[00:03] woohoo, I am actually writing fresh Kubuntu documentation...believe it or not! :) [00:03] Woohoo. [00:04] totally deleted all previous Kubuntu documentation and started a brand new layout from scratch [00:28] amichair: ping [00:30] howdy y'all [00:31] Howdy txwikinger. Make it home OK? [00:31] Howdy ScottK... yes made it home [00:31] and you? [00:31] Yep. Got home about two hours ago. [00:32] Yeah.. I was here 4 hours ago but thought it would be wise to spend some quality time with family [00:35] * txwikinger wonders if he should update the 170+ packages that come up in update manager since the beginning of the week [00:41] http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/11/pulseaudio-phonon-support-now-in-kde-trunk-and-heading-towards-4-4/ <- we may not have to do much of anything for the PA section of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidPackaging [00:47] Handy [00:49] keep in mind that the longer Kubuntu continues not to ship PA, the more work it ends up being for everyone [00:50] which is ok, I suppose, for Kubuntu but rather hellish for people trying to get one stack [00:54] dtchen: Given that it will be supported upstream now, I think it's probably reasonable to look pretty hard at shipping it in Lucid +1. I don't think there's any chance of getting consensus around making it default for Lucid. [00:55] ScottK: right, I don't expect it to make it into Kubuntu or Xubuntu (or Lubuntu or $whatever) for Lucid [00:56] I just wish people would stop whining about it already and help fix it [00:57] eww, PA [00:57] :p [00:58] * nixternal will continue whining cuz he can :) [00:58] yeah, I'm about to join you. [00:58] haha, you can't join me mr. sound dude [00:58] only 1 whiner per community [00:58] oh yes I can. Watch me. [00:58] 10.04 is going to ROCK for me, because it'll be SEP. [00:59] dude, this generic dr. pepper, tastes just like dr. pepper [00:59] they all do; they're going to kill us all in the end ;-) [00:59] hehe [01:00] dr. pepper was my hurdle in the "stop drinking soda" campaign I launched at the beginning of this year [01:00] I have done really good too, as I pretty much just drink water all of the time, except for coffee in the morning and chocolate milk after a bike ride [01:00] what kind of generic dr pepper isn't soda?! [01:01] i went to the grocery store and they gave me a free can to try [01:01] brb...gotta go to the store and try to pick up some cold weather cycling gear [01:47] hi nixternal [02:01] evening [02:02] Yes, it is (at least here) === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: The Doctor thinks that Kubuntu is awesome | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLucidSpecs | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/LucidKDEMerges [02:25] but *which* Doctor? [02:25] the tenth is already out, and the eleventh is just stepping in [02:25] surely not the eighth -- no one likes Paul [02:26] * dtchen goes back to debugging Fedora kernels :/ === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [04:10] ok, who thought it would be funny to have an ugly ass orange/brown air wallpaper in Lucid? [04:10] for some reason, I am reminded of rootbeer lollipops [04:11] LOL === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter_work [04:16] hehe [04:19] * JontheEchidna wants a rootbeer lollipop :( [04:20] ~order root beer lollipop [04:20] * kubotu slides root beer lollipop down the bar to JontheEchidna [04:20] :D [04:21] 'night all [04:31] nixternal: oooo i <3 rootbeer [04:34] Some shots of our awesome community, including our fearless leader in a kilt+ sombrero... :D http://www.flickr.com/photos/8413078@N02/sets/72157622726510357/ [04:34] rootbeer == yuk! [04:39] woooo back home :) === shtylman__ is now known as shtylman [07:03] morning [07:03] morning markey son [07:29] JontheEchidna: you rang? [07:45] did others see yesterdays rants from Peace? === DarkwingDuck_ is now known as DarkwingDuck [08:39] jjesse-netbook: jjesse: Ping [10:13] apachelogger: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1135-Kubuntu-Karmic-Release-Party-Puzzle-ITC.html [10:14] :) [10:14] Timelord goodness [11:35] * apachelogger stumbles in [11:35] weeeeeeeeh [11:35] tsimpson, nixternal: my