[00:37] <linxeh> hi there - is there a keyboard shortcut to open the applications menu ?
[02:42] <keppi> linxeh:  [ctrl]+[esc] ?
[06:58] <Sahkolihaa> Would anyone know why, when starting the system monitor, it and dbus-daemon start using high CPU usage?
[06:59] <Sysi> it's heavy program
[06:59] <Sysi> idk about dbus-daemon
[07:00] <Sahkolihaa> They shouldn't eat an entire core on an AMD X2 4800+ though.
[07:30] <Sahkolihaa> I've filed it as a bug, so let's see what happens from there.
[07:31] <jar> Why isn't Xubuntu using xfce4's system monitor anyways? It's simpler but gets the job done.
[07:32] <Sahkolihaa> I was actually wondering why it was using gnome's and if it had it's own.
[07:32] <Sahkolihaa> Can xfce4's be installed?
[07:32] <jar> Yes, it's in apt.
[07:32] <jar> I think.
[07:32] <jar> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-taskmanager
[07:32] <Sahkolihaa> Ah, it is.
[07:32] <Sahkolihaa> Yeah, just found it.
[07:32]  * Sahkolihaa installs.
[07:33] <Sahkolihaa> Heh, that works fine. No high CPU usage.
[07:33] <Sahkolihaa> So gnome-system-monitor is the problem.
[07:33] <jar> Sahkolihaa, It's always been an issue.
[07:33] <jar> It's a very poorly coded app.
[07:34] <jar> I'm pretty disappointed Xubuntu ships with it, honestly.
[07:34] <Sahkolihaa> Yeah, Xfce's seems much nicer.
[07:35] <jar> I need to subscribe to the mailing list so I can voice my opinion on things..
[07:37] <jar> Sahkolihaa, sudo apt-get purge gnome-system-monitor
[07:37] <jar> and everything runs faster.
[07:37] <jar> :)
[07:37] <Sahkolihaa> Heh.
[07:37] <jar> sorry
[07:37] <jar> bad pun
[07:39] <Sahkolihaa> Really does make no sense to include the gnome system monitor when Xfce's is light weight - the whole idea behind Xubuntu...
[07:40]  * jar nod
[07:41] <Sahkolihaa> The gnome part is also being retarded.
[07:41] <Sahkolihaa> Since it doesn't seem to read Xfce's default browser setting, so it starts Firefox and not Chromium.
[07:41] <jar> Yeah.. one thing I don't like is that XFce4 Taskmanager puts its menu entry in two categories.
[07:42] <Sahkolihaa> I just fixed that by editing xfce4-taskmanager.desktop. :P
[07:42] <jar> in /usr/share/applications ?
[07:42] <Sahkolihaa> Yup.
[07:42] <jar> Great minds.
[07:42] <jar> :)
[07:42] <Sahkolihaa> Also re-named it to 'Taskmanager' to follow everything else.
[07:42] <Sahkolihaa> Heh.
[07:42] <jar> :)
[07:43] <jar> I was going to do that too.
[07:43] <jar> Sahkolihaa, Perhaps if we start enough of a fuss we could get that done by Lucid Lynx
[07:45] <jar> Sahkolihaa, Are you missing the category icons in Add/Remove too?
[07:45] <jar> I HATE when apps double dip on the menu.
[07:49] <Sahkolihaa> Yeah, I'm missing all the icons there too.
[07:50] <jar> That's 3 out of 3.
[07:50] <jar> :\
[07:53] <Sahkolihaa> Bleh, Thunderbird thinks Firefox is the default browser.
[07:54] <jar> =[
[07:54] <jar> I use Evolution
[08:14] <Balsaq> yello syrius
[08:15] <syrius> hi
[08:15] <syrius> do I know you?
[08:22] <Balsaq> maybe not, thought we spoke a few days ago
[08:22] <Balsaq> may have been Sysi...
[08:23] <Balsaq> oh well, i am Balsaq, from eastern USA!
