[05:07] <mac_v> d3xter: the updates are not to be shown in the indicator applet... they are planning on a system menu or whateever it is called for lucid
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[17:56] <djsiegel> mac_v: first lucid papercut milestoned: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/487208 :)
[17:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487208 in hundredpapercuts "Make tooltips consistent with Ubuntu's look and feel" [Undecided,New]
[17:58] <mac_v> djsiegel: nice :) 
[17:59] <djsiegel> mac_v: I am cleaning up the Karmic milestones
[17:59] <mac_v> djsiegel: also have a look at this > http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2009/10/26/5-little-things/ , this also needs to be implemented to get the full look from mccann's blog
[17:59] <djsiegel> and I will blog today about Karmic retrospective and Lucid plans
[17:59] <djsiegel> mac_v: I don't want the "full look" :)
[17:59] <djsiegel> Just updated tooltips
[18:00] <mac_v> djsiegel: the rounded tooltips
[18:00] <mac_v> oh , ok ;)
[18:00] <mac_v> djsiegel:  but yeah , the consistent location should be a good fix 
[18:02] <mac_v> djsiegel: can we rename the milestones to Lucid R1 and such ? it would be easier to differentiate and also for the future releases as well
[18:02] <djsiegel> mac_v: the old milestones will disappear
[18:02] <djsiegel> once we mark them released
[18:03] <mac_v> djsiegel: hmm , didnt know that... thats good... i got confused since for the rest of the projects the milestones dont go away
[18:04] <djsiegel> really?
[18:04] <djsiegel> maybe they aren't releasing
[18:04] <djsiegel> yeah, I get round 1 is gone now
[18:08] <djsiegel> beuno-lunch: how do I get to viewing the bugtask in the right project?
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[18:08] <mac_v> djsiegel: Bug #388949 , this is a very simple one , it already has the patch , you just need to mail the nautilus mailing list
[18:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 388949 in hundredpapercuts "'Clean Up by Name' -> 'Arrange by Name'" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/388949
[18:08] <beuno> djsiegel, what do you mean?
[18:08] <djsiegel> beuno: so I am looking at a bug
[18:08] <mac_v> that can be fixed in the lucid round 1^
[18:09] <djsiegel> it has this links for actions like
[18:09] <djsiegel> Nominate for a release
[18:09] <beuno> aha
[18:09] <djsiegel> they affect the bugtask I am currently viewing
[18:09] <djsiegel> super confusing
[18:09] <beuno> ah,yes
[18:09] <djsiegel> I want to "get to" the same bug I am currently looking at, in the hundredpapercuts project
[18:09] <beuno> hmmmm
[18:09] <beuno> interesting
[18:10] <beuno> there is no good way of doing that really
[18:10] <beuno> you need to get to it via the project
[18:10] <beuno> os basically search for it from the project you want it
[18:10] <djsiegel> I did
[18:10] <beuno> and it didn't work?
[18:10] <djsiegel> I got to it from the hundredpapercuts project property
[18:11] <djsiegel> and the active bugtask is nautilus (ubuntu)
[18:11] <beuno> djsiegel, can you send me the link from where you clicked on?
[18:11] <beuno> it's a pretty big bug if that did happen
[18:11] <djsiegel> https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+milestone/round-1
[18:12] <beuno> argh
[18:12] <beuno> it's a bug on that listing
[18:12] <beuno> if you go from, say, here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts
[18:12] <beuno> it will DTRT
[18:12] <beuno> I'll file the bug
[18:13] <djsiegel> cool, thanks
[18:17] <djsiegel> mac_v: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[18:17] <djsiegel> here is our schedule
[18:18] <djsiegel> If we start next week, and skip a week for the holidays, we can have 13 milestones before UI freeze
[18:19] <djsiegel> rickspencer3: hey
[18:19] <djsiegel> rickspencer3: ^^
[18:19] <djsiegel> I am drawing to draft a paper cuts schedule
[18:19] <mac_v> djsiegel: hmm , can we mention the papercuts somewhere in the schedule ? that schedule is referenced by a lot of +1 testers , so it would get more attention to the papercuts
[18:19] <djsiegel> mac_v, yes I think we can do that
[18:19] <djsiegel> once we decide on the schedule
[18:19] <beuno> djsiegel, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/487223
[18:19] <djsiegel> after U1 freeze, what kind of paper cuts can we fix?