demarshalling was all wrong [11:36] the demarshalling needs to take into account that it is demarshalling to a map [11:36] * apachelogger just had that epiphany while brewing tea :D [11:37] markey: hehe, cool :* [11:37] :> [11:37] spread it :) [11:37] the more promotion -> the better [11:41] "qdbus_cast< QMap >(qvariant_cast(message.arguments().first()));" [11:41] still ugly [11:44] QHash status = qdbus_cast(message.arguments()[0]); [11:44] as a matter of fact qhash is doing faster lookup than qmap, and since we dont need the entries to be stored in a particluar order qhash is superior [11:45] right, I just sort of "default" to QMap :p [11:45] meh I hate not having comments on my blogs. you could write something like, "Mmmmh, yummy pizza!" [11:45] or something ;) [11:46] tsimpson: go write comment on markey's blog post [11:46] tsimpson: go write comment on markey's blog post [11:46] moi needs to haxx up them if conditions [11:48] apachelogger, markey: done :) [11:48] apachelogger, tsimpson: thanks :) [11:49] that pizza really was yummy, btw [11:49] it's making me hungry looking at it [11:51] tsimpson: thanks :) [11:51] * apachelogger hugs tsimpson and hands him an empty qmap to play with [11:52] I blame pythons, makes programmers lazy [11:52] s/programmers/me/ [11:57] yes, ruby > python [11:59] tsimpson: http://gitorious.org/ubuntuone-client-kde/ubuntuone-client-kde/commit/509745c3b38a5f67eb95412c5e362ee6a8e478fc [12:03] apachelogger: you should check that message.signature() == "a{ss}" though right? [12:09] tsimpson: there is a special error state [12:10] hah [12:10] http://imagebin.ca/view/W6ADQ8Yg.html [12:10] them tooltips are fancy :D [12:10] * apachelogger likes that new knotificationitem stuff :D [12:11] aww [12:38] uuah [12:38] it seems I can not edit icon search paths -.- === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:26] tsimpson: ping [13:26] apachelogger: pong [13:27] tsimpson: the gnome applet does manually fiddle with its visiblity ... I do think that we do not need to do that stuff for the superior knotificatonitem [13:27] since its main difference from old ksystrayicon is the advanced visibility setting anyway [13:27] do you agree with that? [13:27] anybody know how to get backports approval for digikam? we are shipping beta5 in karmic and it hase some crasher issues [13:28] we really should deliver beta6 to users asap [13:28] * apachelogger thinks that implementing a visibility setting would actually duplicate what the kni states and plasma systray are for [13:28] Lure: file a backport request [13:28] Riddell: ^^^ [13:28] apachelogger: I did, but no progress [13:28] apachelogger: yeah, I've been looking over the doc at http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKStatusNotifierItem.html [13:28] (it's name changed) [13:28] Lure: poke ScottK or NCommander, they can approve backports [13:30] apachelogger: bug 481851 [13:30] Launchpad bug 481851 in karmic-backports "backport digikam 1.0.0~beta6-1ubuntu1 to karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481851 [13:30] tsimpson: yeah, the name change is one of the reasons I am moving all the stuff into UbuntuOneStatusNotifierItem, then we just add some magic in there to figure out whether to build against 4.3 or 4.4 [13:30] ScottK, NCommander: could you take care for bug 481851 [13:30] tsimpson: where stuff is anything related to presentation [13:31] and potentially also 481856 [13:31] 481856481856 [13:31] sorry, my baby daughter did the last line ;-) [13:38] amichair: yeah, is bug 486319 one of the ones you fixed in your fixing rampage the other day? [13:38] Launchpad bug 486319 in python-qt4 "software-properties-kde crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486319 [13:48] http://imagebin.ca/view/kF9274h5.html [13:49] JontheEchidna: rampage... used to love that game :-) [13:50] JontheEchidna: I'm not sure why this is under python-qt4, it looks to be in sp itself... I fixed a whole bunch of i18n related stuff, so it's very possibly that this one is included. the stack trace looks familiar, though they all look alike :-P [13:51] yeah, it's just a misfiled bug [13:51] But I think the essence of it is mishandled utf characters in the gpg key handling