[00:00] <ScottK> benedikt: Then the first thing I'd suggest is to drop mailscanner.  Ubuntu generally supports Postfix plus amavisd-new with clamav and spamassassin.
[00:01] <ScottK> That and a good RBL set should do pretty well.
[00:01] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, yeah he's knew with ubuntu, so i'll have to write a script than he can launch from gnome-panel that will do all the work for him :)
[00:01] <benedikt> ScottK: why would you drop Mailscanner.. I think its excellent (and MailWatch keep the other (windows)-guy off complaining)
[00:03] <ScottK> benedikt: Because it's design modifies Postfix queue files directly.  This an internal Postfix interface and using it is a very poor software design practice and in the past has been known to cause mail to get lost.
[00:03] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, first of all have to figure out why my networking isn't working
[00:03] <billybigrigger> outside of the lan
[00:04] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Can you ping your router (default gateway?)  Is there a default route pointing to it?
[00:04] <benedikt> ScottK: i didnt know what, but that makes a good point.
[00:04] <billybigrigger> yes
[00:04] <billybigrigger> i can ping the router
[00:04] <billybigrigger> and i get an ip address as i specified in my interfaces 192.168.1.111
 here is a copy of my interfaces http://pastebin.ca/1681550
[00:05] <ScottK> benedikt: You can look in the archives of postfix-users for lots of examples.
[00:05] <ScottK> Also the setup I suggest is well documented in the Ubuntu Server Guide.
[00:05] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Does netstat -rn | grep ^0    # show you a sane-looking default route to your router?
[00:06] <billybigrigger> 0.0.0.0         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG        0 0          0 eth0
[00:06] <billybigrigger> not all that familiar with netstat just yet :P
[00:06] <jmarsden> Looks fine.  But if you ping 4.2.2.1 it fails?
[00:06] <billybigrigger> 1.1 is the router
[00:06] <benedikt> ScottK: this system has been running for 6 months (scannign 3 thousand ham mails per day) and so far everything has gone fine, and on two 4-5 year old desktop computers also. And i already found it in the server guide.
[00:06] <billybigrigger> 64 bytes from 4.2.2.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=235 ms
[00:06] <ScottK> benedikt: With mailscanner?
[00:06] <billybigrigger> 0% packet loss
[00:06] <benedikt> ScottK: yep
[00:06] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: So it is working fine.
[00:06] <billybigrigger> looks good jmarsden
[00:07] <jmarsden> So... what is NOt working?
[00:07] <ScottK> benedikt: Please give me the link in the server guide?
[00:07] <billybigrigger> ping billybigrigger@sally:~$ ping google.com
[00:07] <billybigrigger> ping: unknown host google.com
[00:07] <benedikt> ScottK: i just checked the wikipedia article for Mailscanner, it sort of looks like an advertisement
[00:07] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Ah, that is not a network issue, that is a DNS issue!
[00:07] <benedikt> ScottK: Oh, i think you misunderstood me. Mailscanner is nowhere to be foudn in the serverguide.
[00:07] <ScottK> benedikt: It's probably written by mailscanner pepole.
[00:07] <ScottK> benedikt: OK.  Good.
[00:07] <billybigrigger> this computer is fine :)
[00:07] <benedikt> ScottK: not in the wiki either
[00:08] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, i'm running that server via vbox
[00:08] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: What does /etc/resolv.conf have in it?
[00:08] <billybigrigger> nothing
[00:08] <ScottK> It's the kind of thing that's mostly OK, but since it's an internal interface, if it changes, then Mailscanner breaks without warning.
[00:08] <billybigrigger> i thought resolv.conf was handled by NM?
[00:08] <jmarsden> So why would expect name resolution to be working?
[00:08] <benedikt> ScottK: do you know of a web interface for monitoring what happens with the setup in the Server guide? I have a windows sysadmin boss to satisfy if i propose a change
[00:09] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Either run a local DNS server on the Ubuntu server, or point it at one elsewhere.
[00:09] <ScottK> benedikt: ebox is the usual recommendation here, but I don't know how well their mail module works (since I don't use any of this stuff).
