[04:52] <astechgeek> I've read through the Testing ISO wiki I tried to subscribe to the current test images but they aren't showing up in My Subscriptions. Am I looking in the wrong place?
[06:08] <kcj1993> what need testing?
[08:35] <kcj1993> hello? is there anyone in here?
[12:00] <davmor3> Hello everybody
[12:02] <czajkowski> davmor3: howdy
[12:02] <davmor3> czajkowski: hello you back in uk timezone mode now?
[12:03] <czajkowski> I'm in my Irish timezone :)
[12:05] <davmor3> you sure you're not in gmt?
[12:12] <czajkowski> Dublin
[12:12] <czajkowski> same thing
[12:13] <davmor3> czajkowski: and greenwich is where again :P
[12:13] <czajkowski> davmor3: I'm in Irish timezone, same as UK., how's that
[12:13] <davmor3> :)
[12:14] <davmor3> that'll do
[12:15] <davmor3> so is your head back in a real timezone anyway
[12:16] <czajkowski> more or less
[12:16] <davmor3> czajkowski: good
[13:52] <davmor3> morning fader_
[13:52] <fader_> davmor3: Howdy.  Looks like you got an upgrade!
[13:52]  * fader_ hopes this version is better than the last. :)
[13:53] <fader_> davmor3: How's life?
[13:55] <davmor3> back is a bit better but still hurting
[13:55] <davmor3> meds are still knocking me about a bit
[13:55] <fader_> :/
[13:56] <fader_> You've gotta get fixed up so I can start abusing you again!
[13:57] <davmor3> you can abuse me but I'll just ignore you :P
[14:04] <cr3> davmor3: that defeats the purpose of abusing you though
[14:05] <cr3> ... or abusing anyone for that matter
[14:05] <davmor3> cr3: yeah but it makes fader_ feel useful :)
[14:05] <fader_> I need *something* to feel useful about!
[14:06] <czajkowski> davmor3: you run gwibber?
[14:07] <davmor3> czajkowski: yeap
[14:08] <czajkowski> davmor3: can you see if you have any similar issues Launchpad bug 487064
[14:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487064 in gwibber "Message pane repaints frequently and resets the scroll status, losing reading position" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487064
[14:09] <davmor3> yes I noticed that but only if your in the top third of the list try scrolling about 2/3's of the way down and it stays there I think
[14:11] <czajkowski> davmor3: hmm , add that to ticket?
[14:11] <davmor3> try it out first makes sure it does
[14:14] <moustafa1> good morning, cr3, fader_, davmor3
[14:14] <davmor3> morning moustafa1
[14:15] <fader_> Hey dude
[14:16] <davmor3> fader_: what?
[14:16] <fader_> davmor3: Wrong dude :P
[14:17] <davmor3> fader_: you two timer you said I was the only dude in your life :'(
[14:17] <moustafaC> dudes, chillax
[14:18] <moustafaC> we're all each other's only dudes in each other's lives
[14:19] <davmor3> moustafaC: we're just playing :)
[14:19] <moustafaC> we're free and open dudes
[14:20] <moustafaC> davmor3, I'm just adding
[15:09] <fagan> thanks marjo for accepting me into the qa team group :)
[15:11] <davmor3> so guys how did uds go did you get some ideas?
[15:11]  * czajkowski has a long to do list
[15:11] <fagan> davmor3: yep loads of them
[15:12] <davmor3> cool
[15:13] <fagan> davmor3: I loved the bug day ideas
[15:13] <davmor3> don't we already have that?
[15:13] <fagan> But to make them better
[15:13] <marjo> fagan: welcome!
[15:13] <fagan> and to advertise them more
[15:13] <fagan> :D
[15:14] <davmor3> :D
[15:15] <czajkowski> get moer community involvement
[15:16] <fagan> czajkowski: thats the idea
[15:17] <fagan> having small bug days once a week and big bug days once a month
[15:17] <fagan> So we can get to packages we may not have got to before
[15:18] <davmor3> cool
[15:19] <czajkowski> davmor3: great email re fspot
[15:19] <davmor3> well
[15:21] <davmor3> I had a look at them after seeing the video about default apps
[15:23] <czajkowski> nods
[15:24] <fagan> We need to test pitivi a lot when its put it
[15:24] <fagan> *in
[15:27] <davmor3> need to find the time to do lots of stuff and test
[15:27] <fagan> davmor3: well it runs and it makes video using ogg correctly
[15:27] <fagan> but doing harder stuff is what we need
[15:28]  * fagan just made a bug against checkbox https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/487143
[15:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 487143 in checkbox "More specific hardware questions shouldnt be asked" [Undecided,New]
[15:30] <davmor3> fagan: Yes demands time though
[15:30] <fagan> yep
[15:31]  * fagan thinks the main functionality is fine for pitivi 
[15:32] <fagan> (except no one can pronounce its name)
[15:32] <davmor3> battery dying
[15:32] <davmor3> why not ask the guy that made it
[15:33] <davmor3> to video himself saying it in a linus linux stylee
[15:36] <fagan> ha
[15:37] <fagan> but im very impressed with it and collabora have put a lot of work into it
[15:38] <fagan> It even converts video too
[16:12] <astechgeek> Do you use the same test cases for Lucid as Karmic?