[08:27] <Balsaq> it is amazing the difference in this channel as compared to ubuntu. i have both and too me xubuntu is far superior. yet it seems waaayyy more people choose ubuntu.
[08:29] <Sysi> people have different opinions
[08:29] <Sysi> i may need to fix highlights some day
[08:37] <Balsaq> sysi are you from finland?
[08:38] <Sysi> yes
[08:38] <Balsaq> it was you then!
[08:38] <Sysi> ohai! :D
[08:38] <Balsaq> what highlight can you fix
[08:39] <Sysi> i haven't set anything
[08:39] <Sysi> when i set, i ned to start using screen_away
[08:39] <Sysi> ans then it's same to get new theme
[08:40] <Sysi> andandandand...
[08:40] <Sysi> exellent theory :)
[08:40] <_Pete_> Balsaq: for some reason I like to stay here still I dont anymore use xubuntu
[08:41] <_Pete_> it was kind of temporary solution when got pissed of from kde4
[08:41] <_Pete_> but 9.10 +kde3 works fine
[08:42] <Sysi> i need to ude kdm for xdmcp, that means kde would be better :G
[08:42] <_Pete_> kde4 totally suxx
[08:42] <_Pete_> imo
[08:43] <Sysi> not a lot more that old
[08:43] <_Pete_> luckily kde3 is still developed and for me it's superior
[08:44] <Sysi> i have to use it at school
[08:46] <Balsaq> at work today i noticed they were running solaris in one of the labs...looked very nice-professional
[09:04] <_Pete_> Balsaq: was that using traditional sun X ?
[09:14] <Balsaq> didn't see sun X on the desktop...will look closer today when i go back in there...
[09:33] <knome> Sysi, i don't use screen_away but my own script which autounaways me after n minutes
[09:34] <knome> Sysi, i mean, autoaways me.
[09:34] <knome> Sysi, also autoUNaways me after n messages to a network
[11:32] <MaxFrames> hello
[11:32] <knome> !hi | MaxFrames
[11:32] <MaxFrames> I booted today and kaboom... the weather update plugin is not working anymore :(
[11:33] <knome> which way not working?
[11:33] <MaxFrames> question mark on the panel icon and "unable to update meteo data" message, it seems that the location is not set ("-")
[11:34] <knome> MaxFrames, have you tried to remove and readd the applet?
[11:34] <MaxFrames> not yet
[11:35] <MaxFrames> today it worked. then I installed some updates (nvidia drivers) via update manager. I rebooted because the system was acting strange after the update (mouse and keyboard acting up). after the reboot, mouse and keyboard OK but weather applet gone.
[11:43] <vashitn> any body here :)
[11:43] <knome> probably
[11:43] <knome> :d
[11:44] <vashitn> does xubuntu boots faster than ubuntu?
[11:44] <knome> should be no difference before starting the DE, but yes, Xfce should boot faster than GNOME
[11:46] <vashitn> hmm yeah but when itboots luches the DE too
[11:46] <MaxFrames> removed and readded the weather panel => no change
[11:46] <vashitn> so if xfce is smaller less things to boot
[11:46] <knome> MaxFrames, have you checked whether the service where the applet downloads the data, works?
[11:46] <vashitn> MaxFrames what is your problem with the weather
[11:47] <knome> vashitn, if you are looking the thing b&w, yes that's correct
[11:47] <MaxFrames> my problem with the weather is that it's lousy. my problem with the weather update applet is that it doesn't work anymore :D
[11:48] <MaxFrames> knome: how can I check if the service works?
[11:48] <vashitn> MaxFrames this may be a stupid question :D but did you set it :D
[11:48] <knome> MaxFrames, try to load their website?
[11:48] <MaxFrames> vashitn: it's not necessary. It finds your location automatically based on your IP address.
[11:48] <MaxFrames> knome: I don't know the URL
[11:49] <vashitn> its based on yahooweather??
