[00:01] <nixternal> dpm: sorry I missed it...I will go over the backlog and gobby docs later tonight
[00:03] <dpm> nixternal, no worries, thanks for coming back to me. We'll be posting the outcome to ubuntu-doc@ as well
[00:06] <nixternal> groovy...I had that marked to make but I had to give my old man a ride since my mom is driving his vehicle right now
[02:10] <jjesse> evening
[02:11] <jjesse> i see nixternal has posted some about kubuntu docs :)  looks like he is up to stiring up trouble again
[02:12] <DarkwingDuck> hey jjesse
[02:23] <jjesse> hey DarkwingDuck
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I think ive about got my feet under me with XML again...
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> what do you use for an editor? just Kate?
[02:31] <jjesse> yeah
[02:32] <jjesse> or nano
[02:32] <jjesse> :)
[02:32] <DarkwingDuck> Got ya... and is it just you and Nix for doc guys?
[02:33] <DarkwingDuck> Well, once I get more comfy me too
[02:36] <jjesse> hrmm
[02:36] <jjesse> yes DarkwingDuck
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[02:44] <jjesse> did you get my note about yes you can send it to me and nixternal
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> missed that one.
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> You think it would be better for me to change the current kubuntu-docs to reflect the kubuntu-netbook-doc changes?
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> better/simpler
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> Because alot of it is the same just the GUI and a few other minor changes.
[02:48] <jjesse> yes i think so
[02:48] <jjesse> instead of writing everything from scratch
[02:49] <DarkwingDuck> *nods*
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> is there any documentation on the folder structure of documentation?
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> To learn? :)
[02:50] <jjesse> umm not yet
[02:51] <DarkwingDuck> So, no real standard?
[02:51] <jjesse> yeah and that's the problem that nixternal sent to the kubuntu-devel mailing list
[02:51] <jjesse> aobut rewriting for scrach for lucid
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> I would like to be a part of that.
[02:52] <jjesse> do you read kubuntu-devel
[02:52] <jjesse> he sent an email earlier
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> I'm signing up now
[02:53] <jjesse> ok
[02:53] <DarkwingDuck> I'll also send out a introduction email that I will be working with you and nixternal with the doc side of kubuntu along with the netbook stuff
[02:53] <jjesse> cool
[02:54] <DarkwingDuck> :) Thanks
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> launchpad mailing list right? I have to be added...
[02:55] <jjesse> the kubuntu-devel class
[02:55] <jjesse> mailing list i meant
[02:56] <jjesse> it might be on lists.ubuntu.com ??
[02:57] <DarkwingDuck> i'm looking lol
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> okay, found it.
[03:01] <jjesse> yay look in the list archives from earlier today
[03:01] <DarkwingDuck> and subscribed
[03:01] <jjesse> haven't read the discussion myself yet
[03:01] <ryanakca> nixternal, jjesse: Will help.kubuntu.org get done for lucid?
[03:03] <jjesse> ryanakca i sure hope so, hopefully with the way nixternal is suggesting rewriting these
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: eh, not that deep with the thread...
[03:12] <jjesse> oh ok
[03:13]  * jjesse walks dog and then heds to bed
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> Night jjesse
[04:58] <nixternal> ryanakca: yes for Lucid and h.k.o..... h.k.o would have been useless now, as the docs are in bad shape....with the new setup we are looking at, I will make sure to build the h.k.o stuff right into the Makefile from the beginning
[05:18] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: You're back :)
[05:18] <DarkwingDuck> I wanted to talk to you about the docs and Lucid
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[05:35] <spridel> pong
[05:45] <DarkwingDuck> *grumbles*
[05:45] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll have to email you nixternal
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> night
[06:33] <markey> morning
[06:34] <markey> how can I mark a package in such a way that apt-get will ignore it for upgrading?
[06:34] <markey> say I made it myself and don't want it changed
[09:11] <ghostcube> ehlo :)
[09:16] <amichair> hi ghostcube
[09:17] <amichair> whatcu upto?
[09:19] <amichair> whatcu upto?
[09:21]  * apachelogger jumps in, in his darth vader costume and goes into heavy breathing mode
[09:22] <apachelogger> markey: you can pin it
[09:22]  * apachelogger thinks there should be a gui for that really
[09:22] <markey> pin what?
[09:23] <markey> aaah
[09:23] <markey> the package
[09:23] <apachelogger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[09:23] <markey> thanks :)
[09:23] <apachelogger> oh, synaptic actually can do that
[09:23] <markey> synaptic.. gtk...
[09:23] <markey> I use aptitude from konsole, mostly
[09:23] <markey> lovely tool
[09:24] <apachelogger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Apt/Dpkg
[09:24] <markey> thx
[09:24] <apachelogger> cli way of pinning seems good enough too :)
[09:24]  * apachelogger finds it weird that aptitude doesnt have it built in though
[09:24] <markey> heh
[09:24] <markey> "echo libxfont1 hold | dpkg --set-selections"
[09:25] <markey> that is a strange way to pipe the commands
[09:25] <markey> is that really needed? :)
[09:25] <apachelogger> *Shrug* if the tutorial says so :P
[09:26] <markey> nice, it worked
[09:26] <markey> The following packages have been kept back:
[09:26] <markey>   metastore
[09:26] <markey> thx :)
[09:27] <apachelogger> yw
[09:28] <markey> btw, this metastore is really just a part of "etckeeper", and that is one hell of a cool tool
[09:28] <markey> allows you to use Git for making backups
[09:28] <markey> super easy :)
[09:31] <apachelogger> etckeeper is indeed superawesome
[09:32] <apachelogger> oha... google chrome os... with inferiority builtin :D
[09:32]  * apachelogger dances with gtk 
[09:32] <markey> apachelogger: have you tried etckeeper yourself? I've only built it last night, not yet really used
[09:32] <markey> but it seems awesome
[09:33] <apachelogger> every server I setup gets etckeeper, not a lot, but yes I used it
[09:34]  * apachelogger got jamie oliver on his igoogle :D
[09:43] <ghostcube> hi amichair :)
[09:44]  * amichair is curious how the boys and gals here found their way to kubuntu...
[09:45] <Tm_T> amichair: you really don't want to know...
[09:45]  * Tm_T hides
[09:46] <amichair> why, how kinky does it get? :-)
[09:47] <Tm_T> ...and that's something I don't want to know
[09:47]  * markey always reads amichair as "armchair", for some reason :)
[09:49] <amichair> markey: hehe... I thought of that, that I would too, but I figured it can bring up a nice cozy feeling
[09:50] <amichair> actually a lot of irc nicks bring up conotations of somthing similar, but not quite
[09:51] <amichair> like echidna brings up memories of good Indian food for some reason (chetni maybe?)
[09:53] <amichair> but really, I'm cursious where the ppl leading kubuntu have their os/desktop/software background from, which influences their ways...