[16:14] <cr3> moustafaC: by the way, I just pushed changes to the message branch relating to checkbox.log
[16:14] <cr3> fagan: MySQL upgrade testing: http://www.elabs7.com/ct.html?rtr=on&s=ax0v,j91v,33o,chzk,la7g,b3mp,9gne
[16:14] <cr3> fader_: ^^^
[16:14] <cr3> darn autocomplete...
[16:14] <fader_> astechgeek: At the moment yes; if you notice anything that isn't correct please let us know :)
[16:15] <fagan> hah
[16:15] <cr3> fagan: I hope it'll turn out to be interesting for you too :)
[16:15]  * fagan looks
[16:16] <fagan> cr3: nope :)
[16:16] <fader_> cr3: Interesting.  And probably largely automatable :)
[16:18] <fader_> (1 package down, 9999999 to go ;) )
[16:19] <moustafaC> cr3: branch merged :)
[18:40] <gormux> hello
[18:40] <gormux> is there a repository with KDE 4.4 ?
[18:40] <gormux> or do I have to compile it myself ?
[18:41] <sbeattie> gormux: you might have better luck asking in #kubuntu.
[18:43] <gormux> ah, yeah, not a bad idea :)
[19:08] <fagan> I just found ubuntu-qa-tools in synaptic whats in it?
[19:14]  * fagan investigates
[19:18] <fagan> Ah I didnt see the post on blog.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:28] <fader_> fagan: It's a collection of tools useful for testing Ubuntu.  I don't use all of them, but there's a script in there to keep ISOs rsync'd that is quite useful at least
[19:28] <fagan> fader_: I didnt know I just download the isos manually
[19:29] <fagan> ill fiddle about with the qa tools and bug hugger and see if I can triage bugs faster
[19:31]  * fagan is going to check on a few bugs that havent had activity in a while
[19:32] <sbeattie> fagan: unfortunately, the ubuntu-qa-tools package is out of date with respect to the bzr branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master
[19:32] <fagan> Im on lucid could someone upload a more up to date version?
[19:34] <moustafaC> Is Lucid even remotely available?
[19:34] <fagan> moustafaC: im using it so yes its available
[19:35] <fagan> I had to add the sources manually though
[19:35] <sbeattie> moustafaC: sure; it's just not much of a deviation from karmic at the moment.
[19:35] <astechgeek> installing the alternate-amd64.iso went well
[19:35] <fagan> is checkbox still using libglade?
[19:36] <moustafaC> sbeatty, fagan : I see.  To me, a new distro isn't a new distro until there are enough changes to make it so.
[19:36] <fagan> Well I like testing early
[19:37] <fagan> plus the new features for lucid will arrive before alpha 2
[19:46] <fagan> it would be great if launchpad's api was faster
[19:54] <fagan> to contribute to checkbox do I have to sign the canonical contributor agreement ?
[19:56] <fader_> fagan: My guess is yes, but cr3 might be in a better position to answer this.
[19:56] <fader_> cr3: ^^
[19:56] <cr3> fagan: any significant amount of code, I would imagine so
[19:57] <fagan> cr3: hmmm ill google it
[19:58] <cr3> fagan: yes, libglade is still being used. since the interface is rather simple, and I would like to keep it that way as much as possible, I would like to consider using straight gtk instead of having to maintain two branches: one for glade and another for gtkbuilder
[19:59] <fagan> Well I wouldnt think it would be a hell of amount of changes ill have a look at the code and see
[19:59] <cr3> fagan: there's already a contribution for gtkbuilder
[20:00] <fagan> Oh cool
[20:00] <cr3> fagan: the problem is that maintaining two branches would actually be a "hell of amount" more overhead than the changes themselves
[20:00] <fagan> How so?
[20:01] <cr3> I still want new versions of checkbox to be installable on all supported versions
[20:01] <cr3> ... of ubuntu
[20:01] <fagan> checkbox isnt listed under the contributor agreement
[20:01] <cr3> so, if everytime I add a new test I need to update two branches, which is no fun
[20:03] <fagan> cr3: well im sure the desktop team would like not to be shipping deprecated librarys so maybe try ship the gtkbuilder for lucid?
