[00:01] dpm: sorry I missed it...I will go over the backlog and gobby docs later tonight [00:03] nixternal, no worries, thanks for coming back to me. We'll be posting the outcome to ubuntu-doc@ as well [00:06] groovy...I had that marked to make but I had to give my old man a ride since my mom is driving his vehicle right now === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [02:10] evening [02:11] i see nixternal has posted some about kubuntu docs :) looks like he is up to stiring up trouble again [02:12] hey jjesse [02:23] hey DarkwingDuck [02:31] Okay, I think ive about got my feet under me with XML again... [02:31] what do you use for an editor? just Kate? [02:31] yeah [02:32] or nano [02:32] :) [02:32] Got ya... and is it just you and Nix for doc guys? [02:33] Well, once I get more comfy me too [02:36] hrmm [02:36] yes DarkwingDuck [02:39] kk [02:44] did you get my note about yes you can send it to me and nixternal [02:46] missed that one. [02:47] You think it would be better for me to change the current kubuntu-docs to reflect the kubuntu-netbook-doc changes? [02:48] better/simpler [02:48] Because alot of it is the same just the GUI and a few other minor changes. [02:48] yes i think so [02:48] instead of writing everything from scratch [02:49] *nods* [02:50] is there any documentation on the folder structure of documentation? [02:50] To learn? :) [02:50] umm not yet [02:51] So, no real standard? [02:51] yeah and that's the problem that nixternal sent to the kubuntu-devel mailing list [02:51] aobut rewriting for scrach for lucid [02:52] I would like to be a part of that. [02:52] do you read kubuntu-devel [02:52] he sent an email earlier [02:52] I'm signing up now [02:53] ok [02:53] I'll also send out a introduction email that I will be working with you and nixternal with the doc side of kubuntu along with the netbook stuff [02:53] cool [02:54] :) Thanks [02:55] launchpad mailing list right? I have to be added... [02:55] the kubuntu-devel class [02:55] mailing list i meant [02:56] it might be on lists.ubuntu.com ?? [02:57] i'm looking lol [03:00] okay, found it. [03:01] yay look in the list archives from earlier today [03:01] and subscribed [03:01] haven't read the discussion myself yet [03:01] nixternal, jjesse: Will help.kubuntu.org get done for lucid? [03:03] ryanakca i sure hope so, hopefully with the way nixternal is suggesting rewriting these [03:06] jjesse: eh, not that deep with the thread... [03:12] oh ok [03:13] * jjesse walks dog and then heds to bed [03:16] Night jjesse [04:58] ryanakca: yes for Lucid and h.k.o..... h.k.o would have been useless now, as the docs are in bad shape....with the new setup we are looking at, I will make sure to build the h.k.o stuff right into the Makefile from the beginning [05:18] nixternal: You're back :) [05:18] I wanted to talk to you about the docs and Lucid === justin__ is now known as spridel === spridel is now known as register === register is now known as spridel [05:31] nixternal: ping [05:35] pong [05:45] *grumbles* [05:45] Okay, I'll have to email you nixternal [05:46] night [06:33] morning [06:34] how can I mark a package in such a way that apt-get will ignore it for upgrading? [06:34] say I made it myself and don't want it changed [09:11] ehlo :) [09:16] hi ghostcube [09:17] whatcu upto? [09:19] whatcu upto? [09:21] * apachelogger jumps in, in his darth vader costume and goes into heavy breathing mode [09:22] markey: you can pin it [09:22] * apachelogger thinks there should be a gui for that really [09:22] pin what? [09:23] aaah [09:23] the package [09:23] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto [09:23] thanks :) [09:23] oh, synaptic actually can do that [09:23] synaptic.. gtk... [09:23] I use aptitude from konsole, mostly [09:23] lovely tool [09:24] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Apt/Dpkg [09:24] thx [09:24] cli way of pinning seems good enough too :) [09:24] * apachelogger finds it weird that aptitude doesnt have it built in though [09:24] heh [09:24] "echo libxfont1 hold | dpkg --set-selections" [09:25] that is a strange way to pipe the commands [09:25] is that really needed? :) [09:25] *Shrug* if the tutorial says so :P [09:26] nice, it worked [09:26] The following packages have been kept back: [09:26] metastore [09:26] thx :) [09:27] yw [09:28] btw, this metastore is really just a part of "etckeeper", and that is one hell of a cool tool [09:28] allows you to use Git for making backups [09:28] super easy :) [09:31] etckeeper is indeed superawesome [09:32] oha... google chrome os... with inferiority builtin :D [09:32] * apachelogger dances with gtk [09:32] apachelogger: have you tried etckeeper yourself? I've only built it last night, not yet really used [09:32] but it seems awesome [09:33] every server I setup gets etckeeper, not a lot, but yes I used it [09:34] * apachelogger got jamie oliver on his igoogle :D === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio === Tonio is now known as Tonio_ [09:43] hi amichair :) [09:44] * amichair is curious how the boys and gals here found their way to kubuntu... [09:45] amichair: you really don't want to know... [09:45] * Tm_T hides [09:46] why, how kinky does it get? :-) [09:47] ...and that's something I don't want to know [09:47] * markey always reads amichair as "armchair", for some reason :) [09:49] markey: hehe... I thought of that, that I would too, but I figured it can bring up a nice cozy feeling [09:50] actually a lot of irc nicks bring up conotations of somthing similar, but not quite [09:51] like echidna brings up memories of good Indian food for some reason (chetni maybe?) [09:53] but really, I'm cursious where the ppl leading kubuntu have their os/desktop/software background from, which influences their ways... [09:54] amichair: I got my first own pc in january 2004, installed netBSD in it, then Debian... [09:54] before that, I was using DOS/Windows from early nineties [09:54] pretty much because I had no other choices [09:55] so u switched at xp or so? [09:55] XP/2000 [09:55] * apachelogger is wondering why his kuniqueapplication insists on dying -.- [09:56] markey: nice blog post [09:56] oh and I have used OS/2 and BeOS variants too [09:56] and is it some rule of nature that chrome must have bloated source repos? [09:56] apachelogger: is, son [09:57] I started off with vic20,commodore64, when I got my first 8086 with dos, upgrading the windows path up to xp [09:58] I never used osx or tried any other linux I think, kubuntu was love at first sight :-) [09:58] seele: thanks :) [09:58] yu, I have silly memories with Memotech (:) [09:58] kubotu: do something!!! [09:59] but I only made the full switch about a year ago, until then it was dual boot, playing around here and there. oh at work I switched to kubuntu a year earlier, in a windows environment. it didn't play along perfectly, but good enough to get by [09:59] markey: blog? [09:59] amichair: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1132-Micro-Options,-Many-Options,-No-Options-A-practical-guide-to-help-you-decide..html [09:59] oi, it shorted the URL [10:00] if it doesn't work, click in "amarok blog" above [10:00] topmost article [10:00] it's ok, fixed as I copied [10:07] markey: very true [10:11] markey: how would one contact Celeste? [10:14] amichair: e.g. via kde-usability@kde.org [10:14] mailing list [10:14] amichair: or, by talking to seele here, who happens to be the same person ;) [10:15] oh! how convenient :-) [10:27] seele: hello there :-) [10:28] hm, chormium works again with Flash and Javascript, I just had to restart it... *ashamed* [10:28] but another issue: what could be causing an USB hub not to work on Kubuntu (besides the hub being broken) ? [10:29] with HAL freaking out completely, keyboard not being responsive anymore, etc [10:29] unplugging that hub solved the HAL problem, but could this be a non-loaded usb module? [10:29] that thing is brand new [10:52] nah [10:52] brand new, but still borked :) [10:52] it can happen [11:03] markey: it might be worth updating bios and running memtest too when hardware flakiness is involved [11:03] oops, that was for Mamarok :-) [11:05] amichair: happens on two computers, so we can rule this out [11:05] completely different computers in fact [12:32] nixternal: Great :) [12:50] hi [12:51] will there be a Kubuntu Lucid Webbrowser blueprint? [12:52] EagleScreen: I hope so [12:53] I was watching Bug #396309 and I asked it [12:53] Launchpad bug 396309 in rekonq "Use Rekonq in place of Arora as Kubuntu default web browser. [wishlist]" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396309 [13:02] With packages in here https://launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde; kcm-gtk, PlasmaNotify Add-on and apturl-kde, Firefox is ready to become the default web browser in Kubuntu. [13:07] Another choice could be Rekonq, 0.3 version seems to be good [13:11] EagleScreen: ... [13:12] ... [13:12] EagleScreen: hmm, willing to