| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| Riddell | loadus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/all/oxygen-icon-theme/filelist | 00:26 |
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| loadus | Riddell: Thanks muchos | 00:26 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: that'll be koffice 2.1.0 tars | 00:27 |
| rgreening | Riddell: ping\ | 00:48 |
| rgreening | Riddell: did you approve JontheEchidna's upload of the touchpad config? | 00:48 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: what's the package called? | 00:48 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: kcm-touchpad, I've not seen it be accepted yet | 00:49 |
| rgreening | Riddell: said he would go and accept it.... | 00:49 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: build started | 00:49 |
| * rgreening shouts RIDDELL!!! | 00:49 | |
| rgreening | :) | 00:50 |
| JontheEchidna | no hurry, we still have like 3 months before feature freeze :P | 00:50 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: i want to install it :) | 00:50 |
| rgreening | haha | 00:50 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 00:50 |
| Riddell | rgreening: hmm? | 00:51 |
| rgreening | :P | 00:52 |
| * rgreening pokes Riddell with a big stick.. yep, he's alive | 00:52 | |
| ryanakca | If someone with packaging experience has time and interest and an IPv6 connection, could they simultaneously help me with a package split and test Kobby (lambda.ryanak.ca port 6523). | 01:07 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: hmm, this kcm-touchpad has inconsistent licencing | 01:07 |
| Riddell | it has a copy of the GPL 2 but the .cpp and .h files are MIT | 01:08 |
| * JontheEchidna thought that was BSD | 01:08 | |
| Riddell | it's more like MIT or X11 http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy | 01:10 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: I'll reject this, please change debian/copyright to say that it's GPL 2 (since that's what we have to assume from the inclusion of the file) except for the files which are whatever it is | 01:10 |
| Riddell | and you should change the last line not to say BSD | 01:10 |
| JontheEchidna | ok | 01:11 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: would this be acceptable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/323938/ | 01:18 |
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| === v is now known as vorian | ||
| JontheEchidna | http://imagebin.ca/view/lDjIIA.html | 02:06 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: Awake? | 02:30 |
| Daskreech | Hmm weird I'm using konqueror to read an article about Kubuntu that's complaining that Konqueror can't load the site | 02:51 |
| Daskreech | >_> | 02:51 |
| Daskreech | Slashsdot takes 7 minutes to load? | 02:51 |
| Daskreech | Dolphin not auto updating is true | 03:00 |
| claydoh | Daskreech: link? I need something to read, bored here ") | 03:06 |
| Daskreech | claydoh: http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/11/review-kde-one-year-later.html | 03:38 |
| Daskreech | Curses! | 03:39 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| Daskreech | apachelogger: as regards to your musing on what Kubuntu should be in terms of providing what is needed for the user. I just had a look at the Perfect Kubuntu Desktop 9.10 setup and the first steps are to replace nearly all the KDE apps | 03:43 |
| === manny__ is now known as mannyv | ||
| kb9vqf | Daskreech: That's why I keep KDE3 around... :) | 04:27 |
| * kb9vqf ducks | 04:28 | |
| kb9vqf | slashdot takes 10 seconds to load in KDE3's Konqueror | 04:29 |
| dhillon-v10 | hi all, I just learned about the Project Timelord, so how can I get started helping out here :) | 04:47 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: looks good | 04:52 |
| nixternal | jjesse and DarkwingDuck: I have created a bzr branch under my personal +junk in LP. I will send out an email to the both of you with details... if you can please, do not commit nor plan to commit to lp:kubuntu-docs, as I would like to wipe it out this weekend and upload my proposed changes if you guys approve of the new layout....I have the build system working already, and all docs are empty right now...which means we will be writing f | 06:25 |
| DarkwingDuck | writing f... :P | 06:28 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:28 |
| nixternal | you need to make your name a bit easier to find...thankfully you used it in your GPG key :) | 06:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | :) | 06:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | Actually, that and the whois on darkwingduck.org are the only ways to find my name | 06:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | Anyway, I don't think I have access to commit to kubuntu-docs unless you added me... | 06:30 |
| nixternal | you will have it soon enough | 06:38 |
| nixternal | I need to figure out just how to go about doing so...I think I have the powers, I just want to be clear there is nothing I need to do ahead of time | 06:38 |
| nixternal | you have mail btw :) | 06:39 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yeah. My BB just freaked out | 06:39 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:39 |
| DarkwingDuck | Oh yeah, I get email 24/7 | 06:39 |
| nixternal | my BB has been dead quiet | 06:39 |
| nixternal | I like it when it is like that | 06:39 |
| DarkwingDuck | agreed | 06:40 |
| DarkwingDuck | 30E76E19 | 06:40 |
| nixternal | ok, so as soon as jjesse and you yay/nay the proposed stuff, I can get it in lp:kubuntu-docs and procede to kicking some doc butt for Lucid | 06:41 |
| nixternal | is that supposed to make something easy for BB users? the pin that is, besides the chat tool? | 06:41 |
| nixternal | I can't even remember how to find my pin :) | 06:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | Vice giving out a phone number. YOu can text via PIN as I don't use the chat | 06:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | Options>status | 06:43 |
| nixternal | ahh, there it is | 06:43 |
| nixternal | 302A16ED | 06:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | nixternal: +1 | 06:49 |
| DarkwingDuck | It's a bit simpler then it was but, it doesn't lack structure. | 06:50 |
| DarkwingDuck | You can find things a bit better IMO | 06:50 |
| nixternal | groovy | 06:51 |
| nixternal | ya, the old package has a lot of cruft left over when all of the docs (ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu...) were all build from one source | 06:51 |
| nixternal | s/build/built/ | 06:51 |
| nixternal | I just realized my template has identation, and I am not a fan of indentation because of all the years I have worked on KDE docs | 06:52 |
| nixternal | do you use indentation when writing documentation? | 06:52 |
| nixternal | I think jjesse tends to as well, and 2 > 1 :) | 06:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm not a fan as I get lost. | 06:53 |
| nixternal | ooh, so we win then :) | 06:53 |
| DarkwingDuck | I think it's left over from my bad PERL programming days | 06:53 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 06:53 |
| nixternal | groovy, I will fix that before I do a final commit | 06:53 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay. | 06:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | For the netbook side I'll find and add the differences into the one XML document. | 06:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | I think just the variation of the GUI is the main issue | 06:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | But, I want to branch out form there and be a full on Kubuntu doc guy | 06:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, off to play hockey then to bed. | 07:05 |