[11:49] <knome> MaxFrames, maybe you should wait a bit. it might be the service that is not actually working. i don't know what service it uses and i'm not home right now so i can't check
[11:49] <MaxFrames> perhaps if another user would add the applet, we could rule out that
[11:50] <knome> possibly, but that's not 100% sure way
[11:50] <MaxFrames> what's 100% sure is that it was working, I rebooted, it's not working
[11:50] <MaxFrames> between state a) and state b) is a mere 2 minutes
[11:50] <MaxFrames> oh, found the url: xoap.weather.com
[11:51] <knome> i'm sorry to hear that but i don't know what might have caused that.
[11:51] <vashitn> try preferences on the appl and manualy add your town :)
[11:51] <MaxFrames> the website is up
[11:51] <knome> MaxFrames, then something is probably broken in your applet or its data.
[11:51] <vashitn> knome can you put widgets on xfce?
[11:51] <knome> MaxFrames, can you reset the city you d/l data for?
[11:52] <MaxFrames> I can retrieve my town data from the website. the problem is the applet. dunno what screwed it
[11:52] <knome> vashitn, what do you mean by "widgets"
[11:52] <vashitn> like on kde weather widget :)
[11:52] <knome> MaxFrames, look for the .* (probably .config) folders in your home, and seek for something related to the applet. removing that should probably make it work again
[11:53] <knome> vashitn, no, you can't load kde widgets.
[11:53] <knome> vashitn, well, at least without running loads of kde stuff, which would mean you probably should rather boot to kde
[11:53] <vashitn> MaxFrames try other weather appl i am sure there are more
[11:53] <vashitn> seek at add/remove
[11:54] <vashitn> or what ever its called these days :)
[11:54] <MaxFrames> I'm rueing the day I upgraded to karmic
[11:54] <knome> vashitn, i'd rather know what's wrong with that applet, since it's probably the applet most users are using
[11:54] <MaxFrames> before, all was perfect. now... I've already lost the screensavers and the weather applet, and the logon process is slower
[11:55] <vashitn> yeah knome you are right but maybe its something that he did or some update
[11:55] <MaxFrames> and who knows what else will stop working for no apparent reason tomorrow
[11:55] <knome> MaxFrames, karmic brought a lot of changes and we hope we can make all of that better in lucid.
[11:55] <knome> MaxFrames, probably not a lot stuff, haven't heard anybody's weather applet breaking or anything like that
[11:55] <MaxFrames> I didn't do anything at all. I just installed the updates that the update manager was suggesting (nvidia packages) and that's all
[11:55] <knome> MaxFrames, it's probably just you.
[11:56] <MaxFrames> me how? all I did tomorrow with xubuntu was installing those nvidia updates. and reboot. I didn't even use the computer apart from that
[11:56] <vashitn> MaxFrames try the cleaning program i think there is one
[11:56] <knome> MaxFrames, me as in your computer, your set of installed applications, your configuration
[11:57] <vashitn> PC personal computer
[11:57] <vashitn> :D
[11:57] <knome> i have to go now
[11:57] <knome> i hope someone will be able to help you, MaxFrames
[11:57] <knome> have a nice day
[11:57] <vashitn> cheers
[12:02] <MaxFrames> bye
[12:05] <MaxFrames> mm, it's the IP address-to-location bit that's not working anymore
[12:05] <MaxFrames> the applet is working now by manually specifying my current location
[12:05] <MaxFrames> (not so good on a laptop though)
[12:05] <MaxFrames> "the screensaver bug still stands" :D though some kind soul finally flagged it as "security issue"
[12:09] <Balsaq> i'd just install 9.04 if i were you
[12:09] <Balsaq> too me it was perfect
[12:09] <MaxFrames> is it possible to downgrade?
