[00:00] <jacquesdupontd> it must be a link of theme files
[00:00] <jacquesdupontd> like we do to apply theme to root applications in gnome
[00:00] <maco> right
[00:01] <jacquesdupontd> gonna find this tell it to you and then install that arora
[00:03] <tzanger> dtchen: hmm I bet it does, thanks ofr the lead
[00:04] <jacquesdupontd> can you imagine i reinstalled all my configured kubuntu cause google was not loading saying protocole not supported, after reinstalling i saw it was doing exactly the same thing, you know what ? it was in fact just because konqueror wanted an adress http://www.google.fr instead of www.google.fr i was amazed to see a so shitty problem not resolved that made me reinstall everything
[00:04] <jacquesdupontd> i guess i'm not alone
[00:04] <jacquesdupontd> i'm testing arora right now, seems to be really great
[00:07] <jacquesdupontd> at least facebook is working haha :))
[00:08] <jacquesdupontd> on konqueror facebook is loading m.facebook.com like an mobile phone version that was needed a century before
[00:08] <maco> jacquesdupontd: slashdot.org is the reason Riddell wanted to kill off konq and put in arora
[00:09] <jacquesdupontd> except that i have a problem, if i shutdown my computer and load kubuntu it will hang during the loading, if i force the shutdown then and restart it it works perfectly, i would like to see what is blocking and resolve that but i need to know where to find logs or if you have a prog in kubuntu to see logs
[00:09] <jacquesdupontd> maco, haha ok
[00:09] <maco> there are no boot logs, unfortunately :-/
[00:09] <tzanger> hmm nope
[00:09] <maco> so youre saying it doesnt boot right on a warm reboot but is fine on a cold boot?
[00:10] <tzanger> kpackagekit was updated in 9.10, I must haved missed something
[00:10] <jacquesdupontd> btw plasmoides really rox it'does amazingly good except some that does not work so good, the fact also that we can directly download new themes and class them by download or notes is impressive and makes us able to have a really beautiful os in a really short time and very easily
[00:11] <maco> plasmoids are often javascript or python, so fixing many of them shouldnt be too bad
[00:12] <jacquesdupontd> well in fact i was counter kde before but now i'm about to tell people to install it if they have quite good computers, my computre is a laptop with an intel i7 720q + 4 gigs of ddr3 1067 mhz and a geforce gt240 with 1gig of memory and 1 terra byte of hdd, i'm thinking about buying an 64 gb card sdd to install all os's on it then the computer willl be PERFECT
[00:13] <jacquesdupontd> nopr
[00:13] <jacquesdupontd> nope
[00:13] <jacquesdupontd> it does not boot on a simple and normal reboot but after a hard shutdown during the freeze and a reboot it boots normaly
[00:13] <jacquesdupontd> weird no ?
[00:14] <maco> definitely
[00:14] <jacquesdupontd> (no logs of booting ? omg :) and also when i try an alt +f1 to see what's happening in the console i just manage to get the kubuntu loading logo bigger and downer hehehe)
[00:14] <maco> can you turn off "quiet splash" in grub so you can see how it fails at boot?
[00:15] <maco> ah yeah get rid of quiet splash and itll show the text
[00:15] <jacquesdupontd> you can't imagine how good is this computer i'm totally amazed on a laptop, it's nearly insane to have a 5400 t/min hdd on it when you see all the conf beside
[00:16] <jacquesdupontd> question : if i put a 64 gb sd card in the card reader, it will work exactly like a sdd hdd right ? i mean as fast ?
[00:16] <jacquesdupontd> maco, omg i didn't remembered this quiet splash i'm too stupid ok gonna check that :)
[00:17] <maco> hehehe not stupid :)
[00:17] <jacquesdupontd> i'm sure it's about a dkms and this was cause after a weird kernel update and problem with nvidia drivers shoudn't be that hard to fix that, ok now even the update soft is ugly wiith no theme applied i have to find that command to link the theme package to the root application
[00:17] <gigasoft> my taskbar does not close closed programs, they are still there, is there solution for this bug?
[00:19] <michmo> hii :D
[00:20] <jacquesdupontd> ok i found my solution so i share it, sudo apt-get install gtk-chtheme
[00:21] <michmo> could someone say me how to install Emacs on my Kubuntu, i've tryed sudo apt-get install emacs, but it doesn't work ...
[00:21] <jacquesdupontd> 2. Run gtk-chtheme as root (sudo gtk-chtheme
[00:21] <jacquesdupontd> 3. Select Qt, Apply, and hit OK
[00:21] <maco> michmo: did you *Just* install? probably need to run "sudo apt-get update" first
[00:21] <jacquesdupontd> 4. You may have to reboot for changes to occur
[00:21] <maco> michmo: also, go with "emacs23" if you want version 23.1
[00:21] <jacquesdupontd> 5. Open Synaptic as root
[00:22] <michmo> i'll try update before :D
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[00:23] <gigasoft> my taskbar does not close closed programs, they are still there, is there solution for this bug?
[00:23] <michmo> it works great :D
[00:23] <michmo> thanks maco :D
[00:23] <maco> michmo: yay
[00:24] <jacquesdupontd> it works perfect now
[00:24] <jacquesdupontd> i hope you've note my solution better than links to theme
[00:25] <jacquesdupontd> firefox is not ugly anymore good new :)
[00:25] <jacquesdupontd> ok now i'm restarting without the quiet
[00:26] <maco> gigasoft: i seem to be the only one answering questions right now, and i dont use a window list, so i cant answer that, sorry. however, this sounds like a bug, so please check http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-windowlist/+bugs
[00:26] <Erthe> It's a bug in the task manager plasmoid.
[00:26] <Erthe> You just have to remove it from the panel and add it again.
[00:27] <Erthe> I've seen this a few times now.
[00:27] <jacquesdupontd> cya in a sec everybody gonna see what's happing
[00:27] <jacquesdupontd> happening
[00:35] <michmo> cya , and thanks for your help :D
[01:16] <clifton> hi all
[01:17] <clifton> i need help installing a package called mumudvb
[01:19] <clifton> ./configure - make - make install
[01:19] <clifton> ?
[01:21] <Erthe> You should ask in the channel for that application, clifton, if it exists
[01:21] <Erthe> If there's a package for it, just install the package
[01:21] <Erthe> ie: sudo apt-get install mumudvb
[01:22] <clifton> ok
[01:22] <Erthe> If there isn't a package for it (and no channel either), then yes do ./configure && make && make install
[01:23] <bazhang> !info mumudvb
[01:24] <bazhang> clifton, ^^
[01:28] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[01:30] <g__> hello whenever I plug in my headphones in my laptop my speakers make this super annoying click every 20 seconds
[01:34] <g__> anyone?
[01:34] <g__> hello whenever I plug in my headphones in my laptop my speakers make this super annoying click every 20 seconds it never used to do this before on any other versions of ubuntu as I am using the latest one.  I have an hda nvidia chipset with pulse audio now frontlining everything
[01:47] <fliegenderfrosch> is there a way to prevent the folders in the home directory (music, downloads...) from being created every startup?
[01:48] <ScarEye> Hello everyone, I recently upgraded all my PC's to Kubuntu, it's a kick ass OS
[01:48] <ScarEye> good job to all the developers
[01:48] <ScarEye> =)
[01:48] <testingubuntukon> I am very pleased with Ubuntu, both Wubi install on top of Windows, and a pure Ubuntu machine
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> ScarEye, testingubuntukon: Glad to hear it. :) I hope you enjoy it.
[01:49] <ScarEye> I did have one questions, I have a brand new Dell computer that I installed kubuntu on however, there is no xorg.conf file, do I have set that up manually so that video drivers uses 3D?
[01:50] <maco> xorg.conf should not be necessary
[01:50] <maco> has not been for a few releases now
[01:50] <maco> what graphics do you have?
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> NVidia or ATI cards using the proprietary drivers will need one, but if you set things up with the Restricted Driver Manager you shouldn't need to do anything.
[01:51] <ScarEye> it's the default driver that comes with dell optiplex 760 Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset intergrated graphics controller
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> Ah, intel. You shouldn't have to do a thing
[01:51] <ScarEye> But, I don't get the cool 3D stuff that I do with my nVidia
[01:52] <ScarEye> It should be powerful enough to do 3D I would guess.
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> Do you mean the desktop effects?
[01:52] <ScarEye> I guess
[01:52] <ScarEye> like when I installed my nVidia drivers everything just started to work
[01:52] <ScarEye> and xorg.conf was configured
[01:53] <ScarEye> but that was propritary I guess
[01:53] <ScarEye> the drivers at least
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> You could check to see if they are enabled. System Settings -> Desktop
[01:53] <ScarEye> okay and then?
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> The first pane should be "Desktop Effects"
[01:54] <JontheEchidna> The "Enable desktop effects" checkbox should be checked
[01:55] <ScarEye> OMFG
[01:55] <ScarEye> that was so easy
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> If not, check it then hit apply
[01:55] <ScarEye> thank you very much
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> :)
[01:55] <ScarEye> I thought I had to do some crazy compiling and xorg.conf stuff
[01:55] <ScarEye> Wow that was sooooo easy..
[01:55] <ScarEye> I took my PC at work and it is running Kubuntu now also
[01:55] <ScarEye> I am totally in love with it.
[01:56] <ScarEye> my kids pc, my wifes pc everything is now kubuntu cause of your hard work
[01:56] <ScarEye> Thank you, if the developers every come to NY I am buying drinks
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> Have fun.
[01:57] <ScarEye> Thanks JontheEchidna
[01:57] <ScarEye> for your help
[02:02] <sithlord48> does any one know if kde has fast user switching support (or how to use the switch user button in the "leave" section of kmenu)
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> Once you hit "Switch user" in the KMenu a dialog with a "New Session" button should pop up
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> if multiple users are already logged it it will show that button plus buttons for all logged-in users
[02:05] <sithlord48> i tired that to spawn a new session but no luck ..
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> I don't know what's wrong. I've never had that happen before. :(
[02:22] <sithlord48> yea checked my /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc and i do have reserve servers..
[02:37] <Ev0luti0n_> are there also other folks that are unable to install new icon packs from kde-look.org?
[02:37] <Ev0luti0n_> lulz
[02:37] <Ev0luti0n_> since like 8.04 that this bug exists
[02:55] <Bridger987> I have a quick hardware-related question:  My laptop has a problem with its power jack, and will no longer turn on.  It is three and a half year old, $500 Gateway.
[02:56] <Bridger987> Is it worth repairing?  How much would something like that cost?
[02:56] <Ev0luti0n_> there are newer and priceworthy options
[02:56] <Ev0luti0n_> $
[02:56] <Ev0luti0n_> check online for prices or even ebay
[02:57] <Bridger987> Prices for new computers, or for parts?  Because I'm more of a software person than a hardware person.  I wouldn't know where to start.
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> If you went with repairing I definitely wouldn't do it myself. I'd get a quote for a laptop repair and then see if it would be worth spending money for the repair or $400 for a decent new laptop
[03:03] <Bridger987> Jon >  What do you think the underlaying problem is?
[03:03] <WilliamBuell> dont forget that in USA, so called "Black Friday" is coming up, when everything goes on sale for a drastically reduced price, so it may indeed be cheaper to buy a new laptop than pay for a repair.
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> Presumably, the problem would be with either the jack itself or the power supply. I don't know how replacable either of those are with laptops, though
[03:04] <Bridger987> William >  Yep, I've already been looking on Dell's website.  Very good deals, but we'll see.  If I can get it repaired, I will.
[03:05] <Bridger987> But if it's going to be a few hundred dollars for parts/labour, then I'm probably just going to go for a new laptop.
[03:05] <WilliamBuell> here is one of many black friday links showing what Dell and others offer http://theblackfriday.com/
[03:05] <Bridger987> What do people recommend among the name brands?
[03:06] <WilliamBuell> plus, stop and think how you will get something more advanced, and perhaps you will get a warrantee period, which is added value
[03:06] <WilliamBuell> Dell Latitude, at least some years ago, was the MOST rugged of their laptops, and I knew a Dell technician who explained that it was more heavy duty than their Inspiron line
[03:07] <WilliamBuell> and Dell is offering some laptops that come with a Linux Remix of sorts, with the caveat that it is still kind of in Beta and more for "the developer"
[03:07] <Bridger987> The computer I was looking at was a Vostro 1520.  Do you know of any problems/experiences with this model?
[03:08] <WilliamBuell> It has always been my opinion that, unless light weight, small size, and portability are ESSENTIAL for your needs, then you will get far more "bang for the buck" with a desktop, plus it will be easier to service, repair, upgrade
[03:08] <WilliamBuell> I would suggest simply to google on the brand you like and model # together with the word PROBLEM
[03:09] <Bridger987> I've already done it.  ^_^  I just wanted to check and see if anyone had any personal experiences.
[03:09] <Bridger987> And yes, portability's a must.  I'm a student, and use my laptop to take notes.
[03:10] <maco> Bridger987: i get my ubuntu hardware from zareason.com
[03:10] <WilliamBuell> Well, then it is obvious that for you a desktop is NOT an option
[03:10] <maco> system76.com is also popular
[03:11] <WilliamBuell> in my mind, Dell has been a stable company around for SO LONG, and  in Computer/Technology time, even 10 years is like a century, if you know what I mean
[03:12] <Roasted> wheres the partition editor by default? I'm on the livecd and cant seem to find it
[03:13] <WilliamBuell> maco:  zareason.com looks like a link i want to check out, THANKS
[03:13] <xenome> when I install kubuntu fresh the fonts look fantastic, then I install a few GTK apps (pidgin, xchat, firefox) and the fonts suck, then I updated to KDE 4.3.3 and now the fonts look great again.  What causes this?
[03:14] <Bridger987> maco , WilliamBuell >  Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it. ^_^
[03:15] <WilliamBuell> which do some of you prefer, and why:  Ubuntu,      Kubuntu,      or  Edubuntu.
[03:15] <tsimpson> erm
[03:15] <tsimpson> !ot
[03:16] <tsimpson> but you probably want #ubuntu-offtopic (unless you like talking to yourself)
[03:23] <Roasted> williambuell - check PM
[03:23] <Roasted> so, figure this one out. I put my LiveCD in my main rig for Kubuntu 9.04 and boot up. It boots fine. I see the screen on both monitors on the livecd. I reboot, go back to the livecd, and my main monitor is unresponsive "Current input timiung is not supported"
[03:26] <canolucas> how do i get the md5sums of a file ?
