=== yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:26] loadus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/all/oxygen-icon-theme/filelist [00:26] Riddell: Thanks muchos [00:27] neversfelde: that'll be koffice 2.1.0 tars [00:48] Riddell: ping\ [00:48] Riddell: did you approve JontheEchidna's upload of the touchpad config? [00:48] JontheEchidna: what's the package called? [00:49] rgreening: kcm-touchpad, I've not seen it be accepted yet [00:49] Riddell: said he would go and accept it.... [00:49] Riddell: build started [00:49] * rgreening shouts RIDDELL!!! [00:50] :) [00:50] no hurry, we still have like 3 months before feature freeze :P [00:50] JontheEchidna: i want to install it :) [00:50] haha [00:50] lol [00:51] rgreening: hmm? [00:52] :P [00:52] * rgreening pokes Riddell with a big stick.. yep, he's alive [01:07] If someone with packaging experience has time and interest and an IPv6 connection, could they simultaneously help me with a package split and test Kobby (lambda.ryanak.ca port 6523). [01:07] JontheEchidna: hmm, this kcm-touchpad has inconsistent licencing [01:08] it has a copy of the GPL 2 but the .cpp and .h files are MIT [01:08] * JontheEchidna thought that was BSD [01:10] it's more like MIT or X11 http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy [01:10] JontheEchidna: I'll reject this, please change debian/copyright to say that it's GPL 2 (since that's what we have to assume from the inclusion of the file) except for the files which are whatever it is [01:10] and you should change the last line not to say BSD [01:11] ok [01:18] Riddell: would this be acceptable? http://paste.ubuntu.com/323938/ === vorian is now known as v === v is now known as vorian [02:06] http://imagebin.ca/view/lDjIIA.html [02:30] apachelogger: Awake? [02:51] Hmm weird I'm using konqueror to read an article about Kubuntu that's complaining that Konqueror can't load the site [02:51] >_> [02:51] Slashsdot takes 7 minutes to load? [03:00] Dolphin not auto updating is true [03:06] Daskreech: link? I need something to read, bored here ") [03:38] claydoh: http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/11/review-kde-one-year-later.html [03:39] Curses! === yofel_ is now known as yofel [03:43] apachelogger: as regards to your musing on what Kubuntu should be in terms of providing what is needed for the user. I just had a look at the Perfect Kubuntu Desktop 9.10 setup and the first steps are to replace nearly all the KDE apps === manny__ is now known as mannyv [04:27] Daskreech: That's why I keep KDE3 around... :) [04:28] * kb9vqf ducks [04:29] slashdot takes 10 seconds to load in KDE3's Konqueror [04:47] hi all, I just learned about the Project Timelord, so how can I get started helping out here :) [04:52] JontheEchidna: looks good [06:25] jjesse and DarkwingDuck: I have created a bzr branch under my personal +junk in LP. I will send out an email to the both of you with details... if you can please, do not commit nor plan to commit to lp:kubuntu-docs, as I would like to wipe it out this weekend and upload my proposed changes if you guys approve of the new layout....I have the build system working already, and all docs are empty right now...which means we will be writing f [06:28] writing f... :P [06:28] hehe [06:29] you need to make your name a bit easier to find...thankfully you used it in your GPG key :) [06:29] :) [06:29] Actually, that and the whois on darkwingduck.org are the only ways to find my name [06:30] Anyway, I don't think I have access to commit to kubuntu-docs unless you added me... [06:38] you will have it soon enough [06:38] I need to figure out just how to go about doing so...I think I have the powers, I just want to be clear there is nothing I need to do ahead of time [06:39] you have mail btw :) [06:39] Yeah. My BB just freaked out [06:39] hehe [06:39] Oh yeah, I get email 24/7 [06:39] my BB has been dead quiet [06:39] I like it when it is like that [06:40] agreed [06:40] 30E76E19 [06:41] ok, so as soon as jjesse and you yay/nay the proposed stuff, I can get it in lp:kubuntu-docs and procede to kicking some doc butt for Lucid [06:41] is that supposed to make something easy for BB users? the pin that is, besides