[18:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487223 in launchpad-registry "Bug listing URLs on milestones are contextless" [Undecided,New]
[18:20] <djsiegel> *UI freeze
[18:20] <mac_v> djsiegel: after UI , probably , bug which dont affect the translations
[18:20] <mac_v> bugs*
[18:21] <mac_v> djsiegel: or those which dont need screenshots to be updated
[18:21] <djsiegel> yeah
[18:21] <djsiegel> Ix bugs
[18:22] <djsiegel> Ok, since this is LTS, lets not milestone past UI freeze, actually
[18:22] <mac_v> good plan 
[18:35] <djsiegel> MDC1: thank you can tackle: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/46846
[18:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 46846 in hundredpapercuts "Emblems get cut when scaled to a zoom >= 150% (refresh issue)" [Undecided,In progress]
[19:41] <d3xter> mac_v: and what about other entry's like "chris sent you a message" or "new wireless networks available"?
[19:42] <mac_v> d3xter: hmm , why should they show up in the indicator applet? you get the notifications already right... [maybe I havent understood you idea fully]
[19:44] <d3xter> mac_v: they should show up in the dropdown list, so the user can click on the "new message"-entry and the chat-window opens up
[19:44] <d3xter> for example
[19:45] <d3xter> so it is easier for the user to react to certain "events"
[19:45] <d3xter> s/to/at
[19:46] <mac_v> d3xter: hmm , what happens when user receives 10 IM messages ? 
[19:46] <mac_v> will 10 items be listed?
[19:46] <d3xter> mac_v: no, there will be 1 item per user listed
[19:46] <d3xter> maybe "3 new messages from chris"
[19:47] <mac_v> yeah , i meant 10 different users... but i dont see that as ideal ;)
[19:47] <d3xter> mac_v: oh ok, but there should be still a "Delete All"-Entry to delete all notifications :P
[19:48] <d3xter> they arent necessary, so
[19:49] <d3xter> mac_v: another possible items could be "New E-Mail received" or "You need to restart your computer"
[19:49] <d3xter> (after upgrading)
[19:51] <d3xter> or "Battery is low, do you want to Suspend?". There should be plenty of those, which would be useful
[19:51] <mac_v> d3xter: the indicator already shows the "New mail received" but not that verbose , but shows the new message count...  and the "restart required" is not something Ubuntu wants to be done in the indicator applet , that has been brought up several times and rejected :)
[19:52] <d3xter> mac_v: yes, because indicator-applet in its current state is completly different, thats why "Restared required" didnt make it into indicator-applet
[19:52] <d3xter> or maybe we could add another applet for those message ;)
[19:53] <mac_v> d3xter: the indicator applet is a messaging menu ... AFAIK , so will only remain for messaging related stuff..  ;)
[19:53] <mac_v> d3xter: there was a proposal for a system indicator , ScottK would know more about it 
[19:53] <d3xter> mac_v: it is? to me it seems like a menu with Im-Messengers and Mail-Clients in it ;)
[19:54] <mac_v> d3xter: yes ,those are all messaging stuff ;p
[19:54] <ScottK> I didn't pay attention to the details of what was going into the menus.
[19:55]  * ScottK was more interested in the underlying protocol stuff (e.g. die xembed, die!)
[19:55] <mac_v> ScottK: ah , you are here.. Hi.. any link to the system indicator UDS discussion?
[19:56] <mac_v> d3xter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu , has most of the info
[19:57] <d3xter> mac_v: ok thanks, i'll read through it
[19:57] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApplicationIndicatorsLucidPlan too
[20:00] <d3xter> mac_v: oh alright, so the messaging menu is moving towards another direct :)
[20:00] <d3xter> nvm
[20:01] <d3xter> s/direct/direction
[20:03] <mac_v> ScottK: ah.. thanks 
[20:04]  * mac_v wonders why the ayatana topic is still set to an UDS session
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[20:04] <ScottK> Because no one changed it.
[20:04] <mac_v> ;)
[20:04] <mac_v> ScottK: could you add the wiki links in the topic too?
[20:05] <ScottK> mac_v: I'm guessing it's open.  I don't think I have any special powers here.
[20:05] <ScottK> If I do, I've no idea how I got them.
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[20:14] <mac_v> ScottK: ah , yeah it seems open to all :)
[20:14] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:41] <MDC1> djsiegel, yeah - i saw you assigned me that one ;)
[20:42] <MDC1> oh.. he's not online
[23:34] <djsiegel1> lamalex beuno DanRabbit mac_v, thoughts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Spec/382703#preview ?
[23:34] <djsiegel1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneHundredPaperCuts/Spec/382703
[23:35] <beuno> djsiegel1, +1
[23:35] <beuno> and if I get 2 votes, +2
[23:37] <fagan> +1
[23:47] <lamalex> +1
[23:52] <djsiegel1> hmm, maybe we should just use short username (directory name) everywhere...
[23:52] <djsiegel1> gah!
[23:53] <lamalex> I think Home is nicer
[23:53] <lamalex> go home
[23:53] <lamalex> feels safe