[00:43] <micahg> when someone blogs about a rant, does anyone ever poke them to file bugs?
[00:44] <ajmitch> yes
[00:44] <micahg> or am I better off filing the bug if I think it's worth it?
[00:44] <ajmitch> see dtchen's recent response there for how to fix audio bugs
[00:44] <micahg> yeah, I saw that
[00:45] <ajmitch> often people who want to rant don't want to put the effort in to file a useful bug
[00:47] <micahg> ok
[00:50] <pwnguin> micahg: although, usually it's a good idea to search yourself to see if they've already filed it before suggesting they eat their vegstables, exercise 30 minutes daily or file bug reports
[02:04] <morfic> dropping gimp? seriously? (yes i joined, just to ask that, seriously ;P)
[02:08] <ion> Why not? F-spot is enough for the typical user’s needs and the advanced user is free to install the advanced software of her choice.
[02:09] <ebroder> Also, for crying out loud, gimp is being removed from the LIVE CD, not the distribution
[03:15] <morfic> thanks for clearing that up then
[04:13] <Lindows> not sure if this is the correct channel, but I mount a network drive (samba share, cifs, auto in fstab) and it appears kubuntu is attempting to mount the network drive before the network is up (or I'm even logged in).  Anyway to tell it to wait?
[04:15] <Lindows> generates the error: 2009-11-19 20:07:27	anubis	kernel	[    9.323175]  CIFS VFS: Error connecting to socket. Aborting operation
[08:04] <llama_> If I wanted to disassemble execv(), what library would have that with debug tags?
[08:06] <pkern> glibc, but it's just a wrapper around the execve syscall I think.
[08:07] <llama_> I kinda just want to see the source
[08:08] <pkern> glibc then.
[08:08] <llama_> and where is that, ive never dealth with libraries before.  Theres lib, lib32 and lib64 and im on a amd64 system
[08:08] <llama_> dealt
[08:11] <pkern> llama_: I think it's off topic in here and you might want to ask in #ubuntu.  (Hint: apt-get source libc6)
[08:12] <llama_> thanks, can I ask how you learned about the libraries, they confuse me.
[09:21] <ashiswin> umm
[09:21] <ashiswin> hello
[09:22] <ashiswin> anyone who knows OS dev please pm me
[09:22] <ashiswin> urgently
[14:25] <blackxored> what's the appropiate package to file a bug against the Appearance preferences, which has to do where you're using CCSM, there are no options marked in the visual effects tab, I recall that sometime ago (or maybe I'm wrong and that was in fedora), when you have customized your effects through ccsm, there is a marked option for ccsm or custom, or something like that?
[14:25] <blackxored> also the indicator applet doesn't shows pidgin on my system
[14:32] <blackxored> anyone?
[14:43] <blackxored>  what's the appropiate package to file a bug against the Appearance preferences, which has to do where you're using CCSM, there are no options marked in the visual effects tab, I recall that sometime ago (or maybe I'm wrong and that was in fedora), when you have customized your effects through ccsm, there is a marked option for ccsm or custom, or something like that?
 also the indicator applet doesn't shows pidgin on my system
[14:49] <Chipzz> blackxored: not the appropriate channel. I thnk you want #ubuntu-bugs
[14:53] <blackxored> Chipzz, thanks
[14:53] <Chipzz> blackxored: also, if you're not getting an answer (on any channel really), may I suggest you check the topic (which you REALLY should have done before asking the question in the first place) to see if your question is on-topic instead of repeating your question?
[14:54] <blackxored> Chipzz, I was unsure about the proper package, I was going to file against ubuntu-desktop but that was too generic
[15:22] <zul> james_w: ping when you get a chance can you import samba please? thanks
[16:10] <dalfz> after i compiled wine from apt-get source, what do i do to install it?
[16:35] <unimatrix> how do i request a package to be included in the repository?
[16:37] <akshaysulakhe> so many people at this time...
[16:59] <NCommander> bryce, ping eric_miao is looking for you
[17:17] <dariocaruso> salve ho un problema con un netbook Hp 700EL
[17:18] <dariocaruso> installo i driver
[17:18] <dariocaruso> ma non funziona
[17:19] <dariocaruso> qualcuno può aiutarmi!?
