=== yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:31] hi. [01:31] i was wondering how i would best go about requesting a change in dev trees for onscripter? [01:33] LLStarks: does it not appear in Debian testing's/unstable's 0.0.20091011-1 source package? [01:33] it is. [01:33] meaning "it" does appear in that source package? [01:33] but onscripter should be dumped in favor of mion's onscripter-en [01:34] has this proposal been discussed in Debian? [01:43] no. [01:43] how do i request a new package? [01:44] LLStarks, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages [01:44] for debian [01:45] quassel needs a much more violently strobing systray icon [01:45] but I fear I might be alone in this opinion [01:47] konversation's has a nice violent red blink. [01:50] LLStarks: this should get you started: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ === YDdraigGoch is now known as Richie [02:33] will someone mentor me? I tried emailing the mentor-mailing list but I haven't gotten a response in over a week [02:34] Buuntu, you might wanna ping nxvl or huats... prolly nobody answered because of the UDS [02:35] but you can start reading the packaging guide... don't get discouraged... sometimes it is hard to provide mentors to all of those people who want one [02:35] RoAkSoAx, UDS? it doesn't seem like they're online [02:35] RoAkSoAx, I've read through it [02:35] Buuntu, yes last week was the UDs [02:35] RoAkSoAx, found it really confusing though so I wanted to get a mentor - just to get started mostly [02:35] ubuntu development summit? [02:41] developers/development, but you have the basic idea [02:43] Buuntu, I started by myself then got a mentor :). Just start reading, if you read it is gonna help u get started when you get your mentor [02:43] heya ScottK how's it going [02:44] RoAkSoAx, ehh, how can I contact nxvl or huats since they aren't online atm, just catch them at a later time or what? [02:44] RoAkSoAx: OK. Still tired from UDS. [02:45] Buuntu, just try to find them online [02:45] ScottK, yeah same here... but now i have so much stuff to do i can't rest :( [02:49] nxvl, hey [02:49] hi... [02:50] nxvl, RoAkSoAx said I should ping you because I'm interested in a mentor ^^ [02:50] oh [02:50] yeah [02:50] nxvl, I already tried emailing the mailing list but I didn't get a reply [02:50] send an e-mail to.... [02:50] mmm, let me find the link [02:50] let me find your e-mail [02:54] Buuntu: what's you real name? [02:55] nxvl_, Gabriel Abud [02:56] Buuntu: i don't see your e-mail inthere [02:56] nxvl_, ubuntu-motu-mentors@something.com right? [02:56] Buuntu: motu-mentoring-reception@reponses.net [02:56] * Buuntu doesn't remember exactly [02:57] nxvl_, oh, I sent it to the wrong one then [02:57] nxvl_, I used ubuntu-motu-mentors@lists.ubuntu.com, do you want me to resend it to the correct adress? [02:59] Buuntu: let me check [02:59] Buuntu: i don't see it there either [03:00] nxvl_, lol, I'll resend it, which email should I send it to? [03:02] Buuntu: motu-mentoring-reception@reponses.net [03:02] nxvl_, sent [03:09] nxvl_, well? [03:11] Buuntu: my e-mail is slow [03:11] :D === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl [03:22] nxvl, ? [03:24] Buuntu: still don't see it [03:24] nxvl, T_T [03:25] nxvl, lol can I just copy and paste it to you? I don't know why you're not getting it... [03:32] Buuntu: so, you have no experience and you don't know anything about packaging or ubuntu? [03:33] nxvl, oh no, I know stuff about ubuntu [03:33] Buuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide [03:33] nxvl, not about packaging though [03:33] nxvl, yeah I read through some of that [03:33] Buuntu: read that, start in that package [03:33] ugh [03:34] start packaging and playing with it [03:34] nxvl, got kind of confused though [03:34] as here then [03:34] ask* [03:34] the mentoring program is basically for the last mile on the process, not for the first one [03:34] nxvl, ah [03:35] nxvl, well I mean I get how to do it, but that guide doesn't really explain how it works [03:36] the guide is just that, a guide [03:37] for more information you need to read the debian Policy [03:37] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [03:37] you can find more documentation here aswell: http://www.debian.org/devel/ [03:41] nxvl, how do you do this: "Apply the unzipped .diff.gz to the unpacked source directory. " [03:41] nxvl, what does apply mean? [03:42] where is that? [03:42] Buuntu, patch -p1 < *.diff.gz [03:42] Buuntu, patch -p1 < name.diff.gz [03:42] nxvl, 3.1 Packaging from Scratch of the