[00:02] <Riotta> micahg: could you help me
[00:02] <micahg> Riotta: I can try :)
[00:02] <Riotta> ok
[00:03] <Riotta> I expiriencing bug 441408, with some other ppl it has few duplicates, we tested this bug alot and got some conclusions most of the on the launchpad
[00:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 441408 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441408
[00:04] <Riotta> and I'm wondering if I can do some more to fix this bug or help fixing it (I'm not coder/developer tho)
[00:04] <Riotta> maybe you can change importance of this bug or point me which door should I knock
[00:04] <Riotta> :)
[00:07]  * micahg is looking
[00:10] <Riotta> I also talked to Ubuntu-X team they asked me to test bleeding edge packages of bug causing package which made it worse so I guess in Lucid it can be a showstopper for some ppl
[00:10] <micahg> Riotta: if you're already in touch with Ubuntu-x, I'd say report back to them
[00:11] <Riotta> well I'm not in touch they are like hmm not too much interested
[00:11] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:11] <micahg> xorg 20770
[00:11] <micahg> xorg bug 20770
[00:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 20770 in kdepim "kmail: kamil doesn't install after upgrade to kde 3.4.2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20770
[00:12] <micahg> freedesktop 20770
[00:12] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 20770 in Input/evdev "evdev causes uncontrollable mouse in some SDL apps" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20770
[00:12] <BUGabundo> micahg: you even found a typo :)))
[00:12] <BUGabundo> kamil :p
[00:12] <Riotta> micahg: thanks
[00:12] <micahg> Riotta: I'll add it to the bug
[00:13] <Riotta> love ya
[00:17] <Riotta> I will bug xorg team now
[00:17] <Riotta> lol
[00:19] <micahg> Riotta: I found the upstream bug, but I don't know what information is relevant, so if someone from the xorg team can update upstream with the important info, that would be good
[00:25] <Riotta> micahg: what you mean by important info?
[00:25] <Riotta> what do you need
[00:28] <micahg> Riotta: there should be enough in the bug
[00:28] <micahg> I just don't know what's relavaent
[00:28]  * micahg triages Firefox
[00:28] <Riotta> ok
[01:54] <Riotta> can someone triage bug 462501 with debian bug 549258 if that's possible
[01:54] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 462501 in libgnome "Missing icons in system menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462501
[01:54] <ubot4`> Debian bug 549258 in libgnome2-0 "libgnome2-0: Menu icons gone after upgrade to 2.28.0-1" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/549258
[01:55] <Riotta> thanks in advance and good night
[01:59] <micahg> for anyone here, bug 462501 is a dupe of bug 407621
[01:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 462501 in libgnome "Missing icons in system menu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/462501
[01:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "(design decision) Icons missing from context menu , dialogue buttons , firefox bookmark favicons, system menu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407621
[01:59]  * micahg already marked it as such
[02:03] <hggdh> micahg: sorry, I guess I overwrote what you did
[02:04] <hggdh> no, I did not. I just commented for nothing
[15:00] <blackxored>  what's the appropiate package to file a bug against the Appearance preferences, which has to do where you're using CCSM, there are no options marked in the visual effects tab, I recall that sometime ago (or maybe I'm wrong and that was in fedora), when you have customized your effects through ccsm, there is a marked option for ccsm or custom, or something like that?
 <blackxored> also the indicator applet doesn't shows pidgin on my system
[15:04] <blackxored> any clues?
[15:04] <blackxored> I will probably go after fixing the indicator applet one if someone can confirm it
[15:04] <yofel> blackxored: to add the option you need to install simple-ccsm iirc
[15:05] <blackxored> yofel, IMHO this should be more obvious
[15:06] <blackxored> I as an medium user and developer, I'm not that fan of desktop effects, but the obvious process is to go after compizconfig-settings-manager package
[15:07] <yofel> blackxored: yes, It took me quite a while to find the other one too
[15:07] <yofel> not sure how to improve that
[15:08] <yofel> maybe add a button to gnome-appearance-properties that allowes you to install simple-ccsm
[15:10] <yofel> blackxored: well anyway, to anwser your original question: gnome-appearance-properties is part of the gnome-control-center package
[15:13] <blackxored> yofel, or make compizconfig-settings-manager recommend simple-ccsm seems simpler
[15:14] <blackxored> yofel, but looking at the pkg's description that doesn't seem a good solution at all
[15:16] <yofel> well, I have no idea what would be better in this case
[15:16] <blackxored> where I can find the most common uploaders
[15:16] <blackxored> of both packages
[15:16] <blackxored> for discussing this
[15:16] <blackxored> ??