| nixternal | DarkwingDuck: oh ya, I figured that once you got the netbook stuff at least there, then you would be helping elsewhere with the docs | 07:41 |
| nixternal | I just committed into my +junk branch the modeline changes for indentation for emacs, vim, and kate | 07:41 |
| nixternal | and on that note, it is time to lay down and try to fall asleep | 07:42 |
| Peace- | mm | 08:18 |
| Tm_T | nn | 08:18 |
| Peace- | mplayerthumbs installed by default? | 08:18 |
| Peace- | why it's not installed like on sabayon | 08:18 |
| Tm_T | how is that installed in Sabayon then? | 08:19 |
| Peace- | i have a live cd of sabayon | 08:19 |
| Peace- | and by default there is | 08:19 |
| Peace- | so dolphin can do video audio preview | 08:19 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: hmm, sorry but what you are asking exactly? you lost me there | 08:20 |
| Peace- | it not a question... properly | 08:21 |
| Peace- | it's why on kubuntu is missing a lots of stuff | 08:21 |
| Peace- | i mean partition manager for example | 08:22 |
| Peace- | why on dolphin search bar is not shown | 08:23 |
| Peace- | by default and why up buttons is not shown | 08:23 |
| Peace- | everytime i have to install kubuntu and make a lots of work to get it | 08:23 |
| Peace- | is not this timelord channel? | 08:24 |
| Peace- | and this fucking Nepomuck and stringi kubuntu 9.10 Strigi service failed to initialize, most likely due to an installation problem | 08:25 |
| Peace- | everytime i have to fix it | 08:25 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: please no cursing | 08:26 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: also I should remind that many developers are in UDS, that means they are sleeping now (or should be) | 08:26 |
| Peace- | Tm_T: well maybe you right but it's very sad that this distro had so much problem | 08:27 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: hmmm, true that, though I haven't noticed others having those problems you mention | 08:27 |
| Peace- | Tm_T mplayerthumbs is installed by default on your system? | 08:28 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: not that I know | 08:28 |
| Peace- | Tm_T: and networking problem like always asking for passwornd on wifi network? | 08:29 |
| Peace- | kdenlive that doesn't work properly with intel card with the "stable video driver " | 08:30 |
| Peace- | you have to fix libdrm2 and other 2 packages because if you keep the stable driver kdenlive doesn't shown magnetic arrows | 08:31 |
| Peace- | and quassel ? that doens't work like konversation then... | 08:31 |
| Tm_T | how it doesn't work? | 08:32 |
| Peace- | quassel simply doesn't work well | 08:32 |
| Tm_T | how it doesn't work? | 08:33 |
| Peace- | have you tried quassel and then konversation? | 08:33 |
| Peace- | just try it | 08:33 |
| Peace- | and omg i will never go back to quassel | 08:33 |
| Peace- | unconfortable | 08:33 |
| Peace- | and with a lots of bug for me | 08:34 |
| Peace- | i mean omg i can't read well what the people write | 08:34 |
| Peace- | expecially if it is a long sentence | 08:34 |
| Peace- | i have just removed it | 08:35 |
| Peace- | and dolphin with the video preview... | 08:35 |
| Peace- | omg it's pity | 08:35 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: I haven't noticed anyone other complaining that Quassel doesn't work | 08:36 |
| Peace- | Tm_T: quassel omg i will install it onemore time only to get some screenshot of its stupid bugs | 08:36 |
| Peace- | that make me hate it | 08:37 |
| Peace- | well to work it works but not properly like konversation | 08:37 |
| Peace- | konversation is like k3b | 08:37 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: how it works better | 08:37 |
| Peace- | Tm_T: are you using it ? | 08:38 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: no I'm not, that's why I'm asking | 08:38 |
| Peace- | it's not mature | 08:38 |
| Peace- | i can't understand why it get included on kubuntu iso when there was konversation | 08:39 |
| Tm_T | so how it is not mature? | 08:39 |
| Peace- | Tm_T: for example like i said it doesn t show properly long sentence | 08:39 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: then I wonder others haven't complained about it | 08:40 |
| Peace- | it doesn't support away status by default | 08:40 |
| Tm_T | doesn't support? | 08:40 |
| Peace- | yeah i mean it was so funny write /away | 08:40 |
| Peace- | and get nothing by quassel | 08:40 |
| Tm_T | nothing? you mean your nick didn't change? | 08:40 |
| Peace- | no hahahah | 08:40 |
| Tm_T | what then you did expect? | 08:41 |
| Peace- | my nick changed into away status? | 08:41 |
| Tm_T | ... that should be default? over my dead body | 08:41 |
| Tm_T | really, that whould be really bad default | 08:42 |
| Peace- | that's i mean when it's not mature | 08:42 |
| Tm_T | sorry I don't follow you again | 08:42 |
| Tm_T | can you explain me clearly what was expected behaviour and what was different in results | 08:43 |
| Peace- | why i have to spend a lots of time to set a new software when there is another that do everything you need by default | 08:43 |
| Peace- | now i will write /away | 08:43 |
| Tm_T | yes? | 08:43 |
| Peace- | so i get the away status | 08:43 |
| Tm_T | yes? | 08:44 |
| Peace- | do the same on quassel and it doesn't work | 08:44 |
| Peace- | . | 08:44 |
| Tm_T | how it doesn't work? | 08:44 |
| Peace- | are you kidding me? | 08:44 |
| Tm_T | if you do "/away I'm gone" you get away status with "I'm gone" right? | 08:44 |
| Peace- | like i imaged i waste of time | 08:45 |
| Peace- | i will do the same like always...i will use remastersys to create my own ultimate kubuntu iso | 08:45 |
| Peace- | made for who use kde normally | 08:46 |
| Tm_T | Peace-: maybe you just need to repost your issues when some other is here, as I apparently cannot get my brains running today | 08:48 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: what it does is overly stupid | 10:45 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: ah, was meant for someone else, sry :) | 10:45 |
| * apachelogger is not completely awake it seems | 10:45 | |
| fale | qt4.6rc1 has been released, but it seems that lucid is still with b1. someone is working on it? | 10:54 |
| fale | Riddell: I was thinking about backporting the new debhelper (and I'm doing it). Do you think it could go into backports? In this way it should be easy backporting from lucid | 11:09 |
| === Squt is now known as Sput | ||
| fale | JontheEchidna: I think rekonq should have as: build-depends quilt | 12:30 |
| fale | JontheEchidna: sorry, it already has it :) | 12:31 |
| neversfelde | maco: there is a new upstream minitube bugfix release, I uploaded that to revu | 12:48 |
| * apachelogger should be learning for exam next week but feels like fixing that dbus stuff in ubuntuone | 13:07 | |
| apachelogger | oh my oh my | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: mom!!!! I need a qt dbus master | 13:08 |
| apachelogger | where to get one? | 13:08 |
| Sput | look into your closet maybe? | 13:10 |
| prince_of_boredo | hello | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | uhm | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 13:14 |
| * apachelogger hugs Sput | 13:14 | |
| * Sput rehugs apachelogger | 13:15 | |
| apachelogger | if you cant get something out of the closet, why not send the whole thing | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | SLOT(UploadStarted(QDBusMessage)) | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | interestingly enough that seems to be triggering the slot | 13:17 |
| * fale is backporting qt4.6 | 13:17 | |