complete guide [03:44] nxvl, oh wait, I didn't read that - it was explaining what apt-get source does :P [03:44] nxvl, sorry [03:50] nxvl, what about this : dh_make -e your.maintainer@address, is that my email or what? [03:51] yup === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [04:16] nxvl, what language do the files like rules use? I wasn't aware that make was a programming language... [04:19] Buuntu: dash [04:20] Buuntu, dash? hmm... never heard of it [04:22] nxvl, Enter passphrase: gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session? [04:22] nxvl, I set up gpg with a passphrase though... [04:41] !ops [04:41] Help! Hobbsee, Riddell, sladen, fbond, mneptok, gnomefreak, Seveas, dholbach, elkbuntu, PriceChild, or jpds! [04:41] sigh [04:42] Hobbsee: you know you want to [04:42] lifeless: which is why i just went to #freenode asking about a kline, yes [04:42] \o/ [04:43] looks like someone was already onto it === mzz_ is now known as mzz [04:56] anyone want to sponsor a package? [04:58] micahg: what is it, is it syncable from Debian? [04:58] no, it's a u-u-s debdiff [04:59] I wanted to get it into lucid, so I can get an SRU to karmic [05:01] sladen: ^^^ [05:03] micahg: what's the diff/package? [05:04] sladen: bug 477513 [05:04] Launchpad bug 477513 in uim "FireFox crashes routinely karmic i386" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477513 [05:04] sladen: I made the upload for lucid, and the patch is from upstream, but the user never tested it [05:04] should I have the user test the karmic version before I push the patch to lucid? [05:05] or is upstreams commit good enough? [05:15] gah, looking at this when I was about to go to bed was silly [05:18] yeah, that's why I was wondering if there was a night owl here :) [05:20] porthose__, about debian bug 557598: I think that the icons are the ones uuencoded in debian directory [05:20] Debian bug 557598 in xtide "xtide: Icons missing copyright information" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/557598 [05:24] WaVeR, waver_ got your email. What do you want exactly? :-) [05:26] hey guys anyone know how's it possible to make dh7 rerun autotools? [05:29] mdbtools made it in override_dh_auto_configure [05:32] RoAkSoAx, this is also what has been done in gshare by Laney [05:32] you can have a look at those 2 pacakges [05:32] fabrice_sp, ok cool, i'll take a look at those packages. thanks for the tip [05:32] yw ;-) [05:34] fabrice_sp, Ok, but the copyright information is still missing, so the is bug still relevant correct? :) [05:35] yes: it's only that in the Debian bug report, you mentioned other icons ;-) [05:35] porthose__, ^ [05:35] fabrice_sp, ok i will fix it :) [05:35] ;-) [05:38] fabrice_sp, I am not a big emac user (just started playing with it) so no I am not sure that change is still needed, should I turn bug #485689 into a sync request? [05:38] Launchpad bug 485689 in nxml-mode "Please Merge nxml-mode 20041004-8 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485689 [05:41] porthose__, neither am I :-) it's only that I'm not been able to reproduce it, so I'm not sure the change is still required [05:41] don't know also what is the future of emacs21 and emacs22, as we already have emacs23 [05:42] hhm: emacs21 is not packaged in lucid [05:43] if we can get rid of emacs22, this package can be deleted also [05:43] IIRC nxml-mode is included in emacs23, hmm [05:43] don't know the impact :-D [05:43] yes [05:43] emcas package is provided by emacs23 in lucid, so upgrade path seems to be covered [05:44] "emacs package" [05:45] fabrice_sp, how about we wait on this until the fate of emacs22 is known, sound good :) [05:46] porthose__, you can perhaps ping an archive admin, to have his opinion on removing emacs22. otherwise, emacs22 will still be in lucid :-) [05:47] micahg: how long has that bug been going on; is it also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377808 [05:47] Debian bug 377808 in uim "uim can cause crash of X" [Normal,Open] [05:47] micahg: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/440110 a dup aswell? [05:47] Launchpad bug 440110 in firefox-3.5 "Flash intermitently crashes FireFox 3.5" [Undecided,Incomplete] [05:48] fabrice_sp, ok I'll do that in the am, it's bed time for me night ;) [05:48] good night porthose__ :-) [05:54] * micahg is looking sladen [05:54] sladen: the first debian bug doesn't seem to be it as it's too old [05:56] that other LP bug does look like a dupe though [06:00] sladen: oh, you pushed it, thanks [06:00] should I prepare the SRU? [06:05] micahg: go ahead, but