[15:16] <blackxored> also, pidgin isn't showing at indicator-applet
[15:22] <yofel> blackxored: you generally want to talk to the maintaner of ccsm and simple-ccsm
[15:22] <yofel> blackxored: that would be mvo. Ping him when he's online
[15:24] <yofel> blackxored: and did you first ask about the pidgin issue in #ubuntu? That's where support questions should be asked first.
[15:24] <blackxored> yofel, I'll ask again, although I did days ago
[15:24] <yofel> well, I'm a KDE user so I can't help you there
[15:54] <Riotta> hi
[15:54]  * WeatherGod waves
[15:56] <Riotta> can somebody triage bug 441408 with xorg bug 24737
[15:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 441408 in xorg-server "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441408
[15:56] <Riotta> thanks with advance
[15:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 24737 in gnome-applets "Keyboard indicator: Funky graphics" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24737
[15:56] <Riotta> it has patch release for fixing this bug
[15:58] <WeatherGod> Riotta, what more do you want for the xorg one?
[15:58] <WeatherGod> it is marked as Triaged and confirmed
[15:58] <Riotta> yeah but it's triaged with bug which has less relevant information
[15:59] <Riotta> and hasn't got a fix present
[15:59] <WeatherGod> ?
[15:59] <WeatherGod> "its triaged with bug which has less relevant information"?
[16:00] <Riotta> well I think if you will triage it with xorg bug 24737 it will be better than xorg bug 20770
[16:00] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 24737 in gnome-applets "Keyboard indicator: Funky graphics" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24737
[16:00] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 20770 in kdepim "kmail: kamil doesn't install after upgrade to kde 3.4.2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20770
[16:01] <Riotta> as it got more needed information for fixing the bug permanently
[16:01] <WeatherGod> if it is a dupe, then mark it as such, but you don't "triage it with" some other bug, I don't think
[16:02] <WeatherGod> I guess I am not understanding what is going on here... it is still pretty early in the morning for me
[16:02] <Riotta> yeah
[16:02] <Riotta> maybe I don't understand triaging
[16:03] <Riotta> tell me if that's right
[16:03] <WeatherGod> as far as I can tell, your job is done for those two bug reports
[16:04] <WeatherGod> you don't have to see bugs to their resolution most of the time
[16:04] <Riotta> I think micahg yesterday found on xorg bugzilla xorg bug 20770 which triaged with my bug
[16:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 20770 in kdepim "kmail: kamil doesn't install after upgrade to kde 3.4.2" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20770
[16:04] <Riotta> micahg Riotta: I found the upstream bug, but I don't know what information is relevant, so if someone from the xorg team can update upstream with the important info, that would be good
[16:04] <WeatherGod> oh, I think I now know what you are saying
[16:05] <WeatherGod> ok, don't say triaged in this sense
[16:05] <WeatherGod> it is linked upstream
[16:05] <WeatherGod> and when talking about upstream bugs, avoid doing the "bug #" thing, because the bots bring up the wrong bug report
[16:05] <Riotta> and today after some time of deep search I finally found the right xorg bug and I think it has more relevant info + working clean fix
[16:06] <Riotta> okay I keep that in mind
[16:06] <micahg> WeatherGod: the bot can pull upstream bugs if labeled properly
[16:06] <WeatherGod> ok, then use the Also affects project link and set it to another upstream bug report
[16:06] <micahg> like freedesktop 20770
[16:06] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 20770 in Input/evdev "evdev causes uncontrollable mouse in some SDL apps" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20770
[16:06] <WeatherGod> ah, cool
[16:06] <WeatherGod> good to know
[16:07] <Riotta> so dunno if you should re-triage this bug with https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24737 this one which I think is more relevant
[16:07] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 24737 in Input/evdev "Erratic mouse behavior using xf86-input-evdev-2.3.0" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[16:07] <WeatherGod> re-link!