[03:27] <tsimpson> canolucas: "md5sum file"
[03:27] <g__> hello whenever I plug in my headphones in my laptop my speakers make this super annoying click every 20 seconds it never used to do this before on any other versions of ubuntu as I am using the latest one.  I have an hda nvidia chipset with pulse audio now frontlining everything
[03:28] <Roasted> odd, when I reboot, everything is fine then with the livecd with dual monitors. weird :/
[03:28] <sharpen047> jussi01, hey
[03:34] <sharpen047> would someone mind helping me? every time i start my computer my internet doesnt work, i delete the profile and make a new one and then it works
[03:34] <antman91> im tryin to find a new icon theme. i would like an alien os icon theme but i cant get it to install any ideas?
[03:35] <antman91> sharpen047:  are u running wireless?
[03:35] <sharpen047> antman91, yes i am
[03:35] <xenome> KDE keeps crashing on me, is there a log I could look at for hints to what's going on?
[03:35] <antman91> sharpen047:  is there a secruity code?
[03:36] <sharpen047> antman91, yes there is
[03:36] <antman91> sharpen047:  ok go to manage cnnections
[03:36] <sharpen047> okay
[03:36] <antman91> sharpen047:  wirless tab
[03:36] <antman91> sharpen047:  add
[03:37] <antman91> sharpen047:  put in ur info
[03:37] <antman91> sharpen047:  and connect auto should be checked
[03:37] <sharpen047> done
[03:37] <maco> xenome: ~/.xsession_errors?
[03:37] <antman91> sharpen047:  there ya go
[03:37] <sharpen047> it is
[03:37] <xenome> so if kde crashes and then requires me to log back in, is that kwin or plasma that is crashing
[03:38] <antman91> sharpen047:  save and it should all be good
[03:38] <sharpen047> antman91, it is already checked
[03:38] <sharpen047> when i reboot it says "unavailable"
[03:39] <xenome> dang, looks like .xsessions_errors was overwritten when I logged back in
[03:39] <antman91> sharpen047:  did u aply it?
[03:39] <sharpen047> antman91, yeah i have to do that every time i reboot
[03:40] <antman91> sharpen047:  hmm weird works 4 me everytime
[03:40] <sharpen047> antman91, it worked for me until i uninstalled pulse audio
[03:40] <antman91> sharpen047:  hmm.
[03:41] <antman91> sharpen047:  well idk what that would have done.
[03:41] <sharpen047> exactly
[03:41] <sharpen047> dont worry i tend to  find the errors that no one knows the answers to
[03:41] <antman91> sharpen047:  run an update check there are bug fixes out today
[03:42] <antman91> sharpen047: lol i dont work for linux i was just bored xD
[03:42] <sharpen047> haah
[03:42] <sharpen047> ive gotten 2 devs stuck lately so yeah
[03:42] <sharpen047> no updates "(
[03:42] <antman91> sharpen047:  did you update yet?
[03:42] <antman91> sharpen047:  refresh?
[03:43] <antman91> sharpen047:  im sory what version are you running?
[03:43] <sharpen047> 9.10
[03:43] <antman91> sharpen047: me to did you all ready update today?
[03:43] <sharpen047> yup
[03:43] <antman91> sudo apt-get update run that in the terminal
[03:44] <sharpen047> im using kpackagekit
[03:44] <antman91> maybe this will help when i installed pulse audio a dev told me to run sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:45] <antman91> there are bugs with kpkit
[03:47] <antman91> sharpen047:  it seams everytime im on here i help more people then the mediators
[03:47] <antman91> sharpen047:  did you run those commands?
[03:50] <Roasted> hey uh simple question - how do I dual screen my kubuntu machine?> Im used to gnome so Im not sure where to find this setting at
[03:50] <sharpen047> antman91, which? sorry the update?
[03:50] <antman91> sharpen047:  yes first the update and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:51] <sharpen047> i did that earlier
[03:52] <antman91> sharpen047:  the upgrade to?
[03:54] <sharpen047> yes
[03:54] <antman91> sharpen047:  then i can be of no further help =[ i am sorry
[03:55] <sharpen047> sok :D like i said i get tone ones people dont know anything about
[03:57] <Roasted> guys where do you set up dual screen at with nvidia in kubuntu
[04:01] <Erthe> Chinese food == good.
[04:01] <Erthe> My official position on that.
[04:01] <sharpen047> used to be in xorg.conf Roasted
[04:02] <sharpen047> its called dualview
[04:03] <Roasted> sharpen047 - yeah but theres a gui tool with nvidia in gnome to set up dual monitors. I expected to see the same in kde I just dont know where its at assuming it exists.
[04:04] <sharpen047> haha this was a couple years ago but when you install the drivers via nvidia it would ask you then
[04:14] <Roasted> hey guys - I got dual screen running but my native res on my second monitor is 1440x900, but it will only allow me to choose up to 1368x768
[04:16] <Erthe> Uh, that's a video driver issue.
[04:16] <Erthe> Are they the same monitor?
[04:16] <Erthe> Like, same model?
[04:19] <Roasted> no
[04:19] <Roasted> I didnt have this problem in gnome with the same driver :/
[04:20] <Roasted> okay wow
[04:20] <Roasted> I just opened system settings, I didnt change anything, I just OPENED it
[04:20] <Roasted> and it split my main monitor into 4 squares
[04:20] <Roasted> like a mix matched puzzle
[04:20] <Roasted> what the fk
[04:22] <Roasted> okay, back to normal - same problem persists - poor resolution in 2nd monitor
[04:23] <Erthe> Are you in System Settings -> Display?
[04:23] <perseid> Hi. I'm trying to upgrade from 9.03 to 9.10 and I get these errors. http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=gizvf
[04:24] <Roasted> GAH
[04:24] <Roasted> yeah
[04:24] <Roasted> erthe when I go there thats when it gets fked up
[04:24] <Roasted> come onnnnnnnnnnnnn kde
[04:25] <Roasted> okay Im in system settings - display with ONE monitor configured. Do I need to do anything here?
[04:27] <Erthe> I'm just reading about the issue now.
[04:27] <Erthe> What GPU are you running?
[04:28] <Erthe> (Display Adapter)
[04:28] <Roasted> Nvidia 9600GT
[04:28] <Erthe> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Jaunty#Configure_Dual_Monitors_with_nVidia
[04:29] <Erthe> Google ftw  :D
[04:29] <Roasted> dood this is exactly what I did in gnome
[04:30] <Roasted> and exactly what I did just now
[04:30] <Roasted> the problem is my 2nd monitor isnt getting the proper resolution
[04:30] <ebovine> Roasted: I had to change monitor cables to get mine to detect properly.
[04:30] <Roasted> ebovine - the thing is, I dual boot ubuntu and kubuntu on this computer
[04:30] <Erthe> Roasted: Oh, uh.
[04:31] <Roasted> both 9.04, both 64 bit
[04:31] <Roasted> I can boot to ubuntu
[04:31] <Roasted> BLAM. perfect.
[04:31] <FloodBotK1> Roasted: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:31] <Roasted> I boot to Kubuntu, "sorry sir we dont know what resolution youre using"
[04:31] <Erthe> That's very very strange.
[04:32] <Erthe> You could always try modifying xorg.conf yourself
[04:32] <Roasted> yeah, no
[04:32] <Roasted> Kubuntu may have to take a back seat
[04:32] <Erthe> It's the same OS though, and that's an xorg.conf issue.
[04:32] <Roasted> why does my screen freak out when I select system settings - display?
[04:32] <Erthe> Solvable too.
[04:32] <Roasted> you know
[04:32] <Roasted> Ill just mount my ubuntu partition
[04:32] <Roasted> grab the xorg
[04:32] <Roasted> and toss it on here
[04:32] <FloodBotK1> Roasted: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:33] <Roasted> FKING BLOOD BOT
[04:33] <Roasted> I wish I could punch them in the face
[04:33] <Erthe> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1137206.html
[04:35] <Roasted> I should try the 173 driver
[04:35] <Roasted> instead of 180
[04:36] <Erthe> Yes.
[04:36] <Erthe> I just got to that part too  :D
[04:36] <Erthe> It's a jaunty issue it seems.
[04:37] <Roasted> I should see what driver Im on in ubuntu
[04:37] <Erthe> Your GNOME installation may have the 173, that's why it works  :D
[04:37] <Erthe> LOL
[04:37] <Erthe> Yes.
[04:37] <Roasted> gonna reboot to it now
[04:37] <Roasted> I could have sworn it was 180 though
[04:37] <Roasted> or 18x something
[04:37] <Roasted> gah I hate computers
[04:37] <Erthe> You're setting up an OS in one night
[04:37] <Erthe> You're actually making good time, think about it  :D
[04:38] <Roasted> well, I SHOULD be making good time considering what I do for a living. :P
[04:38] <Roasted> remember, sc hool district, many systems
[04:38] <Roasted> all in a days work
[04:38] <Roasted> :P
[04:38] <Guest7035> k
[04:38] <Erthe> Well I hope you get it up and running the way you want, I'd like to see what you think of it once you've had a chance to work with it a bit.
[04:39] <Roasted> hey uh erthe
[04:39] <Roasted> gnome - 9.04 64 bit - ubuntu - nvidia 180 drivers - works perfectly
[04:40] <Erthe> I'm using the 180 too.
[04:41] <gorgonzola> hello, anyone here can help with latex? i can't figure out where to put bst files...
[04:44] <Roasted> wow
[04:45] <Roasted> erthe - I installed 173 drivers. Now the only options I have for my 19 inch monitor, resolution wise, is 320x240 and 640x480
[04:45] <Roasted> awesome
[04:46] <Erthe> Why not copy your working xorg.conf file from Ubuntu?
[04:46] <Roasted> Im gonna try that next after I get the 180 drivers back in
[04:46] <Erthe> (Or even just try it)
[04:46] <Erthe> *nods*
[04:46] <Roasted> wow
[04:46] <Roasted> kde just crashed
[04:47] <Erthe> By you doing?
[04:48] <Roasted> selecting "remove" in the hardware drivers section
[04:48] <Erthe> Oh, I can see why it maybe did not like that.
[04:49] <Roasted> is KDE supposed to crash when I try to remove a driver?
[04:49] <Erthe> No.
[04:50] <Erthe> I have a pretty moderate desktop system, 3.2Ghz CoreDuo, 4GB DDR2, Nvidia Video, Integrated Audio, 19" widescreen and 0 issues system stability wise.
[04:50] <Erthe> Just odds and ends application crap.
[04:50] <Roasted> I dont know man
[04:50] <Roasted> this isnt looking good
[04:51] <Roasted> I rebooted and trying to remove the driver now. Its doing the same shit again.
[04:51] <Erthe> Do it from a console.
[04:51] <Roasted> Quad core, 4gb DDR2, 9600GT, 19" and 24"
[04:51] <Erthe> CTRL-ALT-F
[04:51] <Erthe> CTRL-ALT-F3
[04:51] <FloodBotK1> Erthe: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:51] <Erthe> And remove the package from there.
[04:52] <Erthe> With respect to display issues, that isn't KDE or GNOME, that's X.
[04:52] <Erthe> I'm surprised your Ubuntu installation works with both monitors the way you want.
[04:52] <Roasted> its always worked since day 1, and Ive changed my display configuration around a lot
[04:52] <Roasted> at one point I was using a 22 and a 17 inch CRT
[04:52] <Erthe> Because the base hardware support is in the OS, not the desktop.
[04:52] <Roasted> then 22 and 19 inch CRT, then 22 inch and 19 inch, then 24 inch and 19 inch
[04:53] <Roasted> Ive changed it around a lot and never had an issue
[04:53] <Roasted> thats what I thought too
[04:53] <Roasted> but its hard to place blame when the only thing that changed was KDE itself
[04:53] <Roasted> what am I typing in terminal?
[04:53] <Erthe> Oh, do you know the package name?
[04:53] <Roasted> no
[04:54] <Erthe> One sec then...
[04:54] <Erthe> Your removing the 180?
[04:54] <Roasted> wait, nevermind. Now it magically decided to prompt me for a PW and remove properly.
[04:54] <Roasted> removing 173
[04:54] <Erthe> Oh.
[04:54] <Erthe> Well, now reboot and it'll let you install the 180 I think.
[04:55] <Roasted> yeah
[04:55] <Erthe> Or install it and run the config again I guess.
[04:55] <Roasted> do you know why it backfired when I went into system settings - display
[04:55] <Roasted> my screen turned into a puzzle
[04:56] <Roasted> my main monitor got split into 4 pieces and scattered around. What was on the left of my screen was in the center and shit
[04:56] <Erthe> That I don't know.
[04:56] <Erthe> It's not that KDE doesn't have bugs, but it was basically rewritten for version 4 due to the changes in Qt when they made the version jump.
[04:56] <Erthe> It's all very new.
[04:57] <Roasted> I understand. It's just frustrating when I read that KDE is solid and stuff and I come here and I cant even get twinview to work. This stuff is something that... just... works... for me in gnome
[04:57] <Erthe> But for me, KDE4 honors whatever resolutions I set in nvidia-config
[04:57] <Roasted> Im sure KDE would honor those resolutions to whatever I set
[04:57] <Roasted> the problem is, its not giving me the proper resolutions in the first place
[04:57] <Erthe> nvidia-config you mean?
[04:57] <Roasted> yeah
[04:57] <Roasted> 1360x768 = max res for my 19 inch monitor
[04:58] <Erthe> That's not KDE  :D
[04:58] <Roasted> native res for it is 1440x900
[04:58] <Roasted> even still... hate to fire this line out, but its fine in gnome *shrug*
[04:59] <Erthe> I can't imagine what's different between your Ubuntu installation and your Kubuntu installation, they're basically the same base OS.
[04:59] <Erthe> GNOME is a shell in an X server.
[04:59] <Erthe> So is KDE.
[04:59] <Roasted> thats where Im confused too
[04:59] <Erthe> GNOME deals with whatever X gives it to deal with, so does KDE.
[04:59] <Erthe> X is a server you "broadcast" apps to.
[05:00] <Erthe> So typing X on the command line (don't do this when you have an x server running already) will give you basically a blank slate.
[05:00] <Erthe> It's a cursor and a graphical display.