dialog [13:52] JontheEchidna: yes, I'm checking... btw that bug was in gpg itself, I added a comment in the bug, just a sec... [13:53] JontheEchidna: Bug #133937 [13:53] Launchpad bug 133937 in software-properties "software-properties-kde crashed with error " 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 27-28"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133937 [13:56] JontheEchidna: I think I am a lord of dbus now! [13:56] \o/ [13:56] JontheEchidna: looks like the same bug in a different release, u can move to sp and mark as dup [13:57] JontheEchidna: and if u feel like it, get the fixed gpg version into lucid to close the bug [13:57] oh, did you get your changes merged? [13:58] JontheEchidna: nope. bugged a bunch of ppl for a while, and gave up. stopped working on it for now, until someone will find the time (going too far from trunk leads to extra work down the line...) [13:59] did you bug mvo about it? [13:59] him I didn't bug, only nicely asked and gave the link :-) [13:59] :P [13:59] I think Riddell could probably merge the changes, after he recuperates from UDS [14:00] since he haz core-dev powas [14:00] and haven't caught him online for a few days... yeah I figured UDS and exams (for whom it may apply) had ppl pretty busy [14:01] anyway, when they'll get around to it, they'll know where to find me [14:01] (and I hope I remember something from what I did there :-) ) [14:02] if anyone else needs the help of an experienced dev, let me know :-) [14:02] JontheEchidna: Please link me your kubuntu-dev application again. [14:10] JontheEchidna: pushed nu changes [14:10] * apachelogger notes that now it even starts without too much hassle, if ubuntuone-auth is installed [14:11] still need to try a couple of times since it does not wait until the dbus stuff is up and running [14:11] oh and I think one needs to manually make the syncdaemon connect :D [14:12] * tsimpson did, and uploaded a file successfully (but not status notifications) [14:13] KNotificationItem seems not to like me [14:14] hm [14:14] tsimpson: any usefulness on the console? [14:14] if all kdebug is turned on [14:14] ehm [14:14] activated [14:14] turned on sounds way too weird [14:15] tsimpson: besides, the notification is done by KNotification [14:15] oh, misread [14:15] * apachelogger needs coffee and light [14:16] I'm thinking it may be auto-closing or something [14:16] notifications work with the gnome client, just not with yours [14:16] oh [14:16] tsimpson: you need to restart knotify [14:17] kquitapp knotify; sleep 2; knotify4& [14:17] for some reason the notification doesnt go through unless knotify has the id listed [14:17] tsimpson: that of course implies that you have run make install once [14:20] apachelogger: how do I update a cloned repo? [14:20] * JontheEchidna is git noob [14:20] apachelogger: still not working here [14:21] wait, it installed to /usr/local, that may be it [14:23] there we go [14:24] JontheEchidna: git merge would be an option [14:24] git merge git://gitorious.org/ubuntuone-client-kde/ubuntuone-client-kde.git ? [14:24] apachelogger: have you seen the type of message ConnectQueueChanged sends? [14:25] ClientApplet(9162) Applet::contentQueueChanged: QDBusMessage(type=Signal, service=":1.618", path="/status", interface="com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Status", member="ContentQueueChanged", signature="a{sa{ss}}", contents=([Argument: a{sa{ss}} {"head" = [Argument: a{ss} {"path" = "/home/stdin/Ubuntu One/file.txt", "command" = "Upload", "size" = "0"}], "Upload" = [Argument: a{ss} {"count" = "1", "size" = "0"}]}]) ) [14:25] tsimpson: not implemented [14:26] it listens on all signals of syncdaemon but only triggers action if something comes in via uploadstarted [14:26] JontheEchidna: I suppose so [14:26] that is an upload [14:26] didn't work :( [14:26] JontheEchidna: you could probably also set that as git remote [14:26] JontheEchidna: just configure it as origin and merge with origin then :P [14:27] tsimpson: yes, but contentqueuechanged gets emitted each time the queue changes [14:27] whereas uploadstarted only gets emitted when the daemon starts uploading [14:27] anyhow [14:27] you need to look at debug output regarding uploadstarted [14:28] there is none :p /me adds some [14:32] * apachelogger is wondering if we can implement the transfers like dolphin does [14:32] makes more sense to have a progressbar I suppose [14:40] apachelogger: I can't see any progress indication from ubuntuone, just uploadstarted and uploadfinished [14:41] and I've connected all the signals I can see from com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon /* [14:42] tsimpson: queuechanged is emitted each time the progress changes, isnt it? [14:43] apachelogger: this the all the output I get from one upload: http://paste.ubuntu.com/325402/ [14:45] tsimpson: well, no progress of transfer [14:45] but overall progress [14:45] i.e. 2 of 10 files uploaded or stuff [14:45] yeah, the gnome applet does that I think [14:46] we can do it in a superior fashion :P [14:48] do we have a qt frontend to recordmydesktop? [14:51] tsimpson: http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1Job.html [14:51] * apachelogger hopes there is a conevenience overload somewhere :D [14:51] Quintasan: yes [14:52] apachelogger: qt-recordmydesktop is not present in repos here :P [14:53] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/RecordItNow?content=114610 <-- looks damn good [14:54] Quintasan: well, it is laggy pyware so why would we want to have qt-recordmydesktop in the repos :P [14:59] Hello, is that possible that kubuntu suffers from problems with slow mutexes? I tried kubuntu with several desktop environments (KDE, Xfce) and I have serious problems with application starting or with any GUI-based program (slow response time to time, sometimes even locking of GUI for several seconds). Is that observed behavior or is it only me? [15:00] The thing is that it happens even when system is quite unloaded [15:08] apachelogger: how about RecordItNow? It's written in awesome c++ :P [15:08] Quintasan: if recordmydesktop was a library with stable API, then all hail the recorditnow [15:09] but since it is not I forsee compability problems [15:09] of course I am no oracle, so I might be wrong [15:09] first contact seems okay [15:09] let me do some more testing [15:18] apachelogger: hmm, everything works until I enable Not RECOMMENDED!!!! options :P [15:22] * apachelogger is wondering why the stupid left menu appears in the top-left corner -.- === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [15:53] mm, jetlag [15:55] dtchen: BBC 7 still makes new 8th doctor shows, they're not bad [15:57] Riddell: Did you manage to corner agy? [15:57] ryanakca: no he wasn't there, I asked elmo about it but I'll have to hassle him by e-mail [15:58] Riddell: OK, thanks [16:00] hi Riddell [16:00] hi txwikinger, get home ok? [16:01] Yeah.. was not too bad [16:01] And you? [16:01] no problems, luggage even came out of terminal 5 unscathed [16:02] :D [16:02] Riddell: wait what? 8th doc.....the movie one? [16:03] BBC7? [16:03] dan is skeptical [16:04] you should see the face he's making [16:04] Did anybody here package KIMPanel-plasmoid in Kubuntu 9.10? [16:04] * ryanakca sighs at iPlayer not working outside of the UK [16:05] ryanakca: proxy! [16:05] not that we advocate such things ;) [16:05] right [16:05] that would be bad and evil and wrong [16:05] Or that I have access to one. [16:06] * maco nods emphatically while handing over the url proxy.org [16:07] :) [16:25] maco: yes the one from the failed tv pilot [16:26] I have a couple on my hard disk, should have given them to you at UDS [16:28] !info plasma-widget-kimpanel [16:28] plasma-widget-kimpanel (source: plasma-widget-kimpanel): universal input method panel applet. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0+svn1015443-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 90 kB, installed size 456 kB [16:28] JimHu1: ^ [16:54] JotheEchidna:Current Kimpanel in Kubuntu 9.10 is compiled for fcitx backend, which is not the default input method comes with chinese language support. Ibus is now the default input method, so Kimpanel should be compiled with ibus support. [17:05] Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux. [17:06] hi bazhaga [17:06] Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux. [17:06] so ban me, gays [17:07] cant you just get a blog or something? [17:07] he's been trolling across the Ubuntu irc space beginning with ubuntu-devel earlier this morning. [17:07] dtchen: i know [17:07] so ban me, gays [17:07] Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux. [17:07] he was in #kubuntu before, has been told off in #ubuntu-ops as well... [17:08] dtchen: apparently we're gay. does that mean i'm a dude? [17:08] I'd be into you if you were a dude [17:08] Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux. [17:08] oh wait, I'd have to be a non-dude [17:08] dtchen: im a non-dude and you were into me [17:08] I guess Jack or the Doctor would be into that [17:08] ooh i could go for jack o...r the doctor [17:08] s/o...r/or/ [17:08] jack-o, like michael jackson? [17:09] tehe [17:09] no! [17:09] okay sorry to intrude :) [17:09] capt jack harkness [17:09] bazhang: hello [17:09] Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux. [17:09] departing now :) [17:09] I hear there's this troll named trudell who likes small dogs and is afraid of clowns. [17:10] lmao [17:10] lmao [17:10] Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux. [17:10] i will recompile kubuntu kernel [17:11] go forth and prosper. [17:11] cause kubuntu kernel sux more than bill gates [17:11] lollipops? i like lollies too! [17:12] mplayer needs be recompiled too [17:12] dtchen: speaking of sucking, can you pick up some lollipops on the way home? [17:12] so, back to adding that bitfield to ubuntu-lucid.git/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidia.c to make 3d performance horrible for all trolls named trudell [17:13] dtchen: oh is THAT why its only broken for trudell and not for me and you? [17:13] sure [17:13] horrible [17:13] that was clever! [17:13] crashs evrytime [17:13] maco: I know, I'm a very bad person abusing my git privileges :( [17:13] crashs evrytime [17:13] crashs evrytime [17:14] trudell: and you spell "every" wrong "evrytime" you write it [17:14] who cares? [17:14] people who are not fluent enough in english to figure out what you're writing [17:15] all of you wrote "every" wrong [17:15] "evrytime" in C and another languages [17:15] you all only do bullshit [17:15] no swearing [17:15] its "bullpoopy" around here [17:15] except if you're Jack! [17:16] dtchen: what about Capt Jack Hotne--i mean...Harkness? [17:16] all of you wrote "every" wrong "evrytime" in C and another languages [17:17] you all only do bullshit [17:17] dtchen: hehe i wonder if his name sounding similar to that was intentional? [17:17] we'll never know what RTD was thinking [17:17] you all only do bullshit [17:18] my access list query worked! [17:18] cpt jack is RTD like all of you [17:19] RTD=retarded [17:19] RTDD [17:22] 11:08:38 [ maco] dtchen: im a non-dude and you were into me <- take your perversion elsewhere! ;p [17:22] * dtchen redirects trudell to nixternal [17:22] hah, take that! [17:23] haha [17:35] Morning [17:36] uhhh [17:36] calling python devs C devs [17:36] now that was just weak [17:36] DarkwingDuck: morning [17:39] nixternal: we cant fix any current docs? Is there a way to change that for future releases? [17:42] we can only fix stuff before the string freeze...after a string freeze we concentrate on the next development cycle [17:43] since we are starting fresh and deleted all of the old documentation, none of the current bugs exist in Lucid [17:44] ahhhh [17:44] we can't go back and fix karmic docs..only thing I can do with karmic docs is grab the translated files from LP and merge them in, then create an updated package, file a SRU, and rock on :) [17:44] How do you set a milestone with launchpad? [17:44] even if we were to fix the bugs in karmic docs it wouldn't matter, since those docs are from KDE 3.5 days :/ [17:45] you need to be a developer in order to set milestones and such [17:46] that's what I figured. [17:46] Okay === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: The 10th Doctor thinks that Kubuntu is brilliant | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLucidSpecs | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/LucidKDEMerges [18:09] "The 9th Doctor thinks that Kubuntu is fantastic" etc [18:10] That would be an incredible endorsement. [18:10] yes it would [18:10] "So, David, at