I see.... if my package contains Erlang source file, is this supported? | 17:17 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: sure | 17:17 |
| jldupont | cool! | 17:17 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: your package will need to declare the correct Build-Dependencies of course | 17:17 |
| jldupont | so the debian/rules file is used to buld the package? | 17:18 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: yeah | 17:18 |
| jldupont | Thanks guys! | 17:18 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: it's built as a Debian package, so everything that applies to building those applies | 17:18 |
| jldupont | I never had to worry about debian/rules before... I built my own apt repositories without those before... | 17:19 |
| jldupont | any pointers to a good debian/rules tutorial? | 17:20 |
| jldupont | let's just say that http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html is thin on details... | 17:20 |
| maxb | It is quite strange to build .debs without using debian/rules | 17:21 |
| jldupont | @maxb: probably... but I pretty much figured out how to build one using bits & pieces of web pages... | 17:22 |
| LarstiQ | ehm, so how _do_ you build one? | 17:22 |
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| jldupont | I am using a combination of Scons / make | 17:22 |
| jldupont | with tools such as dpkg-scanpackages etc. | 17:23 |
| LarstiQ | wow | 17:23 |
| maxb | None of those actually build .deb files | 17:23 |
| jldupont | @maxb: I don't have all the details OTH | 17:23 |
| jldupont | I just know I've got it working: http://erlang-dbus.googlecode.com/ | 17:23 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: apt-get install devscripts | 17:25 |
| jldupont | now I need to add signing and so I decided to revisit my whole process. | 17:25 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: and invoke `debuild` | 17:25 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: from the base of an unpacked debian source package | 17:25 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: that will build your .deb | 17:25 |
| jldupont | ... assuming I've got a good debian/rules file I guess. | 17:25 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: if it doesn't, it's a hint it needs work :) | 17:26 |
| jldupont | ;-) | 17:26 |
| jldupont | where do I drop my makefile? | 17:27 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: depending on how far from a good rules file it is, the lintian errors are helpful | 17:27 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: which makefile | 17:27 |
| LarstiQ | ? | 17:27 |
| LarstiQ | the upstream package one? | 17:27 |
| jldupont | upstream package?? | 17:27 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: what does your makefile do, exactly? | 17:27 |
| jldupont | let's say I have a bunch of .cc files and .erl files I need to compile | 17:27 |
| LarstiQ | right | 17:27 |
| jldupont | you said "sources package" | 17:28 |
| jldupont | and not binary packages... so I suspect launchpad will want my makefile to build stuff, no? | 17:28 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: yes | 17:28 |
| jldupont | so, where do I drop my makefile in the folder hierarchy? | 17:29 |
| LarstiQ | same place it is now? | 17:29 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: `apt-get source hello` might be helpful as an example? | 17:29 |
| jldupont | hmmm... let me check this out. | 17:30 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: everything in debian/ is debian specific, and everything outside of debian/ is Debian orthogonal | 17:30 |
| jldupont | right. cool. | 17:30 |
| LarstiQ | so normally, you would have package/Makefile that just takes care of building the program | 17:31 |
| LarstiQ | and then package/debian/ which takes care of packaging it up | 17:31 |
| LarstiQ | specifically debian/rules for driving it, but debian/control is at least as important | 17:31 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: debhelper(7) is a tool that does a lot of the heavy lifting | 17:33 |
| jldupont | I am missing a bit here... | 17:33 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: which bit? | 17:33 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: ( http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ten_years_of_free_software_--_part_5_debhelper/ for a relevant blogpost by the author) | 17:33 |
| jldupont | so Launchpad is only concerned with .tar.gz file, right? | 17:34 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: no | 17:35 |
| jldupont | the .dsc also maybe | 17:35 |
| jldupont | (sorry I am backtracking cos I am missing a bit here) | 17:36 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: and the diff.gz | 17:36 |
| LarstiQ | (certainly the .dsc, if my reply wasn't clear) | 17:36 |
| jldupont | ok. | 17:36 |
| jldupont | I have peeked inside the hello stuff you pointed me to. | 17:37 |
| jldupont | I see .diff.gz, .dsc, .orig.tar.gz | 17:37 |
| * LarstiQ nods | 17:37 | |
| jldupont | in the .orig, I see no /debian folder | 17:37 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: correct | 17:37 |
