[01:10] <Pricey> !register =~ s/nickname ./nickname./
[01:11] <Pricey> !register
[01:16] <niko> Pricey: perhaps http://blog.freenode.net/2008/05/new-services-nicknames-and-accounts/ ?
[01:16] <niko> more usefull
[01:23] <jussi01> niko: I dont think so
[01:24] <jussi01> niko: the original has a nice, simple tutorial for getting registered.
[01:24] <niko> lot of them miss email verification
[01:24] <jussi01> if its incorrect, you guys at freenode need to get it fixed
[02:20] <mneptok> could someone keep a weather eye on chatZilla in #u? i need to go make dinner.
[02:20] <mneptok> fankee
[04:30] <bazhang> wow netsplitsville
[07:37] <bazhang> oh fun bot attacks
[07:38] <mneptok> bazhang: #u ?
[07:39] <bazhang> mneptok, removed before they could attack, but yes there amongst other places
[07:39] <bazhang> traciella looks to be one as well just waiting
[07:40] <bazhang> yikes horrific lag here
[07:52] <bazhang> yep
[07:55] <elky> tsimpson, are the floodbots insane?
[08:48] <bazhang> Bacta, hi
[08:48] <Bacta> Hello
[08:48] <Bacta> I was wondering about my ban status on #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic and #kubuntu
[08:49] <bazhang> Bacta, you were asked to come back a few days later.
[08:49] <bazhang> a little more than 24 hrs has passed
[08:49] <Bacta> Ok
[08:49] <Bacta> I'll come back tomorrow
[08:49] <Bacta> Thank you bazhang
[09:21] <bazhang> Bacta, a few days would be more than two (ie tomorrow); please dont idle in this channel, thanks
[10:52] <topyli> @login
[10:53] <topyli> @btlogin
[10:59] <emma> Hello there ubuntu ops :)
[11:00] <emma> Does anyone here happen to be awake?
[11:00] <emma> ahh indeed, it has nick changed to prodcutnews1
[11:02] <bazhang> emma,  a spambot?
[11:05] <emma> bazhang: doesn't seem to be a spambot, at least not yet.
[11:05] <bazhang> emma, ok, what was the issue
[11:05] <emma> prodcutnews1 came into one of my channels, and i notice it in a couple of others, including this one.
[11:05] <bazhang> no disruptions from it that I can see so far.
[11:06] <emma> Okay -- I wasn't sure how you all felt about bots. I was mostly curious if you all also thought it was a bot or not. I don't want to kick/ban a person who just looks like a bot.
[11:07] <bazhang> the ident of robot is not always indicative of an actual bot
[11:07] <emma> Yes indeed that's why I haven't already kick/banned it. The ident of robot does not give a person a lot of confidence it isn't a bot. :)
[11:08] <emma> And they have yet to respond for over 12 hours.
[11:08] <emma> Anyhow, that was it. If you guys don't know if it's a bot that's what I was looking to find out. Take it easy now. :)
[11:14] <topyli> apparently we've had a visit from locke in -ot. looks like he's back to linking to pictures and talking about his hot girlfriend :(
[11:14] <bazhang> :/ yuk
[11:23] <tsimpson> elky: what do you mean?
[11:23] <elky> tsimpson, all 4 opped up and did the same stuff before.
[11:26] <elky> tsimpson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/325272/
[11:27] <tsimpson> elky: looks like heavy lag [22/11/09 09:48:17] RECV: ChanServ replied after 38 s
[11:28] <tsimpson> time there is UTC+2
[11:29] <tsimpson> that's from FloodBot1, which forced the others into emergency mode
[11:29] <elky> ok, so we at least know why
[11:29] <elky> (but yes, they are insane ;) )
[11:30] <tsimpson> well, that goes without saying
[12:49] <bazhang> bao_ is metbsd without the cloak
[14:45] <bazhang> * [Indian`] (n=Kavita@111.125.224.252): purple ban evading in -ot
[14:54] <elky> lovely.