[00:09] <jmarsden> DNS is not magic, someone has to provide your server with DNS :)
[00:09] <ScottK> benedikt: Even if the boss is on Windows, he can still use ssh.
[00:09] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, no i copied my resolv.conf from my working machine
[00:10] <billybigrigger> jmarsden, thanks, i don't know how that file became empty, as it was working a few days ago
[00:10] <billybigrigger> all is good :)
[00:10] <benedikt> ScottK: windows people usually dont like reading logs. i have been housetraining him on stuff like that however..
[00:10] <ScottK> Heh.  OK.
[00:10] <benedikt> billybigrigger: what happens if you run "nslookup ubuntu.com 4.2.2.1"
[00:12] <billybigrigger> benedikt, what am i looking for
[00:12] <benedikt> ScottK: just read (quickly) over the setup in the server guide -- seems like a great solution (captian obvious)
[00:12] <benedikt> billybigrigger: if it returns the ip address for ubuntu.com
[00:12] <billybigrigger> it outputs some info :)
[00:12] <ScottK> benedikt: Great.
[00:13] <billybigrigger> Name:	ubuntu.com
[00:13] <billybigrigger> Address: 91.189.94.156
[00:13] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: So it worked.  You should be all set :)
[00:13] <benedikt> billybigrigger: does it say 91.189.94.156? then you just need a dns server, no routing issues.
[00:13] <billybigrigger> ya no, i got it working, i copied my dns entries from resolv.conf from my working machine, to the non-working machine
[00:13] <benedikt> ah, great.
[00:13] <billybigrigger> yeah thats what i said, all was good, thanks :)
[00:14] <benedikt> also, i use my own dns server for resolving. i dont like that my isp could dns poision something.
[00:14] <jmarsden> benedikt: Your ISP could transparently edit the DNS packets they return to you and poison them that way, too :)
[00:15] <jmarsden> If you can't trust your ISP you'd better use DNSSEC :)
[00:15] <benedikt> jmarsden: i have no reason yet not to trust them though..
[00:15] <benedikt> jmarsden: but they did dns poision a icelandic 4chan alike website when some people started complaining
[00:17] <jmarsden> Well, "i dont like that my isp could dns poision something" does not sound all that trusting :)  I'm just poiting out that if your ISP is evil, running your own DNS server will not prevent them from doing evil things to your DNS traffic -- just makes it a bit more work for them to do so.
[00:17] <benedikt> My reasing is that if they did something evil, they wouldn't go that extra mile to get to the users running own dns servers and such.
[00:18] <benedikt> ..also their dns servers tend to be a bit slow.
[00:22] <benedikt> Why is the server guide suggesting using spf checking? Afaik not many people use it, not even gmail seems to have a spf record.
[00:24] <ScottK> benedikt: I didn't add it, although I think it's a good idea.
[00:24] <ScottK> They do actually have one.
[00:25] <ScottK> gmail.com.              300     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.google.com"
[00:25] <benedikt> i see it now.. was looking for a spf record, not a txt record. my bad.
[00:26] <ScottK> There is a type SPF, but virtually no one uses it.
[00:28] <benedikt> and the txt for _spf.google.com is massive
[00:30] <ScottK> Yeah.  Apparently Google has a few servers.
[00:32] <benedikt> but it doesnt list ipv6.. strikes me as quite odd.
[00:47] <billybigrigger> nothing about a proxy server on the server guide eh...
[00:47] <billybigrigger> anyone have a link to a good guide?
[00:55] <marks256> [non software question] how would one go about making a custom 1u server? I'm confused on CPU cooling. A normal cooler won't work, so how would one get around that?
[01:00] <KurtKraut> marks256, there are specific small-sized coolers for 1U servers.
[01:01] <marks256> KurtKraut, Oh ok. Thanks :)
[01:01] <jmarsden> marks256: See http://www.frostytech.com/top5_lowprofile_heatsinks.cfm for some examples
[01:02] <marks256> jmarsden, those only go down to 1.5u by the looks of it
[01:02] <KurtKraut> marks256, building a 1U server in a DIY way is quite hard and even impossible depending on what country you are.