[20:03] <cr3> fagan: "I would like to consider using straight gtk instead"
[20:03] <cr3> are you saying that's not possible?
[20:04] <fagan> Ah it would
[20:05] <cr3> fagan: I'm not saying it's necessarily possible though :) I'm mostly curious to explore that possibility before settling on any particular technical solution
[20:05] <cr3> where "possible" should read: reasonable or feasible or sane :)
[20:05] <fagan> well its easier just to use gtkbuilder but just using pygtk would be ok too
[20:05] <fagan> pygtk just takes a little longer
[20:06] <cr3> I think there's potential considering the interface is intended to remain rather straightforward
[20:06] <cr3> for example, I don't foresee needing menus and so forth
[20:06] <fagan> True
[20:09] <cr3> fagan: also, I don't think clutter has something like gtkbuilder nor glade, so perhaps that extrapolating the current code into straight gtk could help create another interface using clutk
[20:09] <cr3> ... for unr
[20:10] <cr3> a qt interface is already being worked on, so this release will probably see custom interfaces for kde and unr
[20:10] <fagan> well we dont need to make a clutter interface
[20:10] <fagan> I dont think any projects have one yet
[20:10] <cr3> fagan: it would be cute for people to have their unr usb image and run checkbox before buying a netbook :)
[20:11] <fader_> IIRC Clutter relies on OpenGL, which would make it a poor choice for a [primary] checkbox UI
[20:11] <cr3> if we're the first, maybe we'll get more attention than the others :)
[20:11] <cr3> fader_: ubuntu would still rely on checkbox-gtk, just unr which already relies on opengl could provide checkbox-clutter
[20:11] <fagan> clutter is very complicated
[20:12] <fagan> for coding I mean
[20:12] <cr3> fagan: neil patel informed me that he has a library that makes programming clutter almost like gtk
[20:12] <fader_> cr3: I think UNR^HE is dropping the reliance on Clutter, as some ARM systems will not have OpenGL support
[20:12] <cr3> I think it's "clutk", mentionned above
[20:12] <fagan> ah that would be interesting
[20:13] <cr3> fader_: I seriously doubt the launcher will be rewritten without clutter
[20:13] <cr3> fagan: that library is basically what got me interested, otherwise I would totally agree with you and I wouldn't bother with clutter myself
[20:14] <fagan> we shouldnt switch to it before gnome 3 though
[20:17] <fader_> cr3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-une-2d-launcher
[20:20] <fagan> ARM should be able to use OpenGL
[20:20] <cr3> fader_: I wouldn't be surprised that clutk is the first step towards creating an abstraction layer where the same launcher code can be used wither with clutter or gtk
[20:21] <cr3> if neil were around, we could ask directly :)
[20:21] <fader_> cr3: Yeah, no idea about the technical implementation; just reporting what I heard at UDS
[20:21] <fagan> fader_: hmmm did we meet at the UDS?
[20:21]  * fagan is bad with names
[20:21] <cr3> it would be rather unfortunate if this requirement implicated a significant rewrite :(
[20:22] <fader_> fagan: Yeah, me too.  Got a launchpad page with a pic or anything?
[20:22] <fader_> Mine no longer looks much like me :)
[20:22] <fader_> cr3: You're volunteering, right? :D
[20:23]  * fagan has enough on his plade
[20:23] <fagan> *plate
[20:23] <cr3> fader_: dude, I no longer see my picture on launchpad.net/~cr3
[20:23] <cr3> fader_: yeah, I'm kinda volunterring mostly out of curiosity
[20:23] <fagan> Mine still looks like me
[20:24] <fader_> cr3: Huh, mine seems to have vanished as well
[20:24] <fagan> Oh they removed the big pictures
[20:24] <fader_> fagan: What's your LP ID?
[20:24] <cr3> fagan: yeah, that's weird
[20:25] <fagan> launchpad.net/~shanepatrickfagan
[20:25] <fagan> I wish I could shorten it but I have a ppa
[20:25]  * fagan needs to go 
[20:25] <fader_> fagan: I don't see your pic either
[20:25] <fader_> :(
[20:26] <fagan> later guys and gals
[20:26]  * fader_ waves.
[20:27] <cr3> I suspect we're just too ugly
[20:27] <fader_> Indeed
[20:28]  * fader_ is an unperson.
[20:28] <fader_> Doubleplusungood!
[20:33] <moustafaC> I blame the 1337
[22:08] <moustafaC> cr3, fader_ : I bid you good evening
[22:08] <fader_> moustafaC: Adios!