[05:00] <Erthe> You have to run apps that broadcast to that display.
[05:00] <Erthe> Everything graphical environment wise in Linux runs in X.
[05:00] <Erthe> Your hardware is configured for X.
[05:01] <Erthe> Then delegated to your desktop environment.
[05:01] <Erthe> So it's not KDE's fault that your X installation is fucked.  :D
[05:01] <Erthe> It wouldn't be GNOME's either.
[05:02] <Roasted> just copied the xorg.conf over, rebooting now
[05:02] <Erthe> Cool.
[05:02] <Roasted> if this doesnt work Im gonna freeeeeek
[05:02] <Erthe> If it doesn't work, make a post on a forum and go to sleep.  :D
[05:02] <Roasted> already posted on the forum
[05:03] <Erthe> The other great thing about getting any Linux up and running is typically there are people who have had your problem and created a solution.
[05:03] <Roasted> worked
[05:03] <Roasted> WIN
[05:03] <Erthe> Ya?
[05:03] <Roasted> IT WORKED
[05:03] <Erthe> Grats  :D
[05:03] <FloodBotK1> Roasted: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:03] <gorgonzola> Erthe: exception being, how to make kdm/gdm behave and follow xorg resolution confs, or just not try to apply their own.
[05:04] <Roasted> I'd like to know why the KDE side of nvidia-settings fails to show me the proper settings then
[05:04] <Erthe> I think KDM/GDM are voodoo.
[05:04] <gorgonzola> Erthe: i'm still booting into a non-wide screen splash in my wide screen monitor... and no one seems to know where the f* kdm is getting those settings from :(
[05:05] <Erthe> Roasted, don't worry about it.
[05:05] <Erthe> Leave X config to nvidia-settings
[05:05] <Roasted> erthe - but I want to know what happened...
[05:05] <Erthe> Let the KDE config for it alone, there could be bugs in it is all.
[05:05] <Erthe> See if you can use the KDE settings for display now
[05:05] <Erthe> If it works, yay.
[05:05] <Erthe> If not, you have working configuration.
[05:06] <Erthe> Doesn't mean you can't record what you did in a forum and see if someone can solve the issue.
[05:06] <Roasted> oh yeah Im, leaving this system alone
[05:06] <Erthe> gorgonzola: I think KDM and GDM have their own config.
[05:06] <Roasted> but I just want to understand what happened
[05:07] <Erthe> You can look at .xsession-errors I think in your home directory
[05:07] <Roasted> here goes the panel again...
[05:08] <Roasted> I appreciate the help erthe :)
[05:09] <Erthe> np man.
[05:09] <Erthe> How's it looking now?
[05:09] <gorgonzola> Erthe, thanks for the help, but i have learned to live with it. anyway, i ws just mentioning that login managers do not play nice with xorg.conf and that... nevermind me :)
[05:09] <Roasted> I just effed up the panel. Ill figure it out though.
[05:09] <Roasted> I like the responsiveness of KDE though.
[05:09] <Roasted> it doesnt seem bloated at all
[05:09] <Erthe> You have a 3D card, turn on the desktop effects.  :D
[05:09] <Roasted> the log in/out sounds HAVE to go though lol
[05:09] <Erthe> Wobbly windows ftw
[05:09] <Roasted> already did man :P
[05:10] <Erthe> I like transparent windows when moving.
[05:10] <Roasted> yeah, I dig that too
[05:10] <Roasted> theres something about dolphin too thats just more attractive
[05:11] <Erthe> I'm going to share my favourite feature of KDE with you.
[05:11] <Erthe> Do you write much code?
[05:12] <Roasted> code? me?
[05:12] <Brhad56> Wobbly windows annoy the piss out of me.
[05:12] <Roasted> Im a hardware guy
[05:12] <Erthe> The file dialog in KDE allows you to save 'Places' uniquely per application.
[05:12] <Roasted> give me a couple 25,000 dollar servers and a couple boxes of ethernet cable and Ill make them humm
[05:12] <Roasted> ask me to code a simple HTML web page and I get all duur da duur
[05:12] <Erthe> So in Kate, the places in my dialog are specific to working with code.
[05:12] <Erthe> In Dolphin, it's music, videos, etc.
[05:13] <Erthe> Oh, well, learning how to write shell scripts are handy for anyone  :D
[05:14] <Erthe> Dolphin is so much more usable for me than Nautilus
[05:14] <forge_> I still prefer konqi
[05:15] <Erthe> forge_: I use that when I'm working because of the complicated split panes I use in it.
[05:15] <forge_> but yeah I'd take quite a few others before I even looked at nautilus
[05:15] <Erthe> forge_: But every day file management, Dolphin is very nice.
[05:15] <forge_> Krusader is kewl...
[05:15] <Erthe> Krusader is nice, yes.
[05:16] <Roasted> man
[05:16] <Roasted> my clock is taking up 3/4 of my top panel and I cant downsize it
[05:16] <Roasted> how can I be so retarded with the simplest things
[05:20] <Roasted> nevermind, I got it. Im stupid. I removed task manmager and clock spanned across the entire thing
[05:20] <Erthe> haha.
[05:20] <Roasted> Im learning man
[05:21] <Roasted> Im tired, delirious, slightly drunk, but I'm learning
[05:24] <Erthe> It's all good.
[05:24] <Erthe> <-- smoked a roach after the chinese food
[05:24] <Roasted> it was you that said most of your gnome buddies switched to kde right?
[05:24] <Erthe> 5 of them now.
[05:24] <Erthe> Still waiting on the other 3.
[05:24] <Erthe> :D
[05:24] <Roasted> aint gonna lie - I can see why
[05:24] <Roasted> dont get me wrong, I love gnome. LOVE it. But I can see why KDE is a very worthy competitor.
[05:24] <Erthe> The longer you use it, the more you'll find the little gems that you get hooked on using.
[05:24] <Roasted> and the beauty of Linux allowing me to share 1 home directory between 2 operating systems means I can integrate Kubuntu to be my main OS so easily its unreal
[05:24] <Erthe> Linux > Windows
[05:24] <Erthe> :)
[05:24] <gorgonzola> and the deeper you'll begin hating gnome :P
[05:24] <stevo> KDE FTW
[05:24] <Roasted> Im just still overwelmingly happy that I can share a home directory between 2 OSs
[05:24] <Erthe> Ya, the more I've used KDE the more I've thought of GNOME as "the other environment"
[05:24] <Roasted> I mean wtf
[05:24] <Brhad56> KDE & Gnome are not OS's.
[05:24] <gorgonzola> Roasted: yes, it's the coolest thing. i was just being obnoxious.
[05:24] <Roasted> even still, brhad56, I could do this with opensuse and fedora if I wanted
[05:24] <Roasted> still linux, but a different flavor
[05:24] <stevo> i believe you
[05:24] <Erthe> Brhad56: He means he boots between Ubuntu and Kubuntu while using the same home dir between the two.
[05:25] <Brhad56> Roasted: I am skeptical.
[05:25] <gorgonzola> me too
[05:25] <Erthe> KDE was the first between the two (GNOME and KDE) to have a UI guideline for it's applications.
[05:25] <gorgonzola> that sounds... pornographic.
[05:25] <stevo> skeptical of what
[05:25] <Erthe> GNOME applications still exhibit the potpouri of GNOME design non-standards.
[05:26] <Brhad56> I am skeptical of being able to share the same home director on a dual boot of OpenSUSE and Fedora
[05:26] <Brhad56> director=directory
[05:26] <Erthe> Brhad56: You can.
[05:26] <Roasted> brhad56 - in the installer, just select the home partition accordingly and mount it - but dont format it
[05:26] <Erthe> You just mount the home partition from the same partition for both.
[05:26] <stevo> how will that work
[05:26] <Erthe> So /home is always /dev/sdxn
[05:27] <Roasted> stevo - simple. In one OS, the partition is listed as home and it mounts it. In the other OS, it does the same. Both OSs arent online at the same time.
[05:27] <Roasted> stevo - my main system right now is broken up like this - Vista / Swap/ Ubuntu / Home / Kubuntu
[05:27] <Brhad56> Google tells me you guys speak of the truth.  Sorry I doubted
[05:27] <gorgonzola> yuo can probably pull that out because both oses onyl differ in desktop environments...
[05:27] <Roasted> Ubuntu and Kubuntu share the same home dir. I rebooted to Kubuntu for the first time and presto - there was my 300gb of data :P
[05:27] <stevo> so you have your home directory as another partition?
[05:28] <gorgonzola> but it sounds like a recipe for disaster...
[05:28] <Roasted> stevo - yes
[05:28] <Roasted> gorzonzola - its really not
[05:28] <Roasted> its on a separate partition, thats why
[05:28] <Roasted> you mount the partition, its just that simple
[05:28] <Erthe> One of the early great things about UNIX was large networks where everyones home directory was hosted on a remote server.
[05:28] <Erthe> Mounted via NFS to each "terminal"
[05:28] <stevo> i just have it on the same partition
[05:29] <Roasted> stevo - that may be a problem then
[05:29] <Roasted> I always partition my home directory away from root
[05:29] <Roasted> 1gb swap - 20gb root ( / ) - remainder as home
[05:29] <gorgonzola> Roasted, yeah, i undersatend, and its a cool setup, i hadn't thought about that. but /home is not soooo system agnostic. in the case o k|ubuntu it won;t be a problem, because the libs and other stuff is the same...
[05:29] <Erthe> A good practice, FYI
[05:29] <stevo> does it make it faster or something?
[05:29] <gorgonzola> but even with ubuntu and debian you probably would be asking for too much.
[05:29] <Roasted> no, its just more convenient
[05:29] <Erthe> Typically software is not installed in /home/<user>
[05:30] <Erthe> It should be installed on the system and used by users.
[05:30] <Brhad56> I have learned something new for the day.  I can turn my brain off now.
[05:30] <Roasted> stevo - when you upgrade ubuntu, you can do a fresh install on your root partition without formatting your home directory
[05:30] <stevo> ahhhhh
[05:30] <Erthe> You can mount a partition anywhere you want stevo
[05:30] <stevo> that is pretty useful
[05:30] <gorgonzola> stevo: yeah, its really a good idea, you should try it.
[05:30] <Roasted> stevo - I never do upgrades. I do fresh installs. So I can crash my main partition, install the new linux version I want, and hwen I boot up (because I mounted my home directory in the installer) presto - all my shit is there
[05:30] <Erthe> mount /dev/sdb3 /home/myuser/workspace
[05:30] <Roasted> because after all, we need to spend our time tinkering with our linux systems - not copying our data back over from a backup drive :P :P
[05:30] <Erthe> Would assign that partition to that path
[05:31] <stevo> how do I make it work with all the .kde .firefox .mozilla and all of that
[05:31] <Roasted> stevo - it just seems to work
[05:31] <Erthe> Stevo:  Your home directory contains all of your user-specific configuration for applications, as well as your files.
[05:31] <Roasted> stevo - I JUST signed on Pidgin for the first time. On Ubuntu, I had my password saved. In Kubuntu, booted up for the first time and 10 seconds ago I clicked on my Pidgin icon. It signed right on because of the information in my .pidgin folder in home
[05:32] <Roasted> or .purple, whatever it is for pidgin
[05:32] <Erthe> If it's on a separate partition, as long as your UID is the same for the users on each OS, it can be mounted by many OSs
[05:32] <Erthe> Roasted, try Kopete  :D
[05:32] <stevo> if I done a new install, and had this home partition, how would I make it work with this different directory as default
[05:32] <Erthe> In fact, PM me a MSN email if you have one, I'll add you so you can play with Kopete.
[05:33] <Erthe> stevo: When you set up your mount points when you reinstall, you can simply mount the partition as /home and not format it.
[05:33] <Erthe> It'll keep all the data the way it was.
[05:34] <Erthe> And when  your system boots your home directory is as it was before you installed.
[05:34] <gorgonzola> hey that UID detail is an important detail, if you ever plan on having more than one user...
[05:34] <stevo> If i had a new install of slackware, on a diff partition than kubuntu, how would I configure it to be the correct home directory, not the one preinstalled
[05:35] <Erthe> Well, I don't know much about the slackware install.
[05:35] <gorgonzola> stevo, that was the exact thing i was warning about above :)
[05:35] <stevo> okay, okay, xubuntu
[05:35] <gorgonzola> stevo, that will proabaly work just fine :)
[05:35] <Erthe> But once it's up, you can just edit fstab to mount whatever partition to /home
[05:36] <Erthe> On a UNIX filesystem files are saved with the UID and GID of the user that saved them.
[05:36] <Erthe> Permissions are stored too.
[05:36] <stevo> if I mount it, why wouldn't it be just another filesystem?
[05:36] <Erthe> The user you assign that home directory too just needs to have the same UID so you can modify the files.
[05:37] <gorgonzola> stevo 'coz you told it to mount it to /home :)
[05:37] <Erthe> stevo: The idea is that you have /dev/sdb3 (for example) as your home partition.
[05:37] <Erthe> In *any* Linux, you can mount /dev/sdb3 /home
[05:37] <Erthe> And all the files in that partition will exist in /home
[05:37] <Erthe> So /home/youruser will always be /home/youruser
[05:37] <gorgonzola> you can mount anything anywhere... for example, having a separate /var /usr or /home partition can be useful in some setups.
[05:38] <Erthe> Yup.
[05:38] <Erthe> So you can mount it anywhere.
[05:38] <stevo> how do I specify the mount?
[05:38] <gorgonzola> in /etc/fstab
[05:38] <Erthe> Well, you could create a directory in your home directory called 'foo'
[05:38] <Erthe> And do mount /dev/sdb3 /home/youruser/foo
[05:38] <stevo> why foo?
[05:38] <Erthe> It's an example  :D
[05:39] <Erthe> The idea is, like drive letters with Windows, a partition is mounted onto the root filesystem.
[05:39] <Erthe> And any Linux can read that partition, because it'll be formatted with a Linux filesystem type.
[05:39] <Erthe> So long as your user ID remains the same between Linux installations, you can use that homedir all the time.
[05:40] <Erthe> Make sense now?
[05:41] <stevo> how do I mount it to a place tho
[05:42] <Erthe> You type:  mount /dev/device /mount/point
[05:42] <Erthe> But you have to have a partition to mount.
[05:42] <Erthe> And a mount point.