[01:03] <marks256> KurtKraut, i'm in the US
[01:03] <KurtKraut> marks256, oh, so you can even DIY an atomic bomb, don't mind.
[01:03] <jmarsden> marks: OK, try something like http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=8880006&SourceID=k232270  -- more generally, use Google :)
[01:03] <marks256> KurtKraut, :p
[01:04] <marks256> jmarsden, sweet thanks. i'll look for some low profile coolers then :)
[01:39] <lamont> ScottK: I just noticed yet more SPF blocked mail that shouldn't have been...
[01:39] <ScottK> lamont: What's the scenario?
[01:39] <lamont> mind you, that's because there's an email addr I manage that is an alias for user@msn.com, so anytime they get email from @msn.com, they don't.
[01:41] <ScottK> The SPF record for msn.com does not describe itself as a complete list of authorized sources for msn.com mail, so SMTP time rejection based only on SPF would be "Not the best way to do it".
[01:41] <lamont> but then, that's the specific use-case that the SPF author decided no one should use.
[01:42] <lamont> yeah - I think it's more msn muppetry than just spf could explain
[01:45] <ScottK> My view is that anyone still using Hotmail, MSN, etc. have decided they don't really care about receiving mail.
[01:45] <lamont> heh
[01:47] <ScottK> Also some other data I have access to does tell me that msn.com mail that doesn't pass SPF is almost certainly not something you want in your inbox.  Not the the stuff that passes is so great.
[01:49] <lamont> well, this was mail from @msn.com -> info@foo.com (virt map to) -> msn.com, rejected by msn.com
[01:52] <JanC> IME all the big "free" email providers lose mail from time to time and sometimes have large internal delays  ;)
[01:53] <ScottK> JanC: Hotmail and company are 'special' in this regard.
[01:53] <JanC> I have more issues with gmail currently (because more people use it maybe)
[01:55] <JanC> I don't even answer to complaints from people not receiving their forum membership confirmation mail anymore, unless they didn't post to the forum within 3 days  ;)
[01:56] <JanC> but I also have complaints from people using gmail (and only gmail) who don't receive some mails from ubuntu lists
[01:59] <ScottK> lamont: Any idea why senderbase would think eth0.yttrium.canonical.com sends mail? http://www.senderbase.org/senderbase_queries/detaildomain?search_string=canonical.com
[02:00] <ScottK> I'm sort of guessing it either doesn't or isn't supposed to.
[02:00] <ScottK> JanC: Where do the confirmation mails come from?
[02:10] <JanC> ScottK: the forum confirmation mails come from my VPS (that also runs the forum)
[02:11] <JanC> also, it's perfectly acceptable for mail to not be instant messaging, it's just that people don't understand that  ;-)
[02:14] <JanC> at least they do the delays internally; microsoft loves (or loved?) to "throttle" at their incoming servers, which isn't always funny for providers...
[02:21] <ScottK> Yahoo.com.
[02:21] <ScottK> ... also is aggressive about throttling new IPs
[02:35] <lamont> ScottK: that's the millbank offiuce
[02:58] <Liberty> I'm looking for help on my new server Web server works and I can call directory through ssh.. but I cant  log in remotly from my ubuntu destop machine
[03:04] <Wallace> what app should I use to retrieve email from my isp (for e.g. via pop3) and dump it into the local system?
[03:05] <Sam-I-Am> fetchmail
[03:05] <Liberty> I have just installed karmic server. I can get sftp through ssh I can get on with firefox but I can't get remote terminal to work
[03:05] <Wallace> thx :)
[03:06] <Sam-I-Am> remote terminal.. ssh <hostname> ?
[03:07] <Liberty> sam I am through terminal? my ubuntu system doesn't know server name I use IP address
[03:08] <Sam-I-Am> yeah, thats how ssh works... through the terminal
[03:08] <Liberty> i didn't know I just logged on .. :) so simple  .. thanks !!!
[03:08] <Sam-I-Am> yeah...