| jldupont | then I am utterly confused now. | 17:37 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: you'll find that in the .diff.gz | 17:37 |
| jldupont | ah! | 17:38 |
| glatzor | danilos, hello | 17:38 |
| glatzor | danilos, could you join the user contributed data in software-center session? | 17:38 |
| jldupont | .diff is a tar? | 17:38 |
| glatzor | danilos, it is a double session. | 17:38 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: the orig being what one, as a Debian packager, would download from an upstream project. All the packaging bits go in the diff.gz and orig is left untouched | 17:38 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: no, a gzipped diff | 17:39 |
| jldupont | makes sense. You are being VERY helpful. | 17:39 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: note that 'apt-get source hello' will have combined the various bits into a hello-version/ directory | 17:39 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: in case you got a .dsc, orig and diff via other methods, dpkg-source -x .dsc will do the unpacking and assembling | 17:40 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: you might want to make use of http://mentors.debian.net/ or the irc channel/mailinglist | 17:41 |
| jldupont | I am getting it now. | 17:41 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: or Ubuntu MOTU for the Ubuntu side of things | 17:41 |
| jldupont | @LarstiQ: you are making my day! | 17:42 |
| jldupont | ok now, | 17:42 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: gladly :) | 17:42 |
| jldupont | my makefile will reside in /package | 17:43 |
| danilos | glatzor, sure, in about 15 minutes, is that fine? | 17:43 |
| glatzor | danilos, great | 17:43 |
| jldupont | along with the rest of my source files etc | 17:43 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: yup | 17:43 |
| jldupont | in /package/debian, the usual CONTROL files etc. | 17:43 |
| * LarstiQ nods | 17:43 | |
| jldupont | along with the rules file | 17:43 |
| jldupont | I use debuild to package it up | 17:44 |
| jldupont | and then dput to upload it | 17:44 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: yup, that's it | 17:44 |
| jldupont | on the other side, | 17:44 |
| LarstiQ | and then the launchpad build machines will process it, produce a package or an error | 17:44 |
| jldupont | Launchpad will build the package and inform me of any errors, wardning etc. | 17:44 |
| jldupont | ... how do I get notified of errors? | 17:45 |
| jldupont | snail email? | 17:45 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: yeah, do take care to sign the package with a key that is registered in launchpad | 17:45 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: email | 17:45 |
| jldupont | ok | 17:45 |
| LarstiQ | the email is sent to the account the key is attached to | 17:45 |
| jldupont | Is there a way to know in advance IF there will be errors? | 17:45 |
| jldupont | i.e. test run on my side AS Lanchpad would do it? | 17:45 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: not a 100% guarantee | 17:45 |
| jldupont | hmmm. | 17:46 |
| jldupont | so, how long is the full cycle? | 17:46 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: the kind of errors you won't notice locally are for example: forgetting to specify a necessary dependency you happen to have installed | 17:46 |
| jldupont | check | 17:46 |
| jldupont | so, turn around time is.... as fast as the web site ;-) | 17:47 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: you could set up pbuilder locally to guard against such things | 17:47 |
| jldupont | launchpad.net is slow... at least on my side | 17:47 |
| jldupont | pbuilder?? | 17:47 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: pbuilder builds packages in a chroot | 17:48 |
| LarstiQ | (or other isolated enviroment) | 17:48 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: it's the `pbuilder` package in Debian | 17:48 |
| jldupont | ... a sort of VirtualEnv like in Python? | 17:48 |
| LarstiQ | right | 17:49 |
| jldupont | cool ! | 17:49 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: the package provides the command 'pdebuild' which you call the same way as 'debuild' | 17:49 |
| jldupont | ... and I'll catch missing dependencies... | 17:49 |
| LarstiQ | but it copies your source over and does a build in a cleaner environment | 17:49 |
| LarstiQ | yes | 17:49 |
| LarstiQ | launchpad is like pbuilder, but remote, and higher latency ;) | 17:50 |
| jldupont | it will create another enviroment... but where? | 17:50 |
| LarstiQ | usually with more processing power than a lone laptop though | 17:50 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: /var/cache/pbuilder iirc, but that is part of setting up pbuilder | 17:51 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: for now, I wouldn't bother with it if I were you | 17:51 |
| jldupont | got it. | 17:51 |
| jldupont | let me get cracking and see how it goes! | 17:51 |
| LarstiQ | ok :) | 17:51 |
| jldupont | THANKS FOR ALL THE ALL ! | 17:51 |
| jldupont | FOR ALL THE HELP i meant | 17:51 |
| jldupont | YOU ROCK! | 17:51 |