| fale | apachelogger: in lucid there is qt4.6b1 :( | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | fale: I would suppose someone needs to update it ;) | 13:18 |
| fale | apachelogger: I think it too ;) | 13:18 |
| fale | apachelogger: my dput can not upload more than ~20mb :( | 13:18 |
| fale | apachelogger: is possible to upload not as ftp? | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | fale: I dont think so | 13:28 |
| fale | apachelogger: I see.. thank I'll wait for someone who has better connettivity :) | 13:29 |
| * apachelogger finds that rather awful anyway, uploads should be done via sftp | 13:29 | |
| apachelogger | fale: I can upload | 13:29 |
| * apachelogger doesnt need any bandwith while haxx0ring the dbus :P | 13:29 | |
| fale | that would be cool :) | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | ClientApplet(5394) Applet::UploadStarted: (QVariant(QString, "/home/me/Ubuntu One/foo6") ) | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | ClientApplet(5394) Applet::UploadStarted: QString | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | ClientApplet(5394) Applet::UploadStarted: "/home/me/Ubuntu One/foo6" | 13:29 |
| fale | dput works with ftp or sftp? | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | Sput: srsly, you are ze awesomest dood ever | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | fale: technically dput works with just about anything, its just that the incoming server only support ftp | 13:30 |
| Sput | apachelogger: what did I do! | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | fale: anyhow, where would I dget from? | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | Sput: you made me realize the obvious :P | 13:30 |
| Sput | hehe :) | 13:30 |
| fale | apachelogger: I see :( than my ISP cuts the ftp connections :s | 13:30 |
| Sput | I have no idea how, but whatever turns your boat, as they say | 13:30 |
| fale | apachelogger: debian has it: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=qt&searchon=names&suite=experimental§ion=all | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | fale: I suppose we need to merge though? | 13:31 |
| * JontheEchidna thinks Lex79 may have already been doing the 4.6 rc1 merge/update | 13:32 | |
| fale | apachelogger: I guess the .orig.tar.gz would be the same, isn't it? | 13:32 |
| fale | oh, cool :) | 13:32 |
| JontheEchidna | Not totally certain, but you may want to check with him unless you just like practicing :P | 13:32 |
| fale | JontheEchidna: filed a couple of bugs for backports :) | 13:32 |
| apachelogger | Sput: my closet door doesnt open that easily, much like a safe as I noticed yesterday whilest being drunk, and that lead me to consider stealing a safe rather than opening it onsight | 13:32 |
| apachelogger | i.e. I wasnt able to obtain a qdbusmessage's content right away, so I just call-by-reference the qdbusmessage object and break it inside a function | 13:33 |
| apachelogger | which is pretty ingenious and pretty obviuos at the same time | 13:33 |
| fale | JontheEchidna: the point is that I cannot upload that much, than someone else (apachelogger) should do that... than would be better to don't do multiple time the same thing :) | 13:33 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah... I feel your pain. My ISP does similarly | 13:34 |
| fale | JontheEchidna: that's ugly :( | 13:34 |
| Sput | apachelogger: I like how you think :) | 13:34 |
| JontheEchidna | technically I can upload more than 20 MB, but the chances of things failing gets higher the bigger the size of the package | 13:34 |
| Sput | glad to have been of service | 13:34 |
| JontheEchidna | For large packages it just stops before uploading the last byte | 13:34 |
| Sput | your ISPs suck :) | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | Sput: I might still have a bit alcohol in my blood, thinking about it it was weird thinking :D | 13:35 |
| fale | JontheEchidna: I tried a dosens times with boost (~25mb) and have always failed :( | 13:35 |
| fale | JontheEchidna: yes, I have the same last-byte problem :( | 13:35 |
| fale | JontheEchidna: wouldn't be enough to activate sftp? | 13:36 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't know how to do that | 13:36 |
| * fale was going to die when he saw that launchpad sent him 3 mails thinking that the qt backported has failed :S | 13:37 | |
| fale | JontheEchidna: is a server option | 13:37 |
| fale | is possible to put a patch during the backport? | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | fale: possible but not very much liked | 13:57 |
| apachelogger | the patch should be applied to lucid I suppose | 13:57 |
| fale | apachelogger: the point is that if I backport 4.6 it will ovrewrite 4.5, while it could be usefull to stay into a different path | 13:57 |
| apachelogger | actually | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | just came to think of it | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | arent we in the process of establishing a spec that actually suggest backporting qt is bad? | 13:58 |
| fale | apachelogger: mmm really? why? ehre? | 13:59 |
| fale | *where? | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | bad experience | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | Major Qt versions will not be put in -proposed, -updates, or -backports | 14:00 |
| fale | for that reason I thought that was better to change path... but if there is a direct policy... np... it will wait until 10.04 | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | weeeeeeh | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot055.png | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: ^ | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | fale: well, trust me, changing path is even more risk | 14:09 |
| fale | I see | 14:09 |
| === bdefreese2 is now known as bddebian | ||
| * ScottK waves. | 14:16 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Thanks for noticing the updates policy | 14:16 |
| ScottK | Dunno if everyone heard, but we did get agreement from Canonical for Kubuntu 10.04 to be LTS. | 14:16 |
| ScottK | Also Ayatana had a meeting with the plasma team on some things they want to do and it seems there is very good agreement. | 14:17 |
| * ScottK is going to shut down now to pack up and get to the airport. | 14:18 | |
| neversfelde | Riddell: I uploaded koffice to the ninja ppa and prepared the news for kubuntu.org. I will do some upgrade tests now and then I'll have to leave and will be offline till saturday. | 14:55 |
| jtechidna | apachelogger: woaha, kewl | 15:31 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: upgrade test went fine | 15:45 |
| dailystruggle | general question-- what do I call my desktop if I have kde and gnome mixed? "working" | 15:48 |
| Peace- | dailystruggle: messed up? | 15:52 |
| dailystruggle | but it works great | 15:53 |
| dailystruggle | I just have a longer list of credits | 15:53 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: feel free to hack around a bit :P | 16:07 |
| apachelogger | dailystruggle: woah, must be hardcore to use plasma for the desktop and gnome-panel for the panel | 16:08 |
| Sput | wurgh | 16:08 |
| Peace- | anyone here knows how to modifiy the dolphin configuration file to get filter bar shown by default | 16:08 |
| Peace- | for every users? | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | Peace-: remove present config, open dolphin, add bar, quit dolphin, use nu config | 16:09 |
| neversfelde | Peace-: add FilterBar=true | 16:09 |
| dailystruggle | actually I use cairo dock and kde for start and gnome for some random | 16:09 |
| dailystruggle | items | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | dont understand | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 16:10 |