[03:09] <Liberty> This is kewl 1st shot and I got it all ..
[08:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #486580 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package mysql-client-5.1 5.1.37-1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486580
[09:55] <aftertaf> hello : i need help diagnosing a potential dns resolution issue. slowness with Bind on local network for local and net resolution
[09:58] <jmarsden> aftertaf: It's 2am here and my brain is slowing down, but... OK, what did you try already to diagnose the issue?
[09:59] <aftertaf> :))
[09:59] <aftertaf> well, sometimes it goes real slow to resolve internet adresses . . .
[10:00] <aftertaf> i'm on karmic on my PC and have a lenny server setup as my dhcp/dns server, with forwarding etc.
[10:00] <aftertaf> it's all setup 'correctly' in as DNS resolution works both for my local zone and internet.... but sometimes it takes time to respond, even locally...
[10:00] <jmarsden> So if the issue is that a Debian Lenny DNS server is slow... why are you asking about that in #ubuntu-server?  Or am I misunderstanding what you are asking?
[10:01] <aftertaf> example : ssh to my server (though i ran -v and saw the connection happens immediately, its the rsa negociation that is taking time on this example . . ;:()
[10:01] <aftertaf> seeing as i have debian server and ubuntu box, i asked in both . . .
[10:02] <jmarsden> Is there a Ubuntu server involved somewhere?  If not, #ubuntu-server is probably not the right channel to use :)
[10:03] <aftertaf> :)
[10:03] <aftertaf> true
[10:04] <jmarsden> if you think the issue is on the client (Ubuntu) desktop machine, ask in #ubuntu.  If you think the issue is with the DNS server on Debian Lenny, ask in #debian or maybe #bind
[10:04] <aftertaf> it there a huge difference in both distribs, concerning my usage ?
[10:05] <jmarsden> Probably not, actually, in this case, but it's confusing to use the "wrong" channel.  I'll continue in #debian...
[10:05] <aftertaf> :)
[10:05] <aftertaf> you can get yourself to bed too . . ;)
[10:06] <jmarsden> Yes, that's not a bad idea as well :)
[11:16] <alex88> morning all..
[11:16] <alex88> i have a xen vpn with 9.04, someone knows if there is a special way to upgrade to karmik?
[11:16] <alex88> cause using standard mode it crashes the system
[12:06] <MatBoy> mhh, I'm wondering if I shall use powerDNS or just bind for my DNS management
[12:43] <tmus> Hey guys, I'm trying to build a minimal server (for a router/server setup) using karmic debootstrap. Everything works fine, but I can't get my danish keyboard to work (not really a showstopper, but it's starting to annoy me :-)). It just doesn't work (tty). Performing a standard install, the keyboard works fine, so I'm sure i'm just missing a small but important detail. Anyone?
[13:48] <Dawgmatix_> I want looking to test some distributed code I have written by running multiple virtual machines on my workstation. any ideas how I can easily get ~8 instances of ubuntu running on my workstation ?
[14:15] <ahe> Dawgmatix_: how many do you get running?
[14:15] <ahe> i only tried with two machines in virtualbox so far but i think at min. 4 shouldn't be a problem on a dual core machine
[14:16] <ahe> but it mostly depends on how big your virtual machines are and how powerful your physical machine is
[14:18] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #485973 in php5 (main) "php5-cgi: IMAP toolkit crash" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485973
[14:23] <Liberty> I am tryinting to get my new Karmic Server cups to work
[14:23] <Liberty> I don't know how to get the machine to see the printer
[14:27] <Liberty> 210 people and no one has anything to say ;) sure is a quiet bunch
[14:35] <tmus> Hey guys, I'm trying to build a minimal karmic server (for a router/server setup) using debootstrap. Everything works fine, but I can't get my danish keyboard to work in a tty (not really a showstopper, but it's starting to annoy me :-)). Anyone?
[14:58] <Wallace> anybody know of an alternative to fetchmail for retrieving mail via pop3 and injecting it into the local mail system?
[15:08] <jbernard> Wallace: perhaps getmail4?