[05:42] <stevo> will I have to do this everytime I boot?
[05:43] <Erthe> If you were going to setup your system that way, you could just put it in fstab
[05:43] <Erthe> The file is /etc/fstab
[05:43] <Roasted> after installing medibuntu does it require a reboot?
[05:43] <Erthe> It will mount when the system boots.
[05:43] <Erthe> Roasted: I, dunno.
[05:44] <stevo> well, how do I get the same UID
[05:44] <Erthe> stevo, you can specify your UID by hand if you want, for both OSs
[05:44] <Erthe> Read about /etc/passwd and /etc/group
[05:44] <Erthe> Each user is assigned an ID when it's created.
[05:45] <Erthe> Most Linux distributions assign 1000 as the first user id.
[05:45] <stevo> like, If i put stevo on kubuntu and stevo on xubuntu with same pass, would that work
[05:45] <stevo> k
[05:45] <Erthe> The passwords could be different.
[05:45] <Erthe> Just so long as the UID was the same.
[05:45] <Erthe> Not username either, it's the UID that counts.
[05:45] <Erthe> The username can even be different  :D
[05:46] <stevo> where do I change the UID
[05:46] <Roasted> erthe - damn KDE
[05:46] <Erthe> I'm pretty sure the only spot you need to is /etc/passwd, but read about it, don't take my word on it.
[05:46] <Erthe> Roasted: Hmm?
[05:46] <Roasted> this thing is going to keep me up all night playing with it. I gotta customize things the way I want, get to know it, find a new theme, etc
[05:46] <Roasted> GAHHHHHHHHH :P
[05:46] <Erthe> LOL
[05:46] <Erthe> You'll have fun though.
[05:47] <stevo> thank you all, I just learned another linux doohickey
[05:47] <Erthe> The nice thing about KDE is that you can download all the themes from the interfaces that set them.
[05:47] <Erthe> Free wallpapers, colour schemes, plasmoids, etc.
[05:47] <stevo> another question...
[05:47] <Erthe> stevo: shoot.
[05:47] <Roasted> in gnome I just drag/drop themes to the appearance folder - how do I do it in KDE? Same method?
[05:47] <Roasted> assuming I grab from kde-lookj.org that is
[05:47] <stevo> what is the smallest linux that I can put on a flash drive that still has a gui
[05:47] <Erthe> Roasted: It'll show you a list from that site, you hit install, it downloads and installs it.
[05:48] <Erthe> Roasted: In the interface.  Right lick on your desktop and go to settings.
[05:48] <Erthe> Roasted: You'll see what I mean once you're in there
[05:48] <Erthe> stevo: Umm, there are a ton of small projects.
[05:48] <Roasted> Erthe - so if Im on kde-look.org and I find one and hit install, it does the rest?
[05:48] <Erthe> stevo: I know a few people who've setup bootable Ubuntu.
[05:48] <stevo> DSL isn't small
[05:49] <Erthe> Roasted: No, when you go to look at the available themes in your system settings, there's a dialog there to fetch a list from that site and download it for you
[05:49] <Erthe> Roasted: And install it
[05:49] <Erthe> stevo: There's a roll your own Linux out there.
[05:49] <Erthe> stevo: But it's slow to get setup.
[05:50] <Roasted> dude this is unreal
[05:50] <Roasted> why is this so easy
[05:50] <Erthe> Roasted: You can go to kde-look.org too and download manually, but it's an extra step
[05:50] <Erthe> LOL
[05:50] <Erthe> Cause GNOME blows
[05:50] <Erthe> haha
[05:50] <FloodBotK3> Erthe: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:50] <Roasted> why did I take so long to try this out, seriously
[05:50]  * Erthe hugs FloodBotK3
[05:50] <Roasted> Ill always love gnome man, but this is pretty solid
[05:50] <Erthe> Parts of me love GNOME too.
[05:51] <Erthe> Mostly it's boot speed.
[05:51] <Erthe> I would use GNOME on a laptop.
[05:51] <Erthe> But KDE owns my desktop.
[05:51] <Roasted> man KDE boots just as fast on here as gnome does
[05:51] <Roasted> I timed it :P
[05:51] <Erthe> I use a pretty stock GNOME config.
[05:51] <Erthe> No customizations really.
[05:53] <stevo> my resolution resets when I start the computer or log back in to the maximum size
[05:53] <Roasted> Erthe - I cant seem to figure out how to apply an existing picture I have as my background
[05:53] <Erthe> Another thing that's sweet, Roasted, once you get your window decorations, styles, colours, etc. setup in KDE, you can save it all as a theme.
[05:53] <stevo> i have an nvidia card
[05:54] <Roasted> nevermind, Im stupid
[05:54] <Erthe> Roasted: Umm.  You can browse to it's location directly or use the dropdown thing (which saves background picture locations)
[05:54] <Roasted> Erthe - you can do that in Gnome too man
[05:54] <Erthe> Roasted: I know, I was just pointed it out.  :D
[05:54] <Erthe> stevo: Run nvidia-config
[05:54] <stevo> i have
[05:54] <stevo> in sudo also
[05:55] <perseid> Hmm. I used Get New Themes to get some Splash Screens but they don't show up in the list to select them.
[05:55] <Erthe> perseid: Some of the splash screens on KDE-look right now don't install because the packages are formatted improperly.
[05:55] <Roasted> Erthe - in Gnome I had a picture that was one big picture scaled to fit both monitors. In KDE It only applies that picture to 1 monitor. How can I work around this?
[05:55] <Erthe> stevo: I would post that on the forums.  If you can't write xorg.conf something else entirely is wrong.
[05:56] <perseid> 'k.
[05:56] <stevo> i think it is kde's fault
[05:56] <Erthe> Roasted: Umm, that I actually don't know.
[05:56] <Erthe> Googlin'
[05:56] <stevo> I fixed it, but then desktop effects don't start at same time
[05:57] <Erthe> Select tiled Roasted
[05:57] <Erthe> See if that helps
[05:57] <stevo> Roasted cut the image in half, and apply 1 to each?
[05:57] <Roasted> stevo - I can do that, but I dont know how to individually select this picture = monitor 1, this picture = monitor 2, otherwise Id do that
[05:58] <stevo> ah
[05:58] <Roasted> Erthe - I tried all options in the drop down. None worked.
[05:58] <Roasted> All of them left my 19 with the default "air" image
[05:58] <Erthe> Still lookin'
[05:58] <stevo> that is a bummer
[05:59] <Roasted> ah well
[05:59] <Roasted> its a small issue
[05:59] <Roasted> I also notice Im on KDE 4.2.2. I need to 4.3.2. this shyt :P
[06:00] <Erthe> I would do that first.
[06:00] <Erthe> :)
[06:01] <Roasted> yeah
[06:01] <Roasted> looking on how to
[06:02] <Roasted> also - apps open by default to my 2nd monitor. Is that a setting I can change?
[06:03] <Erthe> Um, ya, I think that's a window behaviour thing, one sec..
[06:03] <Erthe> System Settings -> Window Behaviour
[06:04] <Erthe> But I'm not sure you can direct the app to a display.
[06:04] <Erthe> (I don't have two monitors, so my options may differ from yours)
[06:04] <Erthe> The Advanced tab lets you decide how they present when the open though
[06:04] <Erthe> If that doesn't work, you can set a global window setting I'm sure
[06:07] <Roasted> I cant get my effing sound to work....
[06:07] <Roasted> medibuntu I think
[06:08] <Erthe> You can always copy your alsa config or whatever from your other installation.
[06:11] <Erthe> When I started running Linux in '98, configuring everything took days on my first install.
[06:12] <Erthe> It was a week before I had my audio functioning.
[06:12] <Erthe> I don't miss RedHat.
[06:12] <Roasted> in 2 hours I have pretty much everything done :P
[06:12] <Erthe> 2 hours?
[06:12] <Erthe> Keep counting  :D
[06:12] <Roasted> Im sure Ill find more stuff but were off to a good start!
[06:12] <Erthe> You should try out Kopete.
[06:12] <Crash8308> hey anyone know what is a good channel for dvd encoders?
[06:13] <Erthe> It's the everything IM.
[06:13] <Erthe> Devede is what I use to make DVD ISOs
[06:13] <Erthe> AVI -> DVD
[06:13] <Erthe> Or anything really.
[06:14] <Crash8308> or rather
[06:14] <Crash8308> decode dvds
[06:14] <Erthe> Just to watch DVDs?
[06:14] <Erthe> Or to rip them?
[06:14] <Crash8308> rip/backup
[06:15] <Erthe> Ripping it is probably easy given that you can just dump the bytes.
[06:15] <Erthe> Google can tell you how.
[06:15] <Erthe> Using it to back stuff up, you can use K3B
[06:15] <Erthe> To make DVD data discs.
[06:15] <Crash8308> I already know how, but I need to know which track to rip from Star-Trek
[06:15] <Crash8308> it has 99 of them....
[06:15] <Crash8308> the encryption on this thing is mad
[06:16] <Crash8308> i was trying to find online but i can only find info on the AU disc not the region 1
[06:17] <Erthe> This is the wrong channel for that kind of question.
[06:17] <Crash8308> i know.... do you know a channel?
[06:17] <Erthe> Not on this network, no.
[06:17] <Erthe> You could try #decss, but I dunno.
[06:17] <Crash8308> i haven't used IRC for a loooong time
[06:18] <Erthe> EFNet has warez channels
[06:18] <Erthe> They could direct you to the correct place I'm sure.
[06:18] <tsimpson> we can't support your actions and you need to stop speaking about it now
[06:18] <Crash8308> no problem :)
[06:18] <Erthe> Hey tsimpson  :D
[06:19]  * tsimpson thinks about putting "EFNet" on highlight, but then thinks better of it
[06:20] <Erthe> Talk about an old network.
[06:20] <Erthe> I first started IRCing on Undernet, moved to EFNet, but in the last 6 years I haven't really IRCed anywhere but on this network.
[06:20] <caris_mere> my sound works under 9.10, except when the sound should be produced through firefox. How can I get that to work?
[06:20] <Erthe> IM killed IRC
[06:30] <Erthe> OK, goodnight folks.
[06:30] <Erthe> Have fun with your configuration Roasted.  :)
[06:30] <Roasted> thanks brosef
[06:30] <Roasted> :)
[06:33] <Guest992> hii all
[06:34] <Roasted> sup
[06:34] <stevo> hello
[06:35] <stevo> I love learning from these channels
[06:35] <Roasted> yeah man
[06:35] <Roasted> these channels and the forums are great
[06:35] <stevo> yea
[06:35] <Roasted> I have a stupid question
[06:35] <Roasted> how in the world do I get the volume icon in the top panel
[06:35] <stevo> definitely much more of a community than windows
[06:35] <Roasted> I cant seem to find it
[06:36] <Roasted> top panel meaning my regular kde panel - I just moved mine to the top
[06:36] <stevo> you should log out and log back in
[06:36] <Roasted> i did
[06:36] <stevo> that usually happens when you restart x
[06:36] <Roasted> I did tho
[06:36] <Roasted> I think I deleted it on accident
[06:36] <Roasted> but Its not in the widge list to readd
[06:36] <Roasted> so Im lost
[06:37] <stevo> well... It is called Kmix
[06:37] <stevo> ...
[06:37] <stevo> so did you or did you not restart x
[06:38] <Roasted> I rebooted
[06:38] <Roasted> got it! thanks
[06:38] <Roasted> I just dragged kmix to the panel
[06:38] <stevo> k
[06:38] <stevo> any other things I can help y0u with?
[06:38] <Roasted> do you know why ALL windows default ot opening on my 2nd monitor?
[06:38] <Roasted> I want them to default to my primary
[06:39] <stevo> what video card do you use
[06:39] <Roasted> 9600 GT
[06:39] <jussi01> Roasted: usually its that they default to the currently focused screen
[06:39] <stevo> HEY SAME HERE
[06:39] <Roasted> jussi01 - thats what I thought too
[06:39] <Roasted> but ALL windows go there unless I quick click before the application launches
[06:39] <Roasted> oh wait
[06:39] <Roasted> ..........
[06:40] <stevo> .......
[06:40] <Roasted> okay that problem is solved lol
[06:40] <stevo> YAY
[06:40] <stevo> :)
[06:40] <stevo> what did you do?
[06:40] <Roasted> I just gotta make sure the window I want it to open in is the last one I clicked in
[06:40] <Roasted> I wasnt doing that
[06:41] <Roasted> properly, at least
[06:41] <stevo> do you like games?
[06:47] <jussi01> stevo: if you just want to chat, please use #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:48] <stevo> jussi01 I just wanted to reccommend some KDE games to roasted, cuz he is a kubuntu user now
[06:48] <Roasted> as if it makes a difference at this hour
[06:48] <stevo> u are a he, right
[06:48] <stevo> *_*
[06:49] <Roasted> me?
[06:49] <stevo> yes
[06:49] <Roasted> yes
[06:49] <stevo> whew
[06:49] <stevo> need any more help?
[06:49] <Roasted> naw Im aight - just settin up my samba server on kubuntu now
[06:50] <stevo> I went thru about every single error installing kubuntu
[06:50] <Roasted> stevo do you run virtualbox?
[06:51] <stevo> no
[07:12] <snarkster> where do i get the handbook for ktorrent?
[07:13] <jacquesdupontd> hey
[07:13] <snarkster> its for horses
[07:13] <jacquesdupontd> i have a question
[07:13] <snarkster> the answer is 12
[07:14] <snarkster> well whats the question
[07:14] <snarkster> just leaves us hangin there. LOL
[07:14] <snarkster> Im on the edge of my seat with anticipation
[07:14] <jacquesdupontd> i just bought an asus m60k intel core i7 4gig ddr3 and 1 terra 5400t/min and there's a second place for another hard disk do you think i could buy an ssd hard disk ?
[07:15] <snarkster> yes
[07:15] <jacquesdupontd> i think it should work cause it says its 2.5
[07:15] <jacquesdupontd> ata 2
[07:15] <snarkster> you do have a small problem tho
[07:15] <jacquesdupontd> omg the difference could be amazing
[07:16] <jacquesdupontd> i think a 64 gb should do the trick
[07:16] <snarkster> logically if you have 1 terrabyte of storage, means you need another terrabyte to backup on
[07:16] <snarkster> yes that would work wonders
[07:16] <jacquesdupontd> hehe no cause first in fact it's 2 320 that i have
[07:16] <jacquesdupontd> or 360
[07:16] <snarkster> oh so its not a terrabyte then
[07:17] <jacquesdupontd> and also it's seperated in 6 partitions so i don't need a big backup
[07:17] <snarkster> ok
[07:17] <snarkster> sounds like you have it all worked out
[07:17] <jacquesdupontd> i could only install os's on the ssd and apps and data on the already installed hard disk no ?