the chat tool? [06:43] I can't even remember how to find my pin :) [06:43] Vice giving out a phone number. YOu can text via PIN as I don't use the chat [06:43] Options>status [06:43] ahh, there it is [06:43] 302A16ED [06:49] nixternal: +1 [06:50] It's a bit simpler then it was but, it doesn't lack structure. [06:50] You can find things a bit better IMO [06:51] groovy [06:51] ya, the old package has a lot of cruft left over when all of the docs (ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu...) were all build from one source [06:51] s/build/built/ [06:52] I just realized my template has identation, and I am not a fan of indentation because of all the years I have worked on KDE docs [06:52] do you use indentation when writing documentation? [06:52] I think jjesse tends to as well, and 2 > 1 :) [06:53] I'm not a fan as I get lost. [06:53] ooh, so we win then :) [06:53] I think it's left over from my bad PERL programming days [06:53] :D [06:53] groovy, I will fix that before I do a final commit [06:54] Okay. [06:54] For the netbook side I'll find and add the differences into the one XML document. [06:54] I think just the variation of the GUI is the main issue [06:56] But, I want to branch out form there and be a full on Kubuntu doc guy [07:05] Okay, off to play hockey then to bed. [07:41] DarkwingDuck: oh ya, I figured that once you got the netbook stuff at least there, then you would be helping elsewhere with the docs [07:41] I just committed into my +junk branch the modeline changes for indentation for emacs, vim, and kate [07:42] and on that note, it is time to lay down and try to fall asleep [08:18] mm [08:18] nn [08:18] mplayerthumbs installed by default? [08:18] why it's not installed like on sabayon [08:19] how is that installed in Sabayon then? [08:19] i have a live cd of sabayon [08:19] and by default there is [08:19] so dolphin can do video audio preview [08:20] Peace-: hmm, sorry but what you are asking exactly? you lost me there [08:21] it not a question... properly [08:21] it's why on kubuntu is missing a lots of stuff [08:22] i mean partition manager for example [08:23] why on dolphin search bar is not shown [08:23] by default and why up buttons is not shown [08:23] everytime i have to install kubuntu and make a lots of work to get it [08:24] is not this timelord channel? [08:25] and this fucking Nepomuck and stringi kubuntu 9.10 Strigi service failed to initialize, most likely due to an installation problem [08:25] everytime i have to fix it [08:26] Peace-: please no cursing [08:26] Peace-: also I should remind that many developers are in UDS, that means they are sleeping now (or should be) [08:27] Tm_T: well maybe you right but it's very sad that this distro had so much problem [08:27] Peace-: hmmm, true that, though I haven't noticed others having those problems you mention [08:28] Tm_T mplayerthumbs is installed by default on your system? [08:28] Peace-: not that I know [08:29] Tm_T: and networking problem like always asking for passwornd on wifi network? [08:30] kdenlive that doesn't work properly with intel card with the "stable video driver " [08:31] you have to fix libdrm2 and other 2 packages because if you keep the stable driver kdenlive doesn't shown magnetic arrows [08:31] and quassel ? that doens't work like konversation then... [08:32] how it doesn't work? [08:32] quassel simply doesn't work well [08:33] how it doesn't work? [08:33] have you tried quassel and then konversation? [08:33] just try it [08:33] and omg i will never go back to quassel [08:33] unconfortable [08:34] and with a lots of bug for me [08:34] i mean omg i can't read well what the people write [08:34] expecially if it is a long sentence [08:35] i have just removed it [08:35] and dolphin with the video preview... [08:35] omg it's pity [08:36] Peace-: I haven't noticed anyone other complaining that Quassel doesn't work [08:36] Tm_T: quassel omg i will install it onemore time only to get some screenshot of its stupid bugs [08:37] that make me hate it [08:37] well to work it works but not properly like konversation [08:37] konversation is like k3b [08:37] Peace-: how it works better [08:38] Tm_T: are you using it ? [08:38] Peace-: no I'm