[16:07] <Riotta> or re-link ye
[16:08] <WeatherGod> possibly
[16:09] <WeatherGod> what is the key difference?
[16:10] <Riotta> 20770 got less information in my eyes it's incomplete even
[16:11] <Riotta> and freedesktop 24737 has plenty of information + fix
[16:11] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 24737 in Input/evdev "Erratic mouse behavior using xf86-input-evdev-2.3.0" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24737
[16:11] <WeatherGod> well, the key thing to assess is if the bug is the same thing or not
[16:12] <WeatherGod> it is kind of like saying that a particular bug report dealing with lack of sound is better than another because it had more info
[16:12] <WeatherGod> the symptom could be caused differently
[16:12] <Riotta> they are the same just one is poorly filled
[16:12] <WeatherGod> are they?
[16:12] <Riotta> yeah
[16:14] <WeatherGod> the new bug report is explicitly against a particular brand of mouse
[16:14] <WeatherGod> A4Tech X-750F
[16:15] <WeatherGod> and the fix is against that mouse...
[16:15] <Riotta> bug 441408 is all about A4tech X7 mice
[16:15] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 441408 in xorg-server "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441408
[16:15] <WeatherGod> ah, then perfect
[16:16] <Riotta> and that other mice, trust and criminal are only rebranded a4tech's
[16:16] <WeatherGod> then yes, this would be appropriate to re-link this bug against that report
[16:16] <Riotta> so I think personally that it's better to link it it with that
[16:17] <WeatherGod> it also would probably be good to poke the other freedesktop bug to let them know of the possible dupe
[16:17] <Riotta> cool
[16:17]  * micahg is in a session right now, will look in 45 minutes
[16:17] <Riotta> yeah I agree
[16:18] <WeatherGod> Riotta, good catch
[16:44] <mac_v>  micahg: crap , my comment on copy paste bug is biting me in the ass! after 2 months :(
[16:57] <mac_v> hehe , seems the user Patrick is pretty pissed and is ranting on a couple of other bugs too... yay :)
[17:09] <mrand> Grrr... the duplicates meeting at noon is my last chance to attend a bug related session, and it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get away from the office.   Sorry that I'm going to miss you guys.
[17:19] <WeatherGod> I need a second opinion for bug 484141
[17:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484141 in linux "Wireless & Bluetooth on/off inconsistency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484141
[17:19] <WeatherGod> I think it is a hotkey issue, but not sure
[17:24] <WeatherGod> !info ganeti2
[17:24] <ubot4`> WeatherGod: Package ganeti2 does not exist in karmic
[17:24] <WeatherGod> !info ganeti
[17:24] <ubot4`> WeatherGod: ganeti (source: ganeti): Cluster-based virtualization management software. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.7-1 (karmic), package size 689 kB, installed size 1680 kB
[17:42] <Riotta> thanks micahg
[17:51] <micahg> np Riotta
[17:51] <micahg> thank you Riotta for finding the better upstream bug :)
[17:51] <Riotta> :)
[17:58] <WeatherGod> micahg, can I get a second opinion on bug 484141?
[17:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484141 in linux "Wireless & Bluetooth on/off inconsistency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484141
[17:58] <WeatherGod> I think it belongs to hotkey, but I am not sure
[17:58] <micahg> WeatherGod: in session right now
[17:58]  * micahg will check in an hour
[17:58] <WeatherGod> np
[18:11] <althara> is anyone here in the Seattle area?
[18:17] <WeatherGod> this report looks like a serious one: bug 484514
[18:17] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484514 in linux "Fan never powers up causing cpu overheating and shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484514
[18:17] <WeatherGod> probably might be an acpi issue, but I am hardly an expert on that
[18:49] <FFEMTcJ> can someone please wishlist bug 485962
[18:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485962 in gobby "Only make "readable" colors available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485962
[18:49] <FFEMTcJ> and also bug 485959
[18:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485959 in indicator-applet "Support customizable notification aggressiveness levels for different applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485959
[18:50] <_lars_> FFEMTcJ: 485962 would be a thing upstream should do, and not ubuntu imho
[18:50] <micahg> _lars_: wishlisting has nothing to do with upstream or not
[18:51] <_lars_> ok, sorry :)
[18:52] <micahg> _lars_: np, you can upstream the bug if you like :)
[18:52] <FFEMTcJ> micahg: if you dont mind.. id like to learn how to upstream
[18:52] <WeatherGod> for the notification aggressiveness, isn't that already something in gtk?