[09:54] <Tm_T> amichair: I got my first own pc in january 2004, installed netBSD in it, then Debian...
[09:54] <Tm_T> before that, I was using DOS/Windows from early nineties
[09:54] <Tm_T> pretty much because I had no other choices
[09:55] <amichair> so u switched at xp or so?
[09:55] <Tm_T> XP/2000
[09:55]  * apachelogger is wondering why his kuniqueapplication insists on dying -.-
[09:56] <seele> markey: nice blog post
[09:56] <Tm_T> oh and I have used OS/2 and BeOS variants too
[09:56] <apachelogger> and is it some rule of nature that chrome must have bloated source repos?
[09:56] <Tm_T> apachelogger: is, son
[09:57] <amichair> I started off with vic20,commodore64, when I got my first 8086 with dos, upgrading the windows path up to xp
[09:58] <amichair> I never used osx or tried any other linux I think, kubuntu was love at first sight :-)
[09:58] <markey> seele: thanks :)
[09:58] <Tm_T> yu, I have silly memories with Memotech (:)
[09:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: do something!!!
[09:59] <amichair> but I only made the full switch about a year ago, until then it was dual boot, playing around here and there. oh at work I switched to kubuntu a year earlier, in a windows environment. it didn't play along perfectly, but good enough to get by
[09:59] <amichair> markey: blog?
[09:59] <markey> amichair: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1132-Micro-Options,-Many-Options,-No-Options-A-practical-guide-to-help-you-decide..html
[09:59] <markey> oi, it shorted the URL
[10:00] <markey> if it doesn't work, click in "amarok blog" above
[10:00] <markey> topmost article
[10:00] <amichair> it's ok, fixed as I copied
[10:07] <amichair> markey: very true
[10:11] <amichair> markey: how would one contact Celeste?
[10:14] <markey> amichair: e.g. via kde-usability@kde.org
[10:14] <markey> mailing list
[10:14] <markey> amichair: or, by talking to seele here, who happens to be the same person ;)
[10:15] <amichair> oh! how convenient :-)
[10:27] <amichair> seele: hello there :-)
[10:28] <Mamarok> hm, chormium works again with Flash and Javascript, I just had to restart it... *ashamed*
[10:28] <Mamarok> but another issue: what could be causing an USB hub not to work on Kubuntu (besides the hub being broken) ?
[10:29] <Mamarok> with HAL freaking out completely, keyboard not being responsive anymore, etc
[10:29] <Mamarok> unplugging that hub solved the HAL problem, but could this be a non-loaded usb module?
[10:29] <Mamarok> that thing is brand new
[10:52] <markey> nah
[10:52] <markey> brand new, but still borked :)
[10:52] <markey> it can happen
[11:03] <amichair> markey: it might be worth updating bios and running memtest too when hardware flakiness is involved
[11:03] <amichair> oops, that was for Mamarok :-)
[11:05] <markey> amichair: happens on two computers, so we can rule this out
[11:05] <markey> completely different computers in fact
[12:32] <ryanakca> nixternal: Great :)
[12:50] <EagleScreen> hi
[12:51] <EagleScreen> will there be a Kubuntu Lucid Webbrowser blueprint?
[12:52] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: I hope so
[12:53] <EagleScreen> I was watching Bug #396309 and I asked it
[13:02] <EagleScreen> With packages in here https://launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde; kcm-gtk, PlasmaNotify Add-on and apturl-kde, Firefox is ready to become the default web browser in Kubuntu.
[13:07] <EagleScreen> Another choice could be Rekonq, 0.3 version seems to be good
[13:11] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: ...
[13:12] <EagleScreen> ...
[13:12] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: hmm, willing to set up wikipage to collect information about different browsers?
[13:12] <Tm_T> for example what they support in KDE and what they require
[13:13] <Tm_T> and how well those browsers work in modern sites
[13:13] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: I can provide some data for this comparison then
[13:14] <EagleScreen> good idea
[13:14] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: but I afraid Firefox cannot be default browser in any near future
[13:14] <Tm_T> it can be included in comparison though
[13:20] <EagleScreen> can you explain why you reject Firefox, Tm_T?
[13:21]  * Sput hopes rekonq gains adblock soon
[13:21] <Sput> the developer seems to be interested
[13:22] <Tm_T> EagleScreen: space in CD
[13:24] <tsimpson> if we put FF (and all the stuff it needs) on our CD, we'd need to remove lots of other software
[13:24] <tsimpson> so until there's a way to build it without GTK, we can't include it
[13:25] <tsimpson> well, GTK and the other stuff it needs
[13:41] <apachelogger> hum
[13:42] <apachelogger> auth implementing for ubuntuone is of course done in python
[13:42] <apachelogger> looks like I have to digg into python's c api after all -.-
[13:47] <EagleScreen> FF does not need much gtk stuff to run, but it may be to build
[13:48] <EagleScreen> is it necessary to include build-deps for each package in the CD?
[13:48] <apachelogger> either that or you are wrong when saying that Mozilla Firefox does not need much gtk
[13:49] <amichair> is there anything else we can trade FF for on the cd? it just seems to me that FF is probably the #1 used app on desktops (except for IE maybe:-) ) - it's not too friendly to not have it built in
[13:49] <apachelogger> though in fact you are right, but yet you are wrong
[13:49] <apachelogger> Mozilla Firefox needs loads and loads and loads of libs to get somewhat decent desktop intregation
[13:50] <amichair> it would make sense to remove 10 components that 1% of ppl use, for FF which many many use - the expected value of built-in usefulness will still be much higher
[13:51] <amichair> if there was only a way...
[13:55] <EagleScreen> Amarok, for instance, depends on libgtk2.0
[13:58] <EagleScreen> I think that Firefox and its packages has a weight of around 10 MB, apachelogger
[13:59] <apachelogger> whatever
[13:59] <apachelogger> pointless discussion
[14:00] <apachelogger> it is not going to get on the CD
[14:00] <apachelogger> end of discussion
[14:01] <EagleScreen> ok, but, at least, keep the installer in the menu, and upload the integration stuff to repository, if possible: https://launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde AND PlasmaNotify Add-on
[14:03] <\sh> apachelogger, code kubuntuone in python with PyQt + PyKDE
[14:04] <apachelogger> \sh: a) python is a pain in the arse b) pykde is even more of a pain in the arse c) I can not get fancy new systray in 4.3 with pykde
[14:05] <apachelogger> also from a performance POV coding that kind of stuff in python is a kind of bad idea as we have seen with update-notifier-kde
[14:05] <\sh> apachelogger, bah...who needs a systray
[14:05] <apachelogger> well
[14:05] <apachelogger> then there is even less justification for using python
[14:05] <apachelogger> and even more for having the autentification handled by the applet
[14:06] <\sh> apachelogger, is it using openid, btw? never checked the client source of uone
[14:06] <amichair> the FF thing makes me wonder... is gaining market share one of the stated kubuntu goals? if not, there's no issue there I guess
[14:07] <\sh> amichair, what has FF to do with Kubuntu gaining market share? if you want market share, take chromium or whatever
[14:08] <apachelogger> \sh: oauth
[14:08] <apachelogger> but since ubuntuone == openid forward to launchpad...