you'll need to get somebody else, the patch is pretty simple [06:05] ok, I'll follow the sru procedure, thanks for approving that [06:10] sladen: ugh [06:10] I thought I checked debian...seems they do have it [06:10] in unstable [06:17] slytherin: are you up for a question [06:18] tell me [06:18] so, I thought I checked debian for a patch and ended up patching myself and geting the upload sponsered, but debian did have it in unstable [06:18] * micahg mistook 1.5.6-2 for 1.5.6-0ubuntu2 [06:18] :) [06:19] should I request a sync now to fix it? [06:19] Not a big deal. When Debian package gets migrated to testing, you can request a sync. [06:19] ok [06:19] I used the same patch number, just a different patch name [06:21] when you request sync, your changes are all going away, so patch name doesn't matter [06:21] ok [06:22] do I have to watch for it, or will it happen automatically? [06:22] I jsut wanted to get an SRU to karmic [06:23] karmic? I thought you were talking about package in lucid. [06:23] I already got the fix in Lucid, but only because that was on the SRU procedure [06:23] that was the one that debian has the fix for and got someone to sponsor [06:23] now I'm trying to finish getting the SRU into -proposed for karmic [06:24] Ok. [06:25] I'm waiting for i386 and lpia to finish building in my ppa, then I'll upload the debdiff to the bug [07:05] http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/39760.html === pan1nx is now known as info === info is now known as help [07:56] good morning === goshawk is now known as goshawkATPoliMi [08:06] hi dholbach - morning folks! [08:06] hi siretart` [08:08] <\sh> moins === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [10:08] Hi. Any MOTUs available to review my package with already one advocation? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gpxviewer - Thanks :) [10:18] AndrewGee: _o/ [10:18] DktrKranz: Thanks :) [10:50] jdong: Hi, why was the ticket assigned to me? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/481448 [10:50] Launchpad bug 481448 in vlc "VLC lacks build-dep on libupnp3-dev" [Undecided,New] === asac_ is now known as asac [11:08] AndrewGee: commented [11:08] DktrKranz: Thanks :) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [12:24] Hi, any MOTUs available to review my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/hiawatha [12:37] mine too: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/jansson [13:45] Hey, when I run "pbuilder create" on my 9.10 system, I get "Unknown distribution: karmic" [13:45] Any idea why? === ogra_ is now known as ogra [13:48] lfaraone: surprising [13:50] lfaraone, are you in karmic? [13:59] cyphermox, slytherin, yes, I'm running karmic. [14:01] anything special in .pbuilderrc? [14:02] cyphermox: not afaict. let me check [14:03] cyphermox: nevermind, I was missing "karmic" in .pbuilderc [14:04] lfaraone, in, say, UBUNTU_SUITES? [14:06] lfaraone, because normally it doesn't need to be anywhere in .pbuilderrc -- that file could not exist and pbuilder still recognizes karmic as a valid distribution [14:10] lfaraone: Do you have correct version of debootstrap package installed? === porthose__ is now known as padpuck === padpuck is now known as porthose [15:01] I've got a small issue with a makefile: http://jldupont.pastebin.com/m395171f1 [15:01] could someone help me? I believe it is really simple, I just know some guru out here will figure out! [15:06] jldupont: I think the clean rule in the upstream Makefile should not run "rm" unconditionally [15:06] i.e., it should run "rm -f" [15:07] @azeem: good point ! THANKS! [15:08] cyphermox: thanks to you too! (private reply) [15:08] jldupont, you should post to the channel with all your stuff though, not just directly to me [15:08] so that others can potentially benefit from it [15:11] cyphermox: you are totally right... my bad... I'll be more diligent next time! [15:19] is anybody here? [15:20] azeem: isn't 'rm -f' same as running rm unconditionally? [15:20] ari-tczew: lots of people are here. [15:20] slytherin: it doesn't exit with failure if the file to remove does not exist AFAIK [15:20] unconditionally was maybe the wrong term... [15:20] could someone review this bug 393923 [15:20] Launchpad bug 393923 in agg "agg_rasterizer_cells_aa.h missing #includes and so it doesn't compile on new GCC versions" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393923 [15:21] is it need fix? [15:21] ari-tczew: are you saying you attached a patch to the bug and want it reviewed? [15:22] no, I'm looking for answer, that whether this need