[06:26] <^arky^> Hi any see this warnings "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge": libatk-bridge.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[06:26] <^arky^> Is there a bug related to that GTK-warnings
[06:27] <micahg> idk ^arky^, have you searched yet?
[06:27] <^arky^> hi micahg , I did
[06:28] <^arky^> no results that match this particular warning in lucid yet
[06:28] <^arky^> is this transitional problem, trying to get to package maintainer
[06:29] <^arky^> view on this
[06:29] <micahg> ^arky^: if you're running lynx, Ubuntu+1 is open again
[06:29] <^arky^> sorry micahg , didn't understand you
[06:29] <diffra> Hi all, was wondering if i could get some help with bug 473852
[06:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 473852 in tsclient "Unable to add Terminal Server Client Panel Applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/473852
[06:30] <diffra> It's fixed upstream in debian -- what's the process to request that it get backported, or is it just assumed broken until lucid?
[06:30] <micahg> diffra: do you have a link to the debian bug?
[06:31] <micahg> ^arky^: if you're running lucid, the support nchannel #ubuntu+1 is open agai
[06:31] <^arky^> ah! I get it
[06:32] <diffra> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538035
[06:32] <ubot4> Debian bug 538035 in tsclient "tsclient: Applet is broken in 0.150-2" [Important,Fixed]
[06:33] <micahg> diffra: how experienced are you?
[06:34] <diffra> in ubuntu bugs?  not terribly.  I'm a linux admin by trade though, so fairly experienced in most other things.
[06:35] <micahg> diffra: if you can prepare the patch, it will get done a lot faster
[06:36] <micahg> diffra: does the tsclient app still work ok?
[06:36] <diffra> the app itself?  yeah.  The panel applet is the only thing that's broken.
[06:36] <micahg> ok
[06:37] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[06:38] <micahg> diffra: that's the procedure for getting an update to a current release
[06:39] <diffra> So, if i'm understanding correctly, i'd need to supply the patch (is this different from the patch to the debian bug?  i'd assume not.)
[06:39] <micahg> diffra: you'll also want to click the Nominate for Release if you'd like to see the fix in Karmic
[06:40] <diffra> nod.
[06:41] <micahg> it should be a pretty simple patch
[06:41] <diffra> So, i'd need to first get it into Lucid though, per the SRU policy, no?  it still has the same broken version.
[06:42] <micahg> yes, the way to do that would be to request a sync if one doesn't exist
[06:43] <micahg> diffra: there's a command line tool in ubuntu-dev-tools to request a sync
[06:43] <micahg> call requestsync
[07:58] <matti> ;]
[10:00] <LimCore> atop patch does not automatically rebuild kernel - it seems?
[10:01] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atop/+bug/134159
[10:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 134159 in atop "atop Kernel patch doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:15] <LimCore> this is nice: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[10:16] <LimCore> ... but I have 0 interest in reading some geeky stuff when I just want atop to simly Just Work.
[10:16] <micahg> LimCore: then file a request for a feature enhancement
[10:21] <LimCore> micahg: ok I just  did. Does it look fine?
[10:21] <micahg> in atop?
[10:22] <LimCore> the problem is universall I guess,  but for example also in atop
[10:22] <micahg> what's the bug #?
[10:24]  * LimCore_ makes joke about his ISP apparently upgrading to 9.10
[10:25] <LimCore_> micahg: as I linked 10 lines above
[10:25] <LimCore_> btw:   E: Unable to find a source package for linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.31-14-generic                when I follow that wiki  page
[10:25] <matti> ;]
[10:27] <LimCore_> so, can you confirm installing atop's network counter is indeed buggy (because it doesnt Just Work)
[10:28] <LimCore_> anyway that wiki entry is outdated, doesnt work in 9.10
[10:31] <micahg> LimCore that bug was closed invalid 2 years ago
[10:32] <LimCore_> yeah
[10:33] <micahg> and there were instruction in there
[10:33] <LimCore_> and now, 2 years later, still it is hard to install atop patches.
[10:33] <LimCore_> this instructions (wiki page I linked above) fail even in first steps
[10:33] <LimCore_> E: Unable to find a source package for linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.31-14-generic
[10:34] <micahg> LimCore did you read the last post in that bug report before adding a comment?