[14:10] <amichair> \sh: a large percent of windows users (most of the market who's share we might want) use or know FF. it's an easy and comfortable switch, much lower barrier to entry. especially since a browser is the most used desktop app... that's my take on it, anyway :-)
[14:11] <Tm_T> amichair: but as I have learnt, many users don't know what browser they are using (so it doesn't matter as long as it works) and those who do know, has no trouble installing it in current way
[14:11] <\sh> amichair, tbh, I'm normally a fan of KDE, but regarding windows user, they do much better with gnome, or mac os x, right now, then with KDE...KUbuntu could help to ease things on KDE when desktop integration is done in a nice way, but right now, KDE is too complicated for the standard windows user
[14:12] <\sh> most windows user don't even know what "multiple desktops" are...
[14:12] <\sh> apachelogger, did you had a look on liboauth?
[14:12] <\sh> s/had/have/
[14:13] <\sh> apachelogger, http://liboauth.sourceforge.net/index.html
[14:13] <apachelogger> \sh: nope, I am trying to avoid rewriting the auth process :)
[14:13] <apachelogger> since there is a perfectly fine implementation, just that it is done in python which makes calling it a bit difficult
[14:15] <amichair> \sh: that brings us back to the previous question, of whether we want those users to come to kubuntu (and make sure they want to stay), or send them off to ubuntu first...
[14:17] <\sh> amichair, let's do some good desktop integration thingies first in Kubuntu...which is hard enough, and then we can think about user catching...anyways it's a problem since kubuntu was invented
[14:17] <amichair> \sh: it's true they know nothing of multiple desktops, but why does that matter? if they enjoy kubuntu without using desktops, is that bad?
[14:18] <Sput> at least KDE 4.4 seems to gain support for PulseAudio
[14:18] <amichair> \sh: ok, that's a good answer. it's ok if market share is not currently one of the goals.
[14:18] <Sput> that stuff was merged in today
[14:18] <Tm_T> Sput: where what stuff?
[14:19] <Sput> Tm_T: phonon support for pulseaudio
[14:19] <Tm_T> Sput: hmm, ah, that commit(s)
[14:19] <\sh> amichair, anyways...we have a good userbase in europe...the problem is always America (which is redhat country and novell == gnome) and asia (which is also more a redhat area)
[14:20] <amichair> \sh: I was not aware of that... interesting
[14:20] <\sh> amichair, talking about KDE in general, not kubuntu ( I don't know any numbers of downloads or whatever)
[14:22] <amichair> \sh: I think it would be a good idea in any case to define who the target audience is - users of other distros, of other OSs, ppl who like KDE elsewhere, ppl who never tried KDE, advanced users, first-time users (netbooks?)...
[14:23] <Tm_T> all of those
[14:23] <Tm_T> we are taking over the whole world if you haven't noticed (;)
[14:23] <amichair> Tm_T: oh, great :-) to work then! :-D
[14:24] <\sh> I really wonder, how many people in the US or Asia are using opensuse at all...it's also a german /european phenomenon...I would also like to know the reason for opensuse to switch from gnome by default to kde by default
[14:25] <amichair> \sh: according to popcorn, 150K kubuntu-desktops installed, for what it's worth :-)
[14:25] <\sh> if it was just "our european userbase didn't want to have gnome"
[14:25] <Tm_T> \sh: I believe there were some poll
[14:26] <Sput> \sh: when's a good time to give you a call?
[14:26] <Tm_T> when KDE won, they tried to ignore it, people got rage ...
[14:26] <\sh> amichair, vs. 975314 installs of ubuntu-desktop ;)
[14:26] <amichair> mmmm.... popcorn...
[14:29] <amichair> but far too few kubuntu-netbooks :-(
[14:29] <Tm_T> shame that doesn't tell the whole truth
[14:30] <amichair> Tm_T: good statistics are hard to come by :(
[14:30] <\sh> oh we just need a method to phone home ;)
[14:30] <\sh> but if we would do that, we would be the steak on a winter barbecue
[14:31] <amichair> mmmm.... steak.....
[14:31] <Sput> oh interesting, Canonical does work for ChromiumOS?
[14:31] <\sh> Sput, where did you read that?
[14:31] <Sput> http://blog.canonical.com/?p=294
[14:31] <jjesse> yeah i thought that was interest
[14:32] <\sh> Sput, ach ...old news ,) rumours were telling always that google is using a special ubuntu version on their servers and desktops whatever
[14:57] <ryanakca> amichair: We set the target audience in the meeting the other day, look here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidWebsiteMarketingBranding
[14:59] <ryanakca> If someone with packaging experience has time and interest, could they simultaneously help me with a package split and test Kobby (I can fire up an infinoted and we can do it over it).
[15:02] <amichair> ryanakca: thanks for the link
[15:41] <\sh> Sput, still online ?
[15:42] <\sh> Sput, what about today? we could get a lift by Mr. Vaporup ;)
[15:49] <Riddell> Quintasan1: what was the status of the parley SRU?
[15:50] <Sput> \sh: ok :)
[15:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: I have subscribed SRU team on LP but no response
[15:53] <Quintasan> Should I poke on #ubuntu-motu?
[15:53] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/484802
[15:53] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: hehe, I went to bed right after I said that last night :)
[15:53] <nixternal> I am getting to old...going to bed all early and stuff :)
[15:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: hmm, those aren't minimal debdiffs
[15:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: I think you're diffing lucid to karmic?
[16:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: first thing is to get the fix into lucid, could you commit the change to kdeedu bzr packaging?
[16:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: next we need minimal debdiffs for karmic, so grab the package from karmic, make only the Recommends change and changelog then do a debdiff
[16:01] <Riddell> same for PPA
[16:03] <Quintasan> ahh ,okay
[16:14] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: I didn't know you were a squid did I? Sr. Cheif Gunner's Mate here :)
[16:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: commited to BZR
[16:19] <Riddell> +DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += -DEXPERIMENTAL_PYTHON_BINDINGS=true
[16:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: what is that change for?
[16:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: please revert that change, also 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1 hasn't been uploaded so no need for a new changelog version, just add your entires to the changelog for 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1 under [Your Name]
[16:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: about that DEXPERIMENTAL thing, I didn't change that line :/
[16:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: bzr diff says differently :)
[16:30] <debfx> EagleScreen: afaik the PlasmaNotify extension is useless when you use firefox with the KDE patch
[16:31] <Quintasan> urgh, damn it, I suck at bzr
[16:33] <EagleScreen> debfx: is it integrated in the kde patch?