[07:17] <snarkster> yes
[07:17] <snarkster> but 64 gigs for booting?
[07:18] <snarkster> ssd drives have a short lifespan dont they? well shorter than manetic media
[07:18] <jacquesdupontd> and could you tell me how can big is the difference between a 5400t/min and this ssd i've seen that read at 100 mb/s and 80 to write ?
[07:18] <snarkster> sounds about right
[07:18] <snarkster> the only ssd Ive used is my dell mini.
[07:19] <jacquesdupontd> 64 gigs cause i plan to install few os's on it and also my basic apps of music creating
[07:19] <snarkster> and its slow
[07:19] <mefisto__> is amarok supposed to play audio cds in kubuntu?
[07:19] <jacquesdupontd> and maybe my prefered games
[07:19] <jacquesdupontd> ssd is a lot lot lot faster than an usual hard disk no ? could you tell me the speed of a 5400t/min ?
[07:20] <snarkster> no i cant. As I have already stated the only experience I have with SSD is my dell mini which is slow
[07:21] <jacquesdupontd> really weird i'm not the only one to read how fast it supposed to be no ?
 no clue man
[07:22] <maco> it depends on the SSD
[07:22] <jacquesdupontd> gonna show you it
[07:22] <maco> many are very fast for sequential access, which is great for benchmarking!
[07:22] <snarkster> there ya go.. someone who knows
[07:22] <maco> ....but is the same condition as normal hard disks
[07:22] <maco> not all SSDs are really fast for random access
[07:23] <jacquesdupontd> http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00090990.html
[07:23] <maco> i recall Linus making a blog post about this
[07:23] <snarkster> jacquesdupontd: that website isnt in english.. sorry
[07:24] <jacquesdupontd> is it better to buy an sdd hard disk or sd card that i would put in the slot ?
[07:24] <snarkster> does anyone know what leechers: 54 (259) means in the ()
[07:24] <jacquesdupontd> but you can see the name of the hard disk translate or see the performances
[07:24] <snarkster> i could. ;)
[07:25] <mefisto__> how do I play audiocds in amarok?
[07:25] <maco> mefisto__: in 9.04? you dont.
[07:25] <maco> in 9.10 it has tht feature
[07:25] <snarkster> mefisto__: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/FAQ&ei=X4oLS-qiMYb_nAeZ0KnTAw&sa=X&oi=nshc&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAkQzgQoAA&usg=AFQjCNHrC24cc-hrFwPPBtAGpp0kYSGJWQ
[07:26] <mefisto__> I have 9.10. how is it supposed to work?
[07:26] <snarkster> google is your friend
[07:26] <jacquesdupontd> http://translate.google.fr/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ldlc.com%2Ffiche%2FPB00090990.html&sl=fr&tl=en
[07:27] <mefisto__> snarkster: but http://amarok.kde.org/ says "Insert an Audio CD and it will show up in the Collection Browser, allowing you to play directly from the CD or to copy the CD content to your collection."
[07:27] <maco> Audio CD should just show up on the left
[07:27] <maco> right above where it says "Local Collectin"
[07:28] <snarkster> wonder if it converts to mp3 when copying to your collection??
[07:28] <mefisto__> maco: and amarok in karmic should be version 2.2.0 correct?
[07:28] <maco> yes
[07:28] <maco> im looking at it right now
[07:28] <maco> snarkster: it asks what format you want to use
[07:29] <snarkster> awesome Im chack that out
[07:29] <snarkster> check even
[07:29] <maco> you can also go Amarok -> Play Media, and choose your CD on the left side of the Open dialog
[07:29] <snarkster> jacquesdupontd: very nice
[07:30] <jacquesdupontd> really ? so i just go to buy it directly today snarkster ?
[07:31] <snarkster> im not telling you to do that.. thats a decision youll have to make on your own
[07:31] <snarkster> i just put a cd in my machine, and it even brought up the cd title, and the track names
[07:31] <mefisto__> maco: when I try from the menu, a box comes up saying "could not read ."
[07:33] <maco> mefisto__: umm is your drive or the cd bad?
[07:34] <snarkster> that is way cool...
[07:34] <mefisto__> maco: plays fine in vlc
[07:34] <maco> mefisto__: O_o thats a little odd. please file a bug
[07:34] <snarkster> encoding the entire album
[07:34] <snarkster> very sweet indeedy
[07:34] <mefisto__> maco: and nothing appears above local music either
[07:35] <snarkster> shuld appear above local collection
[07:35] <maco> it shouldve automatically appeared at the top of the left sidebar. if it didnt: bug
[07:35] <snarkster> maybe you need to mount the cd??
[07:36] <mefisto__> ok, got it to appear above local connection now, but it says 0 tracks
[07:37] <mefisto__> after restarting amarok
[07:37] <snarkster> its looking for informationm
[07:37] <snarkster> give it a sec.
[07:37] <snarkster> took mine a sec to show up as well.
[07:38] <mefisto__> does the cd mountpoint need to be added in amarok's collection settings?
[07:40] <jacquesdupontd> hey how do i mount an .iso file in kubuntu is there a native soft ?
[07:42] <snarkster> jacquesdupontd: sudo mkdir /media/iso && sudo mount -t iso9660 /isofile /media/iso
[07:42] <jacquesdupontd> was thiniking about that wanted anothe solution but thx a lot that'll do the trick
[07:42] <snarkster> mefisto__: still not working?
[07:43] <snarkster> is this a commercially made cd?
[07:43] <snarkster> or a burned cd from a friend
[07:43] <mefisto__> commercially made, still 0 tracks. tried dragging the whole CD to playlist, nothing
[07:44] <snarkster> it could still be looking for information
[07:45] <mefisto__> snarkster: so when you said it took a while, do you mean it took some time to find all the tracks and display them on the left under the CD icon?
[07:48] <snarkster> yes sir
[07:48] <snarkster> i just encoded the guess who greatest hits vol 2
[07:48] <snarkster> old cd
[07:52] <mefisto__> snarkster: aren't you glad I came in here and asked about it? :)
[07:52] <stevo> you should use k3m and rip them off of it
[07:53] <mefisto__> k3m or k3b?
[07:53] <stevo> whoops
[07:53] <stevo> k3b
[07:53] <Anubis> hi there
[07:54] <stevo> hello
[07:54] <Freyr> i have a little problem with my sound card after an updated that included the kernel
[07:54] <snarkster> well if amarok cant do it k3b should have no problem
[07:54] <stevo> did you update with the 9.10
[07:54] <Freyr> i cant hear anything on my linux box
[07:55] <snarkster> ok guys its 2am here.. I gotta hit the hay.
[07:55] <stevo> freyr, is this from a 9.10 update?
[07:55] <Freyr> stevo: yes
[07:56] <stevo> what is your sound card, lemme guess... creative?
[07:57] <Skrot-> hi, my kubuntu (9.10) was apparently installed with some encryptfs or something on $HOME. It seems to be crashing my X-session from time to time, so is there any way to disable it?
[07:57] <mefisto__> ok, some progress, but still can't figure what's wrong. I put the cd in the 2nd drive (/dev/sr1) and tracks show up and play
[07:57] <Freyr> after reboot a window appeared that asked me if i want to delete or something like that some sound devices. i answered no.
[07:58] <stevo> freyr, what brand is it
[07:58] <Freyr> stevo: no, it's not creative. it's the sound card from the motherboard
[07:58] <stevo> AC'97
[07:58] <Freyr> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[07:58] <mefisto__> Freyr: did you change any bios settings?
[07:59] <Freyr> mefisto_: no, i didnt change anything
[07:59] <stevo> Does it have a digital input or output
[08:00] <mefisto__> Freyr: I get that message when I disable audio in bios in some way. KDE detects that hardware has changed and asks if you want it to "forget" the hardware that was previously there
[08:01] <stevo> if it has digital, try to find a switch, and mute the digital
[08:01] <stevo> that is all I got
[08:01] <stevo> bye
[08:01] <sharpen047> could someone help me with wine sound? i can get sound for an intro, but not after that, only been this way since the removal of pulseaudio
[08:01] <Freyr> i didnt changed nothing in my BIOS. i just rebooted after the update
[08:07] <Freyr> well guys i rebooted and the sound is working again.
[08:07] <Freyr> still, dont know the cause
[08:09] <Haji> slt tt le monde
[08:09] <sharpen047> could someone help me with wine sound? i can get sound for an intro, but not after that, only been this way since the removal of pulseaudio
[08:11] <mefisto__> ok, problem solved if anyone's curious: /dev/cdrom was symlinked to /dev/sr1 and /dev/cdrom1 to /dev/sr0. after symlinking cdrom > sr0 and cdrom1 > sr1 everything worked
[08:12] <Haji> could someone help me.  I need a Detailed documentation of the couchdb
[08:12] <mefisto__> is that a bug I should file? and if so, what does the bug belong to? not really amarok's fault
[08:24] <jarl> Hi there. My KMail wants to open PDF attachments with acroreader, but I would like to configure kmail to use okular. Can anybody help?
[08:26] <jarl> I figured it out, it's a KDE configuration I entered system settings->file associations, and changed the setting for pdf files. Thanks anyway...
[08:30] <mefisto__> Haji: http://couchdb.apache.org/docs/index.html
[08:32] <Haji> thank you (mefisto), I have already visited this site I need to manipulate couchDB with jquery
[08:44] <umbrin> hello everyone
[08:48] <elargus> pakage manager can't connect to the internet
[08:48] <elargus> help please
[08:51] <elargus> pakage manager can't connect to the internet
[08:51] <elargus> help please
[08:54] <elargus> #kubuntu
[08:54] <volodya> hi. I have knotify4 process eating one core constantly, kubuntu 9.10. Is this a known issue?
[08:57] <sugrale> Kubuntu package manager can't connect to the internet, help please
[09:03] <mefisto__> sugrale: have you tried changing download sources?
[09:04] <sugrale> yes
[09:04] <sugrale> I can see on the terminal that it does not even resolve the name
[09:05] <mefisto__> sugrale: ping google.com ?
[09:05] <sugrale> I get this
[09:05] <sugrale> Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)
[09:05] <sugrale> I can ping
[09:06] <mefisto__> ping archive.ubuntu.com ?
[09:06] <sugrale> and get replies... At first I had to disable ipv6 which I think I did since all my apps work fine one the internet
[09:07] <sugrale> the ping to archive.ubuntu.com gives me replies
[09:09] <sharpen047> can someone help me with sound? its not letting me use amarok and wine at the same time
[09:10] <mefisto__> sugrale: have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-654052.html
[09:12] <sharpen047> can someone help me with sound? its not letting me use amarok and wine at the same time
[09:15] <sugrale> mefisto_; I did that still I can't update or install any software
[09:15] <Kendaleigha> mefisto_; I did that still I can't update or install any software
[09:18] <Azzmodan> How do I disable the screensaver in kde4? I disabled the screensaver, disabled power management's "dim screen" and still it is blanking the monitor
[09:28] <mefisto__> Azzmodan: is it a laptop? did you check the various profiles in power management? also, each profile has sections: actions, screen, cpu and system
[09:30] <Azzmodan> mefisto__, no, and I did disable them in every profile just in case
[09:31] <mefisto__> Azzmodan: maybe BIOS settings are switching monitor off? is it switching off power, or just blanking the screen and staying on?
[09:32] <Azzmodan> blanking and staying on, shouldn't be the bios or anything since I never had this issue in gnome
[09:33] <Azzmodan> I have to leave now, thanks for trying to think with me. I'll give it another shot tonight.
[09:39] <rethus> on suse i use vi on konsole... and if i press i into an open file, i get into the edit mode... that doesn't work on ubuntu.. why?
[09:40] <rethus> and if i press the cursor arrow-keys, he write a D
[10:44] <sharpen047> any devs here?
[11:27] <jwx> bug nevermind
[12:19] <sandman667> Moinmoin..
[12:21] <sandman667> ich habe ein kleines Problem mit dem 'Network Manager'.. obwohl ich eine drahtverbindung auf eine Feste IP konfiguriert habe (funktioniert auch), und der Haken bei 'Autmatisch verbinden' gesetzt ist, holt das blöde Ding sowohl beim booten wie auch beim erwachen aus Hibernate eine IP per DHCP und nennt das dann 'Auto eth0'
[12:22] <sandman667> wie krieg ich ihn dazu, das zu unterlassen?
[12:22] <sandman667> will ihn nicht ganz abschalten, da ich einen Network manager für WLAN-Sachen nutzen will..
[12:24] <rork> !de | sandman667
[12:30] <sandman667> I've got a small problem with Network Manager.. I've set up a connection using a fixed IP (works, too), 'Connect automatically' is set, but the little shit always gets an IP by dhcp (boot as well as waking up from hibernate) an calls this connection 'auto eth0'
[12:30] <sandman667> how do I get it not to do this?
[12:30] <sandman667> I don't want to switch it off, cause I want to use some kind of manager for WLAN things..
[12:34] <tzanger> hmm, k3b says it can't find any cd or cdrom devices. /dev/dvd is a link to /dev/sr0 just like it always was, and cdrecord works fine on its own. This is a 9.04 -> 9.10 upgrade... any ideas?
[12:34] <shadeslayer> any idea if there is a PPA for kde 4.4 ?
[12:44] <ghostcube> tzanger: you checked the settings for k3b inside systemsettings
[12:44] <ghostcube> ?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:41] <crayfish> Anyone used Karmic with the K3760 (Vodafone) USB modem?
[13:42] <tzanger> ghostcube: yes, it simply can't find any removable devices that look like burners
[13:42] <tzanger> the burner works great with cdrecord fromt he command line, I can use eject, read CDs/DVDs... it's weird. k3b did work fine on this machine with 9.04.
[13:43] <ghostcube> tzanger: the systemsettings part for k3b is to set the ownership of the files correct
[13:43] <ghostcube> you did this?