[15:01] <bazhang> heh
[15:01] <bazhang> Tm _t is right there
[15:02] <jussi01> and tsimpson
[15:03] <maco> and me :)
[15:03]  * jussi01 was watching, but only acts in emeregencies when theres no one else... :D
[15:04] <tsimpson> typical council member ;)
[15:04] <jussi01> tsimpson: jeps
[15:04] <jussi01> thats how its supposed to be :D
[15:05] <Tm_T> ... nice, I wondered why this channel was silent all day...
[15:05] <bazhang> hehe
[15:06] <jussi01> Tm_T: it means you have to do something again... :D
[15:06] <Tm_T> jussi01: don't tempt me
[15:07] <Tm_T> btw I try to avoid touching ban today in overall so you all feel free to jump in if there seem to be need for one
[15:09] <jussi01> ok, Im off for food. can someone sort the topic in #k? its missing something from the url
[15:09] <jussi01> lates
[15:09] <Tm_T> I'll look at it
[15:10] <tsimpson> sorted
[15:11] <Tm_T> mmm, I haven't noticed anything ):
[15:11] <elky> Tm_T, it lacks "jussi01 is weird".
[15:11] <tsimpson> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcGuideli -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcGuidelines
[15:12] <Tm_T> I wonder when it did lack it...
[15:14] <tsimpson> I don't know, last time it changed it was ok
[15:14] <bazhang> looks fine here
[15:14] <Tm_T> tsimpson: ye, and you didn't change it either
[15:15] <tsimpson> /topic #kubuntu gave me the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcGuideli link, then I changed it
[15:16] <Tm_T> I saw no change
[15:16] <bazhang> no actual changes, you just opped then de-opped
[15:16] <Tm_T> so this seems to be more of freenode falling down?
[15:16] <Tm_T> or failing, or clients failing
[15:16] <Tm_T> or all these three
[15:16] <bazhang> yeah likely or irc client
[15:17] <tsimpson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/325422/
[15:23] <Tm_T> tsimpson: ye, and that topic change wasn't seen here (:
[15:26]  * Tm_T hands a brakediscs to kiraitachi
[15:26] <Tm_T> ok, I really need to find some relief for this headache, see you later ->
[15:50] <ryanakca> Is it me, or is trudell trolling again
[15:51] <Tm_T> ryanakca: who, where? (;)
[15:51] <Tm_T> ryanakca: banforward him here
[15:51] <Tm_T> or just ban
[15:53] <ryanakca> Tm_T: Who, you or me?
[15:54] <Tm_T> I won't touch bans today ):
[15:55] <ryanakca>  /amfr nick #channel reason    appears to be the auto_bleh.pl command...
[16:13] <Tm_T> was that correct format?
[16:13] <Tm_T> if not, just fix it for me
[16:14] <bazhang> I would if I had ops there ; maco ^^
[16:14] <Tm_T> bazhang: you don't have? I thought that was where you had it first
[16:14] <maco> what do you want me to do?
[16:14] <bazhang> Tm_T, I was just there learning under you and Jucato :)
[16:15] <Tm_T> maco: if the banforward I set is not proper format, means not working, just fix it
[16:15] <maco> i dont know how
[16:15] <bazhang> trudell!*@*.*!#ubuntu-ops
[16:15] <maco> i know how to ban and unban and /quote remove...thats about it
[16:15] <Tm_T> oh well
[16:15] <Pici> bazhang: you should lose the dot in the mask, as cloaks don't have them.
[16:16] <bazhang> Pici, I would if I could :)
[16:16] <bazhang> that was a paste ^^
[16:16] <Pici> Also, hello everyone again, back from UDS at last.
[16:16] <bazhang> wb Pici
[16:16] <maco> Pici: did we meeted?
[16:17] <Pici> maco: uh... yes. we meeted a lot.
[16:17] <maco> Pici: i know you were in the UW sessions but i still dont know if we met
[16:17]  * maco does a whois to find out your real-life name
[16:17] <Pici> maco: Hi! I'm Ben, nice to meet you.