| dailystruggle | thats ok not textbook setup | 16:10 |
| apachelogger | time to introduce an apachelogger class we can use across kubuntuware :P | 16:10 |
| dailystruggle | I use for public displays and very durable | 16:11 |
| dailystruggle | some issues when new user account created but for display only | 16:13 |
| dailystruggle | like they say "this is a test, only a test, in case this actually happens please contact someone smart to help you" | 16:14 |
| === GREEK is now known as Guest70451 | ||
| dailystruggle | I think the wise thing for me is to install and show people basic how to- then show them the pay support channels | 16:17 |
| dailystruggle | that sound right ?? | 16:18 |
| Guest70451 | проблемы не как не могу заканектится через кубунту. не как не находит сети | 16:19 |
| === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan | ||
| Peace- | neversfelde: thank y apachelogger thank you too i was missing [General] | 16:37 |
| Peace- | :) | 16:37 |
| Quintasan | Nightrose: how can I help with NEON? | 16:54 |
| Nightrose | Quintasan: \o/ apachelogger will know what needs doing exactly | 16:55 |
| Nightrose | i'll be greatful to eternity if you help with that | 16:55 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: ping * over 9000 times | 16:55 |
| * Nightrose really really needs amarok trunk again | 16:55 | |
| apachelogger | well, thank you | 16:57 |
| * apachelogger just got lost in the casting insanity here | 16:58 | |
| Nightrose | hehe | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | did I ever mention how neon is built on my account :P | 16:58 |
| Nightrose | time to get it away from there i guess | 16:58 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger | 16:58 |
| * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. | 16:58 | |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: go checkout the neon branch somewhere on launchpad | 16:58 |
| Nightrose | honestly neon is important for kubuntu | 16:58 |
| Nightrose | it would be good to get it back | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | const QDBusArgument &operator>>(const QDBusArgument &argument, QMap<QString, QString> &map) | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | that is so not going to work | 17:01 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/supplementary_scripts/neon/? | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: launchpad | 17:01 |
| Quintasan | ahh | 17:01 |
| Quintasan | got it | 17:02 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: ^ | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | somewhere in the code there is some definition for what name and email it uses to sign stuff | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | then you need to add a project-neon config to your dput uploading to some ppa | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | and then you need to switch all occurances of jaunty to karmic | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | then invoke ./amarok.rb all and see where that gets you | 17:06 |
| ScottK | Just for the record: t-mobile hotspot service login page works in Konqueror, but not Firefox. | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | oh and you need to copy a crap load of packages from the project-neon ppa | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | most importantly the -cdbs and -tools packages | 17:07 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: WHoot! :) | 17:10 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: are you sure you didn't use some monkey coding tricks in there? can't find anything apart from ssh+svn | 17:10 |
| Quintasan | nvm | 17:10 |
| Quintasan | got it | 17:10 |
| Daskreech | Anyone on KDE 4.3.3 has Phonon working? | 17:12 |
| Daskreech | lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_xine.so: undefined symbol: <blahblahblah> | 17:14 |
| Daskreech | I'm seeing a few instances of it pop up on the net | 17:15 |
| tsimpson | phonon seems to be working fine here | 17:16 |
| tsimpson | Daskreech: what symbol is undefined? | 17:16 |
| Daskreech | Umm hold on let me pull up the search | 17:17 |
| Daskreech | undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData13detach_helperEPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Ei | 17:17 |
| tsimpson | that looks like a Qt function | 17:17 |
| tsimpson | do you have a custom Qt install? | 17:18 |
| Daskreech | undefined symbol: _ZN18QNetworkProxyQueryC1ERK4QUrlNS_9QueryTypeE | 17:18 |
| Daskreech | Nope | 17:18 |
| Daskreech | At least none I installed | 17:18 |
| ScottK | Daskreech: What Qt are you using? | 17:19 |
| Daskreech | Though my last update did install mostly Qt stuff | 17:19 |
| ScottK | From which PPA? | 17:19 |
| Daskreech | KDE 4.3.3 experimental I would suppose | 17:19 |
| Daskreech | 4.6.0~rc1 | 17:20 |
| Daskreech | 4.5.3really4.5.2 is in the normal repos | 17:20 |
| ScottK | That's a sign you are running something built against Qt 4.6 beta that wasn't rebuilt for RC 1. | 17:20 |
| ScottK | All that stuff in the Experimental repo needs to be rebuilt. | 17:21 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: ^^^ Can you find a minion for this? I'm about to get on a plane. | 17:21 |
| * apachelogger is lost in casting | 17:21 | |
| ScottK | Daskreech: That's the problem ^^^. | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: stop playing with the neon, experimental is broken! | 17:22 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 17:22 |
| apachelogger | /home/me/src/git/ubuntuone-client-kde/src/applet.cpp:89: error: ‘qDBusRegisterMetaType’ was not declared in this scope | 17:22 |
| apachelogger | haha | 17:22 |
| apachelogger | they wanna screw with my head | 17:22 |
| apachelogger | but not with me, no sir! | 17:22 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: kay, whatever, and what's with the dput config? | 17:22 |
| * apachelogger better gets some tea before he starts randomly including stuff | 17:22 | |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: either you change the entry in neon or you add an appropriate section to your dput config | 17:23 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: it's in the file with DEBNAME or somewhere else? | 17:23 |
| tsimpson | apachelogger: btw, I had to create FindLibKNotificationItem-1.cmake in cmake/modules/ to compile the code (it's not in our packages) | 17:24 |
| tsimpson | also our /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPhonon.cmake does not find phonon | 17:25 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: nvm, I found it, it will put stuff into my ppa :P | 17:25 |
| jjesse-netbook_ | DarkwingDuck: ok on netbook youcan send me ping | 17:30 |
| Quintasan | oh man how I'd like to have working Shaman instead of using KPK :/ | 17:33 |
| === jjesse-netbook_ is now known as jjesse-netbook | ||
| ScottK | QT_ZLIB_LIBRARY (ADVANCED) NOTFOUND <--- Cmake issue or missing depends? | 17:38 |
| ScottK | Flight boarding, so see you all later. | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: oh, forgot to git add the findlibknotificationitem | 17:48 |
| Daskreech | Bye ScottK | 17:50 |
| apachelogger | I'm casting in the rain, I'm casting in the rain, what a glorious feeling I am happy again | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | if only the casting was successful :| | 17:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | Hey jjesse-netbook, what is your email address? | 17:59 |
| jjesse-netbook | jjesse @ gmail dot com | 17:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | kk | 17:59 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: I just presented Project Timelord at the Swiss Karmic Release Party :) | 18:00 |