[16:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/f3b69a92 -> bzr diff and rules are even not touched, I hope this is right
[16:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: that's good
[16:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'd replaces "they are
[16:35] <Riddell> +        broked"
[16:35] <Riddell> with "it does not work"
[16:37] <debfx> EagleScreen: yeah, it displays a knotification popup when a download finished
[16:38] <EagleScreen> i will check it
[16:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: about reverting, I would do bzr revert [files] then make changes and push them once again?
[16:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: I wouldn't do any reverting, I'd just make the changes and commit/push
[16:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: just asking for future :P
[16:44] <Riddell> yeah I guess so
[16:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: fixed now, everything should be fine
[16:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: hmm, maybe that DEXPERIMENTAL_PYTHON_BINDINGS issue was something on my local checkout
[16:47] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'll review this merge now and upload, if you can do the minimal diffs for karmic and karmic PPA versions
[16:48] <Riddell> if anyone sees agateau please send him my way (in grand ballroom)
[16:48] <Quintasan> uhh sure, will get to it when Ill finish downloading ChromeOS source :P
[16:49] <EagleScreen> debfx: i do not see any notification after PlasmaNotify uninstalled
[16:50] <EagleScreen> debfx: I remember that in Suse i need to install it to have KDE notifications
[16:52] <debfx> EagleScreen: the kde integration patch has the code to display the notification and it works for me
[16:53] <debfx> does it work with a fresh profile?
[16:53] <EagleScreen> for me, no notification (neither, Firefox or Knotify) after installing and uninstalling PlasmaNotify Add-on
[16:55] <Riddell> I had plasma notifications from firefox using debfx's packages
[16:56] <Riddell> debfx: we had a session with asac and calc on firefox and they seem happy and keen to have the patches in lucid's firefox, are you interested in helping with that?
[16:58] <EagleScreen> Plasma notifications are working in a fresh profile, so it seems that PlasmaNotify installation break FF notification system with KDE patches
[16:58] <debfx> Riddell: yes sure, I'd be happy to help
[17:01] <Riddell> debfx: I think there's some changes asac wanted to make or investigate to the patches, I'm hoping he'll write a spec for it
[17:10] <debfx> EagleScreen: I think you need to set browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete to true
[17:11] <nixternal> http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-kubuntu-9.10  - woot, HowtoForge has us under 'The Perfect Desktop' this go round! \o/
[17:11]  * apachelogger goes after qdbus with a bigish knife
[17:15] <nixternal> hehe
[17:15] <nixternal> qdbus is nice
[17:15] <nixternal> qdbus --system baby!
[17:16] <rgreening> Riddell: ping
[17:16] <apachelogger> nixternal: nah nah the qt qtdbus dbus
[17:16] <apachelogger> !!!
[17:16] <apachelogger> does wanna listen to the poor ol ubuntuone daemon
[17:17] <nixternal> oh, thought you meant the cli app
[17:17] <Riddell> rgreening: worked out how to play videos yet?
[17:17] <rgreening> Ha-ha
[17:17] <apachelogger> nixternal: nah, though that one is stupid too
[17:17] <apachelogger> doesn't list half the methods
[17:17] <rgreening> Riddell: well, maybe if I had a clean laptop to work from....
[17:17] <nixternal> there is also qdbusviewer gui if you don't want to keep throwing commands
[17:17] <Riddell> rgreening: always blame the equipment..
[17:17] <rgreening> Riddell: where abouts are u?
[17:18] <nixternal> haha
[17:18] <Riddell> rgreening: grand ballroom
[17:19] <rgreening> Oh, ok... I'll pop over in a bit.
[17:19] <rgreening> Riddell: almost got the tp spec done...
[17:21] <apachelogger> aha
[17:21] <apachelogger> ohnoes
[17:21]  * apachelogger doesnt get that dbus foo -.-
[17:24] <Quintasan> well, what can I say, I don't get OOP :P
[17:25] <rgreening> Quintasan: you know, if you smile first and say OOP its quite different...
[17:26] <nixternal> POOP!!!
[17:26] <nixternal> perl object oriented programming - way more fun!
[17:26] <rgreening> yep
[17:26] <rgreening> :)
[17:26] <nixternal> I about fell out of my chair when I read that in my perl book the other day
[17:26] <Quintasan> perl
[17:26] <Quintasan> :S
[17:26] <apachelogger> mhhh
[17:26] <apachelogger> POOP
[17:26] <apachelogger> mhhh
[17:26] <rgreening> :P OOP
[17:26] <apachelogger> Perl
[17:26] <nixternal> procedural oop as well
[17:26] <apachelogger> hrrr
[17:27] <dailystruggle> whu
[17:27] <Quintasan> LOOP - lisp object oriented programing
[17:27] <Quintasan> makes perfect sense
[17:27] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/323515/
[17:28] <apachelogger> why does the daemon not talk to me
[17:28] <apachelogger> oh why oh why
[17:28] <Quintasan> it aint speaking apacheloggerian :P
[17:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: try learning demonic :3
[17:28] <apachelogger> I event went for qt!
[17:29] <apachelogger> knowing that pyware would not be able to interpret apacheloggerian!
[17:29] <apachelogger> and yet it fails to talk to me!
[17:30]  * apachelogger notes that it is most likely an implementation problem though, since it works in qdbusviewer and dbus-monitor is also all verbose about sending round information
[17:30] <Quintasan> oh, nice set of apps
[17:30] <Quintasan> less -> more -> most
[17:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: try asking in an ubuntu one channel maybe?
[17:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: the problem is on my side, I just dont know where
[17:31] <apachelogger> maybe scope related or something
[17:31] <apachelogger> though that would also be weird :S
[17:44] <apachelogger> anyhow
[17:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: once that dbus stuff is sorted, I expect that ubuntuone for KDE can be a straight forward implementation, since just about everything is done via dbus
[17:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: 4.3.2 debdiff is up on LP, dling 4.3.3 from PPA now
[17:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: there's an ubuntu one guy here who says he's wanting to work with someone to get konqueror bookmark syncing with ubuntu one, should I put him in touch with you?
[17:55] <tsimpson> apachelogger: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdeui/notifications/knotificationmanager.cpp?view=markup makes me think you need a special connect()
[17:55] <tsimpson> (line 60)
[17:57] <Quintasan> To who should I report bugs in LP ui?