[15:09] <jbernard> Wallace: I've not used it, but it's described as 'a fetchamil replacement'
[15:09] <Wallace> thx, I'll have a look
[15:18] <BrixSat> hello
[15:19] <BrixSat> Nov 22 15:06:39 zeus proftpd[3247] zeus: Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly.
[15:19] <BrixSat> Nov 22 15:06:44 zeus proftpd[3249] zeus: Failed binding to ::, port 21: Address already in use
[15:19] <BrixSat> :S what is the problem for me dont have ftp?
[15:19] <Liberty> I can't get my Karmic gnomes machine to print out on my karmic server printer
[15:20] <BrixSat> stupid ftp
[15:20] <Liberty> TI can adnminster thopugh from the web browser
[15:23] <Liberty> can anyone help?
[15:26] <BrixSat> try the karmic support channeç
[15:28] <jbernard> BrixSat: it would appear that another process has already bound to port 21, quite likely another ftp daemon, do you have two ftpd's installed?
[15:28] <BrixSat> or what ever
[15:28] <BrixSat> jbernard no only one
[15:28] <BrixSat> proftpd is the only one
[15:29] <BrixSat> jbernard how can i know if i have only one?
[15:29] <jbernard> BrixSat: perhaps proftpd is already running then?
[15:29] <jbernard> BrixSat: netstat will tell you what processes are bound to which port
[15:29] <BrixSat> only proftpd
[15:30] <BrixSat> i will stop it
[15:30] <jbernard> BrixSat: it's currently running, listening on port 21?
[15:31] <BrixSat> netstat
[15:31] <BrixSat> http://pastebin.com/f23424e50
[15:32] <BrixSat> with out stopping the server!
[15:32] <BrixSat> and he does apears listed
[15:33] <jbernard> BrixSat: try 'netstat -tap'
[15:33] <jbernard> BrixSat: you could grep that for 'LISTEN'
[15:33] <jbernard> those are the lines your interested in
[15:33] <BrixSat> http://pastebin.com/f490dcfc2
[15:34] <jbernard> so it appears that your ftpd is run through inetd
[15:35] <jbernard> as opposed to standalone
[15:35] <BrixSat> yes is it ok or not?
[15:35] <jbernard> the config for that should be in /etc/inetd or some such thing
[15:35] <jbernard> i think it's fine
[15:35] <BrixSat> what would  you recomend?
[15:35] <BrixSat> going to that folder and view config
[15:36] <BrixSat> on the /etc/inetd.conf i have ftp     stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd
[15:38] <jbernard> ahh, there you go
[15:38] <jbernard> i think running through inetd is fine
[15:38] <BrixSat> but no ftp
[15:38] <BrixSat> Nov 22 15:34:52 zeus proftpd[7667] zeus: Failed binding to 0.0.0.0, port 21: Address already in use
[15:38] <BrixSat> Nov 22 15:34:52 zeus proftpd[7667] zeus: Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly.
[15:38] <jbernard> im not an expert on that though, i do know that opinions vary
[15:39] <jbernard> are you also starting proftpd standalone?
[15:39] <jbernard> like /etc/init.d/proftpd start, or something similar?
[15:39] <BrixSat> yes i used that
[15:39] <BrixSat> cant i do that way?
[15:40] <jbernard> the ftp daemon is already listening on port 21 because it's running from inetd, so subsequent attempts to run it standlone will always fail with that error
[15:41] <BrixSat> :o new one to me :D
[15:41] <BrixSat> i reebooted the machine
[15:41] <BrixSat> and same thing
[15:41] <BrixSat> i see on the login screen "Starting ftp server proftpd OK"
[15:41] <BrixSat> and no ftp
[15:43] <BrixSat> same thing failed to bind.....
[15:44] <jbernard> i suspect it's already listening on port 21 and your startup scrips are, for some reason, attempting to run proftpd more than once
[15:45] <BrixSat> i have removed the line from inedconf
[15:45] <jbernard> and restarted inetd?
