=== jtisme is now known as jtholmes [04:52] I've read through the Testing ISO wiki I tried to subscribe to the current test images but they aren't showing up in My Subscriptions. Am I looking in the wrong place? [06:08] what need testing? [08:35] hello? is there anyone in here? [12:00] Hello everybody [12:02] davmor3: howdy [12:02] czajkowski: hello you back in uk timezone mode now? [12:03] I'm in my Irish timezone :) [12:05] you sure you're not in gmt? [12:12] Dublin [12:12] same thing [12:13] czajkowski: and greenwich is where again :P [12:13] davmor3: I'm in Irish timezone, same as UK., how's that [12:13] :) [12:14] that'll do [12:15] so is your head back in a real timezone anyway [12:16] more or less [12:16] czajkowski: good === fader|away is now known as fader_ [13:52] morning fader_ [13:52] davmor3: Howdy. Looks like you got an upgrade! [13:52] * fader_ hopes this version is better than the last. :) [13:53] davmor3: How's life? [13:55] back is a bit better but still hurting [13:55] meds are still knocking me about a bit [13:55] :/ [13:56] You've gotta get fixed up so I can start abusing you again! [13:57] you can abuse me but I'll just ignore you :P [14:04] davmor3: that defeats the purpose of abusing you though [14:05] ... or abusing anyone for that matter [14:05] cr3: yeah but it makes fader_ feel useful :) [14:05] I need *something* to feel useful about! [14:06] davmor3: you run gwibber? [14:07] czajkowski: yeap [14:08] davmor3: can you see if you have any similar issues Launchpad bug 487064 [14:08] Launchpad bug 487064 in gwibber "Message pane repaints frequently and resets the scroll status, losing reading position" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487064 [14:09] yes I noticed that but only if your in the top third of the list try scrolling about 2/3's of the way down and it stays there I think [14:11] davmor3: hmm , add that to ticket? [14:11] try it out first makes sure it does [14:14] good morning, cr3, fader_, davmor3 [14:14] morning moustafa1 === moustafa1 is now known as moustafaC [14:15] Hey dude [14:16] fader_: what? [14:16] davmor3: Wrong dude :P [14:17] fader_: you two timer you said I was the only dude in your life :'( [14:17] dudes, chillax [14:18] we're all each other's only dudes in each other's lives [14:19] moustafaC: we're just playing :) [14:19] we're free and open dudes [14:20] davmor3, I'm just adding [15:09] thanks marjo for accepting me into the qa team group :) [15:11] so guys how did uds go did you get some ideas? [15:11] * czajkowski has a long to do list [15:11] davmor3: yep loads of them [15:12] cool [15:13] davmor3: I loved the bug day ideas [15:13] don't we already have that? [15:13] But to make them better [15:13] fagan: welcome! [15:13] and to advertise them more [15:13] :D [15:14] :D [15:15] get moer community involvement [15:16] czajkowski: thats the idea [15:17] having small bug days once a week and big bug days once a month [15:17] So we can get to packages we may not have got to before [15:18] cool [15:19] davmor3: great email re fspot [15:19] well [15:21] I had a look at them after seeing the video about default apps [15:23] nods [15:24] We need to test pitivi a lot when its put it [15:24] *in [15:27] need to find the time to do lots of stuff and test [15:27] davmor3: well it runs and it makes video using ogg correctly [15:27] but doing harder stuff is what we need [15:28] * fagan just made a bug against checkbox https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/487143 [15:28] Launchpad bug 487143 in checkbox "More specific hardware questions shouldnt be asked" [Undecided,New] [15:30] fagan: Yes demands time though [15:30] yep [15:31] * fagan thinks the main functionality is fine for pitivi [15:32] (except no one can pronounce its name) [15:32] battery dying [15:32] why not ask the guy that made it [15:33] to video himself saying it in a linus linux stylee [15:36] ha [15:37] but im very impressed with it and collabora have put a lot of work into it [15:38] It even converts video too [16:12] Do you use the same test cases for Lucid as Karmic? [16:14] moustafaC: by the way, I just pushed changes to the message branch relating to checkbox.log [16:14] fagan: MySQL upgrade testing: http://www.elabs7.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=ax0v,j91v,33o,chzk,la7g,b3mp,9gne [16:14] fader_: ^^^ [16:14] darn autocomplete... [16:14] astechgeek: At the moment yes; if you notice anything that isn't correct please let us know :) [16:15] hah [16:15] fagan: I hope it'll turn out to be interesting for you too :) [16:15] * fagan looks [16:16] cr3: nope :) [16:16] cr3: Interesting. And probably largely automatable :) [16:18] (1 package down, 9999999 to go ;) ) [16:19] cr3: branch merged :) === terran___ is now known as terran === fader_ is now known as fader|lunch [18:40] hello [18:40] is there a repository with KDE 4.4 ? [18:40] or do I have to compile it myself ? [18:41] gormux: you might have better luck asking in #kubuntu. [18:43] ah, yeah, not a bad idea :) === fader|lunch is now known as fader_ [19:08] I just found ubuntu-qa-tools in synaptic whats in it? [19:14] * fagan investigates [19:18] Ah I didnt see the post on blog.qa.ubuntu.com [19:28] fagan: It's a collection of tools useful for testing Ubuntu. I don't use all of them, but there's a script in there to keep ISOs rsync'd that is quite useful at least [19:28] fader_: I didnt know I just download the isos manually [19:29] ill fiddle about with the qa tools and bug hugger and see if I can triage bugs faster [19:31] * fagan is going to check on a few bugs that havent had activity in a while [19:32] fagan: unfortunately, the ubuntu-qa-tools package is out of date with respect to the bzr branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master [19:32] Im on lucid could someone upload a