[17:58] <tsimpson> file them against the launchpad project
[17:58] <tsimpson> (in launchpad)
[17:59] <tsimpson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[18:00] <Riddell> ah, agateau
[18:00] <Riddell> agateau: able to come to grand ballroom?  I've some questions about this spec
[18:01] <agateau> Riddell: sorry, I am at IRC meeting with Aaron and marco
[18:01] <agateau> Riddell: in stanford (II)
[18:02] <Riddell> agateau: whenever you're free then
[18:04] <Riddell> agateau: can't be a very interesting session, kopete tells me you just signed onto facebook :)
[18:04] <maco> hahahaha
[18:06] <shtylman_> Riddell: piing
[18:07] <jussi01> where is the IRC meeting thats on now?
[18:07] <shtylman_> jussi01: stanford
[18:07] <Riddell> shtylman_: pong
[18:07] <shtylman_> 2nd floor
[18:08] <jussi01> shtylman_: wait, isnt it an IRC meeting?
[18:08] <shtylman_> Riddell: glad you were able to make it :)
[18:08] <shtylman_> jussi01: well...sorta
[18:08] <shtylman_> jussi01: IRC with the KDE upstream people
[18:08] <Tm_T> shtylman_: channel?
[18:08] <Riddell> shtylman_: where are the upstreams hiding?
[18:09] <shtylman_> Tm_T: #ubuntu-uds-stanford and #ayatana
[18:09] <shtylman_> we don't know which...
[18:09] <Tm_T> shtylman_: ouch
[18:09] <shtylman_> Riddell: they are scared
[18:10] <shtylman_> discussion will be in #ubuntu-uds-stanford
[18:12] <shtylman_> Riddell: are you going to sing for us tonight?
[18:12] <Riddell> what would you like me to sing?
[18:12] <shtylman_> we are the champions :)
[18:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: okay, two minimal debdiffs are up :)
[18:13]  * Quintasan votes for Admins Song
[18:13] <Quintasan> :)
[18:13] <shtylman_> haha
[18:18] <Riddell> looking good Quintasan
[18:19] <Riddell> only change I'll make is "0ubuntu2) karmic" should be "0ubuntu1.1) karmic-proposed"
[18:20] <nixternal> hey, we are renaming KNE to KNR right?
[18:20] <nixternal> s/are/aren't/
[18:22] <Riddell> yes
[18:22] <Riddell> we are
[18:22] <jjesse> we are renaming kubuntu netbook eidtion to netbook remix?
[18:22] <nixternal> why?
[18:22] <nixternal> UNR is now UNE
[18:22] <jjesse> i though  the propsoal was to rename UNR to UNE
[18:23] <nixternal> they dropped the remix
[18:23]  * jjesse is confused
[18:23]  * nixternal too
[18:23] <nixternal> UNR is now UNE, they have already started the changes
[18:23]  * jussi01 also...
[18:24]  * nixternal does not like KNR, as there is no remixing involved
[18:24] <jjesse> its a special edition w/ plasma netbook
[18:24] <jjesse> can we vote on this :)
[18:24] <nixternal> seems we are to late :(
[18:24]  * maco raises hand for keeping KNE
[18:24] <nixternal> did the KC vote on it?
[18:24] <Riddell> the use of the word is not well defined, but we've been asked to call it a remix because it's not going to be commercially supported
[18:24] <nixternal> ooh, pulled the KC card
[18:25] <nixternal> if the use of the word is not well defined, then why did Ubuntu chose it over remix
[18:25] <maco> i thought remix was "uses things not in main"?
[18:25] <Riddell> nixternal: ubuntu is dropping it because it will be commercially supported
[18:26] <Riddell> maco: it's not that clear
[18:26] <nixternal> shouldn't this have been a KC decision?
[18:26] <Riddell> nixternal: the trademark is owned by canonical, it's their say
[18:26] <nixternal> alrighty then
[18:27] <ScottK> nixternal: It's not a big deal I think.  Not my preference, but nothing to go to war over.
[18:27] <jjesse> anything that is not commercially supported has to have a remix to it?
[18:27] <nixternal> oh, I wasn't going to go to war over it...war doesn't solve a thing anyways
[18:28] <nixternal> war is nothing more than a pissing contest :)
[18:28] <ScottK> jjesse: It's complex and the decision is taken, so no point in dwelling on it.
[18:28] <jjesse> ok
[18:28] <Riddell> jjesse: something like that.  for ubuntu and kubuntu anyway.  variants with more obscure names xubuntu et al are presumably not going to be mistaken for commercially supported
[18:28] <maco> kubuntu is commercially supported?
[18:28] <nixternal> maco: yup
[18:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: that should be done via akonadi IMHO
[18:28] <ScottK> maco: It is.  You can buy a support contract for it.
[18:28] <Riddell> maco: sure
[18:28] <ScottK> (from Canonical)
[18:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: that way bookmarks could also be shared with chrome (via appropriate akoandi agent of course)
[18:29] <nixternal> can we chose another word besides remix Riddell? something cooler?
[18:29] <nixternal> if we can find a cooler word that is :)
[18:29] <Riddell> nixternal: I suspect not
[18:29] <maco> huh didnt know that. i figured just ubuntu wss
[18:29] <maco> *was
[18:29] <ScottK> nixternal: I asked and the trademark owner has very specific requirements.
[18:29] <maco> wait
[18:29] <nixternal> well then, I say we have a bit of fun with KNR then
[18:29] <maco> xtian and muslim edition arent commercially supported are they?
[18:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: that would require a lot of re-architecting of KDE bits, not trivial
[18:30] <ScottK> maco: Muslim Edition is now Sabayon (I think, spelling may be wrong) for this reason
[18:30] <maco> ScottK: er, no
[18:30] <maco> ScottK: Sabayon is Gentoo-based and is a few years older
[18:30] <ScottK> OK, there's one that's named something similar to that.
[18:30] <rgreening> yup
[18:31] <maco> i used it back in 2007
[18:31] <ScottK> Right.  I think it's Sabilly
[18:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, there are works towards enabling akonadi to be used with ubuntu one in some way, so in the long run making kbookmarks stored in akonadi is the better choice IMHO
[18:31] <nixternal> i tried sabayon as well, cuz it was cool, but oh so slow
[18:31]  * ScottK doesn't remember and doesn't have time to look it up.
[18:31] <maco> ScottK: one L but yeh
[18:32] <maco> nixternal: yes it is. and it refused to install on a 10GB partition
[18:32] <nixternal> haha, nice
[18:32] <maco> nixternal: requires a 15GB partition
[18:33] <apachelogger> tsimpson: knotificationmanager seems to be using a whole lot different approach
[18:33] <apachelogger> but oh well
[18:33] <apachelogger> worth a try
[18:34] <tsimpson> I noticed the docs for QtDBus are rather lacking still, requiring underlying knowledge about DBus (which no sane person has)
[18:34] <nixternal> haha
[18:35]  * jtechidna is hoping that apachelogger will acquire 1337 DBus skillz from all this and do codec installation for kubuntu-notification-helper
[18:35] <jtechidna> either that or I'd have to learn dbus :x
[18:36] <nookie^> evening folks
[18:36] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[18:37] <apachelogger> oha!