[15:45] <BrixSat> rebooted pc
[15:45] <BrixSat> and i still se on the screen the ftp started ok
[15:46] <jbernard> and it's listening on port 21 now?
[15:46] <BrixSat> and now it is working :D
[15:46] <jbernard> ahh, fantastic
[15:46] <BrixSat> you solved my problem :D it was inet :D
[15:47] <jbernard> now don't touch anything ;)
[15:47] <BrixSat> very very very thanks :D
[15:47] <jbernard> you're welcome
[15:47] <BrixSat> ;)
[16:25] <Dream-Ubu> erm, installing server 9.10 and it keeps askking for a cd drive and, i dont have one all the files where copied directly to a harddrive yet its still askinng for drivers any ideas?
[16:34] <Dawgmatix_> ahe - sorry i was away
[16:34] <Dawgmatix_> yes i am trying virtualbox. but i was wondering if there are some other solutions which would start multiple virtual machines automatically at boottime
[16:35] <Dawgmatix_> i have a machine with 8 cores and 8 gigs of ram, so i am thinking of running 6 vms
[16:36] <ahe> Dawgmatix_: you could try out eucalyptus and UEC (which emulate Amazons EC2) but then you need to use special EC2 images
[16:36] <ahe> although there is a base image on which you can build
[16:36] <Dawgmatix_> ahe, i was looking at that too, but was a bit overwhelmed by the documentation :)
[16:36] <Dawgmatix_> for eg the default example suggests using a host machine , and then other machines which actually run vms
[16:37] <ahe> didn't try it myself yet, but my 4 core to be node cluster machine comes tomorrow :)
[16:37] <Dawgmatix_> I dont know if having the same machine as the main eucalyptus controller as well as running eucalyptus machines works
[16:37] <ahe> you need at least two machines
[16:37] <Dawgmatix_> :(
[16:38] <ahe> someone got it running but it's a bad hack and therefore he didn't document it
[16:38] <Dawgmatix_> oic
[16:38] <ahe> the upside is the frontend machine can be a very cheap one
[16:38] <Dawgmatix_> okay, in that case I have a very old laptop
[16:38] <Dawgmatix_> I can use that one - its an athlon 1.6 Ghz with a gig of ram
[16:39] <ahe> that should work
[16:39] <Dawgmatix_> btw one host machine can run multiple virtual machines right ?
[16:39] <ahe> hardware requirements/suggestions are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall
[16:39] <ahe> according to the documentation one per core
[16:39] <ahe> so you should get your 8 machines running
[16:39] <Dawgmatix_> cool thats nice :)
[16:39] <TeTeT> Dawgmatix_ + ahe : be aware that in UEC the instances on the node do not have any state, so in case of a powerdown they come back vanilla
[16:40] <Dawgmatix_> oh noes
[16:40] <ahe> oh yeah, right
[16:40] <TeTeT> it's compatible with amazon EC2 and that does not retain state either
[16:40] <TeTeT> so if you just want a couple of virtual machines running services, go with kvm
[16:40] <ahe> Dawgmatix_: you could also go with plain kvm
[16:40] <Dawgmatix_> any other recommendations - i am just starting and just need a testbed on whcih to write distributed networking code
[16:41] <TeTeT> Dawgmatix_: kvm with bridged networking might be best suited then
[16:41] <Dawgmatix_> does kvm running freebsd run slower than kvm running linux in linux ?
[16:41] <ahe> it should be possible to use a start script to start all vms on boot up
[16:42] <Dawgmatix_> because the only time i tried kvm was when i tried a freebsd guest on an ubuntu karmic host. and it was really slow
[16:42] <Dawgmatix_> (as compared to virtualbox on this same machine)
[16:42] <TeTeT> Dawgmatix_: was hardware support enabled for virtualization on the box? By default it is off in the BIOS
[16:42] <TeTeT> Dawgmatix_: it sounds to me that you were running kvm in qemu mode
[16:43] <Dawgmatix_> yes i was
[16:43] <Dawgmatix_> also yes virtualization is enabled
[16:44] <ahe> by the way virtualbox has a command-line interface
[16:44] <ahe> it should be possible to automatically start your VMs with that on boot up too
[16:45] <Dawgmatix_> oic :)
[16:45] <Dawgmatix_> looks like theres much more to learn :)
[16:45] <Dawgmatix_> will read the kvm docs
[17:31] <kenpark> I updated to karmic, now I don't get a shell via ssh (login works) I have direct access to the machine: I need to press ctrl+c after local login to get a shell. How to fix this?