not, that's why I'm asking [08:38] it's not mature [08:39] i can't understand why it get included on kubuntu iso when there was konversation [08:39] so how it is not mature? [08:39] Tm_T: for example like i said it doesn t show properly long sentence [08:40] Peace-: then I wonder others haven't complained about it [08:40] it doesn't support away status by default [08:40] doesn't support? [08:40] yeah i mean it was so funny write /away [08:40] and get nothing by quassel [08:40] nothing? you mean your nick didn't change? [08:40] no hahahah [08:41] what then you did expect? [08:41] my nick changed into away status? [08:41] ... that should be default? over my dead body [08:42] really, that whould be really bad default [08:42] that's i mean when it's not mature [08:42] sorry I don't follow you again [08:43] can you explain me clearly what was expected behaviour and what was different in results [08:43] why i have to spend a lots of time to set a new software when there is another that do everything you need by default [08:43] now i will write /away [08:43] yes? [08:43] so i get the away status [08:44] yes? [08:44] do the same on quassel and it doesn't work [08:44] . [08:44] how it doesn't work? [08:44] are you kidding me? [08:44] if you do "/away I'm gone" you get away status with "I'm gone" right? [08:45] like i imaged i waste of time [08:45] i will do the same like always...i will use remastersys to create my own ultimate kubuntu iso [08:46] made for who use kde normally [08:48] Peace-: maybe you just need to repost your issues when some other is here, as I apparently cannot get my brains running today [10:45] DarkwingDuck: what it does is overly stupid [10:45] DarkwingDuck: ah, was meant for someone else, sry :) [10:45] * apachelogger is not completely awake it seems [10:54] qt4.6rc1 has been released, but it seems that lucid is still with b1. someone is working on it? [11:09] Riddell: I was thinking about backporting the new debhelper (and I'm doing it). Do you think it could go into backports? In this way it should be easy backporting from lucid === Squt is now known as Sput [12:30] JontheEchidna: I think rekonq should have as: build-depends quilt [12:31] JontheEchidna: sorry, it already has it :) [12:48] maco: there is a new upstream minitube bugfix release, I uploaded that to revu [13:07] * apachelogger should be learning for exam next week but feels like fixing that dbus stuff in ubuntuone [13:08] oh my oh my [13:08] Tm_T: mom!!!! I need a qt dbus master [13:08] where to get one? [13:10] look into your closet maybe? [13:13] hello [13:14] uhm [13:14] oh dear [13:14] * apachelogger hugs Sput [13:15] * Sput rehugs apachelogger [13:17] if you cant get something out of the closet, why not send the whole thing [13:17] SLOT(UploadStarted(QDBusMessage)) [13:17] interestingly enough that seems to be triggering the slot [13:17] * fale is backporting qt4.6 [13:18] apachelogger: in lucid there is qt4.6b1 :( [13:18] fale: I would suppose someone needs to update it ;) [13:18] apachelogger: I think it too ;) [13:18] apachelogger: my dput can not upload more than ~20mb :( [13:27] apachelogger: is possible to upload not as ftp? [13:28] fale: I dont think so [13:29] apachelogger: I see.. thank I'll wait for someone who has better connettivity :) [13:29] * apachelogger finds that rather awful anyway, uploads should be done via sftp [13:29] fale: I can upload [13:29] * apachelogger doesnt need any bandwith while haxx0ring the dbus :P [13:29] that would be cool :) [13:29] ClientApplet(5394) Applet::UploadStarted: (QVariant(QString, "/home/me/Ubuntu One/foo6") ) [13:29] ClientApplet(5394) Applet::UploadStarted: QString [13:29] ClientApplet(5394) Applet::UploadStarted: "/home/me/Ubuntu One/foo6" [13:29] dput works with ftp or sftp? [13:29] Sput: srsly, you are ze awesomest dood ever [13:30] fale: technically dput works with just about anything, its just that the incoming server only support ftp [13:30] apachelogger: what did I do! [13:30] fale: anyhow, where would I dget from? [13:30] Sput: you made me realize the obvious :P [13:30] hehe :) [13:30] apachelogger: I see :( than my ISP cuts the ftp connections :s [13:30] I have no idea how, but whatever turns your