[01:50] <researcher> Hello friends. I m just new here.anybody got edubuntu in Indian languages?
[18:08]  * Ahmuck is thinking about traveling to canada.  any suggestions?
[18:27] <jussi01> does edubuntu include applications for educators?
[18:28] <jussi01> and is there some where I can find a list of apps inlcuded?
[19:01] <dgroos> jussi01: interesting question...
[19:01] <dgroos> what kind of apps are you talking about?
[19:01] <dgroos> (referring to the first of your questions here...)
[19:02] <jussi01> dgroos: I was thinking of report writing apps, lesson planning apps etc
[19:02] <jussi01> dgroos: ie. http://www.schooltool.org/
[20:06] <dgroos> jussi01: I must admit I've not used it as my district has its own tools for these critical tasks.
[20:07] <dgroos> I've heard good things about schooltools and about Tom Hoffman's work.  As I understand he is good at communicating and would be happy to answer your questions.
[20:08] <dgroos> There are other tools as well for teachers who manage the learning environment.  For example there is Sabayon--recently brought up to speed by sbalneav.
[20:09] <dgroos> This app helps manage the permissions of users and I think he said he now has it so that you can manage users by groups?
[20:11] <dgroos> Somewhat related is a particular file on the filesystem so that you can customize it and thereby manage users Firefox preferences.
[20:13] <dgroos> Of course there is Moodle which is a pretty full-featured CMS (perhaps included on the install disk--I heard talk about considering doing this).
[20:14] <dgroos> I prefer Plone as my CMS however, more generic and malleable and looks lots nicer.  That is also open source though not part of Edubuntu.
[20:15] <dgroos> I really like CmapTools and CmapServer which are powerful tools, the former adding awesome online capabilities of sharing and collaboration.
[20:23] <dgroos> Finally, these folks in Finland recently came out with their scaffolding 'knowledge building' software that is a WordPress plugin--here's a demo to it: http://fle4.uiah.fi/2009/08/demo-of-kb/
[20:24] <dgroos> The user and group admin app is pretty weak in general and is currently, probably, the weakest link for me in the whole system.
[20:25] <dgroos> There is I'm sure a list of apps included though I've not seen it.  Anyone?
[21:08] <highvoltage> WIDGTT?
[21:10] <dgroos> hmmm... that means?
[21:10] <highvoltage> Who Is DGroos Talking To? :)
[21:10] <highvoltage> hey there dgroos
[21:11] <dgroos> High hivoltage!
[21:11] <dgroos> himself, usually ;)
[21:11] <highvoltage> I see I'm not the only one up late!
[21:11] <dgroos> Well... I just admit that it is only 3:11 in the afternoon here...
[21:11] <dgroos> You are in Germany?
[21:12] <highvoltage> dgroos: close (timezone-wise), South Africa
[21:12] <highvoltage> dgroos: for some reason I thought you were in Europe
[21:12] <dgroos> Ah right! I knew that...
[21:13] <dgroos> Well, several generations ago that would have been true...
[21:13] <dgroos> but then I guess pretty much everyone is from somewhere else if you go back far enough.
[21:14] <dgroos> So, I've been asked this before, where can I get a list of apps included in an edubuntu version?
[21:15] <highvoltage> we should have a web page for that
[21:15] <dgroos> (I should probably just let you finish what you are doing so you could go to bed...)
[21:15] <highvoltage> it's a good and typical question which we don't really have answered somewhere atm
[21:15] <highvoltage> heh no worries
[21:16] <dgroos> a web page would be good...
[21:16] <highvoltage> hmm there's http://www.edubuntu.org/applications but it's in serious need of updating
[21:17] <dgroos> How hard would it be for the ubuntu web site to have some wysiwyg editing options?  That would not only make it a site
[21:17] <highvoltage> I usually tell people it's KDE-Edu, Gcompris, Tux4kids and a few other loose edu apps
[21:17] <highvoltage> dgroos: I've been wondering whether Wordpress wouldn't be better in terms of editing and maintenance
[21:17] <dgroos> ... friendlier to semi-techies, but also would allow us to more easily have better looking pages.
[21:17] <highvoltage> drupal has better social networking tools and functionality
[21:18] <highvoltage> but it doesn't help us if we're never going to use it anyway
[21:18] <dgroos> That is true :)
[21:18] <dgroos> It's a bit of the chicken vs egg conundrum--hard to have one without the other...
[21:20] <highvoltage> I think there are some wysiwyg plugins for drupal we could try out as well, although I think the current drupal installation is very outdated
[21:20] <highvoltage> that's one thing that I like about wordpress as well, it's so simple to keep up to date
[21:22] <dgroos> hmmm... would this be a moment to put out a plug for Plone...?  It is hugely extensible, a mature open source project and vigorously improveing, excellent security (at least according to those in the know) and looks good.
[21:23] <dgroos> here's my favorite plone site: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov
[21:23] <highvoltage> I like the vigorously improving part... but I'm sceptical on the rest :)
[21:23] <highvoltage> Ubuntu's site used to run on Plone
[21:23] <dgroos> Really!?
[21:24] <highvoltage> it fell over and they couldn't get it back up again... and that's with Canonical even having lots of great python/zope/etc people
[21:24] <highvoltage> yep, it was plone right from the start
[21:24] <highvoltage> and then they switched to moin
[21:24] <highvoltage> and then drupal
[21:24] <dgroos> when was that?  I've used it in my classroom since 2005.  It really is quite slick but once again, it takes a learning curve :-(
[21:25] <dgroos> Right.  It can be a drag when Things Go Bad...
[21:27] <dgroos> You know... I just got this right now: highvoltage: WIDGTT?
[21:27] <dgroos> [3:10pm] dgroos: hmmm... that means?
[21:27] <dgroos> [3:10pm] highvoltage: Who Is DGroos Talking To?
[21:27] <dgroos> slow on the uptake :-)
[21:31] <dgroos> that was Jussi01, I thought, though rather asynchronously.
[21:34] <highvoltage> hehe