[10:34] <LimCore_> ok maybe I missread the part of wiki about modules. hm
[10:35] <LimCore_> The one linking to now-not-existing ubuntu forum thread?  It was not all that helpfull
[10:35] <micahg> no, the part about filing a wishlist bug request for the functionality you need
[10:36] <LimCore_> new bug. well ok
[10:36] <micahg> no one ever filed it, hence it never got done
[10:36] <LimCore_> I even have shortcut to report new bugs in ubuntu
[10:37] <LimCore_> with 9.10, I think I should make a keyboard shortcut ;)
[10:37] <micahg> everyone has a shortcut: ubuntu-bug package
[10:37] <thekorn> hehe
[10:37] <LimCore_> typing this so many times a day?  super+f12 for the win
[10:37] <micahg> we don't want random bugs filed against the ubuntu distro
[10:38] <micahg> or rather, would not like to encourage
[10:38] <LimCore_> I was going to fill it agains gentoo, but then they said they do not support ubuntu all that much
[10:38] <micahg> ugh...
[10:39] <LimCore_> this bug in particullar is typicall ubunty related bug - related to ubuntu specyfic packaging/installing
[10:39] <micahg> I meant we prefer them filed against the package in question
[10:39] <micahg> not that we don't want bugs filed
[10:39] <LimCore_> hehe I found a bug WHILE reporting a bug!
[10:39] <micahg> ok
[10:40] <LimCore_> once I found a bug, while I was reporting a bug that I found while reporting a bug discovered when debugging bug in kmail
[10:42] <LimCore_> this is the atop wish: usr/share/doc/kernel-patch-atopcnt/README-kernelpatch.Debian   please confirm it
[10:42] <LimCore_> erm
[10:42] <LimCore_> this is the atop wish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atoppatch/+bug/487041   please confirm it
[10:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487041 in atoppatch "kernel does not auto rebuild, nor does it help to do so" [Undecided,New]
[10:44] <micahg> I wishlisted it
[10:44]  * micahg has to go to bed
[10:44] <LimCore_> wait wait theres more
[10:44] <micahg> ok
[10:46] <micahg> LimCore_: ??
[10:46] <LimCore_> There is the bug (wish) I found while reporting the above bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/487044
[10:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487044 in apport "does not offer to choose firefox profile / browser session" [Undecided,New]
[10:47] <micahg> I think that's a won't fix, you can set firefox to always prompt you for a profile
[10:48] <LimCore_> but it is already opened
[10:48] <LimCore_> I have 2 profiles running
[10:49] <LimCore_> in one I bash ubuntu in other gentoo ;)
[10:50] <micahg> hmmm, I'm not sure you can open the same profile twice
[10:52] <LimCore_> dunno
[10:53] <LimCore_> maybe we just show a window like "We opened launchpad page in the browser - the last profile/window; You can also close not needed firefox profile and try again if needed" or something
[10:53] <micahg> ok, off to sleep
[10:53] <LimCore_> cu
[13:35] <MagicFab> Has anyone hit this one ? Can you please assign importance ? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer0.10/+bug/486646 Thank you!
[13:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486646 in gstreamer0.10 "Totem won't play DVDs "you may not have permission to open this file" (clean install)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:40] <seb128> MagicFab, there is a zillion bugs about dvd playing being buggy
[13:41] <seb128> MagicFab, bug #469603 for example
[13:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 469603 in gstreamer0.10 "totem will not play dvd movies or audio cd's since upgrade to karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/469603
[13:42] <seb128> bug #466389
[13:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 466389 in gstreamer0.10 "totem hangs when try to play DVD" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/466389
[13:49] <MagicFab> seb128, hanging is different
[13:49] <seb128> MagicFab, what about the first one?
[13:49] <MagicFab> seb128, and the first one would be a dup - I searched, couldn't find someting with enough resemblance to my issue
[13:49] <MagicFab> tx
[13:50] <seb128> you're welcome
[13:50] <MagicFab> mine is a clean install so no, not a dup.
[13:50] <seb128> short story, dvd playing is known to be broken
[13:50] <seb128> we have a zillion on similar looking bugs
[13:50] <seb128> but nobody is working on dvd playing
[13:51] <seb128> especially not on libdvdcss, etc issue
[13:51] <seb128> since those can't be legaly distributed or be part of the install anyway
[13:51] <MagicFab> seb128, agreed, so Totem should at least fail completely/gracefully instead of locking up or proposing codecs that won't fix the issue.