set up wikipage to collect information about different browsers? [13:12] for example what they support in KDE and what they require [13:13] and how well those browsers work in modern sites [13:13] EagleScreen: I can provide some data for this comparison then [13:14] good idea [13:14] EagleScreen: but I afraid Firefox cannot be default browser in any near future [13:14] it can be included in comparison though [13:20] can you explain why you reject Firefox, Tm_T? [13:21] * Sput hopes rekonq gains adblock soon [13:21] the developer seems to be interested [13:22] EagleScreen: space in CD [13:24] if we put FF (and all the stuff it needs) on our CD, we'd need to remove lots of other software [13:24] so until there's a way to build it without GTK, we can't include it [13:25] well, GTK and the other stuff it needs [13:41] hum [13:42] auth implementing for ubuntuone is of course done in python [13:42] looks like I have to digg into python's c api after all -.- [13:47] FF does not need much gtk stuff to run, but it may be to build [13:48] is it necessary to include build-deps for each package in the CD? [13:48] either that or you are wrong when saying that Mozilla Firefox does not need much gtk [13:49] is there anything else we can trade FF for on the cd? it just seems to me that FF is probably the #1 used app on desktops (except for IE maybe:-) ) - it's not too friendly to not have it built in [13:49] though in fact you are right, but yet you are wrong [13:49] Mozilla Firefox needs loads and loads and loads of libs to get somewhat decent desktop intregation [13:50] it would make sense to remove 10 components that 1% of ppl use, for FF which many many use - the expected value of built-in usefulness will still be much higher [13:51] if there was only a way... [13:55] Amarok, for instance, depends on libgtk2.0 === manny__ is now known as mannyv [13:58] I think that Firefox and its packages has a weight of around 10 MB, apachelogger [13:59] whatever [13:59] pointless discussion [14:00] it is not going to get on the CD [14:00] end of discussion [14:01] ok, but, at least, keep the installer in the menu, and upload the integration stuff to repository, if possible: https://launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/firefox-kde AND PlasmaNotify Add-on [14:03] <\sh> apachelogger, code kubuntuone in python with PyQt + PyKDE [14:04] \sh: a) python is a pain in the arse b) pykde is even more of a pain in the arse c) I can not get fancy new systray in 4.3 with pykde [14:05] also from a performance POV coding that kind of stuff in python is a kind of bad idea as we have seen with update-notifier-kde [14:05] <\sh> apachelogger, bah...who needs a systray [14:05] well [14:05] then there is even less justification for using python [14:05] and even more for having the autentification handled by the applet [14:06] <\sh> apachelogger, is it using openid, btw? never checked the client source of uone [14:06] the FF thing makes me wonder... is gaining market share one of the stated kubuntu goals? if not, there's no issue there I guess [14:07] <\sh> amichair, what has FF to do with Kubuntu gaining market share? if you want market share, take chromium or whatever [14:08] \sh: oauth [14:08] but since ubuntuone == openid forward to launchpad... [14:10] \sh: a large percent of windows users (most of the market who's share we might want) use or know FF. it's an easy and comfortable switch, much lower barrier to entry. especially since a browser is the most used desktop app... that's my take on it, anyway :-) [14:11] amichair: but as I have learnt, many users don't know what browser they are using (so it doesn't matter as long as it works) and those who do know, has no trouble installing it in current way [14:11] <\sh> amichair, tbh, I'm normally a fan of KDE, but regarding windows user, they do much better with gnome, or mac os x, right now, then with KDE...KUbuntu could help to ease things on KDE when desktop integration is done in a nice way, but right now, KDE is too complicated for the standard windows user [14:12] <\sh> most windows user don't even know what "multiple desktops" are... [14:12] <\sh> apachelogger, did you had a look on liboauth? [14:12] <\sh> s/had/have/ [14:13] <\sh> apachelogger, http://liboauth.sourceforge.net/index.html [14:13] \sh: nope, I am trying to avoid rewriting the auth process :) [14:13] since there is a perfectly fine implementation, just that it is done in python which makes calling it a bit