[18:52] <FFEMTcJ> would you help walk me through it?
[18:53] <micahg> WeatherGod: idk
[18:53] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: go to the upstream tracker, search for duplicates, if no duplicate, file a new bug referencing LP bug, add a bug task in LP to upstream bug
[18:54] <FFEMTcJ> it would be gnome correct?
[18:54] <micahg> for gobby?
[18:54] <WeatherGod> _lars_, I think I see what the OR is requesting
[18:55] <FFEMTcJ> yes
[18:55] <micahg> http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/report
[18:55] <micahg> they use trac
[18:55] <FFEMTcJ> i just found that
[18:56] <FFEMTcJ> heh
[18:56] <WeatherGod> _lars_, if I remember correctly from the days when I dabbled in gtk, I think programmers can set an "aggressiveness" level...
[18:56] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: i wishlisted both bugs
[18:56] <FFEMTcJ> ty micahg
[18:57] <WeatherGod> however, I think the OR is asking for the ability to customize the behavior of those aggressiveness levels
[18:57] <WeatherGod> I am not aware of that feature in Gnome
[18:57] <WeatherGod> would be interesting to see such a thing
[19:02] <WeatherGod> could someone wishlist bug 484754?
[19:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484754 in gedit "auto insert space between two characters for Kannada text as in word document" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484754
[19:04] <WeatherGod> well, I think it is a wishlist item... maybe it really is a bug in the display of those unicode characters?
[19:04] <FFEMTcJ> micahg: does that look correct to you? bug 485962
[19:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485962 in gobby "Only make "readable" colors available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485962
[19:04] <micahg> WeatherGod: done
[19:05] <WeatherGod> thanks
[19:06] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: looks fine :)
[19:06] <FFEMTcJ> ty.
[19:06]  * micahg will mark triaged
[19:07] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: oh, you might want to add the image from the user
[19:09] <FFEMTcJ> ok
[19:09] <WeatherGod> I think bug 484786 ought to be marked as CVE?  or some sort of security flag?
[19:09] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484786 in apparmor "Too easy to circumvent AppArmor using btrfs snapshots" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484786
[19:11] <micahg> WeatherGod: you can flag a security by clicking next to this report is public on top
[19:11] <WeatherGod> ok, will do
[19:12] <FFEMTcJ> bug 485076 should be wishlisted... i dont see a problem with it, but it is true
[19:12] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485076 in gobby "Closing Gobby opens confirmation alert with the word "nevertheless"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485076
[19:13] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: that would be Low actually
[19:13] <micahg> since the point is incorrect grammar usage
[19:13] <FFEMTcJ> is it incorrect though?
[19:13] <micahg> idk
[19:13] <WeatherGod> yes
[19:13] <WeatherGod> very much so
[19:13] <WeatherGod> I *hate* that word
[19:14] <WeatherGod> makes me cringe
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> I guess nevertheless do you want to close gobby would be more correct
[19:14] <klslowik> hi, everybody
[19:14]  * WeatherGod smacks FFEMTcJ
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> well, i cant make it low either... lol
[19:14] <WeatherGod> I would mark it as a string fix
[19:14] <micahg> hi klslowik
[19:14] <klslowik> I find some problem with install root-system in ubuntu 9-10
[19:14] <FFEMTcJ> and should that also be upstreamed then?
[19:15] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yes
[19:15] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: I'll mark it low then
[19:15] <WeatherGod> heh, go figure... it is in Merriam-Webster
[19:15] <FFEMTcJ> should i be able to mark it low? or is that reserved to members also?
[19:15] <klslowik> I have problem with dependences libkrb53
[19:16] <micahg> WeatherGod: with that usage?