patch, if it needs a patch, then I'll do debdiff [15:24] cyphermox: yes, in UBUNTU_SUITES. [15:24] the CERN ROOT packages don't seem to include the Python bindings... does anyone know how to get them? [15:25] this is with root-system and libroot-python5.18... [15:25] the manifest for libroot-python5.18 doesn't seem to suggest it includes any python libraries... [15:27] what about libroot-python-dev? [15:41] hi all [15:41] the next meeting of the Motu council should take place on Friday, 26th November 2009, 17:00 UTC [15:41] but November 26 is on Thursday [15:41] what's the right date? [15:42] tseliot, #ubuntu-metting [15:42] now just someone is talking [15:43] huh? [15:43] he asked for the date [15:44] ari-tczew: yes, I'm there, but that's a DMB meeting [15:44] geser: ^^ [15:45] Heya gang [15:47] tseliot: fixed, the 2nd meeting of a month is always on the 4th Thursday [15:48] geser: ok, thanks a lot [15:49] so 27th november? [15:49] ari-tczew: 26 [15:49] ah thursday, right, [15:49] according to my calender the 4th Thursday is on Nov 26 [15:49] I'm pretty tired today [15:54] If I want to candidate to member of MOTU, can I request this 26th thursday? [15:54] ari-tczew: you're supposed to put in a week in advance [15:55] maco, thanks [15:55] so I'll do another once [15:55] bddebian: Hello. [15:58] ari-tczew: the MC could process you on Fri, Dec 11th if you apply till Dec 4th [16:04] where can I apply this? [16:04] Hi iulian [16:07] ari-tczew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Applying [16:25] Hello there! Quick question: are there any rules re. the age of files that comprise a package? [16:25] One of geser's packages was rejected by Soyuz because the files therein had "Thu Jan 1 10:13:08 1970" time stamps [16:26] just trying to figure out whether this is a Soyuz bug or an issue with his package [16:27] The package in question is upload php-auth_1.6.2-1, see also: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36001574/upload_1361070_log.txt [16:27] I can't imagine those time stamps being correct, so I'd be cursious how they got that way? [16:28] geser: can you elaborate please? [16:28] I can imagine it happening with tar -mtime in conjunction with a get-orig-source rule to make it deterministic [16:29] al-maisan: 1970 being described as 'in the future' is clearly wrong in any case. [16:29] ScottK: yes, I acknowledged that as a bug already. [16:29] OK. [16:35] pkern, what are your feelings about changing the localization to US rather than UK (bug #485408) [16:35] Launchpad bug 485408 in gobby "en_US users see en_UK spellings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485408 [16:41] Anyone using the Bazaar plugin under Eclipse? How can I "ignore" a file from a directory under revision control ? [16:42] ScottK: one moment, I've to look at the package (php-auth; imported from Debian) [16:45] ScottK: they are already in the upstream tarball: http://download.pear.php.net/package/Auth-1.6.2.tgz [16:46] the interesting fact is, that the Debian deb has all timestamps current while I could reproduce this timestamps in my lucid pbuilder [16:47] Weird [16:47] as the package is arch:all I can't check the Debian buildd log :( [16:53] rebuilding the package in a lenny pbuilder shows the same timestamps (from 1970) [16:53] It might be worth a mail to the Debian maintainer to ask him how he builds the package. [16:54] Some of them have 'unique' approaches for arch all packages. My favorite being the one where the maintainer's home directory name was hard encoded in the maintainerscripts. [16:55] * geser hopes Debian starts rebuilding arch:all packages soon upon upload [16:57] ScottK: are you familiar with the automake/python.my problem with dist-packages vs site-packages? [16:57] python.m4 rather [16:59] EzraR: Not really. It's pretty easy to fix these things when distutils is used. Possibly the easiest thing to do is just move everything in debian/rules. [17:00] ScottK: yeah pycentral i believe does that automaticlly...the problem with this particular package is it uses the value with sed to change the source [17:01] pycentral does not fix that [17:01] I don't have an easy suggestion for you and no time to review it in depth now. Sorry. [17:02] ScottK: np, i thought i had seen your name when i was tracking down the automake stuff [17:02] I've worked on packages like that before, it's just been awhile. [17:04] right now the package is broken for python 2.6 but say if i changed the source after install it would break it for < 2.6 [17:05] or do i need to worry about people not having 2.6? [17:05] i can