[13:52] <seb128> right
[15:34] <bddebian> Boo
[15:38] <WeatherGod> kinda of a dead monday, isn't it?
[16:08] <WeatherGod> any ideas what should be done with bug 487135?
[16:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487135 in ubuntu "No Gimp in Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487135
[16:08] <diffra> WeatherGod: AFAIK this is by design
[16:08] <WeatherGod> yeah... and it is still in the repos and the CD.... just not installed by default
[16:09] <WeatherGod> they are arguing that there isn't a suitable equivalent of MS Paint to fill the gap
[16:10] <diffra> It's funny, I actually had a personal experience with this last night.
[16:10] <WeatherGod> oh?
[16:10] <diffra> My wife (longtime windows user, uses my ubuntu machine from time to time.) wanted to resize some images on a memory card.
[16:10] <diffra> watching her struggle with gimp made me realize how good of a decision this was.
[16:11] <WeatherGod> yeah, I know... it is much easier to use convert from the command-line
[16:11] <WeatherGod> :-P
[16:11] <diffra> I agree :-P
[16:12] <WeatherGod> but, I really don't have that many issues with gimp... it really is a good program
[16:12] <WeatherGod> I do admit that there are some stumbling blocks sometimes
[16:12] <diffra> Sure, it's just too complicated for a default image editor.
[16:12] <WeatherGod> I still get a little frustrated when I want to do a simple erase
[16:12] <WeatherGod> yeah
[16:12] <yofel> hm, that's more something that should got to brainstorm or the devel-discuss ML
[16:13] <yofel> and yes, GIMP is too complicated
[16:13] <WeatherGod> yofel... I agree
[16:13] <WeatherGod> this isn't the right place for this
[16:14] <WeatherGod> also, could somebody wishlist bug 487136?
[16:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487136 in twinkle "Add a sound level meter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487136
[16:44] <nperry> !info twinkle
[16:45] <WeatherGod> huh... wonder if the bot is broken or something?
[16:49] <nperry> Trying to find upstream info
[16:49] <nperry> Not sure if its the right email address to what google has given me.
[16:51] <yofel> !ping
[16:51] <ubot4> Here I am, brain the size of a planet and you expect me to respond to a ping? How depressing.
[16:52] <WeatherGod> haha!
[16:52] <mrand> I guess you could enter the bug report in Debian, since that is upstream for us anyway, right?
[16:53] <mrand> (for twinkle)
[16:53] <WeatherGod> the maintainer is listed as the Debian VoIP team
[16:53] <WeatherGod> and it is auto synced
[16:54] <WeatherGod> so, I am guessing that there really isn't anyone looking at these reports on launchpad
[16:55] <nperry> There is a couple of bugs under package twinkle
[16:55] <nperry> Bug # 148993
[16:55] <nperry> Is the oldest :s
[16:55] <yofel> bug 148993
[16:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 148993 in wengophone "VoIP application descriptions for similar packages completely different in K menu" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148993
[16:56] <mrand> WeatherGod: agreed
[16:56] <WeatherGod> and, it doesn't look like anybody has worked on these
[16:56] <WeatherGod> for all we know, some of these have already been fixed
[16:58] <nperry> Invaild all and post if this bug isn't fixed in recent build mark as new?
[16:59] <WeatherGod> I would see if there is some way to set an upstream link
[17:00] <WeatherGod> or at least see if the Twinkle developers need to update contact info
[17:00] <mrand> Just changed two bugs to public in twinkle.  They are recent crashes that could/should probably be pushed upstream.
[17:27] <WeatherGod> any ideas for what more we can do for this guy?  bug 484875
[17:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484875 in linux "Nvidia GPU overheating on Toshiba P100" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484875
[17:27] <WeatherGod> he tried the absolute latest nvidia drivers and they still don't control his graphics card fan correctly
[17:31] <micahg> WeatherGod: is it CPU or GPU?
[17:31] <WeatherGod> GPU
[17:31] <micahg> user seems to be confused
[17:32] <WeatherGod> oh?