| LarstiQ | np, hope it helps | 17:52 |
| jldupont | I am sure it will! I got by with MUCH less before! | 17:52 |
| jldupont | @larstiq: Wouter van Heyst ? | 17:54 |
| LarstiQ | that's me, yes | 17:55 |
| jldupont | (of course... sorry)... I'll shut up now. ciao | 17:55 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: (in case you didn't know, irc clients have a /whois command that would, in my case, have told you that too) | 17:55 |
| jldupont | I was just checking the Launpad site to see if there was a correlation with larstiq... but of course there was.... silly me. | 17:56 |
| LarstiQ | :) | 17:56 |
| jldupont | I am new on Launchpad... been using GoogleCode for long. | 17:57 |
| LarstiQ | ah | 17:57 |
| jldupont | @LarstiQ: usually, in a .deb file, the "layout" in the filesystem is all done... I guess I'll need to cp files accordingly in debian/rules ? | 18:12 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: usually, the upstream makefile has an 'install' target | 18:13 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: debian/rules calls that install target, with DESTDIR set (often to debian/tmp/) | 18:13 |
| jldupont | got it. thanks | 18:13 |
| jldupont | in debian/tmp ? | 18:14 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: a temporary area to gather files before packing them up | 18:14 |
| jldupont | So I have to respect DESTDIR in rules file then... | 18:15 |
| jldupont | important to know :-) | 18:15 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: well, you provide it ;) | 18:15 |
| jldupont | ? | 18:15 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: debian/rules sets DESTDIR, package/Makefile should respect it | 18:16 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: if you have a simpler build process, you could do something like hello-2.2 does with `install` | 18:16 |
| tsimpson | would this discussion not be better in #ubuntu-motu ? | 18:16 |
| LarstiQ | tsimpson: probably | 18:17 |
| jldupont | ... but Larstiq is SO helpful. | 18:17 |
| tsimpson | well, you can _both_ join there ;) | 18:17 |
| LarstiQ | jldupont: other people can be helpful too :) | 18:17 |
| * LarstiQ is at his channel max, so that won't happen | 18:18 | |
| tsimpson | register and get +e from staff | 18:18 |
| jldupont | what's "+e" ? | 18:18 |
| * tsimpson is in nearly 50 channels on freenode | 18:18 | |
| maxb | +u, no? | 18:18 |
| tsimpson | erm, yes | 18:18 |
| tsimpson | +e is identified | 18:18 |
| LarstiQ | tsimpson: irc costs me enough time as is ;P | 18:19 |
| LarstiQ | but thanks for the hint, it's useful to know that is possible (nowadays?) | 18:19 |
| tsimpson | it's a feature of freenode, has been for quite a while | 18:19 |
| jldupont | I do not know what "+e" or "+u" are | 18:20 |
| tsimpson | jldupont: ignore +e for now, +u is a mode set which lets you join more channels. see the output of "/mode jldupont" to see your modes | 18:20 |
| * LarstiQ gets back to his homework | 18:21 | |
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| oly_ | errk, can anyone tell me how to resolve different rich-root support | 21:04 |
| oly_ | bzr kept telling me i should upgrade my repository so i did but now seems to have stopped me uploading to launchpad :/ | 21:04 |
| oly_ | does that mean the remote copy should be updated as well some how ? | 21:05 |
| thumper | oly_: yes | 21:11 |
| oly_ | i tried doing an upgrade and it said that backup.bzr already exists :p | 21:11 |
| oly_ | is there a way i can remove that some how ? | 21:12 |
| oly_ | hum, can you ssh in to edit the files direct ? | 21:13 |
| mwhudson | oly_: not ssh but sftp works | 21:13 |
| mwhudson | don't use the openssh sftp client though | 21:14 |
| mwhudson | as it doesn't have rm -rf | 21:14 |
| mwhudson | lftp works | 21:14 |
| oly_ | okay what about filezilla as i am familiar with that | 21:14 |
| oly_ | ah the gnome client seems to work | 21:16 |
| oly_ | cheers for that, never realised i could do that | 21:17 |
| mwhudson | oly_: np | 21:20 |
| mwhudson | oly_: it's a bit weird until you get past the ~user/project/name part as that's a completely virtual filesystem | 21:20 |
| oly_ | yeah, well i am deleting those bzr upgrade files will try upgrading my remote branch and then see if i can upload my local changes | 21:22 |
| * oly_ crosses his fingers | 21:22 | |
| mwhudson | cool | 21:22 |
| mwhudson | bzr/launchpad should handle this better, somehow... | 21:23 |
| oly_ | especially for those who are not that familiar with version control | 21:24 |
| oly_ | its quite a steep learning curve i have found | 21:24 |
| oly_ | know how to deal with situations that arise | 21:24 |
| mwhudson | yeah | 21:24 |
| mwhudson | well | 21:24 |
| mwhudson | everyone should just use the 2a format now | 21:24 |
| mwhudson | and likely for the next year or so | 21:24 |
| mwhudson | so this problem will actually fade a bit | 21:24 |
| oly_ | yeah, but i just mean things in general like bringing branchs back in sec | 21:25 |
| oly_ | s/sec/sync :p | 21:26 |
| oly_ | i am getting there though | 21:26 |
| mwhudson | cool | 21:26 |
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