[13:43] <ghostcube> not the k3b settings the kde systemsettings >> k3b
[13:44] <tzanger> wtf
[13:44] <tzanger> now it's working
[13:44] <tzanger> I didn't change a thing
[13:44] <tzanger> that's *weird*
[14:10] <alessandro_> !list
[14:33] <relica> hi
[14:40] <mankirat> o.,o
[14:54] <poyntz> hi folks
[14:54] <poyntz> dragon player, no video, no sound - help please!
[14:54] <poyntz> i've installed the kubuntu restricted extras as well
[14:55] <poyntz> but it didn't do anything
[14:55] <poyntz> i've also purged it and reinstalled
[14:55] <poyntz> which also didn't do anything
[14:56] <poyntz> without and settings it makes it hard to fix the issue
[14:56] <poyntz> no way for me to select xine,gstreamer etc as a backend
[14:56] <poyntz> (if there is please let me know how to do it)
[14:57] <poyntz> I'm on KDE 4.3.2
[14:59] <wrgb> poyntz: Look in System Settings > Multimedia
[14:59] <poyntz> wrgb: sorry, i don't understand. I can launch dragon player, only when i launch it there's no video or sound
[15:00] <poyntz> also if I launch "dragon" from konsole, and select a file to play the same results (and there's no output in konsole)
[15:00] <poyntz> --makes the issue really hard to solve...
[15:02] <poyntz> when it plays the progress bar goes across the screen
[15:02] <poyntz> but nothing else happens
[15:02] <wrgb> you ca set the backend by going to K-Menu > Applications > Settings > System Settings > Multimedia
[15:02] <poyntz> and when it finishes it stuffs up the kde desktop
[15:03] <poyntz> wrgb: not on mine :/
[15:03] <poyntz> i can go KMenu > Settings, or KMenu > Multimedia
[15:04] <poyntz> oh wait
[15:04] <poyntz> scrap that
[15:04] <poyntz> i see what you mean
[15:04] <poyntz> (it's a little bit different on my kde version)
[15:05] <wrgb> poyntz: i'm on 9.10
[15:05] <gaelfx> what console command can I use to establish a wi-fi connection?
[15:06] <poyntz> wrgb: I can promise you it's different on my version, i'm on kde 4.3.2, ubuntu 9.10, using the classic kmenu
[15:06] <poyntz> wrgb: if you're using the kickoff kmenu that might explain it
[15:06] <poyntz> wrgb: anyhow, I've got two HDA Intel (Conexant Analog)s
[15:06] <poyntz> - should I delete one?
[15:07] <poyntz> (the one that doesn't work)
[15:07] <poyntz> that could be what's confusing dragon
[15:08] <poyntz> wrgb: actually, that's not backend. i'll fiddle with the backend settings, sorry
[15:08] <wrgb> poyntz: do you have pulseaudio too?
[15:08] <poyntz> wrgb: yeh
[15:08] <poyntz> wrgb: well it's on the xine backend
[15:08] <poyntz> wrgb: but xine has been working for mplayer and vlc
[15:09] <poyntz> (if this is the universal backend used by everything)
[15:09] <poyntz> wrgb: the difference is that i used mplayer and vlc before i installed kubuntu-desktop
[15:09] <poyntz> wrgb: dragon came with kubuntu-desktop, which might be the problem
[15:10] <wrgb> poyntz: yeah, it is -- what format is the video file?
[15:10] <poyntz> wrgb: as in, vlc and mplayer might be using the old backend
[15:10] <poyntz> wrgb: ogv
[15:10] <ubsafder> hello
[15:10] <poyntz> hi ubsafder
[15:10] <wrgb> poyntz: yeah, you're probably right - they're using the GDM settings
[15:11] <wrgb> poyntz: installing the Medibuntu codecs might help
[15:12] <ubsafder> trying to use wget to make a http resquest with 2 parameters i tried http://je-resous.fr/NSLU2/main-3.php?param1=1&param2=2 doesn't go thru
[15:12] <poyntz> wrgb: well changing the backend from xine to gstreamer didn't do anything :/. i'll try getting the codecs..
[15:12] <ubsafder> i mean i tried wget with that url with is my app
[15:13] <ubsafder> looks like it works if i have only one paramter but not 2 any idea ?
[15:14] <gaelfx> What command can I use to establish a wi-fi connection?
[15:15] <wrgb> ubsafder: try typing man wget in a terminal window
[15:17] <poyntz> wrgb: i think i've got them all installed already - prob why mplayer and vlc work
[15:18] <ubsafder> have been there but that doesn't explain or i too dumb for that
[15:18] <wrgb> ubsafder: sorry, then I'm not handy with wget
[15:20] <wrgb> poyntz: you might try deleting one of Intel Conexant analogs -- my config only has one Intel shown under video in multimedia settings
[15:20] <gaelfx> does anyone know a console command to connect to a wireless network?
[15:22] <poyntz> wrgb: couldnt figure out how to do that :/
[15:23] <wrgb> poyntz: then try changing the order they're used in by dragging the first one and dropping it below the second one
[15:23] <Pici> 22
[15:24] <ubsafder> anyone knows how can get a web page from the comand line looking for some like wget but different  ?
[15:29] <poyntz> wrgb: i did that
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ubsafder:  what's wrong with wget?
[15:34] <poyntz> wrgb: thanks for your help anyhow
[15:34] <poyntz> ciao folks
[15:35] <crayfish> ubsafder: +1 to "whats wrong with wget" - but if for some reason you want another tool - you could use lynx --source http://blah > file, or write a small script using LWP::UserAgent in Perl
[15:35] <wrgb> poyntz: np
[15:36] <ubsafder> crayfish: i like the perl agent thanks goin to look into it
[15:40] <alba_6_6> hello
[15:41] <signos> hi
[15:41] <alba_6_6> just testing... ubuntu karmic
[15:41] <alba_6_6> thnx
[15:41] <signos> me 2
[15:41] <alba_6_6> nice
[15:42] <alba_6_6> u like karmic so far?
[15:43] <bradpitt> love it :)
[15:49] <falktx> hm...
[15:49] <falktx> is it just me or firefox is crashing all the time?
[15:52] <forge_> probably just you... ???
[15:53] <falktx> i guess
[15:53] <falktx> it must be the firefox-kde thing
[16:04] <aicram> Hello everyone.I cannot shutdown my kubuntu properly. I choose leave it logs out but no way to shut it down. Thanks.
[16:04] <falktx> sudo poweroff
[16:04] <aicram> Thank you. I will do that.
[16:21] <kiraitachi> whats up
[16:22] <syon> hi
[16:22] <syon> does anyone else except me notice that the task bar is somewhat broken in KDE 4.3?
[16:23] <syon> I seem to have an empty entry (one that takes up space, but does not contain a window) on the very left and a window that is actually not running anymore in there, too.
[16:27] <syon> all those entries are gone after killing and restarting plasma-desktop
[16:33] <alx> hi there! after kubuntu karmic install, my pc always boots gnome... (no loginscreen where i can specify to run kde environment) when i try to konfigure gdm it tells me its not running.. what can i do?
[16:36] <Lynceus> alx: maybe you have to configure kdm...
[16:36] <Lynceus> or just log out
[16:37] <alx> how can i can i configure it from gnome?
[16:37] <alx> when i log out i get a black screen
[16:37] <alx> nothing happens
[16:39] <ghostcube> alx have you checked kdm is installed so far ?
[16:41] <Lynceus> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[16:41] <alx> ghostcube yes it is installed
[16:42] <alx> i just did that lynceus, gonna reboot now
[16:45] <alx_> gnaaah, back on gnome desktop again
[16:46] <ghostcube> sudo apt-get remove gdm ?
[16:46] <alx_> i'm trying to find out how to disable automatic login
[16:46] <ghostcube> you should be able sto do
[16:46] <alx_> ghostcube i already reinstalled gdm, same thing afterwards
[16:46] <ghostcube> sudo service gdm stop
[16:46] <ghostcube> sudo service kdm stop
[16:46] <ghostcube> sudo service kdm start
[16:46] <ghostcube> not reinstall uninstall
[16:46] <alx_> ok
[16:47] <ghostcube> hmm have i should mention not to do it in x
[16:47] <ghostcube> damn
[16:48] <Lynceus> gksudo gdmsetup
[16:48] <Lynceus> there you can disable autologin
[16:51] <jtholmes> anyone know what double layer dvd burner works well on 9.10 K3b
[16:51] <ghostcube> bbl
[16:51] <alx_> hm after i typed "sudo service kdm stop" i had a fullscreen bash, but "sudo service kdm start" had no effect.. i have kdm installed (just double checked it)
[16:53] <BluesKaj> alx_, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[16:54] <falktx> i think this issue should be fixed
[16:54] <falktx> cause lots of people have this issue
[16:54] <alx_> BluesKaj hmm... it says kdm already running
[16:54] <falktx> installing gnome stuff may cause gdm to install
[16:54] <BluesKaj> alx_, also you need to be at a tty to run those commands
[16:55] <alx_> tty?
[16:55] <falktx> sudo killall Xorg
[16:55] <falktx> sudo killall gdm
[16:55] <falktx> sudo kdm
[16:55] <alx_> ok gonna try that
[16:55] <falktx> that works for me
[16:55] <BluesKaj> alx_, then do, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop , then start
[16:56] <BluesKaj> !works for me | falktx
[16:58] <BluesKaj> anyway , time for my daily walk
[16:58] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:59] <falktx> not sure i get the point
[17:09] <alx> hm blueskaj and falktx after "killall Xorg" i got black screen and then (gnome) desktop back. after killall gdm i got back to the fullscreenbash where i could read what probably are message before boot: it said "not starting gdm bcause its not default... starting kdm.. (and some more kde services)" the terminal didnt react to any of my commands....
[17:10] <alx> is it possible that kde is already running (kde apps look like they should!) but for some reason the kde-menues and bars are replaced by gnome's?
[17:50] <krasimir> опа
[17:52] <chaitu> Greetings All. I've installed new themes from desktop settings --> new themes. However, I'm unable to apply the themes as I don't see them in the drop down menu. Can someone help me please? Thanks
[17:53] <ForgeAus> lol I don't believe I was just about to tell you to get your uxtheme.dll patched! rofl - windows solution ... different problem
[17:53] <chaitu> ;)
[17:54] <bloody> maybe you downloaded it for the wrong kde version oô dunno if 3 themes are compatible with 4 and vice versa
[17:54] <chaitu> well if I see them in the drop down menu, dont you  think the should be compatible?
[17:55] <bloody> mhm, sounded like you can't apply AND can't see them in the drop down
[17:56] <chaitu> no, am talking about drop down menu of the list of themes I can download...
[17:56] <chaitu> once I click on new themes it gives me a list from kde.org and am trying to install them by clicking on install button next to them...
[17:56] <chaitu> once Installed I dont see them in the drop down menu of themes of my system...
[17:58] <ForgeAus> chaitu ask in #kde they may be able to help you with this
[17:58] <chaitu> Thanks ForgeAus :)
[17:58] <ixoyc_> hello
[17:58] <ForgeAus> persoanlly I don't really know and your right, if the theme isn't compatible it hsouldn't be in the downloaded list...
[17:58] <ForgeAus> (I don't think KDE3 themes go in there anyway)
[17:59] <chaitu> will try there ForgeAus. Thanks for your time bloody and ForgeAus
[17:59] <KyranBe> hey
[18:00] <supacat^_^> People plz help. Effects in Kubuntu are not appear after reset. Writing that can not use Cube effect. ATI Radeon X1100 (X200m) video card
[18:00] <KyranBe> I compiled amarok2.2.1 with libmtp1.0.1 this weekend, because it supports more devices than libmtp0.3.7 (which comes with karmic)
[18:01] <KyranBe> I'd like to share this package, so that other people who have a device that's not well supported in the old lib can use it too
[18:01] <KyranBe> but I have no idea how I should actually do this
[18:04] <KyranBe> does anybody have any pointers for me?
[18:04]  * ForgeAus tosses KyranBe an address to a variable
[18:08] <KyranBe> ForgeAus I'm more a java guy ;)
[18:09] <ForgeAus> (lol ... couldn't help myself)
[18:12] <KyranBe> well, I could just as well drop the deb files on a blog somewhere
[18:12] <KyranBe> but it's not really elegant
[18:13] <ForgeAus> I think there's a channel something like #ubuntu-dev ???
[18:13] <BluesKaj> elegance is not necessary if you just need something to work :)
[18:14] <ForgeAus> Kyran either that or just wait, if theres a newer version it probably just needs to be absorbed into the distro repos...
[18:14] <KyranBe> well, it works for me, but I'd like to share it
[18:14] <KyranBe> I did some research and apparently because libmtp is in main, there's not a chance it's going to be updated before lucid
[18:15] <KyranBe> there's a ppa with the new libmtp version
[18:15] <BluesKaj> lucid alpha will be out in 2 1/2 wks
[18:15] <KyranBe> so I used that
[18:15] <ForgeAus> sounds like thats your answer then
[18:15] <KyranBe> but the apps need to be recompiled in order to use it (no other modification necessary)
[18:15] <KyranBe> so I did that for myself too
[18:15] <KyranBe> now I'd just like to share that
[18:15] <KyranBe> basically
[18:16]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[18:16] <BluesKaj> still think "lucid lunatic" is a better handle than the lame "lucid lynx"
[18:17] <KyranBe> lol
[18:17] <ForgeAus> lynx is what they chose?
[18:17] <bloody> mhm, when i have installed a program over the packet manager, like gimp, and then download and compile the source code how can i start my compiled version?
[18:17] <ForgeAus> what is this OSX?