[19:16] <FFEMTcJ> WeatherGod: i know it is a word
[19:16] <FFEMTcJ> i just dont know if the usage is correct..
[19:16] <FFEMTcJ> i think the way i wrote it would be 'more correct'
[19:16] <WeatherGod> it means "in spite of"
[19:17] <FFEMTcJ> right.. inspite of still being connected, do you want to close
[19:17] <WeatherGod> still, the message should be simple
[19:17] <WeatherGod> so, say "in spite of"
[19:17] <FFEMTcJ> lmao
[19:17] <WeatherGod> shorter than nevertheless
[19:17] <FFEMTcJ> nevertheless, i have reported it to gobby
[19:18]  * WeatherGod smacks FFEMTcJ
[19:18] <FFEMTcJ> ;-)
[19:18] <WeatherGod> usually, I am not a grammar nazi....
[19:18] <FFEMTcJ> bs
[19:18] <WeatherGod> no, really!
[19:18] <micahg> nevertheless, using nevertheless is spiteful :D
[19:18] <WeatherGod> I just really don't like "nevertheless"
[19:19] <WeatherGod> hehe
[19:19] <WeatherGod> same with "nonetheless"
[19:19]  * FFEMTcJ takes not to use nonetheless and nevertheless in ubuntu-bugs whenever possible
[19:20] <WeatherGod> thanks
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> anything for you
[19:20] <micahg> WeatherGod: I marked the security vulnerability as private for the moment
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> uh oh
[19:20] <WeatherGod> ok... it does seem to be one of those law of unexpected consequences things
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> what the crap is up with launchpad
[19:20] <FFEMTcJ> i keep getting timeouts
[19:23] <WeatherGod> dunno, works fine for me
[19:23] <FFEMTcJ> would the most recient comment saying its been fixed in the experimental version (the color bug) change the status at all?
[19:24] <klslowik> my other problem with notif-osd. when I upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 my notif window have only green background with no message
[19:24] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: it will when it's polled
[19:25] <WeatherGod> klslowik, sorry for ignoring you there...
[19:25] <FFEMTcJ> k
[19:25] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: which bug?
[19:25] <WeatherGod> kinda got lost in my grammar rant...
[19:25] <klslowik> :)
[19:25] <WeatherGod> klslowik, so what seems to be the issue?
[19:26] <FFEMTcJ> bug 485962
[19:26] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485962 in gobby "Only make "readable" colors available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485962
[19:26] <klslowik> in 9.04 I have message window on black background and when I upgrade to 9.10 message wndow loks like some graphics card crasches
[19:27] <klslowik> I have ATI Mobile RADEON 7500 card
[19:27] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: I updated the status/importance on bug 485076
[19:27] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485076 in gobby "Closing Gobby opens confirmation alert with the word "nevertheless"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485076
[19:27] <WeatherGod> klslowik, does it crash, or just looks like a mess?
[19:28] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yes
[19:29] <klslowik> when graphics card crasches its generate some random picture, in notif-osd in 9.10 my message window look like this
[19:29] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: I forgot one thing about upstreaming :) test with latest devel release if possible :)
[19:29] <micahg> if it's a wishlist item
[19:30] <WeatherGod> klslowik, I think you ought to file a bug report, and upload a screenshot
[19:30] <klslowik> ok
[19:30] <FFEMTcJ> micahg: im confused.. would it still be triaged?
[19:30] <WeatherGod> file it against the notif, but be sure to mention the graphics card
[19:30] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: yes
[19:30] <klslowik> where can I send it ?
[19:30] <FFEMTcJ> ok
[19:30] <micahg> but maybe not upstreamed
[19:30] <micahg> ugh, I guess I confused myself
[19:31] <WeatherGod> klslowik, you using 9.10 right now?