[12:09] <Balsaq> well if not...delete
[12:09] <Balsaq> and reinstall 904
[12:11] <MaxFrames> no, I'll live with the new logon screen which obliges me to click on "logon" and wait before I can type the credentials, and hope for a fix for the screensaver
[12:11] <Balsaq> ok
[12:11] <MaxFrames> I simply don't have the nerve to go through backup, format, reinstall, restore
[12:12] <Duskao> hey guys, I just installed xubuntu 9.10 and my second HD (internal) isn't showing up.
[12:13] <Duskao> ...
[12:13] <MaxFrames> ata? sata?
[12:13] <Duskao> sata
[12:14] <MaxFrames> both?
[12:14] <Duskao> yep
[12:14] <MaxFrames> dumb question: checked the connections?
[12:14] <Duskao> it's all good. They work fine. Was fine with Ubuntu, moonos, mint... list goes on.
[12:15] <MaxFrames> and if you boot a live 9.04 it shows up, right?
[12:15] <Duskao> negatory
[12:15] <Duskao> running 9.10 actually, but it's the same with 9.04
[12:15] <Duskao> had the same issue when i installed 9.04 ages ago.
[12:16] <Duskao> Xubuntu I mean.
[12:16] <MaxFrames> it was fine with ubuntu.. which version of ubuntu?
[12:16] <Duskao> 8.10,9.04,9.10
[12:16] <MaxFrames> so it's xfce related?
[12:16] <Duskao> seems to be, but with mint 7 XFCE there is no issue lol
[12:16] <Duskao> mental eh?
[12:17] <Duskao> but I prefer the real *buntu's
[12:17] <MaxFrames> I'm afraid I dunno what to suggest... have you browsed launchpad yet to see if it's documented?
[12:18] <Duskao> nope, but I'll deal with this tomorrow. I gotta get some sleep. Haven't slept yet tonight. Take it easy.
[12:18] <Duskao> worst case scenario, I go back to Ubuntu :D
[12:18] <Duskao> Later.
[12:18] <MaxFrames> I hear you. I haven't slept much myself
[13:25] <cedron> i lost the task pane...
[13:25] <cedron> what happened?
[13:28] <Sahkolihaa> And now that I'm back from college, gnome-system-monitor has now been removed.
[13:28] <Sahkolihaa> Figured out it was my portable Samsung music player causing it to eat an entire core. Pretty stupid. :/
[14:05] <uberspaced> is xubuntu supposed to be the light weight ubuntu?
[14:05] <uberspaced> let's just say I have an old laptop with 128 mb of ram
[14:05] <uberspaced> and I don't need a fancy shmancy gdm or gnome
[14:05] <uberspaced> I just want to read stuff on it
[14:06] <uberspaced> what I usually do is install ubuntu and then something like fvwm
[14:06] <Sysi> lubuntu or crunchbang is better
[14:06] <uberspaced> lubuntu?
[14:06] <uberspaced> okie dokie.
[14:06] <Sysi> with lxde
[14:06] <Sysi> pretty and lightweight
[14:06] <Sysi> xubuntu is quite bloated these days :\
[14:06] <uberspaced> ha.
[14:07] <uberspaced> ok, so, if I'm doing a net install of 9.10, will lubuntu show up there?
[14:07] <uberspaced> OR
[14:07] <uberspaced> should I install a basic server
[14:07] <uberspaced> and then apt-get install lubuntu (?) ?
[14:07] <Sysi> hmm, can't remember if it was official yet
[14:09] <uberspaced> well, you gave me some things to look at.
[14:09] <Sysi> !lxde
[14:09] <uberspaced> maybe if I install lxde, ubuntu server and fvwm I'll be OK.
[14:09] <TheSheep> !info lxde
[14:10] <ablomen> uberspaced, one note, ubuntu server installs a different kernel..
[14:10] <uberspaced> one that probably doesn't favor real time processes like X as much, eh?
[14:10] <uberspaced> I'm probably not going to get _that_ intense with X
[14:10] <uberspaced> just like a PDF or something.
[14:10] <ablomen> uberspaced, well if you dont have a lot of memory...