difficult === bdefreese3 is now known as bdefreese === bdefreese is now known as bddebian [14:15] \sh: that brings us back to the previous question, of whether we want those users to come to kubuntu (and make sure they want to stay), or send them off to ubuntu first... [14:17] <\sh> amichair, let's do some good desktop integration thingies first in Kubuntu...which is hard enough, and then we can think about user catching...anyways it's a problem since kubuntu was invented [14:17] \sh: it's true they know nothing of multiple desktops, but why does that matter? if they enjoy kubuntu without using desktops, is that bad? [14:18] at least KDE 4.4 seems to gain support for PulseAudio [14:18] \sh: ok, that's a good answer. it's ok if market share is not currently one of the goals. [14:18] that stuff was merged in today [14:18] Sput: where what stuff? [14:19] Tm_T: phonon support for pulseaudio [14:19] Sput: hmm, ah, that commit(s) [14:19] <\sh> amichair, anyways...we have a good userbase in europe...the problem is always America (which is redhat country and novell == gnome) and asia (which is also more a redhat area) [14:20] \sh: I was not aware of that... interesting [14:20] <\sh> amichair, talking about KDE in general, not kubuntu ( I don't know any numbers of downloads or whatever) [14:22] \sh: I think it would be a good idea in any case to define who the target audience is - users of other distros, of other OSs, ppl who like KDE elsewhere, ppl who never tried KDE, advanced users, first-time users (netbooks?)... [14:23] all of those [14:23] we are taking over the whole world if you haven't noticed (;) [14:23] Tm_T: oh, great :-) to work then! :-D [14:24] <\sh> I really wonder, how many people in the US or Asia are using opensuse at all...it's also a german /european phenomenon...I would also like to know the reason for opensuse to switch from gnome by default to kde by default [14:25] \sh: according to popcorn, 150K kubuntu-desktops installed, for what it's worth :-) [14:25] <\sh> if it was just "our european userbase didn't want to have gnome" [14:25] \sh: I believe there were some poll [14:26] \sh: when's a good time to give you a call? [14:26] when KDE won, they tried to ignore it, people got rage ... [14:26] <\sh> amichair, vs. 975314 installs of ubuntu-desktop ;) [14:26] mmmm.... popcorn... [14:29] but far too few kubuntu-netbooks :-( [14:29] shame that doesn't tell the whole truth [14:30] Tm_T: good statistics are hard to come by :( [14:30] <\sh> oh we just need a method to phone home ;) [14:30] <\sh> but if we would do that, we would be the steak on a winter barbecue [14:31] mmmm.... steak..... [14:31] oh interesting, Canonical does work for ChromiumOS? [14:31] <\sh> Sput, where did you read that? [14:31] http://blog.canonical.com/?p=294 [14:31] yeah i thought that was interest [14:32] <\sh> Sput, ach ...old news ,) rumours were telling always that google is using a special ubuntu version on their servers and desktops whatever [14:57] amichair: We set the target audience in the meeting the other day, look here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidWebsiteMarketingBranding [14:59] If someone with packaging experience has time and interest, could they simultaneously help me with a package split and test Kobby (I can fire up an infinoted and we can do it over it). [15:02] ryanakca: thanks for the link [15:41] <\sh> Sput, still online ? [15:42] <\sh> Sput, what about today? we could get a lift by Mr. Vaporup ;) [15:49] Quintasan1: what was the status of the parley SRU? [15:50] \sh: ok :) === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan [15:53] Riddell: I have subscribed SRU team on LP but no response [15:53] Should I poke on #ubuntu-motu? [15:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/484802 [15:53] Launchpad bug 484802 in ubuntu "SRU: Parley fails to initialize Python scripts" [Undecided,New] [15:53] DarkwingDuck: hehe, I went to bed right after I said that last night :) [15:53] I am getting to old...going to bed all early and stuff :) [15:59] Quintasan: hmm, those aren't minimal debdiffs [15:59] Quintasan: I think you're diffing lucid to karmic? [16:00] Quintasan: first thing is to get the fix into lucid, could you commit the change to kdeedu bzr packaging? [16:00] Quintasan: next we need minimal debdiffs for karmic, so grab the package from karmic, make only the Recommends change and changelog then do a debdiff [16:01] same for PPA [16:03] ahh ,okay [16:14] DarkwingDuck: I didn't know you were a squid did I? Sr. Cheif Gunner's Mate here :) [16:17] Riddell: commited to BZR [16:19] +DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS += -DEXPERIMENTAL_PYTHON_BINDINGS=true [16:19] Quintasan: what is that change for? [16:21] Quintasan: please revert that change, also 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1 hasn't been uploaded so no need for a new changelog version, just add your entires to the changelog for 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu1 under [Your Name] [16:26] Riddell: about that DEXPERIMENTAL thing, I didn't change that line :/ [16:29] Quintasan: bzr diff says differently :) [16:30] EagleScreen: afaik the PlasmaNotify extension is useless when you use firefox with the KDE patch [16:31] urgh, damn it, I suck at bzr [16:33] debfx: is it integrated in the kde patch? [16:33] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/f3b69a92 -> bzr diff and rules are even not touched, I hope this is right [16:35] Quintasan: that's good [16:35] Quintasan: I'd replaces "they are [16:35] + broked" [16:35] with "it does not work" [16:37] EagleScreen: yeah, it displays a knotification popup when a download finished [16:38] i will check it [16:41] Riddell: about reverting, I would do bzr revert [files] then make changes and push them once again? [16:42] Quintasan: I wouldn't do any reverting, I'd just make the changes and commit/push [16:43] Riddell: just asking for future :P [16:44] yeah I guess so [16:45] Riddell: fixed now, everything should be fine [16:47] Quintasan: hmm, maybe that DEXPERIMENTAL_PYTHON_BINDINGS issue was something on my local checkout [16:47] Quintasan: I'll review this merge now and upload, if you can do the minimal diffs for karmic and karmic PPA versions [16:48] if anyone sees agateau please send him my way (in grand ballroom) [16:48] uhh sure, will get to it when Ill finish downloading ChromeOS source :P [16:49] debfx: i do not see any notification after PlasmaNotify uninstalled [16:50] debfx: I remember that in Suse i need to install it to have KDE notifications [16:52] EagleScreen: the kde integration patch has the code to display the notification and it works for me [16:53] does it work with a fresh profile? [16:53] for me, no notification (neither, Firefox or Knotify) after installing and uninstalling PlasmaNotify Add-on [16:55] I had plasma notifications from firefox using debfx's packages [16:56] debfx: we had a session with asac and calc on firefox and they seem happy and keen to have the patches in lucid's firefox, are you interested in helping with that? [16:58] Plasma notifications are working in a fresh profile, so it seems that PlasmaNotify installation break FF notification system with KDE patches [16:58] Riddell: yes sure, I'd be happy to help [17:01] debfx: I think there's some changes asac wanted to make or investigate to the patches, I'm hoping he'll write a spec for it [17:10] EagleScreen: I think you need to set browser.download.manager.showAlertOnComplete to true [17:11] http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-kubuntu-9.10 - woot, HowtoForge has us under 'The Perfect Desktop' this go round! \o/ === ruphy_ is now known as ruphy [17:11] * apachelogger goes after qdbus with a bigish knife [17:15] hehe [17:15] qdbus is nice [17:15] qdbus --system baby! [17:16] Riddell: ping [17:16] nixternal: nah nah the qt qtdbus dbus [17:16] !!! [17:16] does wanna listen to the poor ol ubuntuone daemon [17:17] oh, thought you meant the cli app [17:17] rgreening: worked out how to play videos yet? [17:17] Ha-ha [17:17] nixternal: nah, though that one is stupid too [17:17] doesn't list half the methods [17:17] Riddell: well, maybe if I had a clean laptop to work from.... [17:17] there is also qdbusviewer gui if you don't want to keep throwing commands [17:17] rgreening: always blame the equipment.. [17:17] Riddell: where abouts are u? [17:18] haha [17:18] rgreening: grand ballroom [17:19] Oh, ok... I'll pop over in a bit. [17:19] Riddell: almost got the tp spec done... [17:21] aha [17:21] ohnoes [17:21] * apachelogger doesnt get that dbus foo -.