[19:31] <FFEMTcJ> lol
[19:31] <klslowik> no, I install again 9.04 where everything it's ok
[19:31] <WeatherGod> ok, then use bugs.launchpad.net to report the bug
[19:32] <klslowik> but I can to upgrade again to 9.10
[19:32] <WeatherGod> but be sure to mention that it is for 9.10
[19:32] <klslowik> ok, thank you very much
[19:32] <WeatherGod> yeah, we will need the screenshot to understand the issue better
[19:32] <WeatherGod> so upgrading to 9.10 would be good to do
[19:33] <WeatherGod> and then you can use ubuntu-bug to report a problem automatically
[19:33] <micahg> FFEMTcJ: if it's fixed upstream and not in ubuntu, it won't affect the ubuntu bug task
[19:33] <micahg> !status | FFEMTcJ
[19:33] <ubot4`> Factoid 'status' not found
[19:33] <micahg> ugh
[19:34] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[19:38] <WeatherGod> michag, have you looked at bug 484514 yet?
[19:38] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484514 in linux "Fan never powers up causing cpu overheating and shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484514
[19:48] <WeatherGod> got another fan one here as well... bug 484875
[19:48] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 484875 in linux "Nvidia GPU overheating on Toshiba P100" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484875
[19:54] <micahg> WeatherGod: have you seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[19:55] <WeatherGod> no, I haven't... this is good info to have
[19:56] <micahg> WeatherGod: most of the information should be added by apport now
[19:57] <WeatherGod> is there a package hook, like acpid?
[19:57] <micahg> no, it's the linux package
[19:58] <WeatherGod> ok, so I see the uname and lspci...
[19:59] <WeatherGod> ok, I am gonna have them add some more info
[19:59] <micahg> what else, I think everything is there already
[19:59] <micahg> dmidecode is in the description already
[19:59] <WeatherGod> dmidecode?
[19:59] <micahg> the bios info
[20:00] <WeatherGod> oh.... right.... that's in the summary
[20:00] <WeatherGod> duh
[20:01] <WeatherGod> and then proc stuff would have the acpi info
[20:01] <micahg> probably
[20:02] <WeatherGod> and then the one with the problem on resume should follow the DebuggingKernelSuspend proceedure
[20:07] <micahg> most likely
[20:41] <WeatherGod> bug 485041 should either be a wishlist or hundred papercuts
[20:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 485041 in network-manager-applet "Order of available wireless networks should be by strength, not alphabetical." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485041
[20:42] <WeatherGod> should also be fairly easy to address
[20:45] <micahg> WeatherGod: done
[20:45] <WeatherGod> thanks
[20:45] <micahg> WeatherGod: still needs to be triaged
[20:47] <WeatherGod> in what way?
[20:54] <WeatherGod> are there any SOPs for foobar-ed system upgrades (from Intrepid to Karmic)?
[21:34] <hggdh> Just a warning: I will be unavailable until the end of next week. someone please keep looking at the mentorship requests
[21:34] <hggdh> and... I am gone. See you all next next week ;-)
[21:37] <qense> panic! What shall we do now?! \n More serious though, is anyone else actually keeping a list of the mentorship requests?
[21:38] <pedro_> qense, yes
[21:38] <qense> good, is there a wiki page for it?
[21:38] <pedro_> qense, the list is at the wiki page now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[21:39] <qense> thanks
[21:42] <dogatemycomputer> Greetings.   I would like to learn how to Triage bugs.  Is there someone who has some time (either now or later) to go through Triaging a couple dozen bugs with me?
[21:42] <qense> dogatemycomputer: I would suggest to sign up for the mentorship program. It is explained in detail at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[21:43] <qense> You can sign up for it by sending a mail to our mailist, but please make sure you read the requirements first.
[21:43] <dogatemycomputer> I went through the process and sent an email as per the wiki but have not received a response.  I assume someone will eventually get back to me?
[21:43] <qense> lets have a look if you're on the list
[21:43] <qense> what name did you use when sending the mail?
[21:44] <dogatemycomputer> I sent the email with a brief introduction/timezone/time available, provided my launchpad ID, signed the code of conduct and have been hanging out on IRC when I have time.
[21:44] <dogatemycomputer> dave@damcconsulting.com
[21:44] <dogatemycomputer> or dogatemycomputer .. not sure which 'name' you were referring too.
[21:45] <dogatemycomputer> David Walker
[21:45] <qense> I see
[21:45] <dogatemycomputer> Should I send another email?  I'm happy too.   I just assumed they were busy.
[21:45] <qense> You're not on the list yet, we're in a transition stage, so you must have been missed out. I'm adding you now.