[18:39]  * apachelogger hugs tsimpson
[18:39] <apachelogger> for some reason that works
[18:39] <tsimpson> :)
[18:40] <apachelogger> and I have no freaking clue why that code is any different -.-
[18:40] <apachelogger> technically they should do exactly the same from what I read
[18:41] <jtechidna> You know, making a KCM for kubuntu-notification-helper would be quite trivial, and 4 months is a long time. I'll put that next on my ToCode list.
[18:42] <tsimpson> apachelogger: yeah, the doc even says "Signals are connected to by using the normal QObject::connect() function.", but that seems to just be lies
[18:42] <Riddell> jtechidna: why does it need a KCM?
[18:42] <nixternal> come on, dbus isn't all that hard now :)
[18:42] <apachelogger> tsimpson: nokia is telling lies I knew it! :P
[18:42] <jtechidna> Riddell: so that you can re-enable notifications
[18:42] <apachelogger> nixternal: not dbus, qtdbus
[18:42] <apachelogger> dbus is all shiny and working
[18:42] <nixternal> I scribbled up code that would do airplane mode over dbus, and then listen for changes made elsewhere and change icon/status respectively
[18:42] <Riddell> jtechidna: mm, right
[18:43] <jtechidna> we could tuck it in the existing toplevel notification KCM and a child KCM
[18:43] <apachelogger> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/D-Bus/Accessing_Interfaces#Asynchronous_Method_Calls_and_Signals
[18:43] <apachelogger> We even use the standard QObject::connect method! This is accomplished by QDBusInterface using Qt's meta object system to dynamically add the signals the D-Bus interface advertises. Very slick!
[18:44] <apachelogger> tsimpson: maybe one has to do extra magic to get that going?
[18:45] <jtechidna> You know, KDE already has extensive settings for controlling notifications.
[18:46] <jtechidna> It would probably be feasible to just use the current controls in the Notifications module
[18:46]  * apachelogger aint got no idea what jtechidna is talking about :P
[18:46] <apachelogger> I am working on applet <-> daemon interaction
[18:46] <jtechidna> System Settings -> Notifications. You could modify notification settings for Kubuntu Notification Helper from there
[18:47] <apachelogger> ah
[18:47] <jtechidna> Sorry to switch subjects like that :)
[18:47] <apachelogger> jtechidna: I am not sure that is easy to manipulate from outside the kcm
[18:47] <apachelogger> also
[18:47] <apachelogger> AS A C DEVELOPER I am against that :P
[18:48] <apachelogger> if we do it independent from knotify we might save a few bytes here and there
[18:48] <apachelogger> since we can abort event creation AND/OR prevent kdirwatching
[18:49] <jtechidna> It's a tradeoff between a few bytes and using the existing architecture, if we can use it a tall.
[18:49] <jtechidna> *at all
[18:49] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you are a C developer? Shame on you, not adequate for the 21st century anymore :)
[18:52] <apachelogger> well, I always was obsessed with performance, and C embrassed that obsession :D
[18:52] <apachelogger> jtechidna: that is not the existig architecture
[18:52] <apachelogger> jtechidna: for how the event stuff was designed there is no existing architecture
[18:52] <apachelogger> which is exactly using as little resources as possible
[18:53] <apachelogger> which requires that events do not get created when not needed and that dirs are not watched when not needed
[18:53] <tsimpson> most of the time I see QDBusInterface being used in kdelibs is just for call()
[18:53] <tsimpson> even solid/solid/backends/hal/haldevice.cpp uses .connection().connect()
[18:53] <apachelogger> tsimpson: well, I need to listen :D
[18:54] <apachelogger> well, lets go with connection connect then!
[18:54] <apachelogger> though
[18:55] <apachelogger> it seems somehow recursive, since that approach defines the interfacy twice
[18:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: bug 484802 uploaded, hopefully it'll get approved soon for karmic-proposed then we need to test and it'll get moved to -updates
[18:56] <Riddell> Quintasan: can you add a test case to the bug too?  "start app, it complains.  install update, start app, it doesn't"
[18:56] <Riddell> something like that
[19:02] <apachelogger> tsimpson: I tell you the documentation on qt dbus is one big PITA
[19:03]  * apachelogger aint got no clue how to make that work with arguments
[19:03] <tsimpson> have you read http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.5/intro-to-dbus.html (completely useless)
[19:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: should I add it as a comment? I can't find any link to edit the bug description :/
[19:06] <jtechidna> Time to go home; be back in a bit.
[19:06] <apachelogger> tsimpson: I noticed its uselessness and did not read it :P
[19:07] <apachelogger> there isnt even a freaking reference example
[19:07]  * apachelogger wouldnt care about the documentation if there was at least some example code
[19:07] <tsimpson> yeah, a noticeable absence of examples
[19:08] <tsimpson> maybe the Qt devs don't even know how to use QtDBus...
[19:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: comment is fine
[19:09] <apachelogger> tsimpson: lol
[19:11] <Quintasan> oh, that would be huge failure :D
[19:12] <apachelogger> tsimpson: maybe the connection.connect stuff only works because it does not fiddle with arguments
[19:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: done, should I do something else?
[19:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: just for it to be approved then find someone to test it
[19:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: probably won't get approved until next week, UDS being on this week
[19:14] <tsimpson> apachelogger: there is an overloaded connect() which accepts a "signature"
[19:14] <tsimpson> I'm guessing that's in dbus format
[19:15] <Riddell> jussi01: please unsilence ubotu now in -stanford
[19:19] <apachelogger> tsimpson: what would a signature be?