[17:32] <zoopster> kenpark: find what's keeping your login from completing and fix it?
[17:33] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: might be the update checker hanging
[17:34] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: script that runs at login to tell you if there are package updates
[17:35] <kenpark> How do I disable that script? I can't seem to find it in .bashrc?
[17:36] <kenpark> zoopster - thanks :-) I am having a hard time with this.
[17:37] <Sam-I-Am> iirc it generates an motd on the fly...
[17:37] <Sam-I-Am> does your machine have net access?
[17:44] <Sam-I-Am> the scripts that run are part of update-motd
[17:44] <Sam-I-Am> you can find them in /etc/update-motd.d
[17:45] <PorterTech> Hey guys, wondering if anyone could help me out with expanding a ebs volume that uses xfs.
[17:45] <PorterTech> I cannot get it to grow, because it doesnt detect change in disk size
[17:45] <kenpark> the machine does have internet access
[17:47] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: for some reason maybe its choking on trying to access the ubuntu servers.  might want to check on that... or just disable the scripts.
[17:47] <Sam-I-Am> personally i hate the login delay even on a system with good net access, so i kill those scripts anyway
[17:47] <Sam-I-Am> if i'm interested in updates i'll go find them :)
[17:48] <Sam-I-Am> you might also try touching .hushlogin in your home dir
[17:48] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: wish i could help, but i'm not familiar with ec2
[17:51] <PorterTech> its ok, I'm sure i will figure it out eventually
[17:51] <PorterTech> thanks tho
[17:51] <kenpark> Sam, this fixued it
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> i've done a lot with xfs, just not in the cloud \
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: which did?
[17:51] <kenpark> gee .. i would have never found out
[17:51] <kenpark> I moved all the scripts from /etc/update-motd.d to my home-dir
[17:51] <Sam-I-Am> heh
[17:52] <Sam-I-Am> there used to be a script called 'update-motd' where you could do 'update-motd --disable' but i'm not seeing that anymore on karmic
[17:53] <PorterTech> well, if i had a xfs file system on a 10GB disk, but then i mirrored it onto a larger disk and wanted to grow it to full disk size
[17:53] <PorterTech> but it didnt detect change in disk size
[17:54] <PorterTech> lol, just leave out the ec2 part
[17:54] <Sam-I-Am> that'd be an lvm thing...
[17:54] <PorterTech> it is mounted with mount -t xfs -o noatime "/dev/sdd1" "/mnt/ebs"
[17:54] <Sam-I-Am> it should see the partition table grow
[17:55] <Sam-I-Am> does lvm show the addition?
[17:56] <PorterTech> one sec, just startup up the instance
[17:56] <PorterTech> starting*
[18:00] <PorterTech> lvm is not installed
[18:01] <Sam-I-Am> so... you added a completely separate disk and want to expand a single filesystem over to it?
[18:01] <PorterTech> well, I used a snapshot of the 10 GB disk and created a 20GB disk with it
[18:02] <Sam-I-Am> did you just write the image bitwise?
[18:02] <Sam-I-Am> like... dd
[18:03] <PorterTech> its an exact bit copy
[18:03] <kenpark> Actually the problem is caused by landscape-sysinfo. There is a script that runs /usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo. Once started everything just hangs.
[18:03] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: yeah, so your 20gb disk/partition thinks its a 10gb disk/partition still
[18:04] <Sam-I-Am> because that image probably contains the partition info from that 10gb
[18:04] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: yeah, thats what the script runs iirc
[18:04] <Sam-I-Am> kenpark: you should really figure out why thats hanging tho... sounds like a network issue.