put a condition to change if over 2.5 [17:05] In Lucid, we only have 2.6, so it's fine. [17:06] karmic too? [17:08] Karmic has 2.5 and 2.6. [17:08] A more general solution is preferable. It'd be useful for Debian if not for us. [17:09] i believe that would take fixing automake which the bug is curently makred fixed [17:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/350016 [17:17] Launchpad bug 350016 in python2.6 "wrong quoting in aclocal's python.m4 check" [High,Fix released] [17:27] ScottK: oh and btw the package ive been talking about isnt in debian [17:27] OK, then that simplifies things. [17:33] however if someone installed the package when they had python 2.5 then upgraded to 2.6 it would break [18:06] How come that my PPA doesn't appear in Synaptic? When I press the "origin" button, my PPA isn't listed? [18:07] jldupont: it just lists ppa.launchpad.net [18:08] micahg: thanks for the reply. ok then, why isn't my package listed when I search for it **but** I can install it using apt-get ? [18:08] do you have just the deb line or deb and deb-src? [18:08] just the deb [18:09] I need deb-src?? [18:09] maybe that's it, but I'd say that's a bug if it is [18:09] let me try... a sec. [18:10] even with the deb-src it's still doesn't show in Synaptic **but** it is installed as per apt-get... [18:11] what did I do wrong in the packaging ?? [18:11] Neither PPA nor Synaptic are particularly on topic for this channel. [18:11] ScottK: I tried #launchpad but nobody responds... [18:12] That doesn't magically change the topic of this channel. [18:13] jldupont: lets go to #ubuntu-bugs [18:59] hi... will the fix for Bug #439077 , be available for Karmic? [18:59] Launchpad bug 439077 in vlc "enable globalhotkeys in karmic vlc" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439077 [19:00] hmm , is this the right room for the question ? :) [19:02] mac_v: only has a lucid patch at the moment [19:02] maco: nice interview :) [19:02] mac_v: It's on topic for the channel. Not sure who can answer. [19:02] mac_v: SRU was not requested [19:03] randomaction: hmm , how do we do that? [19:03] !sru [19:03] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [19:03] the bug was actually filed for karmic , as mentioned in the title [19:05] mac_v, the fix is alwasys uploaded for the dev version, so Lucid in that case [19:05] after it's fixed in the dev version, a SRU has to be done, to 'backport' it [19:06] hmm , reading the wiki , I'm not sure if this is SRU worthy , but seems more for the backports.. [19:06] ah ok [19:07] devs, could someone check bug 393923, is it needs a fix? [19:07] Launchpad bug 393923 in agg "agg_rasterizer_cells_aa.h missing #includes and so it doesn't compile on new GCC versions" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393923 [19:13] ari-tczew, I don't think so: if the package works fine, I don't see the point of fixing something that we don't use. Check it with av` [19:13] ScottK, I would like yout opinion in the patch attached for bug #401048 fixes the issue? [19:13] Launchpad bug 401048 in havp "havp fails to (re)start because of mounted /var/spool/havp in Karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401048 [19:14] sure fabrice_sp [19:14] * ScottK looks [19:16] RoAkSoAx: You can ask cemc what testing he's done on this. I don't have a havp setup to test with, but I generally trust his work on clamav packages. [19:17] anyone interested in pushing through an SRU? === micahg1 is now known as micahg [19:17] ScottK, ok I'll ask him then :) [19:20] RoAkSoAx: well, I attached that patch... and I think it fixes the problem, but I have to look at it a bit more. I know it's still an issue in Karmic [19:22] cemc, ok so if its still an issue in Karmic, it might be in lucid as well [19:22] RoAkSoAx: yes, Lucid has the same version as Karmic [19:23] cemc, Yes, I was about to merge the new upstream version however I though to wait for the fix on that bug before uploading it to Lucid [19:24] RoAkSoAx: 0.91-1 from testing? [19:24] cemc, yes [19:26] m4rtin: thanks [19:28] RoAkSoAx: I dont' see any bugreports in Debian for this. I'll file one, maybe they'll fix it and then you can merge (and maybe do an SRU for Karmic). how does this sound? [19:29] cemc, awesome! I'll hold the merge a few days then!! :) [19:29] is fakeroot broken in lucid? [19:30] I'm getting "ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored" [19:36] hmm, it's not lucid fault [19:36] fcuk112, ^ [19:36] this is when I try to generate the source pacakge [19:36] of libavg [19:47] Hello together! I've got some questions to