[16:17] <maco> oh!
[16:17] <maco> ok :)
[16:17] <maco> yes we did meeted
[16:17] <Pici> :)
[16:17] <bazhang> hehe
[16:17] <Pici> maco: sorry, I thought you knew I was me.
[16:19] <bazhang> trudell, hi
[16:19] <trudell> hi
[16:20] <trudell> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[16:20] <bazhang> you were banforwarded to this channel
[16:20] <trudell> its ture
[16:20] <trudell> true
[16:20] <bazhang> trudell, this is not #kubuntu
[16:20] <trudell> yeah
[16:20] <trudell> i know
[16:20] <trudell> i know
[16:20] <bazhang> so you can stop with the nonsense
[16:20] <trudell> its a kubuntu disaster
[16:21] <bazhang> trudell, then dont use it
[16:21] <trudell> why no sense?
[16:21] <trudell> friend, think about it
[16:21] <bazhang> trudell, there is absolutely no reason for you to do that.
[16:21] <trudell> ubuntu is most popular distribution in the world
[16:21] <trudell> why kernel dont run 3d cards?
[16:22] <bazhang> trudell, this is not about debating what you claim.
[16:22] <trudell> friend
[16:22] <bazhang> trudell, this is to discuss your ban
[16:22] <trudell> why development team dont suport libgtk-1.2 las legacy?
[16:23] <trudell> why development team dont suport libgtk-1.2 as legacy?
[16:23] <bazhang> trudell, you were asked repeatedly to stop pasting that in #kubuntu , yet continued.
[16:24] <trudell> you dont care
[16:24] <bazhang> trudell, this is not about debating what you claim, as I stated earlier.
[16:24] <trudell> i dont wanna go back to #kubuntu channel
[16:24] <trudell> i dont wanna more kubuntu
[16:24] <Tm_T> trudell: then don't
[16:24] <bazhang> trudell, yet you tried to join and were forwarded here.
[16:24] <trudell> cause Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[16:25] <bazhang> trudell, no need for the cursing either
[16:25] <Seeker`> this isn't going anywhere
[16:25] <trudell> i wanna only put my message for users
[16:25] <bazhang> let me take of this please
[16:25] <trudell> this --> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[16:26] <trudell> since hardy version
[16:26] <trudell> and not supports to older libraries
[16:26] <bazhang> trudell, absent any discussion of that. there is nothing else to say. Please /part the channel.
[16:26] <trudell> what channel?
[16:26] <bazhang> this one.
[16:27] <trudell> what one?
[16:27] <bazhang> if someone with ops in here could oblige.
[16:27] <trudell> oblige a what?
[16:27] <trudell> this --> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[16:27] <bazhang> trudell, please read the topic here.
[16:28] <Tm_T> trudell: honestly, if you are not willing to discuss your ban, leave
[16:28] <trudell> where?
[16:28] <trudell> i'm discuss
[16:28] <bazhang> no you are not.
[16:28] <trudell> this --> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[16:28] <bazhang> just /part   thanks.
[16:29] <trudell> why not support to legacy libraries when the distributions like intrepid sucks?
[16:30] <trudell> a lot of problems could be solved with correctly aptitude of ubuntu development team
[16:30] <trudell> isnt?
[16:30] <jrib> !ops
[16:31] <bazhang> thanks
[16:36]  * Amaranth dies laughing
[16:36] <Amaranth> Where is my Microsoft check?
[16:37] <Pici> :D
[16:37] <bazhang> hehe
[16:37] <trudell> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[16:38] <bazhang> mmkay
[16:38] <trudell> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[16:38] <trudell> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[16:38] <Pici> Has the #k banforward been changed to a ban yet?
[16:39] <bazhang> nope
[16:39] <Tm_T> Pici: no, and I really don't like to do bans today, at all
[16:39] <Amaranth> Maybe I should ask trudell where my check is
[16:39] <Amaranth> He seems to know all about it
[16:39] <Pici> Tm_T: why not?