[17:20] <ebroder> !es | dariocaruso
[17:20] <hsn> !cs
[17:20] <hsn> !cz
[17:21] <ebroder> dariocaruso: Oh, I'm so sorry - I'm not sure why I thought that was Spanish. In any case, there's also an #ubuntu-it
[18:46] <corp186> I'm trying to start development on the installer, but I'm having a hard time starting out
[18:46] <corp186> I've asked on #ubuntu-installer, but no one's home
[18:47] <corp186> has anyone here had any experience in that part?
[18:47] <corp186> I'd like to know how I can build up an iso image myself
[18:47] <micahg> people are probably at UDS sessions
[18:47] <corp186> micahg: ahhh
[19:04] <craigbass1976> Anyone know the status of this ?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/poppler/+bug/382379    It says there is a fix, but I can't figure out what needs to be implemented on a jaunty box to get pdf's printing properly over a network
[19:14] <craigbass1976> Anyone know the status of this ?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/poppler/+bug/382379    It says there is a fix, but I can't figure out what needs to be implemented on a jaunty box to get pdf's printing properly over a network
[19:17] <micahg> craigbass1976: just updating the package should fix it in jaunty
[19:20] <craigbass1976> micahg, hrmmm... I've done all the updates.  No love.
[19:20] <craigbass1976> I don't remember checking to see if I had poppler installed, but wouldn't it have been anyway?
[19:21] <micahg> oops
[19:21] <craigbass1976> oops what?
[19:21] <micahg> I saw cups and said it was released :) checking the other task
[19:21] <micahg> yeah, that was released too
[19:22] <craigbass1976> so jsut because I have cups installed doesn't mean I have popplar as well?
[19:24] <micahg> craigbass1976: idk, sorry
[19:26] <micahg> craigbass1976: maybe try #ubuntu
[19:51] <jcole> so, i created a chroot and bind mounted dev/proc/tmp ... how do i kill only the procs started in the chroot?
[19:52] <jcole> i created a hardy chroot to backport
[20:08] <maxb> jcole: /proc/PID/root tells you what the (ch)root dir of a process is. You can use this, from outside the chroot, to locate still-running chrooted processes
[20:08] <jcole> maxb: thank you, i figured out that lsof was also my friend :)
[20:09] <maxb> that too :-)
[20:38] <nixjunki3> Is there a channel specifically for packaging or is this it
[20:39] <StevenK> nixjunki3: I'd suggest #ubuntu-motu
[20:39] <nixjunki3> thanks
[21:57] <hyperair> dtchen: is it possible to patch pactl/pacmd to be more friendly to scripts?
[21:57] <hyperair> e.g. list-sinks with a format parameter or something
[21:58] <hyperair> if the output can be parsed by a script then it should be simple enough to save the muted status of each sink/source prior to suspend/hibernate and restore upon resume
[21:58] <hyperair> in fact, i think pm-utils has some helper functions for this kind of thing
[22:03] <hyperair> hmm no wait i think i can script this..
[22:05] <hyperair> $ echo list-sinks | pacmd | grep -e index -e mute | sed -e 's/^[[:space:]*]*//' | (sink=; while read line value; do [ ${line%:} = index ] && sink=$value || echo $sink=$value; done)
[22:06] <hyperair> voila. readable $sink=$muted status
[22:06] <hyperair> now to save it..
[22:24] <Infin1ty> I'm trying to build openoffice.org with some extension integrated into it, what is the easy way to pack it? i thought about just putting the oxt file in the OOBUILDDIR/extras/source/extensions, is it the right thing to do?
[22:37] <judy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/289852  I've got everyhing update on my jaunty box, but still can't print
[22:39] <qense> judy: For discussing bugs I would suggest you to use #ubuntu-bugs in the future. It seems your bug is a duplicate of bug 382379, which should be fixed in later versions of Ubuntu.
[22:39] <qense> and even in Jaunty
[22:39] <judy> qense, but nothing now?  The bug says it's fixed.  I'll ask in bugs though
[23:19] <fale> hi
[23:19] <fale> Will Lucid use xsplash or will it use plymouth?
[23:31] <Keybuk> james_w: "You cannot upload to this branch. Members of Ubuntu branches can upload to this branch." ? :-(
[23:38] <hyperair> fale: xsplash.