[14:10] <uberspaced> which I don't have
[14:11] <ablomen> i think you might want to get a more optimised kernel
[14:11] <uberspaced> aside from one that I'd have to compile myself, which one would you recommend?
[14:12] <ablomen> ehm not sure, maybe the generic is already better for laptop usage?
[14:12] <uberspaced> prolly.
[14:12] <ablomen> im just saying because i know i'v had problems with it some time ago
[14:12] <uberspaced> I'll just stick with server and see if X works.
[14:12] <ablomen> took me a while to figure out it was the server kernel
[14:12] <uberspaced> I don't need fast X.  just working X.
[14:13] <ablomen> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/features/kernel << heres an overview btw
[14:15] <Sahkolihaa> lxde reminds me too much of KDE and Windows.
[14:15] <Sysi> :D
[14:16] <Sahkolihaa> I already switched out the gnome-system-monitor for Xfce's taskmanager.
[14:18] <uberspaced> sweet.  preemption is turned off in server edition.
[14:18] <uberspaced> don't really need a massive ass ipv6 routing table though.
[16:02] <MrNaz> is there a version of a matrix screensaver that doesn't have gl effects? i'm just after a matrix effect that's as true to the movie as possible
[16:04] <TheSheep> cmatrix?
[16:06] <MrNaz> aptitude reports that as installed, but it doesn't show up in my screensaver list...
[16:07] <MrNaz> ugh
[16:07] <MrNaz> that's a terminal app... also, it's totally unlike the movie
[16:08] <MrNaz> there's a great windows version of the matrix screen saver, i havent seen a good one for linux yet
[22:23] <eviliguna> hi
[22:24] <jars> hey there
[22:24] <eviliguna> I am new to xubuntu, been using pclos for a whle
[22:24] <jars> :)
[22:24] <eviliguna> I just finished installing and doing all the updates
[22:24] <eviliguna> but can't seam to get gstreamer working
[22:24] <jars> cool
[22:24] <jars> what about it doesn't work?
[22:24] <eviliguna> the error is
[22:25] <eviliguna> "GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices...."
[22:25] <eviliguna> when i try the command
[22:25] <eviliguna> "alsaconf"  I get "command not found"
[22:25] <jars> try alsamixer first
[22:25] <eviliguna> and alsamixer tells me "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
[22:25] <jars> That's not a gstreamer issue then.
[22:26] <jars> Your sound card isn't being recognized.
[22:26] <eviliguna> ok, so what do I do?
[22:26] <jars> go into hardware drivers and see if it picks up on your sound card
[22:27] <eviliguna> it says "No proprietary drivers are in in use on this system"
[22:28] <jars> do you happen to know what module pclos was using?
[22:28] <eviliguna> no sorry, pclos was a different comp
[22:30] <jars> Oh..
[22:30] <jars> Hm.
[22:30] <jars> let's try a different approach then
[22:30] <jars> Can you open a terminal?
[22:31] <eviliguna> there
[22:31] <jars> lspci | grep Audio
[22:32] <jars> do that in the terminal
[22:32] <eviliguna> nothing comes out
[22:32] <eviliguna> the command executes correctly though
[22:33] <jars> yeah... that's not a good thing
[22:33] <jars> :/
[22:33] <jars> if your audio device was being detected it would've spit out something like..
[22:33] <jars> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[22:33] <eviliguna> crap
[22:33] <eviliguna> is there anything else that one might do?
[22:33] <jars> What kind of computer are you on?
[22:33] <jars> Because it appears it's not linux supported.
[22:33] <eviliguna> the one that has it installed
[22:33] <eviliguna> is an old ibm 550 mhz
[22:34] <eviliguna> it says "personal computer 500 PL
[22:34] <eviliguna> "
[22:34] <eviliguna> on the fornt
[22:34] <eviliguna> sorry
[22:34] <eviliguna> 300 PL
[22:34] <jars> hmm
[22:35] <jars> I think that might be old enough for it to not be PCI
[22:35] <jars> :x
[22:35] <eviliguna> i think the sound card
[22:36] <eviliguna> is built into the motherboard
[22:36] <eviliguna> on this one
[22:36] <jars> I'm not sure if that will be supported by xubuntu's default kernel..