[21:46] <dogatemycomputer> I appreciate your assistance!
[21:46] <qense> you're welcome
[21:46] <dogatemycomputer> I guess I shall wait for someone to contact me then?
[21:47] <qense> dogatemycomputer: did you read this? https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/msg00429.html
[21:48] <dogatemycomputer> No.  I never received anything.   I will sign up for the list.  My mistake!
[21:48] <qense> I can't find the details you said you provided in your application, but you were added to the column of students of Greg-G
[21:48] <qense> not your mistake, you can't subcribe
[21:48] <qense> he should have CC'ed you, you can't join the list without being a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol
[21:49] <qense> if you want to be a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol you need to have demonstrated you can triage bugs properly
[21:49] <dogatemycomputer> Ahh..   Okay.. I don't see his email in the posting.   How should I follow-up with him?
[21:49] <qense> ping greg-g
[21:50] <qense> now we've written down his IRC nick and he should be noticed ;)
[21:50] <dogatemycomputer> Ahh.. I was going to "email him at this address with any questions" so I wanted to make sure I didn't miss his email address.
[21:51] <dogatemycomputer> I'll drop him a line here.
[21:51] <dogatemycomputer> I sent him a message.  Thank you for your help!   I will now wait for his response.
[21:52] <qense> he should have noticed me mentioning his IRC name, maybe he'll appear here soon.
[21:52] <qense> you're still welcome
[22:15] <dogatemycomputer> When in college we used to leave ourselves logged into IRC even when away.  Is that still appropriate here?
[22:36] <dogatemycomputer> I guess that answers my question.  :-)
[22:36] <mrand> dogatemycomputer: yes, as long as you can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:37] <dogatemycomputer> I should have known there would be a wiki for that!  :-)
[22:38] <mrand> Yep - when in doubt, go looking the wiki page ;-)
[22:38] <Riotta> ubuntu has wiki for almost everything :D
[22:39] <dogatemycomputer> I love it:   "Don't be annoying"
[22:40] <dogatemycomputer> It is sad you have to put that in a Wiki.   Of course if it is missing from the Wiki then someone would say, "It doesn't say I can't be annoying."
[22:40] <qense> judy: did you have a look at the ~/.cups/lpoptions file?
[22:41] <judy> qense, hey, didn't I just see you somewhere?  :)
[22:42] <judy> qense, I have no ~/.cups
[22:42] <qense> ok
[22:43] <qense> What about /etc/cups/lpoptions and /etc/cups/printers.conf ?
[22:44] <judy> qense, I don't have an lpoptions in /etc/cups either...
[22:44] <qense> ok, that doesn't matter
[22:44] <qense> what is in /etc/cups/printers.conf ?
[22:45] <judy> qense, http://pastebin.com/m796aa325
[22:45] <qense> It is weird you're still having troubles, because bug 382379 should have been closed at 2009-06-29
[22:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 382379 in poppler "pdftops CUPS filter has several problems" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382379
[22:45] <judy> That's what I was thinking
[22:46] <qense> What drivers are you using for your printer?
[22:46] <judy> I got them from brother
[22:46] <judy> the glp-ed ones fo rthe 7820N
[22:49] <qense> Do you have brother-cups-wrapper-laser installed and is the driver you mentioned from that pachage?
[22:49] <qense> You could try the Debian drivers from Brother - Printing & Scanning & Fax drivers.
[22:50] <judy> I've got those, I think I instlaled the laser wrappers as well.  I'm heading out for a week though, so I'll let this sit until I get back
[22:51] <judy> Thank you so much though for helping; hopefully I talk ot you when I get back
[22:52] <qense> I'm off as well. bye!
[23:18] <utnubuuser> Hello - I recently set my thinkpad up with a second monitor, then tried to switch to console with Alt+F2.  Though the dual-monitor works ok under xserver, when I switched to console, the text was almost illegibly faint.
[23:21] <utnubuuser> This is in Hardy Heron on a Thinkpad X31.  I'm posting this here, because I couldn't file a bug a lauchchpad successfully.  (keeps timing out).  If someone here is able to file a report for me...  I can found on the Ubuntu forums as utnubuuser if direct contact is preferred.  Thanks