| jjesse-netbook | hrmm who do i ask about fixing my @ubuntu.com email? apparently its not working | 18:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'll forward to you what nixternal and I were emailing back and forth last night. Unless he already did. | 18:00 |
| Daskreech | jjesse-netbook: Actually gmail isn't working for me | 18:00 |
| jjesse-netbook | i think he did but forward it on anyways :) | 18:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | About the new doc structure? | 18:00 |
| jjesse-netbook | you tried to send it to my gmail address and it bounced back? | 18:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | I tried ubuntu.com and that got bounced. | 18:01 |
| jjesse-netbook | ah dont know where @ubuntu.com is trying to foward to, wonder who i have to ask about that | 18:06 |
| nixternal | jjesse-netbook: it should be trying to go to your @gmail.com addy you have registered in LP | 18:15 |
| nixternal | jjesse-netbook: you silly, it seems you let your membership stuff expire | 18:16 |
| jjesse-netbook | in ubuntu? | 18:16 |
| nixternal | ubuntu and kubuntu | 18:16 |
| jjesse-netbook | hrmm do i have o reapply and get voted on? | 18:17 |
| dtchen | heh, I hope not. I had to go through it for Ubuntu. | 18:17 |
| dtchen | and I have to go through it again. Meh. | 18:17 |
| nixternal | jjesse-netbook: were you ever a kubuntu-member? I don't see you anywhere in there | 18:19 |
| jjesse-netbook | no idea | 18:19 |
| nixternal | jjesse-netbook: you expired from ubuntu membership a year ago :) | 18:19 |
| nixternal | hahahahaha | 18:20 |
| jjesse-netbook | why does netbook slow down so much when i have more then 3 tabs open in either firefox or arora | 18:20 |
| nixternal | here you are, a leader of the community, and damnit, you aren't even a member :p | 18:20 |
| jjesse-netbook | hrmm wonder where my ntoifciations are going then | 18:20 |
| nixternal | jjesse-netbook: try rekonq | 18:20 |
| nixternal | jjesse-netbook: desktop slows down when you do that too :) | 18:20 |
| nixternal | I am really impressed with the latest rekonq | 18:20 |
| jjesse-netbook | what ubuntu address sends out the notifications | 18:21 |
| nixternal | notifications come from launchpad | 18:21 |
| jjesse-netbook | yeahneed to figure out where gmail is sending them | 18:22 |
| nixternal | my gmail used to send them to spam | 18:23 |
| nixternal | they are like noreply@launchpad.net I think | 18:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | I haven't even applied yet | 18:24 |
| nixternal | jjesse-netbook: I can't believe you never did kubuntu-membership | 18:24 |
| DarkwingDuck | I probably should LOL | 18:24 |
| jjesse-netbook | i thought i did | 18:25 |
| nixternal | 2 months of sustained contribs is all ya need | 18:25 |
| DarkwingDuck | I figured after the end of the year working with you guys | 18:25 |
| nixternal | you will be perfect then | 18:25 |
| DarkwingDuck | between you guys and the work Ive been doing with my LoCo | 18:26 |
| nixternal | I am on the RMB, so I will make sure I give you a -1 :p | 18:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | *snickers* Dang it... I just make friends ALL over :P | 18:26 |
| nixternal | lol | 18:28 |
| jjesse-netbook | yay for that -1 | 18:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | oh bosh | 18:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | why is my netbook being a *(&(*&#(ing pain? | 18:28 |
| jjesse-netbook | applied for kubuntu members | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | type end_dict_entry not a basic type | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | dbus is quite the bitch TBH | 18:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | does w3.org still have XML validation checkers? | 18:30 |
| nixternal | yes | 18:31 |
| nixternal | err, dunno about xml | 18:31 |
| nixternal | DarkwingDuck: we have an xml validator though | 18:31 |
| nixternal | xmllint --noout --noent --postvalid foo.xml | 18:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | built into the system or, a stand alone checker | 18:32 |
| nixternal | xmllint is stand alone | 18:32 |
| Daskreech | nixternal: What are the benefits of being a member? | 18:33 |
| nixternal | and for KDE docs, it is even better...if you use Kate, there is an XML validation plugin, which you can also use with our docs, but it doesn't pick up some entities | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: sweet, thx | 18:33 |
| nixternal | Daskreech: email to jjesse@ubuntu.com won't bounce for one :) | 18:33 |
| jjesse-netbook | nixternal: gmail on rekonq is telling me my cookies are disabled but according to settings in reqonk they are enbaled | 18:36 |
| nixternal | hrmm, oh | 18:37 |
| nixternal | sounds like you might be using an older rekonq than what is in backports or updates | 18:37 |
| nixternal | 0.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic2 | 18:37 |
| nixternal | that is the version I am using and it works great | 18:37 |
| jjesse-netbook | hrmm dont know if i have backports enabled | 18:37 |
| jjesse-netbook | backports for karmic? | 18:38 |
| nixternal | ya, karmic-backports is where it is | 18:38 |
| Peace- | anyone for koffice repo? | 18:38 |
| Daskreech | Gmail is messed up | 18:39 |
| Daskreech | It keeps teeling me my entity is too large | 18:39 |
| Daskreech | 1/4 of the time gmail.google.com redirects to gmail.com | 18:39 |
| Daskreech | Arh Google.com | 18:39 |
| * apachelogger thinks that nixternal could really consult with some qt dev about the qdbusargument casting crap | 18:40 | |
| DarkwingDuck | hey nixternal. It wont allow my to branch the proposed docs list. | 18:41 |
| nixternal | DarkwingDuck: ya, that's cuz it is all mine :) | 18:42 |
| nixternal | don't think you can branch other's +junk | 18:42 |
| DarkwingDuck | well gee thanks :P | 18:42 |
| nixternal | as soon as jjesse-netbook speaks up about the stuff, then it will be in lp:kubuntu-docs | 18:42 |
| DarkwingDuck | I forwarded him the emails from last night. | 18:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | although, i'm sure you did too. | 18:43 |
| nixternal | ya, he got them | 18:44 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, I'm about to shut down my phone for a while. | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | screw | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | that | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: how about some wine? | 18:45 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: excellent idea! | 18:45 |
| Nightrose | http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2009/11/21/kde-education-survey/ btw | 18:45 |
| * apachelogger goes down stairs to get corkscrew | 18:45 | |
| Nightrose | ^if anyone is using kde-edu apps please fill that out | 18:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | My name is not 'Computer Support' I do not like trouble shooting windows. and no, I will not use Win7. *sigh* | 18:46 |
| ghostcube | i take a nice nahe riesling | 18:46 |
| ghostcube | or kerner spätlese apachelogger | 18:46 |
| ghostcube | :) | 18:46 |
| jjesse-netbook | replied back, son waking up | 18:48 |
| Daskreech | OK bye guys I'm off to the wedding | 18:48 |
| nixternal | have fun | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | hurr | 18:49 |
| nixternal | you ok apachelogger ? | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | ghostcube: cabernet merlot! | 18:49 |
| nixternal | eww | 18:49 |
| ghostcube | ok :) | 18:49 |
| nixternal | mmm beer | 18:49 |
| ghostcube | nah no beer | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | pfff | 18:49 |
| ghostcube | i take a cabernet | 18:49 |
| DarkwingDuck | woot woot jjesse-netbook. Thanks | 18:49 |