[18:17] <KyranBe> you could argue that a lunatic is some sort of anymal
[18:17] <KyranBe> animal
[18:17] <KyranBe> by doing dpkg -i gimp.deb (or whatever it's called)
[18:17] <KyranBe> that will overwrite the packet manager install
[18:17] <ForgeAus> Macux OSXbuntu - Lucid Lynx lol
[18:18] <BluesKaj> KyranBe, lets not get too analytical. /..lunatic just sounds  better :)
[18:18] <KyranBe> blueskaj it sure does :)
[18:18] <ForgeAus> a lucid lunatic sounds... dangerous
[18:18] <KyranBe> might not be perfect for a stable release
[18:19] <KyranBe> though it sounds perfect for the alpha and beta versions ;)
[18:19] <BluesKaj> I sent a suggestion to Mark Shuttleworth in ubuntu-classroom but he wasn't impressed
[18:20] <BluesKaj> no imagination or daring :)
[18:21] <ForgeAus> Kyran, wouldn't an update like that be a backport to Karmic eventually anyway?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> the OT cops will be here soon
[18:21] <KyranBe> ForgeAus I don't know actually
[18:21] <KyranBe> I have very little knowledge on how ubuntu decides to do it's updates
[18:22] <BluesKaj> i guess one can make suggestions in launcxhpad or #kubuntu-devel
[18:23] <ubuntu> hello
[18:23] <KyranBe> I'll check that out
[18:24] <KyranBe> It's a very simple and save fix (I mean if I can do it, ...)
[18:26] <KyranBe> anyway pizza's ready, thanks for the help guys
[18:26] <ForgeAus> KyranBe as simple as it may be the update cycle mystifies me sometimes ...
[18:27] <bloody> mhm, didnt really work, i uninstalled it over KPackageKit (from where i got it) and make installed my source again but it wasn't startable, it said unknown command
[18:29] <SiVA_> how do I make it so new files created within a directory inherit the permissions of the parent directory?
[18:38] <Shaxor> Hay there people, Okay heres the question, How do I get Compiz to run right with out it fighting with Kwin. When I try to set Compiz as my default Windows Manager It seems to clash with Kwin  even tho I have KWin turned off It still trys to run, What am I doing Wrong?
[18:40] <Guest89074> hi
[18:40] <Shaxor> Hay there people, Okay heres the question, How do I get Compiz to run right with out it fighting with Kwin. When I try to set Compiz as my default Windows Manager It seems to clash with Kwin  even tho I have KWin turned off It still trys to run, What am I doing Wrong?
[18:42] <Guest89074> I dont know about that shax, total nub here :)
[18:42] <Guest89074> i see lots of people, no talkers!
[18:42] <BluesKaj> Shaxor, how are you setting compiz as default?
[18:42] <Shaxor> ><
[18:43] <Shaxor> I go in to Default Applications and change the window Manager to Compiz
[18:45] <shawnzer> whats a good irc program to use, user friendly?
[18:45] <Shaxor> Then after swiching it, It tells me I have to reboot, So I do, after rebooting, Thats when Kwin turns back on And seems to fight with Compiz
[18:47] <maniko> hello, how can I set sound to work fine. I have SB live 5.1 but not work. Only 2.ch. stereo. Im new on UBUNTU. Tnx. from Serbia
[18:52] <AlexZion> Hi everyone, I have Installed QT Creator on my Kubuntu Karmic system , but I can't even compile the example files exit with code 5 , someone can help me ?
[19:02] <jimmy51_> hello all.  i've got a 9.10 fresh install and really like the unified notification thing in the task bar.  it looks like an envelope that lights up with something has a notification.  on my home systems, i did an upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 and don't see the envolope.  why not?
[19:05] <jimmy51_> is that just a widget?
[19:18] <Trudell> hi all
[19:18] <Trudell> I'm here again :-P
[19:19] <doleyb> Is there a simple way to disable KDE/powerdevil from controlling the power management / cpu speed ?
[19:19] <Trudell> powerdevil?? lol
[19:20] <diakhal> where can i have a chart in french please!!!!
[19:21] <Trudell> doleyb --> system services then powerdnow
[19:21] <Trudell> sorry, powernowd
[19:22] <doleyb> Trudell: and that will turn off the normal kde power control?
[19:23] <Trudell> yes, but have you certain that decision?
[19:23] <doleyb> Trudell: I see PowerDevil in KDE Services Configuration, not powernowd.
[19:24] <Trudell> really??? i thought was a joke
[19:24] <doleyb> Trudell: Well the reason I wanted to turn off PowerDevil was to make sure it wasn't interfering with powernowd... because I'm trying to get cpu frequency scaling to function.
[19:24] <doleyb> Trudell: It used to function before karmic, but now won't do anything, and I'm stuck at 800mhz instead of 1800mhz.
[19:24] <Trudell> are you using notebook?
[19:25] <doleyb> Trudell: yes, amd64 acer laptop.
[19:25] <Trudell> oh, now i understood
[19:25] <Trudell> just a moment, i will find a solution to you
[19:26] <Trudell> do you want to manage cpu trought the powermanagemente, isnt?
[19:26] <BluesKaj> doleyb, you can do, sudo apt-get remove powernowd
[19:27] <BluesKaj> or tunoff the powerdevil in system settings/advanced/services
[19:27] <doleyb> BluesKaj: powernowd and powerdevil are different things.
[19:28] <Trudell> better blueskaj alternative
[19:28] <doleyb> Trudell: I would prefer power management via the KDE settings, like used to work in 9.04.  But I'd settle for anything that lets me get the speed above 800 mhz.  Here's a paste showing my problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/326302/
[19:28] <Trudell> or uninstall powerdevil and install powernowd
[19:29] <BluesKaj> doleyb, they do the same thing as far as the cpu is concerned
[19:29] <Trudell> above 800?
[19:29] <Trudell> are you sure that you want it?
[19:29] <doleyb> Trudell: This cpu does 800, 1600, or 1800 mhz, and I'd like to get above 800.  In 9.04 that would happen automatically, but now I haven't been able to make it do that.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> doleyb,, then install cpufrequtils
[19:30] <doleyb> BluesKaj: I have cpufrequtils, what next?
[19:31] <BluesKaj> doleyb, sudo /usr/bin/cpufreq-set -g performance
[19:32] <doleyb> BluesKaj: Ok, I can set the governor to performance, but that doesn't help.  The max speed is still 800.
[19:33] <BluesKaj> doleyb, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz ..it might be misreading the speed
[19:34] <doleyb> cpu MHz         : 800.000
[19:35] <BluesKaj> doleyb, hmm i wonder if a reboot might be in order
[19:35] <doleyb> Ok, I'll try rebooting and come back.. it's an unhappy day when linux problems need a reboot though...
[19:36] <Trudell> lmao
[19:36] <Trudell> blkueskaj, have you ever any doubt about kubuntu s**ts?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> well, the kernel module could be the culprit so a reboot is sometimes the only way
[19:37] <Trudell> we need turn better kubuntu distro
[19:37] <Trudell> kubuntu can't folling down
[19:38] <Trudell> fall
[19:38] <BluesKaj> Trudell, it's still the best linux distrom in my experience , if you want then go install something else but we don't ditro trolls in here
[19:38] <Trudell> i'm not troilling
[19:39] <BluesKaj> you tried to pull this crap before , don't start again
[19:39] <Trudell> i'm just express my opinion
[19:39] <Trudell> my user opinion
[19:39] <BluesKaj> it's not needed , we ppl to help not nbe critical
[19:39] <BluesKaj> need
[19:39] <Trudell> kaj, let me say onething
[19:40] <Trudell> kubuntu needs reformulation
[19:40] <Trudell> to be better
[19:40] <BluesKaj> time to go the mail ,bbin 10 mins
[19:40] <Trudell> kubuntu is better distro then ubuntu, in my opinion
[19:41] <Trudell> and must be the best distro of all linux distro
[19:41] <Trudell> kubuntu untill is the most easy distro to manage
[19:42] <Trudell> dont you agree my opinion?
[19:42] <Trudell> well, some problems need to be repared
[19:42] <Trudell> well, some problems needs rapairs
[19:43] <Trudell> well, doleyb... sucessfull?
[19:43] <doleyb> Trudell: oh i'll go look and see, need to compile something maybe
[19:43] <Trudell> lmao
[19:43] <Trudell> lmao?
[19:44] <Trudell> do you see it blueskaj?
[19:45] <doleyb> Trudell: now I'm having a different kind of problem, konsole freezing up (which I've seen before a bit, only after getting karmic)
[19:46] <doleyb> So that's delaying seeing the speed.
[19:48] <gabrielgomez> hello
[19:48] <doleyb> Can't even type in a terminal... konsole, rxvt, gnome-terminal all don't respond.  irc and firefox is ok.. oh this is so bad.
[19:48] <Trudell> do you see it bluekaj?
[19:48] <Trudell> karmic kernel s**ts
[19:48] <jimmy51_> is there a UI based way to enable remote desktop access in 9.10?
[19:49] <doleyb> karmic kernel whats?!  What does that mean?
[19:49] <Trudell> doleyb,downgrade to jaunty until this problem be solved
[19:50] <doleyb> Trudell: ok, i've been thinking of doing that.  But the documents say "downgrading is officially not supported", so I'm a little scared.
[19:50] <Trudell> i think that could be a better solution for this moment
[19:50] <Trudell> well, force it
[19:50] <doleyb> Trudell: or more accurately, I am lazy and downgrading looks like it'll be effort.
[19:50] <Trudell> well 800mHz is good
[19:51] <BluesKaj> Trudell, telling ppl to downgrade isn't a solution to problems
[19:51] <Trudell> above then 800 MHz is so poor
[19:51] <Trudell> well blueskaj, karmic kernel have a lot of bugs
[19:51] <Trudell> what are your solution for this
[19:52] <^kenhoob-it1> hello
[19:52] <Trudell> i cant see a other solution
[19:52] <^kenhoob-it1> how add ratings to kde downloaded wallpapers?
[19:52] <BluesKaj> doleyb, which cpu ?
[19:52] <Trudell> to me it was necessary
[19:52] <Trudell> amd64
[19:52] <doleyb> BluesKaj: i have amd64 athlon2, dual core.
[19:52] <Trudell> its a good cpou
[19:53] <Trudell> amd64 dual is better than pentium 4 dual
[19:53] <BluesKaj> 64bit?
[19:53] <BluesKaj> ok, did you install kubuntu amd64 /
[19:53] <doleyb> BluesKaj: yes this is 64 distrib and cpu.
[19:54] <doleyb> BluesKaj: Yes this is the 64 bit distrib.
[19:54] <Trudell> doleyb, thi to install debian sid kernel
[19:55] <Trudell> doleyb, try to install debian sid kernel
[19:56] <doleyb> Trudell: you mean grab a deb file from debian's unstable and force installing it here?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> strange because , I have an older model amd64 and I'm running amd64 kubuntu no cpu stepping probs . I wonder about the kernel module for your cpu ..it seems to be the wrong one
[19:57] <doleyb> BluesKaj: What module do you use?  It looks like mine is powernow-k8
[19:57] <BluesKaj> doleyb, let me check
[19:58] <Trudell> mine is generic powernowd
[19:58] <Trudell> well, if not sid, use lenny
[19:59] <doleyb> You think the kernel module package is pretty interchangable?
[19:59] <Trudell> in topic i was oriented to downgrade my karmic kernel
[19:59] <Trudell> so use lenny
[19:59] <Trudell> debian and ubuntu are compatibles
[20:00] <doleyb> Btw, a few years ago I used sid as a desktop distro, but that was when I had more time to keep aware of whether packages were broken before upgrading... kubuntu was the choice to avoid that effort.
[20:00] <Trudell> the debian's kernel runs better
[20:01] <doleyb> Do you know if there are ubuntu bug reports relating to kernel that are known problems?
[20:01] <Trudell> well, use only kernel from debian
[20:01] <Trudell> you can do manual instalation
[20:02] <Trudell> module-assistant runs in debian
[20:02] <Trudell> sure
[20:02] <Trudell> karmic have a lot of problems
[20:04] <doleyb> Is there a web page which talks about these problems, a forum thing or bug-query thing? wiki maybe?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> doleyb, I forgot, removed powernowd
[20:05] <BluesKaj> powerdevil is the replacement , I think
[20:06] <doleyb> BluesKaj: Sure I'll try that, but these other problems are rather bigger.  Lacking a command line is a huge obstacle..
[20:07] <BluesKaj> no terminal ?
[20:07] <Trudell> blueskaj what problem in use daemon not devil?
[20:08] <Trudell> why devil?
[20:09] <Trudell> daemons is a name more beauty than devil
[20:09] <noaXess1> hu
[20:09] <Trudell> devil remember satan
[20:10]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[20:10] <doleyb> BluesKaj: After rebooting I cannot type in konsole, gnome-terminal, rxvt, or control-f1
[20:12] <BluesKaj> doleyb, ctrl+alt+f1 for the cli, ctrl+alt+f7 to relaunch the desktop
[20:12] <doleyb> BluesKaj: those keystrokes have no effect.
[20:13] <BluesKaj> don't use the+
[20:14] <doleyb> uh huh.
[20:15] <doleyb> So if control-alt-f1 doesn't work, things are pretty thoroughly wrecked?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> ok, doleyb there is one thing you can do try this : http://pastebin.ca/1685906
[20:16] <BluesKaj> you probly need to do a reinstall
[20:17] <noaXess> !webcam
[20:17] <doleyb> yep I guess I will reinstall!  great fun... bye guys!
[20:18] <Trudell> doleyb, have you enter in level 1 without kdm or gdm?
[20:19] <Trudell> have you trouble to acess terminal?
[20:21] <doleyb> Trudell: presently I cannot get to console, or type in konsole, xterm, gnome-terminal, etc.
[20:21] <noaXess> is there a kde tool to mount my second sata hd instead of do that manually over /etc/fstab?
[20:23] <Trudell> are you using ext3?
[20:26] <Trudell> have anyone a solution to install nvidia 96 driver in karmic?
[20:27] <bodom> noaXess: when you connect it, it should be noticed on recently connected defices, in the trasy bar, bottom-right, near the clock
[20:27] <BluesKaj> noaXess, can you see it in dolphin as a volume in places?
[20:27] <Trudell> debian have a more stables kernel
[20:28] <Trudell> and more options too
[20:28] <noaXess> itŝ a internal sata hd on /dev/sdb, have created a ext4 part and formatet it with mkfs.ext4..
[20:28] <Trudell> have anyone a solution to install nvidia 96 driver in karmic?
[20:28] <noaXess> can see it in dolphin as volume (ext4)
[20:28] <noaXess> now i want automount it on boot, cause i want place all my data on it.
[20:29] <Trudell> have anyone a solution to install nvidia 96 driver in karmic?
[20:31] <Trudell> blueskaj https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/391768
[20:32] <BluesKaj> yeah Trudell , http://www.pastebin.ca/1685928
[20:32] <Trudell> Does anyone knows if 78 driver runs with a GeForce 2 MX in Karmic?