[22:36] <eviliguna> sigh
[22:36] <eviliguna> alrigh
[22:36] <eviliguna> t
[22:36] <eviliguna> maybe i'll try some other distros to see if another one will pick it up
[22:37] <eviliguna> unless there is any other suggestion?
[22:37] <jars> well
[22:37] <jars> you could use windows to find out what the chipset is and then see if the linux kernel supports it at all
[22:37] <jars> and if it does, and the xubuntu/ubuntu kernel does not support it
[22:37] <jars> you can compile your own kernel
[22:38] <eviliguna> lol, I think that is a little outside
[22:38] <eviliguna> my level of expertise
[22:38] <jars> Well, it is for most folk.
[22:38] <jars> Just giving you options.
[22:38] <jars> :)
[22:38] <eviliguna> thank you :-)
[22:38] <jars> np
[22:38] <eviliguna> but I need this more to work for my stats programs than recompiling my kernel!
[22:38] <jars> I'm actually surprised by this.
[22:38] <eviliguna> thank you for all your help though
[22:38] <jars> Np at all
[22:39] <eviliguna> i think i can tell you what the sound is
[22:39] <eviliguna> one sex
[22:39] <eviliguna> *sec
[22:39] <jars> kk
[22:39] <eviliguna> Crystal WDM Audio
[22:39] <jars> sorry if im a little slow, btw - im on a netbook in class.
[22:39] <jars> :P
[22:40] <eviliguna> hah, no prob
[22:42] <jars> try this
[22:42] <jars> sudo modprobe snd-cs4236
[22:42] <jars> (in terminal(
[22:42] <jars> )
[22:44] <eviliguna> heh, i just tried adding that to my modules file
[22:44] <eviliguna> lets see what happens
[22:44] <eviliguna> rebooting
[22:44] <eviliguna> another weird thing
[22:44] <jars> you dont need to reboot to modprobe
[22:45] <eviliguna> during reboot it tells me "Cannont Display this Video Mode"
[22:45] <eviliguna> and then works after a bit
[22:45] <jars> weird..
[22:45] <eviliguna> yeah, didn't know about modprobe
[22:45] <eviliguna> so I tried
[22:45] <eviliguna> advice here
[22:45] <eviliguna> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23369&page=3
[22:46] <eviliguna> hey
[22:46] <eviliguna> that did something
[22:46] <eviliguna> I get a mixer now!
[22:46] <eviliguna> it says "No Controls are marked as visible"
[22:47] <jars> you can add those
[22:47] <eviliguna> ok now i marked master as visible
[22:47] <eviliguna> how can i actually test the sound
[22:47] <jars> got an audio file handy?
[22:47] <eviliguna> got youtube
[22:47] <eviliguna> one sec
[22:47] <jars> flash would probably be dog slow
[22:48] <eviliguna> don't have any files on this computer yet
[22:48] <eviliguna> new format
[22:48] <jars> yeah
[22:48] <eviliguna> btw
[22:48] <eviliguna> what does this do
[22:48] <eviliguna> modprobe snd-cs4236
[22:49] <jars> it loads the snd-cs4236 driver
[22:50] <eviliguna> ah cool
[22:50] <eviliguna> alright, i gotta run but if I can't figure it from here
[22:50] <eviliguna> i'll log back in later
[22:50] <jars> :) okie
[22:50] <eviliguna> thank you so much for your help!
[22:50] <eviliguna> glad I don't have to compile my kernel
[22:50] <eviliguna> dodged a bullet there
[22:50] <eviliguna> !
[22:50] <jars> hehe
[22:50] <jars> np
[22:51] <jars> hope that works out for him >_>