[19:20] <tsimpson> apachelogger: you can usually see it with introspection
[19:21] <apachelogger> <arg type="v" name="path" />
[19:21] <apachelogger> that translates to a QDBusVariant but oh well
[19:22] <tsimpson> so the signature is "v" *I think*
[19:23]  * apachelogger shall blog about good documentation soonish
[19:24]  * apachelogger also doesnt find it funny how often the ubuntuone auth stuff runs into segfault
[19:24] <apachelogger> tsimpson: no luck with "v"
[19:25] <apachelogger> same result as with non connection.connect (i.e. no result at all)
[19:25] <apachelogger> if it even was whining or somethin :|
[19:32]  * tsimpson has no idea
[19:33] <apachelogger> well
[19:33] <apachelogger> I blame it all on that variant junk
[19:35] <Tm_T> 2135.16 < CIA-45> mueller * r1052100 kjs/branches/KDE/4.3/kdelibs/kjs/dtoa.cpp: fix array overrun (CVE-2009-0689)
[19:40] <tsimpson> CVE-2009-0689
[19:40] <tsimpson> good bot
[19:41] <Tm_T> also that went to 3.5
[19:41] <Tm_T> (and other 4.x branches)
[19:43] <Tm_T> tsimpson: oh, interesting, so that shouldn't affect us
[19:43] <tsimpson> apparently not
[19:53] <apachelogger> tsimpson, Riddell: if someone wants to poke at the dbus stuff http://gitorious.org/ubuntuone-client-kde/ubuntuone-client-kde I add a README that should (I think) describe all the steps necessary to get the prototype going
[19:55] <apachelogger> oh right
[19:55] <apachelogger> tsimpson: http://gitorious.org/ubuntuone-client-kde/ubuntuone-client-kde/blobs/master/src/ubuntuoneapplication.cpp
[19:55] <apachelogger> line 34
[19:55] <apachelogger> connect actually works
[19:55] <apachelogger> so that supports my theory that something about the qdbusvariant is ugly
[19:56] <tsimpson> strange
[19:57] <apachelogger> very much so
[19:57] <apachelogger> anyhow, if we can get the variant sorted, we just need to implement the auth
[20:03] <Quintasan> "Jest git" would mean "It's great" in
[20:03] <Quintasan> polish
[20:03] <Quintasan> so Git is great :P
[20:04] <ScottK> Git is greatly complex
[20:05] <Riddell> ScottK: LucidNetbookPackaging updated, slight changes to Code Changes and Migration
[20:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Looking
[20:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Love it. Thanks.
[20:35] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: a GMCS? :D I'm an ABH2
[20:37] <nixternal> aviation boatswain's mate right?
[20:38] <nixternal> yup, GMCS, though I still say GMGCS as I am an old school gunner
[20:38] <nixternal> I specialize in Guns and not Missiles
[20:38] <DarkwingDuck> Yes. I worked Crash and Smash on the carrier when I was there.
[20:38] <nixternal> oh fun...what are you doing down in san dog? attached to a squadron/ship?
[20:39] <nixternal> I was stationed there in coranado for 6 months way back when
[20:40] <DarkwingDuck> Oh sweet, thats where I work now. I live in the point loma area
[20:40] <nixternal> nice...you work in seal beach?
[20:40] <nixternal> or just the main san dog base?
[20:42] <DarkwingDuck> I work for the command structure. So I have work on all 8 installations that fall under NB Coronado
[20:42] <nixternal> nice
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> to include San Clemente Island
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> Hey, a couple of things I wanted to talk to you about.
[20:43] <nixternal> go for it
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> The structure of the docs going into Lucid
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> How did you want to change it?
[20:44] <DarkwingDuck> or, rather it changed
[20:44] <nixternal> the structure will be similar to what it is now...instead of docs it will be topics....I am thinking for netbook, maybe we add a netbook directory in the root of kubuntu-docs
[20:45] <DarkwingDuck> *nods* that sounds good. Because it built off the main system I'll just have to write docs for interface changes
[20:46] <DarkwingDuck> Also, that e-mail you sent out brought up a question. Do we currently have any translators working on the docs?>
[20:47] <nixternal> just the various translation teams in LP...when we commit a new set of docs, all of the translators get an email letting them know...and they go and translate as necessary
[20:47] <jjesse> nixternal: we would need to add DarkwingDuck to ubuntu-core-doc to get him commit writes to kubuntu-docs
[20:47] <jjesse> i was thinking of almost junking the whole lp:kubuntu-docs branch and sort of starting from scratch
[20:47] <nixternal> that's what I am doing now
[20:48] <nixternal> just a replacement...of course not junking so we don't lose commit logs
[20:52] <DarkwingDuck> heh, one of these days I'll get around to putting together my membership package :s
[20:57]  * apachelogger is wondering whether tsimpson can get one of the certified qt developers to checkout the problem :P
[20:58] <neversfelde> bug 486030 needs a review, it is my first merge, so I am not really shure, if I did all right
[21:03] <ulysses__> jjesse: what do you think about bug 460352?
[21:06] <jjesse> ulysses__ sorry i don't know much about translations
[21:07] <ulysses__> so they aren't neccessary in the kubuntu-docs package?
[21:10] <Quintasan> omfg, I have fixed packagekit for Shaman2 :O
[21:16] <jussi01> Quintasan: o.O
[21:16] <jussi01> Quintasan: you "fixed" packagekit?
[21:16] <jussi01> o.O
[21:18] <Quintasan> no :D
[21:18] <Quintasan> there is Shaman2 in playground laying with broken PackageKit support
[21:19] <Quintasan> The change was very trivial, but it still reports errors with dbus, at least it compiles
[21:19] <Quintasan> after "fix" OFC
[21:26]  * apachelogger notes that dbus is the more important part :P
[21:26] <neversfelde> mhh, better not use debcommit after a merge :)
[21:28] <apachelogger> better merge from debian's packaging repo :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> will make the log look nicy
[21:30] <ulysses__> jjesse: you don't have to know much about translations, you must put them into the kubuntu-docs, and *not* in Lucid, *now*, in Karmic
[21:32] <apachelogger> nixternal is in my google reader \o/
[21:33] <nixternal> what did I do?
[21:33] <apachelogger> get intervud
[21:33] <nixternal> ahhh
[21:33] <DarkwingDuck> hey nixternal have you seen the new Navy uniforms?
[21:34] <nixternal> no I haven't
[21:34] <nixternal> omg
[21:34] <nixternal> looking now
[21:34] <nixternal> welcome to the coast guard
[21:35] <nixternal> interesting...the new women's uniform looks like the old maturnity uniform
[21:35] <nixternal> ie. shirt untucked, no gig line
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> The Blue cammies? We look like Jungle Smurfs
[21:35] <nixternal> rofl
[21:36] <nixternal> oh wow, they look super silly
[21:36] <nixternal> but I guess you blend in with the water now when you fall in :)
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> And I have a khaki shirt :/
[21:36] <nixternal> man overboard!
[21:36] <nixternal> where is he?
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> NO kidding
[21:36] <nixternal> optional "no-shine" boot
[21:36] <nixternal> wow, the navy has gotten lazy
[21:37] <apachelogger> lazyness is the key to true enlightenment
[21:37] <DarkwingDuck> I will NEVER wear the scuffed boot.
[21:38] <apachelogger> look at me, I am all enlightened due to all the lights in my room, yet I am also all lazy
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yeah, and they are 115 bucks a set
[21:39] <nixternal> so do <e7 wear khakis now?
[21:39] <nixternal> ahh, at least the dress whites are still bell-bottomed
[21:39] <DarkwingDuck> Yes. Or Cammies
[21:39] <nixternal> I still wear my old dungarees..real pants...jeans with sweet bell bottoms
[21:40] <nixternal> and the flat pockets
[21:40] <DarkwingDuck> Yup! and there are still a god awful load of buttons on the blues
[21:40] <nixternal> there will always be the god awful load of buttons :)
[21:40] <DarkwingDuck> And that really sucks if you need quick access
[21:40] <nixternal> you gotta learn how to do it man
[21:41] <nixternal> you don't replace the button backs with velcro?