| nixternal | white lightning then | 18:49 |
| DarkwingDuck | nixternal: what timezone? | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: you drink your beer and find someone to fix the qdbusargument casting in http://gitorious.org/ubuntuone-client-kde/ubuntuone-client-kde | 18:49 |
| nixternal | Chicago Standard Time :) | 18:50 |
| * apachelogger is just too stupid for that | 18:50 | |
| DarkwingDuck | :) Roger | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | woosh, now that bottle was quite difficult to open | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | what a drag | 18:51 |
| * apachelogger pours Nightrose, ghostcube and himself each a glass | 18:52 | |
| DarkwingDuck | ROFL. My 4 year old is so funny. | 18:53 |
| Nightrose | thx apachelogger :) | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot057.png <-- browser bar after trying to fix casting | 18:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | He was saying loop-de-loop. When I asked his what that was he said "A loop-de-loop is what happen when you go loop-de-loop." | 18:54 |
| ghostcube | thx apachelogger :) | 18:54 |
| ghostcube | cheers | 18:54 |
| ghostcube | : | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: do we have a fix yet? | 18:57 |
| * Nightrose hands a cookie to apachelogger and Quintasan for retweets | 18:58 | |
| Quintasan | domo | 18:58 |
| * Quintasan noms the cookie | 18:58 | |
| nixternal | not yet...I was looking at the qt docs...it looks correct sort of according to the examples | 18:58 |
| nixternal | only diff I noticed was 'arg >> foo.count >> foo.name;' | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: the documentation uses a custom struct | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | whereas I use a qmap of 2 strings | 19:00 |
| nixternal | that it does | 19:00 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: myabe related, qdbusviewer seems to be using variant_cast<QDBusArgument>(arg).currentSignature() to get the actual argument (which includes the string array), when I run currentSignature() on my arg it only spits out the dbus type | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | not the type + array | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | yet the array is inside the qdbusmessage as to be seen when sending the message to kDebug() | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: btw, what is the problem when amarok stops playback after each song? | 19:13 |
| nixternal | you look at qdbus.cpp? | 19:13 |
| tsimpson | apachelogger: maybe QDBusVariant can't handle types it doesn't already know about, so with "a{ss}" (array of dict<string, string>), a QDBusVariant (which is basically a wrapped up QVariant) never gets created... | 19:13 |
| tsimpson | that would also explain why qdbus never prints methods/signals with signatures it doesn't understand | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: nope | 19:14 |
| nixternal | QDBusArgument arg = qvariant_cast<QDBusArgument>(v) where v is (const QVariant &v) | 19:14 |
| nixternal | trying to see how it is getting done elsewhere | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: the suggests that if that would happen it just outputs another qdbusvariant | 19:15 |
| tsimpson | QDBusVariant just inherits (privately) from QVariant | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | i.e. it rescurses into qdbusvariant until it reaches some standard data type | 19:15 |
| tsimpson | yes, it *should* | 19:15 |
| tsimpson | but notice how qdbus never shows com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.SyncDaemon.SignalError, probably because it has an argument of "a{ss}" | 19:16 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: pulseaudio or gstreamer | 19:16 |
| tsimpson | but "qdbus com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon /status org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect" shows it's there | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: btw | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | me@osiris:~/src/git/ubuntuone-client-kde/qtcreator-build$ qdbus com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon /status com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Status.current_status | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | qdbus: I don't know how to display an argument of type 'a{ss}' | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | I dont think qdbus is a good example to look at :) | 19:17 |
| nixternal | ahaha, it won't show its ass | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | qdbusviewer at least is able to display the content, though not cast it into a sensible data type | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: lol | 19:18 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: qdbus.cpp only got 450 lines, considering dbus supports recursive magic I doubt that is enough code to cover all the fancy stuff you can construct with dbus | 19:19 |
| * apachelogger would think that qt provides sensible wrappers around the magic though -.- | 19:19 | |
| tsimpson | apachelogger: but if QDBusVariant could handle the types, they could just output it as a string or something | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | it does not | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | QDBusVariant is for storage really | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | from manually processing QDBV you are supposed to somehow end up with a regular QV which then can be easily converted | 19:20 |
| Quintasan | fcks, dont tell me debian netinstall witll pull GNOME | 19:24 |
| nixternal | jjesse-netbook and DarkwingDuck: lp:kubuntu-docs is the new structure now :) all empty docs..time to start fresh :) | 19:25 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you have to start the appropriate install mode :P | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | there is some alternative desktop stuff | 19:26 |
| Quintasan | GRRR | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | where you can select kde | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | though by default it will install gnome | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | cause ... you know | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | gnu/linux | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | and gnu doesnt consider kde free software | 19:26 |
| Quintasan | so I'd better install just base system | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | cause gnu is only considering gnu software free software | 19:26 |
| Quintasan | too much Stallman there | 19:26 |
| Peace- | kde? | 19:27 |
| Peace- | is free | 19:27 |
| Peace- | omg | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | tell that to stallman | 19:27 |
| Peace- | hahahhaa guy kde is under gpl | 19:27 |
| Peace- | and qt is under lgpl | 19:28 |
| Quintasan | It shows like being a fcking FOSS zealot stops whole progress | 19:28 |
| Peace- | what yoi need more | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | Peace-: it's about more than the license | 19:28 |
| Quintasan | ask Stallman | 19:28 |
| apachelogger | you see, rms is a bit like a teenage girl | 19:28 |
| Peace- | poor guy ignorance is a bad beast | 19:28 |
| Quintasan | its like asking a dumb person why he/she is dumb | 19:29 |
| Quintasan | ofc I don't mean that Stallman is dumb. | 19:29 |
| Quintasan | He's hmm, eccentric? | 19:29 |
| Peace- | Quintasan: i don't beleave stallman condiser kde not free softwar... | 19:30 |
| Peace- | infact on opengnewsense you can compile kde | 19:30 |
| Peace- | .... | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | well | 19:30 |