The End of Time, do you like Kubuntu?" "Why, yes, I love it." [18:10] can we send him a cd? [18:10] maco: DVD [18:11] sorry, no hats while indoors [18:11] of course, the 9th doctor usually said "fantastic" out of sarcasm :x [18:11] the 9th is still my favorite [18:11] mmm i like 10th [18:11] he's cute [18:12] not so into 9th's hair [18:12] you and just about everyone else. === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLucidSpecs | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/LucidKDEMerges [18:12] maco: did you get the DVD working? or is it evil still?? [18:12] JontheEchidna: lol [18:12] although what's with Karen Gillian's crazy police outfit? [18:12] jussi01: no i did not. dtchen thinks its my hardware. but ive watched other dvds on here [18:13] maco dvd fail :P [18:13] dtchen: i saw someone edited the photo so she'd have matt smith's legs-in-suit and he'd have her legs in that mini skirt [18:13] yeah, I wish the 9th could have stayed on for a few more seasons [18:13] maco: the CoE DVD has pretty crazy copy protection [18:13] DVDs* [18:13] dtchen: how'd you make them work on your lappy? [18:13] maco: black magic [18:14] it took mplayer and a lot of decss caching [18:14] huh? [18:14] ....why does mplayer spit things at me when i try to launch it. i KNOW it has a gui [18:14] ls ~/.dvdcss/ [18:15] mplayer-nogui installed? :-) [18:16] i installed normal mplayer package [18:16] does that pull in -nogui and make it default for some silly reason? [18:18] 'gmplayer'? [18:18] i see [18:18] silly [18:19] it tells me "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." [18:20] # vo=xv,x11 is the defautl [18:21] so i have to say gmplayer vo=xv,x11 to make it work? [18:21] no, that's the default [18:21] (/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf) [18:21] you can override it in ~/.mplayer/config [18:21] not sure if xv is broken for your hw [18:22] (it shouldn't be?) Anyhow, -vo=x11 may work [18:28] dtchen: this is with plain "gmplayer" http://paste.ubuntu.com/325527/ [18:29] you might want to use dvdnav instead of dvd [18:29] I really have no clue WRT gmplayer; I use mplayer. [18:29] what? dvdnav? i have that lib installed... [18:30] nono, mplayer dvdnav://1 [18:30] and really, if you think man pages are frightening, just look at mplayer(1) [18:30] have 7500 lines! [18:30] dtchen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/325528/ [18:30] oh [18:31] heyyyyyyyy that seems to work! [18:31] umm i see the dvd menu [18:31] now what? [18:31] (seriously?) [18:31] !yay | maco [18:31] maco: Glad you made it! :-) [18:32] dtchen: i tried clicking on "play all" but it just said [18:32] No bind found for key 'MOUSE_BTN0'.-MOUSE_BTN0_DBL [18:32] No bind found for key 'MOUSE_BTN0_DBL'. 0 [18:32] and didnt actually play [18:32] oh, cursor position is a PITA [18:32] and I never have much luck with dvdnav; I end up having to restart mplayer constantly [18:33] enter key! [18:33] ok now it looks like totem [18:33] all garbled [18:34] silly Lunix! [18:34] i mean, sound works right unlike totem, but the image looks like im not wearing my glasses [18:34] you probably ain't wearing yo' glasses! [18:34] i am! [18:34] I'm really quite surprised that kaffeine doesn't work [18:35] kaffeine (for me) was far more reliable than GSt or mplayer [18:35] or rather, it looks like im not wearing my glasses and have gone color blind, possibly tripping on acid [18:35] because theres a lot of odd colours showing up [18:35] oh, that's probably x11 [18:35] dtchen: because of xine? [18:36] Tm_T: yes, not until *very* recently was dvd + GSt even approachably usable [18:36] actually a little less recently (back around karmic alpha2) it was much more usable than it is now :P [18:37] boo! [18:38] kaffeine detaches from the terminal so i dont think ill get to see any error output spew from it [18:38] nevermind. it still spew [18:39] if(p->url(p->closestItem(url)) != url) [18:39] that looks a bit like C :D [18:40] ok here's what kaffeine outputs after it gets past the "welcome to the bbc" stuff, where it *should* show the dvd menu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/325532/ [18:42] so uh right now...gstreamer is doing hella better than xine [18:42]