[16:39] <bazhang> he was in #ubuntu-devel earlier as well
[16:40] <Tm_T> Pici: I'm _really_ shaky, far from capable to make sure I don't screw up something
[16:41] <Tm_T> or, atleast far from trusting myself
[16:42] <Seeker`> Tm_T: whats wrong?
[16:42] <Tm_T> I have no idea, possibly blood isn't flowing properly or something similarly silly
[16:43] <bazhang> Tm_T, turn off your computer and get a rest please
[16:43] <bazhang> Tm_T, nothing is more important than your health.
[16:43] <gord> apart from the worlds largest diamond
[16:44] <bazhang> well that, but fat chance
[16:44] <Tm_T> bazhang: heh, I'm just too used to have this in time to time
[16:45] <bazhang> Tm_T, I felt bad last week and stayed off IRC for quite a stretch
[16:45] <bazhang> nearly one day!
[16:45] <Tm_T> haha
[16:45] <bazhang> :)
[16:47] <Tm_T> actually, now that you guys seems to be up and aware of this one person, I could try to take some large amounts of sugar and try find cracks from ceiling, have fun kids (: ->>
[16:47] <bazhang> hehe
[16:57] <bazhang> wonder who
[16:58] <bazhang> trudell is there and in -motu
[17:01] <nhandler> So is someone going to take care of him in -devel?
[17:02] <bazhang> would that I could nhandler
[17:03] <nhandler> mneptok you around?
[17:05] <bazhang> he is hitting all the channels apparently #kubuntu-devel now
[17:09] <Seeker`> superm1: how can we help you?
[17:16] <ryanakca> Could someone remove him from #kubuntu-devel please?
[17:19] <Tm_T> ok, if you want, I can ban him there too
[17:20] <Tm_T> ...I wanted
[17:20] <ryanakca> Tm_T: Thanks :)
[17:22] <Tm_T> it's out of my hands now...
[17:24] <nixternal> its out of everyone's hands :)
[17:24] <Tm_T> not true, really
[17:25] <Tm_T> we just have to find someone with hands large enough
[17:25] <nixternal> hehe, sladen is in there, but he hasn't figured out /abk yet I don't think :D
[17:25] <Tm_T> nixternal: what's that?
[17:25] <nixternal> in #ubuntu-motu, that trudell character is in there being a fool as well
[17:26] <Tm_T> nixternal: I meant /abk (:
[17:26] <nixternal> oh, irssi auto_bleh script that /auto bans and kicks
[17:26] <nixternal> old skewl
[17:27] <Tm_T> ok
[17:27] <bazhang> only one channel he hasn't hit yet
[17:27] <Tm_T> bazhang: there's plenty of channels to hit yet
[17:27] <bazhang> Tm_T, one of size I meant, sorry
[17:28] <Tm_T> (:
[17:28] <Tm_T> nixternal: I must be really "new school" then, only opping is automated here
[17:28] <Tm_T> well, "automated" (:
[17:28] <Tm_T> aliased
[17:28] <Tm_T> hmm, and remove
[17:29] <nixternal> lol
[17:30] <jpds> @login
[17:31] <nhandler> For those who might not have seen -devel:
[17:31] <nhandler> 11:07:50 < slangasek> should the !ops token be updated to include more people who are actually current and active ops?
[17:31] <nhandler> 11:08:05 < slangasek> (and drop thom, fooishbar, jdub, perhaps)
[17:33] <jpds> Yes, done.
[17:40] <jussi01> someone could check all the ops factoids perhaps?
[17:43] <jussi01> areoplane wireless ftw!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
[17:45] <jpds> jussi01: Cleaned up some.
[17:45]  * jpds considers leaving the hotel.
[17:46] <jussi01> jpds: which ones did yo clean?
[17:46] <jpds> -server.
[17:46] <jussi01> jpds: which hotel you at?