[18:05] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: lvm is designed to do things like this... not plain old partitioning.  if you dont mind a chance at losing the data there, you might try expanding the partition with fdisk to fill the remaining 20gb
[18:06] <Sam-I-Am> but... ymmv
[18:06] <Sam-I-Am> lvm lets you do all sorts of disk addition and partition resizing on the fly
[18:06] <PorterTech> ya, it wasnt setup with lvm or md
[18:07] <PorterTech> wont fdisk completely corupt all of the data?
[18:07] <kenpark> Sam: It appears there is some kind of issure with acpi that causes it to hang
[18:07] <PorterTech> can i not some how update thexfs metadata?
[18:09] <kenpark> Thank you Sam, I think I am going to look for the acpi thingy :D
[18:09] <PorterTech> i think i am going to create another volume, and rsynk --links -av
[18:10] <PorterTech> rsync*
[18:13] <spiritof76> I am having trouble connecting desktop wirh server to print
[18:14] <spiritof76> Can print from server but cant get print from desktop
[18:14] <spiritof76> can call call the cups server from desktop
[18:19] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: yeah, rsync works too
[18:20] <Sam-I-Am> PorterTech: fdisk might not corrupt the data as long as it starts at the same place... and theres nothing scattered around the disk.  its a hack and has some requirements :)
[18:21] <Sam-I-Am> i need to get some work done outside... back later
[18:22] <spiritof76> Can any any one help me with printing to my server from desktop
[18:29] <PorterTech> thanks sam!
[18:37] <spiritof76> I can't get my server printer to print from my desktop..
[19:17] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #302012 in xinetd (main) "Update from 804 to 810 Xinetd and Update manager" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302012
[19:21] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #351509 in vm-builder (universe) "vmbuilder should provide an option to choose which libvirt virtual network" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351509
[19:43] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #366268 in vm-builder (universe) "fails if no ssh keys exist" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366268
[19:46] <MK13> i just setup hostapd with this tutorial: http://blog.robin.smidsrod.no/index.php/2008/08/08/how_to_setup_an_atheros_based_access_poi  , other devices now see the ssid i put up however they have no internet access (i do not know if this is because of IP problems or bridging problems)
[19:57] <Wallace> anybody know where TLS certificates used by dovecot live / how to generate them?  I did this last week, but i need to change the hostname, and I can't remember how I did it or find the instructions I followed
[20:00] <qman__> Wallace, the SSL certs dovecot uses are specified in the main dovecot configuratino
[20:00] <qman__> configuration*
[20:07] <Wallace> qman: yeah, but I created one for my host...now i want to replace it with a new one, and I can't remember how i created it
[20:46] <thomas_newbie__> how to list all related packages to "ssh" with apt-get ?
[20:49] <KurtKraut> thomas_newbie__, try aptitude search ssh
[21:15] <Noble> Hi, having problems with a Zimbra install on 9.10. Dependency libgmp3 is not found in the repos.
[21:19] <Noble> Hi, having problems with a Zimbra install on 9.10. Dependency  libgmp3 is not found in the repos.
[22:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #486831 in samba (main) "Nautilus network share - browsing windows computer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486831
[22:57] <erichammond> PorterTech (gone): I think you were looking for: xfs_growfs /mountedvolume
[23:00] <crohakon> is there a free alternative to cpanel?
[23:07] <GammalSokk> hmm... if I want to run two samba servers on the same pc, one on each of it's two network cards with separate configs, how do I do that?
[23:08] <GammalSokk> in 9.04 that is
[23:15] <andol> GammalSokk: In (very) short you need separate copies of /etc/samba/smb.conf and /etc/init.d/samba. You'll also need separate copies of the files and folders being refered to from those files.
[23:23] <andol> GammalSokk: Of course, just for the fun of it, some files and folders might not explicitly be refered to from smb.conf, but simply from default settings.
[23:24] <GammalSokk> hmm... the /etc/init.d/samba doesn't refer it to a config file to use... so I guess it uses /etc/samba/smb.conf as default so I would have to add wich config file to use in the init for the 2nd samba I guess