[17:32] <micahg> not the op, I guess
[17:32] <WeatherGod> he says that the CPU temp is stable, but the GPU temp rises while using Ubuntu
[17:33] <WeatherGod> ah, Rakhmad?
[17:33] <WeatherGod> yeah, he isn't the op
[17:33] <micahg> well, if it's the graphics drivers, linux isn't the right package
[17:33] <micahg> but I don't know where the GPU is controlled
[17:33] <micahg> have you talked to #ubuntu-x and #ubuntu-kernel?
[17:33] <WeatherGod> right, but I wasn't sure if it was acpi related or not
[17:33] <WeatherGod> no, probably should go there next
[17:34] <micahg> yeah, try #ubuntu-x, see if the graphics drivers control the GPU
[17:34] <micahg> if so, then maybe an upstream nvidia bug is necessary, but they'll be able to advise you better WeatherGod
[17:34] <WeatherGod> gotcha
[17:42] <WeatherGod> micahg, not a chatty group, but it looks like they wanted it filed against the nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 package, fy
[17:42] <WeatherGod> *fyi
[17:42] <micahg> right, that's what I was wondering
[17:42] <micahg> that's the latest package in ubuntu
[17:49] <WeatherGod> heh, they are claiming it is a hardware issue.... dispite the report that it works while logged into Windows
[18:15] <WeatherGod> micahg, the X people are now saying that it doesn't belong to the nvidia drivers, and passing me off to the kernel people
[18:16] <micahg> ok
[18:16] <micahg> that's why I suggested asking
[18:16] <micahg> it's not so clear :)
[18:16] <WeatherGod> and the kernel people have not said anything
[18:16] <WeatherGod> to anybody
[18:16] <WeatherGod> no, it isn't
[18:16] <micahg> well, you have to be patient
[18:17] <WeatherGod> yeah, not quite like this group... that's for sure
[18:17] <diffra> The kernel people are busy grooming their huge beards.
[18:17] <WeatherGod> haha!
[18:17] <micahg> ugh
[18:17] <WeatherGod> I am working on mine... maybe one day I can be a kernel person
[18:17] <micahg> they're very busy
[18:17] <micahg> it's a 30 person team
[18:17] <micahg> and they have 9k bugs to deal with
[18:18] <WeatherGod> well, how many of those are the auto-generated ones?
[18:18] <micahg> idk
[18:18] <micahg> but 4k are open and 5k are new
[18:18] <micahg> still a lot
[18:18] <micahg> they have weekly bug days
[18:18] <WeatherGod> lovely
[18:18] <micahg> they certainly can use the help if that's your inclination
[18:18] <WeatherGod> don't know a thing about kernel programing
[18:19] <micahg> also, the kernel is a lot of things in one
[18:19] <WeatherGod> I am a data cruncher
[18:19] <micahg> vs the packages that are usually individualized
[18:19] <WeatherGod> yeah... and a lot of bugs that come in do seem to get listed as kernel, even if it shouldn't
[18:22] <nperry> Could somone just look over bug #487221 please, not to sure what other information would be needed
[18:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487221 in sabnzbdplus "[Lucid] Unable to open sabnzbdplus - requires Python module Cheetah 2.0rc7 or highe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487221
[18:30] <WeatherGod> nperry, I think that you have given all there is to give
[18:34] <nperry> Just gotta be sure :)
[18:34] <WeatherGod> np
[19:09] <hggdh> So. How's life? Been disconnected for 2 days ;-)
[19:10] <WeatherGod> what, me?
[19:10] <hggdh> no, poor mesself
[19:10] <WeatherGod> yeah... wanted to catch up on some other stuff
[19:11] <WeatherGod> the initial rush of bug reports from karmic release has slowed down, as well
[20:00] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray, ogasawara: could you extend my bug control membership please?
[20:03] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx_: done
[20:04] <bcurtiswx_> bdmurray : thanks :D
[20:30] <WeatherGod> micahg: fyi, just got back from the kernel people... the answer to what controls the gpu fan is...