more up to date version? [19:34] Is Lucid even remotely available? [19:34] moustafaC: im using it so yes its available [19:35] I had to add the sources manually though [19:35] moustafaC: sure; it's just not much of a deviation from karmic at the moment. [19:35] installing the alternate-amd64.iso went well [19:35] is checkbox still using libglade? === nperry_ is now known as nperry [19:36] sbeatty, fagan : I see. To me, a new distro isn't a new distro until there are enough changes to make it so. [19:36] Well I like testing early [19:37] plus the new features for lucid will arrive before alpha 2 [19:46] it would be great if launchpad's api was faster [19:54] to contribute to checkbox do I have to sign the canonical contributor agreement ? [19:56] fagan: My guess is yes, but cr3 might be in a better position to answer this. [19:56] cr3: ^^ [19:56] fagan: any significant amount of code, I would imagine so [19:57] cr3: hmmm ill google it [19:58] fagan: yes, libglade is still being used. since the interface is rather simple, and I would like to keep it that way as much as possible, I would like to consider using straight gtk instead of having to maintain two branches: one for glade and another for gtkbuilder [19:59] Well I wouldnt think it would be a hell of amount of changes ill have a look at the code and see [19:59] fagan: there's already a contribution for gtkbuilder [20:00] Oh cool [20:00] fagan: the problem is that maintaining two branches would actually be a "hell of amount" more overhead than the changes themselves [20:00] How so? [20:01] I still want new versions of checkbox to be installable on all supported versions [20:01] ... of ubuntu [20:01] checkbox isnt listed under the contributor agreement [20:01] so, if everytime I add a new test I need to update two branches, which is no fun [20:03] cr3: well im sure the desktop team would like not to be shipping deprecated librarys so maybe try ship the gtkbuilder for lucid? [20:03] fagan: "I would like to consider using straight gtk instead" [20:03] are you saying that's not possible? [20:04] Ah it would [20:05] fagan: I'm not saying it's necessarily possible though :) I'm mostly curious to explore that possibility before settling on any particular technical solution [20:05] where "possible" should read: reasonable or feasible or sane :) [20:05] well its easier just to use gtkbuilder but just using pygtk would be ok too [20:05] pygtk just takes a little longer [20:06] I think there's potential considering the interface is intended to remain rather straightforward [20:06] for example, I don't foresee needing menus and so forth [20:06] True [20:09] fagan: also, I don't think clutter has something like gtkbuilder nor glade, so perhaps that extrapolating the current code into straight gtk could help create another interface using clutk [20:09] ... for unr [20:10] a qt interface is already being worked on, so this release will probably see custom interfaces for kde and unr [20:10] well we dont need to make a clutter interface [20:10] I dont think any projects have one yet [20:10] fagan: it would be cute for people to have their unr usb image and run checkbox before buying a netbook :) [20:11] IIRC Clutter relies on OpenGL, which would make it a poor choice for a [primary] checkbox UI [20:11] if we're the first, maybe we'll get more attention than the others :) [20:11] fader_: ubuntu would still rely on checkbox-gtk, just unr which already relies on opengl could provide checkbox-clutter [20:11] clutter is very complicated [20:12] for coding I mean [20:12] fagan: neil patel informed me that he has a library that makes programming clutter almost like gtk [20:12] cr3: I think UNR^HE is dropping the reliance on Clutter, as some ARM systems will not have OpenGL support [20:12] I think it's "clutk", mentionned above [20:12] ah that would be interesting [20:13] fader_: I seriously doubt the launcher will be rewritten without clutter [20:13] fagan: that library is basically what got me interested, otherwise I would totally agree with you and I wouldn't bother with clutter myself [20:14] we shouldnt switch to it before gnome 3 though [20:17] cr3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-une-2d-launcher [20:20] ARM should be able to use OpenGL [20:20] fader_: I wouldn't be surprised that clutk is the first step towards creating an abstraction layer where the same launcher code can be used wither with clutter or gtk [20:21] if neil were around, we could ask directly :) [20:21] cr3: Yeah, no idea about the technical implementation; just reporting what I heard at UDS [20:21] fader_: hmmm did we meet at the UDS? [20:21] * fagan is bad with names [20:21] it would be rather unfortunate if this requirement implicated a significant rewrite :( [20:22] fagan: Yeah, me too. Got a launchpad page with a pic or anything? [20:22] Mine no longer looks much like me :) [20:22] cr3: You're volunteering, right? :D [20:23] * fagan has enough on his plade [20:23] *plate [20:23] fader_: dude, I no longer see my picture on launchpad.net/~cr3 [20:23] fader_: yeah, I'm kinda volunterring mostly out of curiosity [20:23] Mine still looks like me [20:24] cr3: Huh, mine seems to have vanished as well [20:24] Oh they removed the big pictures [20:24] fagan: What's your LP ID? [20:24] fagan: yeah, that's weird [20:25] launchpad.net/~shanepatrickfagan [20:25] I wish I could shorten it but I have a ppa [20:25] * fagan needs to go [20:25] fagan: I don't see your pic either [20:25] :( [20:26] later guys and gals [20:26] * fader_ waves. [20:27] I suspect we're just too ugly [20:27] Indeed [20:28] * fader_ is an unperson. [20:28] Doubleplusungood! [20:33] I blame the 1337 [22:08] cr3, fader_ : I bid you good evening [22:08] moustafaC: Adios! === fader_ is now known as fader|away === darizzle is now known as drizzle