boat, as they say [13:31] apachelogger: debian has it: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=qt&searchon=names&suite=experimental§ion=all [13:31] fale: I suppose we need to merge though? [13:32] * JontheEchidna thinks Lex79 may have already been doing the 4.6 rc1 merge/update [13:32] apachelogger: I guess the .orig.tar.gz would be the same, isn't it? [13:32] oh, cool :) [13:32] Not totally certain, but you may want to check with him unless you just like practicing :P [13:32] JontheEchidna: filed a couple of bugs for backports :) [13:32] Sput: my closet door doesnt open that easily, much like a safe as I noticed yesterday whilest being drunk, and that lead me to consider stealing a safe rather than opening it onsight [13:33] i.e. I wasnt able to obtain a qdbusmessage's content right away, so I just call-by-reference the qdbusmessage object and break it inside a function [13:33] which is pretty ingenious and pretty obviuos at the same time [13:33] JontheEchidna: the point is that I cannot upload that much, than someone else (apachelogger) should do that... than would be better to don't do multiple time the same thing :) [13:34] yeah... I feel your pain. My ISP does similarly [13:34] JontheEchidna: that's ugly :( [13:34] apachelogger: I like how you think :) [13:34] technically I can upload more than 20 MB, but the chances of things failing gets higher the bigger the size of the package [13:34] glad to have been of service [13:34] For large packages it just stops before uploading the last byte [13:35] your ISPs suck :) [13:35] Sput: I might still have a bit alcohol in my blood, thinking about it it was weird thinking :D [13:35] JontheEchidna: I tried a dosens times with boost (~25mb) and have always failed :( [13:35] JontheEchidna: yes, I have the same last-byte problem :( [13:36] JontheEchidna: wouldn't be enough to activate sftp? [13:36] I don't know how to do that [13:37] * fale was going to die when he saw that launchpad sent him 3 mails thinking that the qt backported has failed :S [13:37] JontheEchidna: is a server option [13:42] is possible to put a patch during the backport? [13:57] fale: possible but not very much liked [13:57] the patch should be applied to lucid I suppose [13:57] apachelogger: the point is that if I backport 4.6 it will ovrewrite 4.5, while it could be usefull to stay into a different path [13:58] actually [13:58] just came to think of it [13:58] arent we in the process of establishing a spec that actually suggest backporting qt is bad? [13:59] apachelogger: mmm really? why? ehre? [13:59] *where? [13:59] bad experience [13:59] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy [14:00] Major Qt versions will not be put in -proposed, -updates, or -backports [14:00] for that reason I thought that was better to change path... but if there is a direct policy... np... it will wait until 10.04 [14:08] weeeeeeh [14:08] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot055.png [14:08] JontheEchidna: ^ [14:09] fale: well, trust me, changing path is even more risk [14:09] I see === bdefreese2 is now known as bddebian [14:16] * ScottK waves. [14:16] apachelogger: Thanks for noticing the updates policy [14:16] Dunno if everyone heard, but we did get agreement from Canonical for Kubuntu 10.04 to be LTS. [14:17] Also Ayatana had a meeting with the plasma team on some things they want to do and it seems there is very good agreement. [14:18] * ScottK is going to shut down now to pack up and get to the airport. [14:55] Riddell: I uploaded koffice to the ninja ppa and prepared the news for kubuntu.org. I will do some upgrade tests now and then I'll have to leave and will be offline till saturday. [15:31] apachelogger: woaha, kewl [15:45] Riddell: upgrade test went fine [15:48] general question-- what do I call my desktop if I have kde and gnome mixed? "working" [15:52] dailystruggle: messed up? [15:53] but it works great [15:53] I just have a longer list of credits [16:07] jtechidna: feel free to hack around a bit :P [16:08] dailystruggle: woah, must be hardcore to use plasma for the desktop and gnome-panel for the panel [16:08] wurgh [16:08] anyone here knows how to modifiy the dolphin configuration file to