[23:40] <fale> hyperair: oh... I have seen a couple minutes ago the opposite info :S
[23:40] <hyperair> what?
[23:40] <hyperair> from who?
[23:40] <hyperair> where?
[23:40] <hyperair> when?
[23:40] <hyperair> er nevermind about the when
[23:40] <fale> hyperair: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8341620&postcount=8
[23:41] <hyperair> ...either i'm missing out on something, or somebody's bullshitting.
[23:41] <fale> hyperair: yeah.. is not very clear what's going on :S
[23:41] <Keybuk> how is that not clear? :p
[23:42] <ScottK> fale: ^^^ guy in charge of the Ubuntu boot work, so I think it's now clear.
[23:42] <fale> ScottK: hem... who is?
[23:43]  * Keybuk  
[23:43] <fale> Keybuk: oh, cool... than it will plymouth or what for ubuntu? and for the other flavours?
[23:44] <Keybuk> fale: yes, plymouth; as it says
[23:44] <Keybuk> replacing usplash
[23:44] <fale> Keybuk: than even for kubuntu, I guess, is it right?
[23:44] <Keybuk> fale: yes
[23:45] <fale> cool :)
[23:45] <Keybuk> the xsplash bit is a bit more complicated; we *may* merge the xsplash code into plymouth, so that we can use the plymouth splash plugins rendering to (effectively) xsplash
[23:45] <Keybuk> recent changes in plymouth's code make that possible
[23:45] <fale> Keybuk: I see
[23:46] <fale> but it will use the actual plymouth system in any case (I mean that it never shows a black screen, code or stuff like that)
[23:46] <fale> *?
[23:47] <Keybuk> that's not really plymouth doing that
[23:47] <fale> :o... what is?
[23:47] <Keybuk> but it helps
[23:47] <Keybuk> patches to the X server and kernel/X driver support
[23:47] <fale> I see
[23:47] <Keybuk> the main reason for the usplash->plymouth switch is that plymouth is a much cleaner codebase for future developments
[23:47] <Keybuk> with better support for things like multi-head built in
[23:48] <Keybuk> (being based on the kernel DRM/DRI/FB devices, not SVGAlib)
[23:48] <fale> and ubuntu will aim to that? (like fedora does)
[23:48] <Keybuk> yes
[23:48] <fale> I can see the point ;)
[23:48] <fale> cool :)
[23:48] <fale> Keybuk: since when, probably, the plymouth will be the default one on the daily?
[23:48] <Keybuk> probably early next week
[23:49] <fale> that's really cool :)
[23:49] <Keybuk> tseliot and I have been working on it for a couple of weeks
[23:49] <fale> I see :)
[23:50] <fale> another question completly unreleated: fedora uses kickstart to create the official and the unofficial ISOs. Which program is used by ubuntu for the official ISOs?
[23:50] <Keybuk> proved it worked, so came to UDS saying "yup, let's just do this"
[23:50] <fale> Keybuk: I think that's a good way ;)
[23:50] <Keybuk> we use Debian-based tools
[23:50] <fale> what's the name?
[23:51] <Keybuk> something boring like "live cd tools"
[23:51] <fale> I see
[23:51] <fale> and is there the 'official configuration' that is used to create the official ubuntu iso?
[23:51] <Keybuk> not sure
[23:51] <fale> I see
[23:52] <Keybuk> basically they just make a chroot, debootstrap, install ubuntu-desktop, turn it into a squashfs, and onto an iso
[23:53] <fale> Keybuk: it sounds dirty :S
[23:53] <fale> I mean, compared to kickstart
[23:53] <ScottK> fale: debian-cd is used for all ISOs and there's some additional bits for the live CDs.
[23:54] <Keybuk> fale: no, not at all
[23:54] <Keybuk> very clean
[23:54] <fale> I see
[23:54] <Keybuk> making CD images is fundamentally Not That Hard :)
[23:55] <fale> Keybuk: if I use uck to modify an ubuntu iso... do you think it will still be clean?
[23:55]  * Keybuk modifies them all the time
[23:56] <fale> ok :)
[23:58] <fale> another thing: I have created a package that only have some dependences (no files). But after the installation apt tells me that my package is unused and that I can freely delete it. How can I fix this?