- [17:24] well, what can I say, I don't get OOP :P [17:25] Quintasan: you know, if you smile first and say OOP its quite different... [17:26] POOP!!! [17:26] perl object oriented programming - way more fun! [17:26] yep [17:26] :) [17:26] I about fell out of my chair when I read that in my perl book the other day [17:26] perl [17:26] :S [17:26] mhhh [17:26] POOP [17:26] mhhh [17:26] :P OOP [17:26] Perl [17:26] procedural oop as well [17:26] hrrr [17:27] whu [17:27] LOOP - lisp object oriented programing [17:27] makes perfect sense [17:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/323515/ [17:28] why does the daemon not talk to me [17:28] oh why oh why [17:28] it aint speaking apacheloggerian :P [17:28] apachelogger: try learning demonic :3 [17:28] I event went for qt! [17:29] knowing that pyware would not be able to interpret apacheloggerian! [17:29] and yet it fails to talk to me! [17:30] * apachelogger notes that it is most likely an implementation problem though, since it works in qdbusviewer and dbus-monitor is also all verbose about sending round information [17:30] oh, nice set of apps [17:30] less -> more -> most [17:30] apachelogger: try asking in an ubuntu one channel maybe? [17:31] Riddell: the problem is on my side, I just dont know where [17:31] maybe scope related or something [17:31] though that would also be weird :S [17:44] anyhow [17:45] Riddell: once that dbus stuff is sorted, I expect that ubuntuone for KDE can be a straight forward implementation, since just about everything is done via dbus [17:48] Riddell: 4.3.2 debdiff is up on LP, dling 4.3.3 from PPA now [17:54] apachelogger: there's an ubuntu one guy here who says he's wanting to work with someone to get konqueror bookmark syncing with ubuntu one, should I put him in touch with you? [17:55] apachelogger: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/kdeui/notifications/knotificationmanager.cpp?view=markup makes me think you need a special connect() [17:55] (line 60) [17:57] To who should I report bugs in LP ui? [17:58] file them against the launchpad project [17:58] (in launchpad) [17:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug [18:00] ah, agateau [18:00] agateau: able to come to grand ballroom? I've some questions about this spec [18:01] Riddell: sorry, I am at IRC meeting with Aaron and marco [18:01] Riddell: in stanford (II) [18:02] agateau: whenever you're free then [18:04] agateau: can't be a very interesting session, kopete tells me you just signed onto facebook :) [18:04] hahahaha [18:06] Riddell: piing [18:07] where is the IRC meeting thats on now? [18:07] jussi01: stanford [18:07] shtylman_: pong [18:07] 2nd floor [18:08] shtylman_: wait, isnt it an IRC meeting? [18:08] Riddell: glad you were able to make it :) [18:08] jussi01: well...sorta [18:08] jussi01: IRC with the KDE upstream people [18:08] shtylman_: channel? [18:08] shtylman_: where are the upstreams hiding? [18:09] Tm_T: #ubuntu-uds-stanford and #ayatana [18:09] we don't know which... [18:09] shtylman_: ouch [18:09] Riddell: they are scared [18:10] discussion will be in #ubuntu-uds-stanford [18:12] Riddell: are you going to sing for us tonight? [18:12] what would you like me to sing? [18:12] we are the champions :) [18:13] Riddell: okay, two minimal debdiffs are up :) [18:13] * Quintasan votes for Admins Song [18:13] :) [18:13] haha [18:18] looking good Quintasan [18:19] only change I'll make is "0ubuntu2) karmic" should be "0ubuntu1.1) karmic-proposed" [18:20] hey, we are renaming KNE to KNR right? [18:20] s/are/aren't/ [18:22] yes [18:22] we are [18:22] we are renaming kubuntu netbook eidtion to netbook remix? [18:22] why? [18:22] UNR is now UNE [18:22] i though the propsoal was to rename UNR to UNE [18:23] they dropped the remix [18:23] * jjesse is confused [18:23] * nixternal too [18:23] UNR is now UNE, they have already started the changes [18:23] * jussi01 also... [18:24] * nixternal does not like KNR, as there is no remixing involved [18:24] its a special edition w/ plasma netbook [18:24] can we vote on this :) [18:24] seems we are to late :( [18:24] * maco raises hand for keeping KNE [18:24] did the KC vote on it? [18:24] the use of the word is not well defined, but we've been asked to call it a remix because it's not going to be commercially supported [18:24] ooh, pulled the KC card [18:25] if the use of the word is not well defined, then why did Ubuntu chose it over remix [18:25] i thought remix was "uses things not in main"? [18:25] nixternal: ubuntu is dropping it because it will be commercially supported [18:26] maco: it's not that clear [18:26] shouldn't this have been a KC decision? [18:26] nixternal: the trademark is owned by canonical, it's their say [18:26] alrighty then [18:27] nixternal: It's not a big deal I think. Not my preference, but nothing to go to war over. [18:27]