| Peace- | and opengnewsense is ubuntu less proprietary code. | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | you remember the into of Amarok 1.4? | 19:30 |
| Peace- | and opengnewsense it from fsf | 19:30 |
| Peace- | it's | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | matthias ettrich was wishing you a nice start with amarok 1.4 | 19:31 |
| apachelogger | we also asked rms for doing the intro, he did not feel comfortable doing it because amarok was using kde and kde is not free software (i.e. it is not gnome) | 19:31 |
| Peace- | ok i don0t feed the trool | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | real life story that is | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | from back in the days when I was working for the wolf crew :D | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: maybe we should poke mr qtdbus (thiago)? | 19:33 |
| apachelogger | though he is quite busy these days i have heared | 19:33 |
| Sput | apachelogger: I thought mono is considered free software by gnu? | 19:35 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 19:35 |
| * apachelogger doesnt really care what gnu thinks | 19:36 | |
| * apachelogger pours some more wine for Nightrose and ghostcube | 19:37 | |
| Nightrose | \o/ | 19:37 |
| apachelogger | so... is there actually good artwork on kde-look? | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | there is random photographs that are called wallpapers while indeed my math notes make for a better wallpaper, there is bad gimpwork and there are probably illegal edited half-naked ladies or at least ladies with big boobs | 19:43 |
| tsimpson | apachelogger: welcome to the internet | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | if at least there were half-naked men :P | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | maybe I should open up a group asking for that :D | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: is that moderator approved? | 19:46 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: mostly yea | 19:47 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: deleting the last mentioned type of "artwork" will meet with a protest :D | 19:47 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: email frank with links to questionable content | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: well you can take all them half-nakkid ladies :P | 19:48 |
| Quintasan | hmm doesn't KDE have something like Picasa? | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | 50 bucks >80% of them are copyrighted by someone else than the uploader | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: digikam | 19:48 |
| Quintasan | Picasa is good, but on Linux it sucks | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | which is actually superior | 19:48 |
| tsimpson | I still have krita, serves my purposes | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: maybe opendesktop needs some kind of vote-to-frontpage stuff ... like digg | 19:49 |
| Quintasan | tsimpson: Isn't Krita for drawing? | 19:49 |
| * apachelogger finds it quite silly that someone who wants to download wallpapers via plasma sees them nakkid ladies | 19:49 | |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: hmm it already has "good/bad" buttons | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | or all the other bad artwork | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | same goes for manually navigating to the website | 19:50 |
| Nightrose | and if it is below some treshold it gets deleted | 19:50 |
| tsimpson | Quintasan: it can edit images | 19:50 |
| Nightrose | so just have lots of people vote bad for it | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: well, just very very very very not shown | 19:50 |
| Nightrose | heh | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | like no real reference other than by direct URL | 19:50 |
| apachelogger | in my experience the bad artwork never gets good votes, or not a whole lot compared to the good artwork | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | so if opendesktop were to introduce a treshold for getting on the frontpage and stuff there is a good chance a) them nakkid ladies do not appear randomly and b) only good artwork gets presented | 19:51 |
| Quintasan | WTF, why we still provide Basket from KDE 3? | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | of which both would contribute to the public image of opendesktop at large | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: what else would we have? | 19:52 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: pretty stable Basket rewritten for KDE4 in Baskets SVN ofc | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:53 |
| Quintasan | s/SVN/GIT | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: you remember how I keep on ranting about how we fail to provide quality? | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | prett stable is not good enough | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | if it was stable there would be a release | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | but there is not | 19:54 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: yeah, but it's only port to KDE4, no new functions | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | so there is at least one major reason for not having it in our repos | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: so why would we want to have it anyway? | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | what difference does it make other than exposing the user to possibly untranslated strings and random crashes and data loss | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | can you name one advantage of basket KDE 4 from git over basket KDE 3 from release? | 19:56 |
| * apachelogger thinks nixternal fell alseep while looking at qtdbus documentation :D | 19:56 | |
| Quintasan | since the 2.0 is STILL under developent the only advantage is that it pulls no Qt3 and KDE3 libs, and the KDE 3 is unmaintained | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: does the user care about any of them? :P | 19:58 |
| Quintasan | Beats me. :P | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | the whole team needs to start thiking in terms of how does it benefit the user IMHO | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | arguing that KDE 3 is unmaintained is rahter wrong too, how can we have a pretty decent KDE 3 ppa on most recent karmic if KDE 3 is unmaintained | 19:59 |
| kb9vqf | ummm...because Upstream suddenly decided it was so? For no reason other than to promote KDE4? | 20:00 |
| kb9vqf | :) | 20:00 |
| kb9vqf | I have had some curious discussions with people on the kde-devel list to that effect | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | which was a reasonable move :P | 20:00 |
| kb9vqf | The point is they won't *allow* anyone to maintain it | 20:01 |
| kb9vqf | Which I find odd | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | well, it would lead to the past becoming competitor | 20:01 |
| kb9vqf | which implies that the future is worse than the past | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | no, it implies that you must force people to use the future | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | which is a very valid thing | 20:02 |
| kb9vqf | But if the future really is better, then there would be no forcing involved | 20:02 |
| * kb9vqf understands the argument quite well | 20:03 | |
| kb9vqf | and I do agree--to a point | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | kb9vqf: humans are more complex that what can be explained with logic :P | 20:03 |
| kb9vqf | True, true | 20:03 |