[20:30] <WeatherGod> it depends
[20:30] <WeatherGod> when there is kernel modesetting, it is the kernel
[20:30] <micahg> WeatherGod: nice, did they tell you what to do with the bug though
[20:30] <WeatherGod> when it isn't, then it is the driver
[20:31] <WeatherGod> micahg, since this is the binary nvidia driver... the only thing we can do is report it to nvidia and hope
[20:31] <WeatherGod> lots and lots of hope
[20:31] <micahg> WeatherGod: ok
[20:31] <WeatherGod> also, kernel modesetting is not used when using the binary drivers
[20:32] <WeatherGod> in the meantime, I have already asked the OR to try the open/free drivers to see if the problem goes away
[20:32] <WeatherGod> I am gonna see if there is some way to report this to nvidia
[20:36] <WeatherGod> whoot! there is a way to report bugs and send them useful info
[20:44] <WeatherGod> hey, on a completely different note, can anyone tell me if there is a standard operating procedure for fixing a foobared upgrade?
[20:45] <WeatherGod> bug 485043
[20:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 485043 in update-manager "Upgade from 8.04 to 9.10 failed - aborted - system almost unusable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485043
[20:45] <WeatherGod> I don't want to give the guy bad tips
[21:07] <mrand> WeatherGod: poor guy. I wonder if the connection problem ("serve may be overloaded".  Then "doUpdate() failed completely") contributed in any way to the "no script in the new version of the package" error, or if that is truly a packaging error (hard to believe... others would likely run into it).  Even still, looks like some poor error handling (by apport?)
[21:08] <WeatherGod> apport?  why apport?
[21:12] <mrand> WeatherGod: oops, my bad.  My eyes were crossing looking at a long line.  I thought it was mentioning apport on a line with ERROR in it.
[21:13] <WeatherGod> ah
[21:28] <Riotta> sorry for stupid question but
[21:28] <Riotta> or maybe nvm
[21:29] <Riotta> or, if the bug is linked with upstream bug and traged, and the upstream bug has got fix released, how long it take to fix being applied withing ubuntu itself
[21:30] <Riotta> it depends upon many factors or is there some standard answer for this?
[21:31] <WeatherGod> well, if nothing special happens, the fix will occur when then upstream packages are synced with the ubuntu repos
[21:32] <WeatherGod> however, I would imagine that the package maintainer for ubuntu could speed things up, if he wants
[21:33] <Riotta> okay
[21:36] <micahg> Riotta: you asking about the mouse?
[21:36] <Riotta> yeah
[21:40] <micahg> Riotta: that would be a question for #ubuntu-x, I don't know what their procedure is for backports of patches
[21:40] <micahg> Riotta: you might want to nominate for karmic is well if you'd like the patch to land there
[21:40] <micahg> *as well
[21:40] <Riotta> yeah I'm "speaking" with them
[21:40] <Riotta> thanks for the hint
[22:13] <awardle> Could someone set bug 487299 to a wishlist
[22:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487299 in firefox-3.0 "support for: *.celt, *.dbk, *.flac, *.html, *.icecast, *.odt, *.ogg, *.ogv, *.png, *.ps, *.spexx, *.tex, *.texi, *.theora, *.txt, *.xspf, not any support to: *.aspx, *.au, *.avi, *.bmp, *.doc, *.flv, *.gif, *.h.263, *.h.264, *.htm, *.jpeg, *.mpeg, *.mpg, *.pdf, *.php that is higher to version 3.0, *.ppt, *.reaplayer, *.rtf, *.swf, *.wmv, *.xls....." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487299
[22:16] <micahg> awardle: done
[22:16] <awardle> thanks
[22:19] <matti> ;]
[22:31] <kklimonda> is there some well known tag for translation bugs?
[22:32] <micahg> l10n?
[22:32] <micahg> oops
[22:33] <kklimonda> micahg: is it widely used?
[22:33] <micahg> no, sorry, that's why I said oops
[22:33] <kklimonda> :)
[22:33] <micahg> typed before I thought
[22:35] <micahg> kklimonda: you might want to check out the ubuntu-translations project
[22:35] <micahg> translation bugs should have a task there if we handle the translation
[22:36] <kklimonda> micahg: well, translation is done in LP but it's upstream work
[22:38] <bdmurray> its documented at ReportingBugs
[22:39] <bdmurray> Ubuntu Translations (ubuntu-translations) project
[22:42] <micahg> Riotta: have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[22:43] <Riotta> no I didn't saw that
[22:43] <Riotta> must read