get filter bar shown by default [16:08] for every users? [16:09] Peace-: remove present config, open dolphin, add bar, quit dolphin, use nu config [16:09] Peace-: add FilterBar=true [16:09] actually I use cairo dock and kde for start and gnome for some random [16:09] items [16:10] dont understand [16:10] anyhow [16:10] thats ok not textbook setup [16:10] time to introduce an apachelogger class we can use across kubuntuware :P [16:11] I use for public displays and very durable [16:13] some issues when new user account created but for display only [16:14] like they say "this is a test, only a test, in case this actually happens please contact someone smart to help you" === GREEK is now known as Guest70451 [16:17] I think the wise thing for me is to install and show people basic how to- then show them the pay support channels [16:18] that sound right ?? [16:19] проблемы не как не могу заканектится через кубунту. не как не находит сети === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan [16:37] neversfelde: thank y apachelogger thank you too i was missing [General] [16:37] :) [16:54] Nightrose: how can I help with NEON? [16:55] Quintasan: \o/ apachelogger will know what needs doing exactly [16:55] i'll be greatful to eternity if you help with that [16:55] apachelogger: ping * over 9000 times [16:55] * Nightrose really really needs amarok trunk again [16:57] well, thank you [16:58] * apachelogger just got lost in the casting insanity here [16:58] hehe [16:58] did I ever mention how neon is built on my account :P [16:58] time to get it away from there i guess [16:58] kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger [16:58] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. [16:58] Quintasan: go checkout the neon branch somewhere on launchpad [16:58] honestly neon is important for kubuntu [16:58] it would be good to get it back [17:01] const QDBusArgument &operator>>(const QDBusArgument &argument, QMap &map) [17:01] that is so not going to work [17:01] apachelogger: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/extragear/multimedia/amarok/supplementary_scripts/neon/? [17:01] Quintasan: launchpad [17:01] ahh [17:02] got it [17:05] apachelogger: ^ [17:06] somewhere in the code there is some definition for what name and email it uses to sign stuff [17:06] then you need to add a project-neon config to your dput uploading to some ppa [17:06] and then you need to switch all occurances of jaunty to karmic [17:06] then invoke ./amarok.rb all and see where that gets you [17:07] Just for the record: t-mobile hotspot service login page works in Konqueror, but not Firefox. [17:07] oh and you need to copy a crap load of packages from the project-neon ppa [17:07] most importantly the -cdbs and -tools packages [17:10] apachelogger: WHoot! :) [17:10] apachelogger: are you sure you didn't use some monkey coding tricks in there? can't find anything apart from ssh+svn [17:10] nvm [17:10] got it [17:12] Anyone on KDE 4.3.3 has Phonon working? [17:14] lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_xine.so: undefined symbol: [17:15] I'm seeing a few instances of it pop up on the net [17:16] phonon seems to be working fine here [17:16] Daskreech: what symbol is undefined? [17:17] Umm hold on let me pull up the search [17:17] undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData13detach_helperEPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Ei [17:17] that looks like a Qt function [17:18] do you have a custom Qt install? [17:18] undefined symbol: _ZN18QNetworkProxyQueryC1ERK4QUrlNS_9QueryTypeE [17:18] Nope [17:18] At least none I installed [17:19] Daskreech: What Qt are you using? [17:19] Though my last update did install mostly Qt stuff [17:19] From which PPA? [17:19] KDE 4.3.3 experimental I would suppose [17:20] 4.6.0~rc1 [17:20] 4.5.3really4.5.2 is in the normal repos [17:20] That's a sign you are running something built against Qt 4.6 beta that wasn't rebuilt for RC 1. [17:21] All that stuff in the Experimental repo needs to be rebuilt. [17:21] apachelogger: ^^^ Can you find a minion for this? I'm about to get on a plane. [17:21] * apachelogger is lost in casting [17:21] Daskreech: That's the problem ^^^. [17:22] Quintasan: stop playing with the neon, experimental is broken! [17:22] Thanks. [17:22] /home/me/src/git/ubuntuone-client-kde/src/applet.cpp:89: error: ‘qDBusRegisterMetaType’ was not declared in this scope [17:22] haha [17:22] they wanna screw with my head [17:22] but not with me, no sir! [17:22] apachelogger: kay, whatever, and what's with the dput config? [17:22] * apachelogger better gets some tea before he starts randomly including stuff [17:23] Quintasan: either you change the entry in neon or you add an appropriate section to your dput config [17:23] apachelogger: it's in the file with DEBNAME or somewhere else? [17:24] apachelogger: btw, I had to create FindLibKNotificationItem-1.cmake in cmake/modules/ to compile the code (it's not in our packages) [17:25] also our /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPhonon.cmake does not find phonon [17:25] apachelogger: nvm, I found it, it will put stuff into my ppa :P [17:30] DarkwingDuck: ok on netbook youcan send me ping [17:33] oh man how I'd like to have working Shaman instead of using KPK :/ === jjesse-netbook_ is now known as jjesse-netbook [17:38] QT_ZLIB_LIBRARY (ADVANCED) NOTFOUND <--- Cmake issue or missing depends? [17:41] Flight boarding, so see you all later. [17:48] tsimpson: oh, forgot to git add the findlibknotificationitem [17:50] Bye ScottK [17:55] I'm casting in the rain, I'm casting in the rain, what a glorious feeling I am happy again [17:55] if only the casting was successful :| [17:59] Hey jjesse-netbook, what is your email address? [17:59] jjesse @ gmail dot com [17:59] kk [18:00] apachelogger: I just presented Project Timelord at the Swiss Karmic Release Party :) [18:00] hrmm who do i ask about fixing my @ubuntu.com email? apparently its not working [18:00] I'll forward to you what nixternal and I were emailing back and forth last night. Unless he already did. [18:00] jjesse-netbook: Actually gmail isn't working for me [18:00] i think he did but forward it on anyways :) [18:00] About the new doc structure? [18:00] you tried to send it to my gmail address and it bounced back? [18:01] I tried ubuntu.com and that got bounced. [18:06] ah dont know where @ubuntu.com is trying to foward to, wonder who i have to ask about that [18:15] jjesse-netbook: it should be trying to go to your @gmail.com addy you have registered in LP [18:16] jjesse-netbook: you silly, it seems you let your membership stuff expire [18:16] in ubuntu? [18:16] ubuntu and kubuntu [18:17] hrmm do i have o reapply and get voted on? [18:17] heh, I hope not. I had to go through it for Ubuntu. [18:17] and I have to go through it again. Meh. [18:19] jjesse-netbook: were you ever a kubuntu-member? I don't see you anywhere in there [18:19] no idea [18:19] jjesse-netbook: you expired from ubuntu membership a year ago :) [18:20] hahahahaha [18:20] why does netbook slow down so much when i have more then 3 tabs open in either firefox or arora [18:20] here you are, a leader of the community, and damnit, you aren't even a member :p [18:20] hrmm wonder where my ntoifciations are going then [18:20] jjesse-netbook: try rekonq [18:20] jjesse-netbook: desktop slows down when you do that too :) [18:20] I am really impressed with the latest rekonq [18:21] what ubuntu address sends out the notifications [18:21] notifications come from launchpad [18:22] yeahneed to figure out where gmail is sending them [18:23] my gmail used to send them to spam [18:23] they are like noreply@launchpad.net I think [18:24] I haven't even applied yet [18:24] jjesse-netbook: I can't believe you never did kubuntu-membership [18:24] I probably should LOL [18:25] i thought i did [18:25] 2 months of sustained contribs is all ya need [18:25] I figured after the end of the year working with you guys [18:25] you will be perfect then [18:26] between you guys and the work Ive been doing with my LoCo [18:26] I am on the RMB, so I will make sure I give you a -1 :p [18:26] *snickers* Dang it... I just make friends ALL over :P [18:28] lol [18:28] yay for that -1 [18:28] oh bosh [18:28] why is my netbook being a *(&(*&#(ing pain? [18:29] applied for kubuntu members [18:29] type end_dict_entry not a basic type [18:29] dbus is quite the bitch TBH [18:30]