[17:46] <jpds> One where some people seem to insist on speaking French.
[17:47] <jussi01> lol
[17:50] <superm1> Seeker`, jussi01 insisted that I come here
[17:50]  * MenZa just has !ops on highlight.
[17:51] <jpds> MenZa: Yes, me too, thanks.
[17:51] <MenZa> :D
[17:51]  * MenZa plays with jpds.
[17:51] <jussi01> superm1: hang on Ill sort you out with a +v so nobody bothers you more
[17:52] <bazhang> heh
[17:52] <Tm_T> superm1: who are you?!
[17:52] <bazhang> except mneptok perhaps
[17:52]  * Tm_T hides
[17:53] <jussi01> everyone, superm1 is the project lead on mythbuntu
[17:53] <bazhang> hi superm1 !! welcome :)
[17:53] <jussi01> :)
[17:53] <Tm_T> superm1: welcome (:
[17:53] <bazhang> :)
[17:54] <maco> superm1: ooooh so youre shiny then
[17:55] <maco> he's also the one who understands dkms magic
[17:55] <bazhang> about to get going on my own mythbuntu setup here :)
[17:55] <jussi01> heya maco
[18:04] <mneptok> superm1? seriously?
[18:04] <bazhang> good night all
[18:04] <mneptok> there goes the neighborhood.
[18:04] <jussi01> mneptok: it was gone ages ago when you moved in...
[18:07] <jussi01> :D
[18:13] <MenZa> \o superm1
[18:21] <mneptok> jussi01: i have friends in Finland. strange, unpredictable friends ....
[18:22] <Tm_T> mneptok: I'm now unpredictable too?!
[18:22] <jussi01> mneptok: you are strange, so thats no suprise,,, :D
[18:31] <mneptok> Tm_T: omerta. learn, love it.   ;)
[18:32] <jussi01> !-hi
[19:12] <tsimpson> jussi01: are we (read "you") going to close down the #ubuntu-uds* channels?
[19:12] <tsimpson> udsbotu is already gone
[19:13] <Pricey> "close down"?
[19:13] <maco> tsimpson: jussi just went to bed, i think
[19:13] <jussi01> tsimpson: yes, when I get home
[19:13] <tsimpson> ok, just checking
[19:13] <maco> jussi01: what happened to sleep?
[19:13] <tsimpson> Pricey: there's no need for them to be open when UDS is over
[19:13] <maco> jussi01: did you decide its for the weak?
[19:14] <jussi01> maco: just havent got there yet
[19:18] <Pricey> tsimpson: wonder what "close down" includes though
[19:19] <tsimpson> there's a couple of options, +i, +f
[19:20] <tsimpson> also depends on if #ubuntu-uds should say open or not
[19:20] <jussi01> deregister? theres no need for them any more except #ubuntu-uds
[19:20] <tsimpson> actually, dropping them is probably best
[19:21] <tsimpson> they are based on room names from one hotel in Dallas
[19:22] <jussi01> exactly
[19:24] <Pricey> that sounds better to me
[19:24] <Pricey> and just let people filter out
[19:25] <jussi01> Pricey: exactly my plan
[19:25] <jussi01> ok, IM really going now. laters
[19:26] <tsimpson> night o/
[19:35] <Tm_T> 2133.44 <trudell> gay  2134.09 <trudell> go to #kubuntu-sux
[19:35] <Tm_T> just so you know (;
[19:36] <Pricey> no need to join
[19:36] <Pricey> where was that frmo?
[19:36] <Tm_T> in PM, but he hit #kubuntu-offtopic too
[19:46] <mneptok> nhandler: just saw you looking for me in scrollback. what's up?
[19:47] <mneptok> nhandler: nm. "trudell," and Pici LARTed that user.