| kb9vqf | :) | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | which makes that whole pushing more complex too | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | most obvious would be that people generally are afraid of change, so you must push already, so that they jump over their own shadow | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | also, unless you have people use the platform you cant mature the platform | 20:04 |
| kb9vqf | Well, the problem is that KDE is pushing, yes, but in many cases they are pusing people to Windows and Mac | 20:04 |
| kb9vqf | At this time, those two platforms are more developed and polished than KDe4 is | 20:05 |
| * kb9vqf notes that people usually take the path of least resistance... | 20:05 | |
| * apachelogger notes that distros are responsible for that | 20:06 | |
| apachelogger | IMHO the foremost responsible of a distribution is to shield the user form all them bad things out there | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | that includes software that does not match the usecase | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | no matter how well advertised the inferiority might be | 20:07 |
| ghostcube | all germans here with tv and time rbb | 20:21 |
| ghostcube | :D | 20:21 |
| ghostcube | german kleinkunst festival | 20:21 |
| ghostcube | (rofl) | 20:21 |
| * apachelogger is not german and aint got no tv | 20:22 | |
| apachelogger | now I feel alianated :( | 20:22 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: will send you the slides, packing up now, Release Party is over | 20:23 |
| Quintasan | damn, I think there is something missing in panel implementation in KDE | 20:32 |
| Quintasan | if two panels are at bottom, the overlap, I don't think it should work like this | 20:33 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: do you have time to review my amarok merge? :) | 21:16 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: well, I am drunk and watching a move, but after that I can sure merge anything you can come up with | 21:17 |
| * apachelogger thinks that was how he got all his packages in back in the days when he wasnt motu nor core dev :D | 21:17 | |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: Prost. It is in bzr and the merge bug is mentioned on the overview page | 21:18 |
| apachelogger | abusing drunken people to get stuff sponsored ... actually it apparently worked :D | 21:18 |
| neversfelde | rofl | 21:18 |
| Sput | well, most of Quassel was written under the influence *g* | 21:18 |
| * apachelogger should watch more low budget movies | 21:20 | |
| apachelogger | Sput: one probably should conduct a study on that | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | how many sloc in floss were written under the influence of alcohol | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | the outcome might indeed be interesting | 21:20 |
| ghostcube | i think many stuff is written under the influence of marihuna | 21:21 |
| ghostcube | :D | 21:21 |
| ghostcube | maybe you shoukld compare the two studdies | 21:21 |
| ghostcube | o.O | 21:21 |
| * apachelogger constantly gets pulled his leg because he never tried illegal drugs :P | 21:22 | |
| apachelogger | apparently it is common in austria to "try" | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | cannot reproduce | 21:23 |
| jussi01 | Sput: affluence of incohol? | 21:25 |
| apachelogger | sounds weird | 21:27 |
| Sput | you didn't at that infamous amarok meeting in Karlsruhe? | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | nope, I stuck to cigaretts | 21:31 |
| apachelogger | that said, I quit smoking | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | again ... :D | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | Sput: though I must say, I have good memories, of what I remember :) | 21:33 |
| apachelogger | was a fun time | 21:33 |
| ghostcube | is it possible someone will add samba-vscan to his ppa | 21:39 |
| ghostcube | ? | 21:39 |
| ghostcube | i searched but in the ebox team it failed to build | 21:39 |
| Sput | apachelogger: yeah, though I remember surprisingly little about that weekend | 21:42 |
| apachelogger | Sput: I think I lost it mid-way through the metal club :) | 21:44 |
| Sput | you lost it in my living room too :> | 21:44 |
| apachelogger | oh, I remember that pretty well | 21:44 |
| Sput | yeah, we all do :) | 21:44 |
| * apachelogger has these kinds of times | 21:44 | |
| apachelogger | episodes some would call it | 21:44 |
| Sput | you earned the smacking you got | 21:45 |
| Sput | ha, we really should do something like this again | 21:45 |
| * apachelogger likes smacking TBH :P | 21:45 | |
| apachelogger | Sput: most defenitely | 21:45 |
| Sput | I could tell more stories, but those don't belong in the public :) | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | thoug, first I got to rejoin the floss world for real | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | by making a whole lecture hall at linuxtag use kubuntu | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | muhahahaha | 21:45 |
| apachelogger | Sput: :D | 21:46 |
| DarkwingDuck | hey jjesse | 21:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | jjesse, nixternal. I will be attending Camp KDE in January. http://camp.kde.org/ | 21:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | Anyone else going? | 21:56 |
| markey | apachelogger: we made some nice promotion for Timelord :) | 22:15 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: seele says I should go | 22:25 |
| Riddell | maco too, although I may have put her off | 22:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | :) I'll be there. It's no sh!^ like 10 min from my house | 22:29 |
| nixternal | I am not going as of right now, but who knows if that will change | 22:30 |
| nixternal | i like the fact it is right on pacific beach :) | 22:30 |
| nixternal | though, it would be very hard for me to get any work done there | 22:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | hehe | 22:32 |
| DarkwingDuck | k'mon Rich, you know you would love to come to san Diego again :P | 22:33 |
| nixternal | oh, without a doubt | 22:34 |
| DarkwingDuck | I just stoked that there is an event here in SD | 22:34 |
| nixternal | wish they would bring an event here to chicago | 22:35 |
| nixternal | only gnome has events here :/ | 22:35 |
| nixternal | though they got a kick out of the Kubuntu CDs I left there for them when they weren't watching :) | 22:36 |
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| ScottK | Well they got a decent kick at UDS listening to the Ayatana people explaining they are going to redo all the systray stuff for Gnome using the new KDE systray protocol. | 23:49 |
| Sput | oh? | 23:49 |
| ScottK | Yeah. The new systray protocol is going Gnome in Ubuntu 10.04 | 23:50 |
| * ScottK kind of enjoyed that session. | 23:50 | |
| Sput | eeeeeenteresting | 23:50 |
| Sput | I need to look into that | 23:50 |
| ScottK | There was also a good session between these same guys and asiego and notmart on extending it further. | 23:51 |
| ScottK | Sput: Yes, please. | 23:51 |
| Sput | and find a way to do that while still staying compatible to other/older platforms | 23:51 |
| Sput | is the new systray protocol the same thing as KNotificationItem (aka KStatusNotifierItem)? | 23:51 |
| Sput | I get confused by those things all the time | 23:52 |
| ScottK | yes. | 23:52 |
| ScottK | That's the one | 23:52 |
| Sput | hmmm ok | 23:53 |
| Sput | so I could check for that lib being present and use that, else the old stuff | 23:53 |
| Sput | not at runtime though | 23:53 |
| ScottK | Something like that. | 23:53 |
| ScottK | Reasonable | 23:53 |
| Sput | mmmhm. | 23:55 |
| Sput | my TODO list gets longer and longer :( | 23:56 |
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