the contribution process for people who are new to the whole thing (like me). I read many wiki articles, but I am still a little unsure about which things I need to do. I followed the tutorials, here you can see what I got so far: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lcdproc/+bug/218374. I am not sure about the correctness of all what I did there... and I don't know what I still have to do. Can [19:47] you help me? [19:47] Launchpad bug 218374 in lcdproc "LCD g15 driver is not compiled" [Medium,Confirmed] [19:52] hey guys has anyone else receiving a "E: Could not connect to fiordland.ubuntu.com:25: Connection timed out (110)" message while requesting a sync with requestsync ? [19:54] lars_: you should subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug. And the sponsors will most likely ask you to add the changelog entry (to debian/changelog), so you might do that as well :) [19:55] ok, I will do that [19:56] fabrice_sp: thanks i got your update. [19:57] fabrice_sp: how do i add the export line? i just added export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/libavg:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH on line 2 of the debian/rules file. [19:59] fcuk112, perhaps adding it when building the package? (in the buils target) [19:59] you don't have this error? [20:00] fabrice_sp: i do - but i saw some stuff on google that it could be ignored. i guess it can't. [20:00] nop, as it don't let you build the source package :-D [20:01] ScottK, do you have opinion on removing emacs22 from archive for lucid? [20:03] fabrice_sp: I think it should go, but I'd ask siretart` as he's a heavy emacs user and would know better. [20:03] fabrice_sp: humm, moving the export line below debian/stamp-build%: [20:03] didn't help [20:03] ScottK, ok :-) [20:04] porthose, ^ [20:04] fcuk112, can you check if the source package can be built without this line? [20:05] fabrice_sp: then i get the old error again: libavg.so missing =P [20:05] fabrice_sp: it should build, but only when i have that export entry in my .pbuilderrc. [20:05] perhaps someone else can help you with the build error [20:06] fabrice_sp: ok - back to the drawing board :( [20:06] do you have the exact building error? [20:07] got it: [20:07] dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library avg.so.0 needed by debian/python-libavg/usr/lib/libColorNode.so.0.0.0 [20:07] anyone know how to fix that^ ? [20:07] fabrice_sp: why do you want emacs22 removed? [20:08] ScottK: in case this question turns up again: I think we should keep emacs22 in universe at least for lucid, probably until we get an emacs24 package (which might take some time..) - for now let's hope that emacs23 gets promoted soon [20:09] siretart, emacs is provided by emacs23, and this would allow to remove also another package (nxml-mode) [20:09] ok [20:10] is that still a good reason to remove it? [20:10] siretart, do you have an opinion on Bug #485689 ? [20:10] Launchpad bug 485689 in nxml-mode "Please Merge nxml-mode 20041004-8 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485689 [20:10] though it's nice to cut down on the number of versions to carry [20:10] ajmitch, 3 times the same pacakge seems a good reason to remove at least one :-) [20:11] (at least, it seems to be the same package to me :- ) [20:12] I'm just wary of taking a package from default in main ine one release to removed in the next [20:13] but apart from that I don't know if there are good reasons to keep it around [20:13] or is emacs23 default in karmic? I can never remember :) [20:14] ajmitch: no, emacs23 was not ready in time for wide testing. it is shipped in universe [20:14] right [20:14] 'emacs --version' gives me emacs23 because I chose to install it, I guess === IVBela1 is now known as IVBela [20:15] right: emacs is provided by emacs22 in karmic, and by emacs23 in lucid [20:16] fabrice_sp: err, nxml-mode got merged in emacs23, yes. so we need it for emacs22 only. [20:16] siretart: Why do we need two emacs versions? [20:16] fabrice_sp: I don't understand what's unclear on this bug? [20:16] because emacs is more than just an editor :) [20:16] ScottK: for the same reason we ship multiple versions of python [20:17] siretart: How many versions of Python in Lucid? [20:17] siretart, I think it could be a sync, because I've not been able to reproduce the problem that generated the diff i Ubuntu [20:17] still 5 at the moment, isn't it? [20:18] from 2.4 to 3.1 [20:18] ScottK: sorry? I guess lucid will ship more than 2 versions. [20:19] Lucid only has 2.6 as a supported version. [20:19]