[19:48] <Tm_T> mneptok: he is doing his second round btw
[19:48] <ikonia> hitting #kubuntu-bugs
[19:56] <Pricey> ikonia: dealing
[19:56] <ikonia> gone
[19:56] <ikonia> just seen
[20:16] <ikonia> I'm seen drunkpunk before
[20:29] <nhandler> Does someone have a link to the meeting where the discussion of voice in #ubuntu-ops vs membership in ~ubuntu-irc was discussed? I'm still not clear on the benefit in having 2 "lists of ops"
[20:30] <ikonia> not I
[20:32] <Pricey> I believe it is all about making sure that there are clear "terms", which expire.
[20:32] <Pricey> And keeping track of those terms.
[20:39] <nhandler> Pricey: So based on that, users who are voiced in here should be members of the LP team in order to keep track of when their "term" expires, correct?
[20:40] <Tm_T> nhandler: also to identify who are ops and who are not, so we can easily see who is in need of help and who is helper
[20:40] <Pricey> nhandler: I've heard lots of things, and am confused about ubuntu-irc, and operators on access lists etc. etc.
[20:41] <nhandler> Pricey: So am I, which is why I asked. I just didn't want to add this to the meeting agenda/bring it up on the ML if it had already been discussed/clarified at a previous meeting (I thought I remembered seeing it on an agenda)
[20:43] <Pricey> nhandler: I'm sure it'll all be fleshed out on the wiki somewhere soon and put up for debate properly.
[20:48] <mneptok> it was my understanding that it would be broken into something akin to an o: line vs. chanops. there will be "core Ubuntu ops" that have access to every Ubuntu namespace channel, and then each channel would have its own ops particular to that channel.
[20:50] <nhandler> In that case, we really need to clarify how these "core Ubuntu ops" are chosen, how long their term length is, and exactly what power they have (I think this stuff might have been talked about at one of the UDS sessions)
[20:50] <Pricey> "every ubuntu namespace channel" wait what? how would that be accomplished technically?
[20:50] <maco> jussi could answer that stuff
[20:51] <maco> he was at the IRCC UDS sessions
[20:51] <Pricey> "core ubuntu ops", as in ubuntu-irc have always only ever looked after the core 8 channels or so
[20:52] <nhandler> That was what I thought he meant Pricey. It would not be practical for *all* of ubuntu-irc to be added to all #ubuntu-* channel access lists. Even the IRC Council members aren't individually on each #ubuntu-* access list (only the shared account is)
[20:52] <nhandler> s/is/should be/
[20:52] <Pricey> nhandler: its not only impracticle, its impossible
[20:53] <Pricey> nhandler: the irc council shared account isn't on #ubuntu-*'s flags lists
[20:54] <nhandler> Pricey: The wiki page on setting up new #ubuntu-* channels recommends adding the shared account to the access list, which is why I said it "should be" there (although I know it is missing from many channels)
[20:54] <Pricey> That seems very, very intrusive if that was the proposal made at uds.
[20:57] <Pricey> I guess when GMS arrives, it would provide the above for the couple of GCs.
[20:58] <nhandler> Here is the community-irc-council-lucid-plans Gobby doc from UDS: http://pastebin.com/m59a723d8
[20:59] <Pricey> That discusses syncing individual channels lists' into launchpad groups. Nothing about ubuntu-irc I believe.
[21:03] <nhandler> It also talks about 2 levels of OPs, a core group and then individual channel OPs as well as the need for an expiration on IRC Team membership (with renewal)
[21:04] <Pricey> where?
[21:04] <Pricey> i only see it talking about operators of the core channels
[21:10] <nhandler> Pricey: The chart at the bottom shows the IRCC at the top, with Core OPs below it, and then individual channel ops below that. The way that is shown, it is up for interpretation about how far the core ops' power extends. And should they really have any more power than individual channel OPs (besides having OP access in multiple channels)?
[21:10] <Pricey> yeah, i don't see that chart explaining anything
[21:10] <Pricey> and it doesn't exactly fit in with any writing elsewhere on the page
[21:11] <nhandler> Well, I have to get some other work done, but I do think that this stuff needs some clarification.
[23:20] <trudell> lmao
[23:49] <jpds> REally?