[21:41] <nixternal> leave one button good, the rest are velcro
[21:41] <nixternal> except for inspection of course
[21:41] <DarkwingDuck> yup yup
[21:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: lol
[21:41] <DarkwingDuck> i do... till senior checks
[21:41]  * apachelogger falls over
[21:41] <apachelogger> wah
[21:41] <apachelogger> what did I do?
[21:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sometime I think you should be out masccot
[21:42] <apachelogger> just imagine
[21:42] <apachelogger> what a life that would be
[21:42]  * apachelogger could certainly be a mascot
[21:42] <apachelogger> but for the time being I better go out and do some socializing before I drown in all them fancy C code here
[21:42] <Quintasan> masKot
[21:42] <Quintasan> :3
[21:43] <nixternal> i got out in 2008, i don't ever remember this new uniform stuff
[21:43] <nixternal> ahh, summer of 2008 is when it started
[21:43]  * apachelogger puts on his darth vader costume and goes out for some socializing
[21:43] <nixternal> right when I got out
[21:44] <DarkwingDuck> You retire?
[21:44] <nixternal> yes
[21:44] <nixternal> 35 years old :)
[21:45] <DarkwingDuck> How long did you do?
[21:45] <nixternal> retired after 18 years in from the reserves, so I don't get to touch any money for another 30 years :)
[21:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm in you branch, merging your code :3
[21:45] <nixternal> it was useless for me to stay in for 2 more as I maxed out on points and I was never going to make MC in the reserves
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> ahh reserves?
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> You do any Active time?
[21:46] <nixternal> yeah, I got booted off active duty in 1998 after Clinton closed the GMG and GMM ratings into a general GM rating
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh Dang
[21:47] <nixternal> I could have stayed active duty if I wanted to switch rates to a Sea Bee
[21:47] <nixternal> did 7 years active duty
[21:47] <nixternal> if I would have hit the 10 year mark, I would have been golden...but I was in the half-way spot w/o tenure
[21:48] <nixternal> looking at the pics on navy.mil of the Maersk deal...the maersk captain is shaking the hand of one of my old GM's that worked for me, GM3 Schwoops, and right next to him is GM3 Drinkwater
[21:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what code? what branch?
[21:48] <nixternal> that is cool as hell, though I am guessing they are at least GM2's now
[21:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ubuntuone-client-kde
[21:49]  * apachelogger is producing like 500 sloc in like 3 different languages per day.. hard to keep track
[21:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ah, go fix the dbus!
[21:49] <apachelogger> dbus dbus dbus!
[21:49] <Quintasan> I wanted a Dropbox client but I don't give a damn what I use as long as it works
[21:49]  * apachelogger suddenly disappears
[21:49] <Quintasan> I'm no good at coding, I can only break your code :O
[21:50] <DarkwingDuck> I'm up for First in March
[21:51] <nixternal> I was given 3rd out of a school, made 2nd my first time, made 1st my first time, got busted dating a marine officer, got busted down to 2nd, then made 1st again just a few months later
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> Heh. Was an E-1 out of school. Made 3rd first up. the first 4 times I took 2nd it was mathematically impossible to advance.
[21:52] <nixternal> how many points are you taking into your e6 exam?
[21:52] <nixternal> if they even do points still
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> Um, 2 NAMs, 3 FLOCs and 2 Good Conducts... 15?
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> they don't do point for warfare devices anymore
[21:53] <nixternal> good deal...how overmanned is ABH these days?
[21:54] <DarkwingDuck> ROFLMAO Really bad
[21:54] <nixternal> ya, 15 sounds a bit low then :)
[21:54] <DarkwingDuck> I think last march they advanced 2%
[21:54] <nixternal> I was stationed at the ABH heaven after my first 6 sea tours, Patuxent River, MD
[21:55] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe I did 65 months on the USS Ronald Reagan
[21:56] <nixternal> I was lucky, I stayed on my same ship for 6 years... DDG 993 USS Kidd
[21:56] <nixternal> I got to go back and do decom on it as I was one of its longest lasting visitors :)
[21:56] <nixternal> the gun mount in the museum has my name on it which is really cool....forward mk45 is all mine!
[21:57] <nixternal> so now, unless the Chinese fill in the marks, my name is all over their ship :)
[21:58] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I'm a plank owner for her. That is sweet
[22:36] <DarkwingDuck> [14:08:50] <ulysses__> can somebody do something with this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/460352
[22:36] <DarkwingDuck> [14:08:52] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 460352 in ubuntu-translations "Please update kubuntu-docs translation templates in Launchpad" [High,Confirmed]
[22:57] <fale> Hi
[23:10] <loadus> Riddell: Are you busy?
[23:11] <loadus> I was looking for the full list of KDE icon names, and the funky infopage said to ask from you for an URL to the list :)
[23:12] <ScottK> Anyone using Quassel with postgresql?
[23:13] <fale> loadus: guess Riddell is ide ;)
[23:13] <loadus> aye, well, it's not horribly important ...
[23:16] <DarkwingDuck> Quassel yes. postresql, I don't think I am
[23:16] <ScottK> If you didn't set it up, you aren't using postgresql
[23:24] <tsimpson> ScottK: jussi01 does
[23:24] <jussi01> ScottK: I am, yes
[23:24] <ScottK> jussi01: Could you do us a HowTo on switching?
[23:25] <ScottK> jussi01: I find http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/projects/quassel-irc/wiki/PostgreSQL is very Gentoo specific and we need one that'll work for our users.
[23:25] <jussi01> ScottK: definately not. I have no idea, it was too long ago and egs had to ssh into my box and fix everything...
[23:25] <ScottK> OK.
[23:25] <ScottK> Anyone else?
[23:26] <jussi01> ScottK: I might be able to, but at the moment I cant even contemplate anything... cmon, youve seen me today...
[23:26] <ScottK> jussi01: Certainly.  Not a rush item.
[23:27] <nixternal> ScottK: when I tried quassel I believe I used postgresql instead of mysql...there are docs out there already to do that though
[23:27] <ScottK> nixternal: Probably not since Quassel doesn't have a mysql back end.
[23:28] <nixternal> well whatever the default isn't then
[23:28] <nixternal> err, is I meant
[23:28] <ScottK> sqlite
[23:28]  * nixternal doesn't use gui stuff :p
[23:32] <ScottK> Riddell: I updated the kubuntu-netbook spec a bit (added another upgrade issue).  I think it's ready for approval (please set priority too).
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger, smarter: Heads up, I moved some files around/modified the buildsystem of knh. You'll probably have to make clean/make
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> also, KCM stub