[20:33] <Trudell> Kaj, do you know if 78 runs with GF2MX in Karmic?
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Trudell, type i synaptic to see if it's listed GeForce 2 MX
[20:35] <Trudell> alright kaj
[20:36] <Trudell> kaj, no results
[20:37] <BluesKaj> not listed ?
[20:38] <anoneemouse> hi. im trying to load a php site on lamp but whenever i go to the php url it just downloads the file. running the command to enable php gives me the following message: "Module php5 already enabled"
[20:38] <anoneemouse> i used tasksel to install lamp
[20:38] <Trudell> yeah, 96 and 71 runs with GeForce 2 MX
[20:38] <noaXess> ups.. had no conection
[20:39] <Trudell> but only for 2.6.24 kernels
[20:39] <noaXess> so.. my /dev/sdb1 ext4 partition i can see in dolphin..
[20:39] <noaXess> can click on it, but not write on it.. i want it automatically mount on system start, cause i want place my dataŝ on it..
[20:40] <noaXess> have a notebook with two 500gb hd's :)
[20:40] <BluesKaj> Trudell, did you stop kdm /X , can't install a driver without removing the existing one
[20:41] <hyperboreean> hey guys, I just got a new laptop and installed karmic koala on it and it doesn't show my wifi card
[20:41] <hyperboreean> which is a thinkpad wifi bgn
[20:41] <instigate> have problem updating system doest starts but doesn't finish because of error
[20:41] <hyperboreean> any ideas where I can look for some help?
[20:41] <instigate> where can i send this error information
[20:42] <noaXess> hyperboreean: made all upgrades and run the ap "Hardware Drivers" in kicker?
[20:42] <hyperboreean> noaXess: well I don't have any internet access without the wifi card
[20:42] <hyperboreean> so it's just what the cd installed
[20:42] <Trudell> blueskaj, is jaunty stable?
[20:42] <noaXess> hyperboreean: now lan access
[20:42] <noaXess> cable
[20:42] <hyperboreean> noaXess: I will try the Hardware drivers
[20:43] <hyperboreean> noaXess: no :(
[20:43] <BluesKaj> noaXess, http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Add_a_new_hard_drive
[20:43] <noaXess> notebook without lan port or no router with lan
[20:43] <Trudell> i havent nvidia driver installed
[20:43] <BluesKaj> Trudell, karmic i more stable than jaunty
[20:43] <teodoro> hi, i am new in Kubuntu: there is an kde application to record the desktop?
[20:43] <Trudell> but karmic dont run nvidia
[20:44] <noaXess> BluesKaj: so, with /etc/fstab.. ok.. thought that there is a simple kde tool :)
[20:44] <BluesKaj> Trudell, i have nvidia geforce 7600gt , it runs fine
[20:44] <Trudell> i always stop kdm by service kdm stop as descripted in topics
[20:45] <hyperboreean> noaXess: assuming I can get internet access what should I do next?
[20:45] <Trudell> and install, but kde apears with a distorted images
[20:45] <BluesKaj> noaXess, sorry I don't know of any simple tools :)
[20:45] <noaXess> hyperboreean: open konsole and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:45] <Trudell> so why in my system kde run with a distorted images?
[20:46] <noaXess> hyperboreean: after a restart eventuall sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:46] <BluesKaj> noaXess, that command is depracated now
[20:46] <noaXess> dist-upgrade?
[20:46] <Trudell> Is your 7600gt AGP or PCIe?
[20:47] <noaXess> today, i installed two new notebooks with karmic.. and on both are linux kernels that are hold back..
[20:47] <maco> thats fine
[20:47] <noaXess> BluesKaj: so i have done a dist-upgrade and voilà
[20:47] <maco> it just means the rest of the new kernel's dependencies havent finished being built and published to the repos
[20:47] <BluesKaj> hyperboreean, in terminal sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:47] <maco> theyll probably become available in a few hours or so
[20:48] <Trudell> blueskaj, Is your 7600gt AGP or PCIe?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> noaXess, do-release-upgrade has replaced dist-upgrade
[20:49] <noaXess> BluesKaj: aha.. ok..
[20:49] <BluesKaj>  Trudell,  pcix
[20:49] <noaXess> i have now this in /etc/fstab: /dev/sdb1       /home/thomi/Daten       ext4    defaults,errors=remount-rw      0       1
[20:50] <noaXess> and it won't mount with sudo mount -a i get: EXT4-fs (sdb1): Unrecognized mount option "errors=remount-rw" or missing value
[20:51] <BluesKaj> noaXess, it should automount at bootup , no need to use a command
[20:51] <noaXess> BluesKaj: yes but to test.. without boot... it should also moutn or not?
[20:52] <BluesKaj> noaXess, , sorry not sure
[20:52] <noaXess> BluesKaj: is is ext4 or ext4-dev?
[20:52] <BluesKaj> ext4
[20:53] <noaXess> ok
[20:53] <BluesKaj> dev is sdX
[20:53] <noaXess> /dev/sdb1
[20:53] <BluesKaj> ok
[20:55] <noaXess> BluesKaj: if i do a sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /home/thomi/Daten it works.. so the options in fstab are wrong/not correct..
[20:56] <BluesKaj> noaXess, ok thanks , I'l delete that page from help boofmarks
[20:56] <BluesKaj> bookmark
[20:57] <BluesKaj> noaXess, it's not the first tutorial that worked for me but not others...my 2nd hdd died and I haven't replaced it yet
[21:01] <Trudell> BLuesKaj: Does necessary to update kernel after install?
[21:02] <Trudell> not?
[21:02] <BluesKaj> Trudell, depends how old the version is... just do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:03] <Trudell> alright, thx
[21:06] <Trudell> Blues
[21:07] <Trudell> BluesKaj: no way dude. Distorted images in KDE.
[21:07] <Trudell> and KDE crashes
[21:09] <Trudell> BluesKaj: Well, maybe the way is change the kernel
[21:10] <Trudell> BluesKaj: some ideia?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> which kernel are you on?
[21:10] <BluesKaj> uname -a
[21:12] <Trudell> i'm using linux-image-2.6.31-generic
[21:12] <Trudell> BluesKaj: i'm using linux-image-2.6.31-generic
[21:14] <BluesKaj> Trudell,  dunno how to help unless your monitor isn't gvetting the right module
[21:21] <Trudell> it's not my monitor, is images
[21:21] <Trudell> nvida driver cant display correct images in KDE desktop
[21:23] <aspinto> alguém pode me ajudar ?
[21:24] <BluesKaj> !es | aspinto
[21:25] <aspinto> can you help me ?
[21:26] <BluesKaj> !ask | aspinto
[21:29] <BluesKaj> !bug | Trudell
[21:30] <BluesKaj> aspinto, ?
[21:30] <aspinto> im using ubuntu 9.10. The OS not install my webcam
[21:30] <aspinto> Im new user in linux
[21:31] <jimmy51_> !rdpp
[21:31] <jimmy51_> !rdp
[21:32] <aspinto> i dont know how identify the webcam and the drivers
[21:34] <noaXess> BluesKaj: have now mounted my sdb1 over fstab.. but can't write on it as normal user.. need i change the perms manually
[21:34] <kernco> I just installed 9.10.  When I try to log in, I get a black and white error box that says "Xsession: unsupported number of arguments (2); falling back to default session." and then I'm back to the kdm login.
[21:35] <BluesKaj> aspinto, you don't know what model webcam ?
[21:35] <aspinto> im using a notebook and it is built in
[21:36] <noaXess> aspinto: lsusb in konsole
[21:36] <aspinto> ok wait a minute
[21:37] <Trudell> ubottu: alright, i need report the bug, right?
[21:38] <Trudell> hehehe ubottu is a bot
[21:38] <kernco> Did it pass your turing test?
[21:40] <aspinto> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0c45:624f Microdia PC Camera (SN9C201 + OV9650)
[21:40] <maco> Trudell: ban evading, eh?
[21:40] <noaXess> aspinto: now.. lsmod | grep video
[21:42] <aspinto> lsmod
[21:45] <noaXess> aspinto: in konsole... lsmod
[21:45] <noaXess> lsmod | grep video
[21:45] <aspinto> i can see very lines
[21:46] <aspinto> what is important ?
[21:46] <noaXess> aspinto: pastebin it.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:48] <bloody> hello, I'm trying to unpack a lzm file in Kubuntu 9.10 and I don't have an idea how I do that, would anyone be so kind to help me?
[21:49] <bloody> I already tried it with unsquashfs -f *.lzm but it only says something about a missing SUPER block
[21:50] <aspinto> i make this and now ?
[21:50] <tsimpson> bloody: try "lzma -d file.lzma"
[21:52] <noaXess> aspinto: paste the output of lsmod
[21:52] <rbugman> hey all, how do I modify menu items?? ie.. tvtime --device=/dev/video1
[21:52] <noaXess> ... grrr
[21:52] <bloody> that says unknown suffix tsimpson : (
[21:52] <noaXess> lsmod | grep video to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and post the link here
[21:53] <bloody> since 2 ways are failing could it be that the file is broken?
[21:53] <tsimpson> bloody: just rename it to have a ".lzma" extension, or try with "lzma -d -S .lzm file.lzm"
[21:54] <aspinto> aspinto@notebook:~$ lsmod|grep video
[21:54] <aspinto> videodev               36736  1 gspca_main
[21:54] <aspinto> v4l1_compat            14496  1 videodev
[21:54] <aspinto> video                  19380  1 i915
[21:54] <aspinto> output                  2780  1 video
[21:54] <FloodBotK3> aspinto: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:54] <aspinto> aspinto@notebook:~$
[21:54] <BluesKaj> bloody, install unp , it's the best uncompress/unpack app
[21:56] <aspinto> im sorry
[21:56] <aspinto> im learning irc too.
[21:57] <BluesKaj> that doesn't tell us which is the camera
[21:57] <BluesKaj> aspinto, ls -R /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel
[21:58] <BluesKaj> that should name the camera module
[21:59] <noaXess> aspinto: have you tried cheese to see if your cam works? just install cheese over kpackagekit
[21:59] <BluesKaj> noaXess,, don't use the word 'over" it confuses
[21:59] <noaXess> BluesKaj: have no mounted my /dev/sdb1 to /home/user/daten... and changed perms on it, so i can write.. now, i see the lost+found folder in /home/user/data.. can i hide it o
[22:00] <noaXess> ok.. with kpackagekit..
[22:00] <BluesKaj> noaXess, dunno, does it matter?
[22:00] <noaXess> hm...
[22:01] <SpaceCow56> Hello, I'm using the KDE desktop environment in my ubuntu install, and I have been wondering why I've been unable to configure desktop effects in "System Settings --> Desktop Effects." The only place I can alter them is in the "CompizConfig Settings Manager."
[22:02] <Scunizi> I have 2 vm's of kubuntu on different machines.. one has icons in the Desktop Folder for /home and Trash.. the other doesn't.. how do I get them there?
[22:03] <BluesKaj> well, time to go ..other stuff to do
[22:05] <bloody> ok i tried both, unp which failed for me, i tried to find out what to feed it with via --h but i didnt found it out, then i renamed it and unpacked the lzma and the file that came out was empty, the lzma not.
[22:10] <aspinto> cheese is a video software ?
[22:11] <tsimpson> !info cheese
[22:17] <Erthe> Anyone know if there's a package for KDE help system?
[22:17] <aspinto> can install with Synaptic ?
[22:17] <Erthe> Some of the apps (at the moment Konversation) doesn't have installed help files
[22:18] <Erthe> Well I searched Google for a package name (which I always do first) because synaptic search is about as useful
[22:30] <marcao> instalar cam
[22:32] <dbc254> when I open kmail, and there's a url, konqueror opens something in /var/???? instead of the actual url. What's wrong?
[22:33] <subito> hi, how can i launch firefox so that the flash app games 'interprets' my keyboard as a qwerty one? i'm on kubuntu 9.10
[22:33] <dbc254> /var/tmp/kdecache-dbc254/krun/1866.0.n is what konqueror attempts to open instead of just the url
[22:52] <hyperboreean> hey,so I have the latest updates ... and my wifi card is still down
[22:52] <dbc254> anybody alive in here?
[22:57] <hyperboreean> noaXess: help once again, I have all the updates and still doesn't see my wifi card
[22:58] <aspinto> how i installkpackageKit-0.5.2 ?
[22:58] <jtholmes> kubuntu 9.10 does not see dvd when inserted into DVD drive any pointers
[23:00] <trudeII> hello here
[23:00] <jtholmes> aspinto, apt-get install kpacakgekit  should do it
[23:00] <aspinto> ok. i will try now
[23:02] <Roasted> hey guys - question - when I apply themes, it only applies to the panel. I want the theme to take over EVERYTHING like it does in gnome. How can I do that?
[23:13] <aspinto> it said that is impossible to found the package
[23:14] <aspinto> the folder is correct
[23:14] <trudeII> I'm evading with new dodge dakota, the experience in drivin!
[23:15] <giz> aspinto: do sudo apt-cache search kpackagekit
[23:16] <Scunizi> How do you get Quassel to rememer to turn off Joins Parts & quits?  it's such a pain to recheck them for all the channels I load..
[23:18] <giz> aspinto: the package is there  now    sudo apt-get install kpackagekit
[23:19] <jtholmes> aspinto, sudo apt-get install kpackagekit
[23:22] <aspinto> nothing change
[23:23] <ViaNocturn85> hello, i have a dvb which connects on /dev/video0, it is detected on MythTV but not on Kaffeine, anyone know how to change this?
[23:26] <jtholmes> aspinto, apt-get update  then  apt-get install ....
[23:29] <aspinto> dont work
[23:32] <aspinto> exit
[23:32] <aspinto> i have to go. thank you.
[23:35] <glen__> Hi, can someone please tell me a command that finds files recursivly that does not have file extentions jpg, JPG, png, PNG? thanks
[23:40] <jak> would somone mind telling me where I can find the software center (if there is one?) on KDE? =]
[23:41] <jtholmes> glen__,  find . -print | egrep -v '{png|jpg|JPG|PNG} should do it
[23:44] <glen__> jtholmes: cheers
[23:48] <jtholmes> sony dru-510a doesnt see blank media  lshw see correct cdrom writer any ideas
[23:48] <jtholmes> karmic 9.10 kubuntu