[00:00] <nhandler> What type of information will be available via anonymous access to the IRC tracker?
[00:01] <Pici> We haven't made that decision yet.
[00:02] <nhandler> Pici: Ok, hopefully nothing too sensitive
[00:02] <Pici> nhandler: of course
[00:36] <bazhang> tsimpson, congrats!
[00:36] <bazhang> well deserved hall of fame :)
[00:37] <tsimpson> :)
[01:37] <Flannel> Well, that was fun.
[02:15] <maco> people who have n=root@  in their nick are supposed to be yanked aside, right?
[02:17] <MenZa> they are?
[02:17] <tsimpson> not necessarily
[02:17] <bazhang> never heard that
[02:17] <tsimpson> you can set it to root without being root
[02:17] <MenZa> I normally just point out that they should not be running their IRC client as root
[02:18] <tsimpson> I think we have
[02:18] <MenZa> just as a friendly reminder
[02:18] <tsimpson> !rootirc
[02:18] <MenZa> heh
[04:19] <Cytotoxic> Ubuntu is cancer and as a result i must adapt. To adapt i will make cytotoxic t cells
[04:23] <Madpilot> Cytotoxic, say again?
[04:26] <elky> dwhite, can we help you?
[04:26] <dwhite> no, just browsing...
[04:26] <dwhite> thank you
[04:27] <nalioth> Cytotoxic: please respect our topic
[04:27] <elky> dwhite, if you're here to spectate whatever Cytotoxic is trying to pull, then that's not really appropriate. please do not spectate or idle here.
[04:27] <Cytotoxic> dwhite, dont listen to them they accuse me of trolling but i dont
[04:28] <Cytotoxic> so just kline me for another 3 days!
[04:28] <elky> this channel has nothing to do with klines.
[04:28] <Cytotoxic> I will wait here all night until tomorrow until i get klined
[04:28] <Cytotoxic> Nailoth kilined me before irc
[04:28] <elky> that is because nalioth is a staff member. that's irrelevant to his being here.
[04:29] <Cytotoxic> !staff
[04:29] <Cytotoxic> maybe they will kline me
[04:29] <elky> dwhite, goodbye.
[04:29] <nalioth> dwhite: if you have nothing for us, please respect our topic
[04:42] <Flannel> What a lovely person
[04:44] <Madpilot> not in any of those channels myself - was that hfsplus spamming us, or him reacting to someone else hitting all those channels?
[04:44] <nalioth> no, it was hfsplus asking for a kline
[04:45] <Madpilot> I figured as much.
[04:46] <mneptok> @login
[04:46] <nalioth> hfsplus = cytotoxic, btw
[04:46] <nalioth> Madpilot: ^^
[04:47] <Madpilot> a great surprise
[04:48] <mneptok> !ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:48] <mneptok> ubottu: forget !ops-#ubuntu-devel
[04:49] <Madpilot> silly short-bus-riding bot...
[04:49] <mneptok> ubottu no, !ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:49] <mneptok> !ops-#ubuntu-devel
[04:49] <mneptok> FFS
[04:51] <Flannel> If you ubottu it, you don't need the !
[04:52] <mneptok> ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:52] <mneptok> ubottu?
[04:52] <mneptok> ubottu: ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:52] <mneptok> ubottu: forget ops-#ubuntu-devel
[04:52] <mneptok> ubottu: ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:52] <mneptok> !ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:53] <mneptok> ubottu: !ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:53] <mneptok> i give up
[04:54] <Madpilot> @login
[04:55] <Madpilot> ubottu, no ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:55] <Madpilot> stupid bot
[04:55] <mneptok> ubottu: ops-#ubuntu\-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[04:55] <Madpilot> bingo!
[04:55] <mneptok> !ops-#ubuntu-devel
[04:55] <Madpilot> was just wondering if you had to escape the - or something
[04:56] <MenZa> oh lawd
[04:56] <Madpilot> ... or maybe not...
[04:56] <mneptok> !ops-#ubuntu\-devel
[04:57] <mneptok> that is decidedly unhelpful
[04:57] <Madpilot> who runs the poor thing these days, anyway?
[04:58] <Flannel> You don't need to escape the -
[04:58] <Flannel> Hmm
[05:30] <jpds> Woah, the blinken red lights are blinken.
[05:31] <jpds> mneptok: you need to unforget ops-u-d, and then "no, ops-u-d".
[05:33] <jpds> mneptok: ubottu never forgets and the factoid is kept in the database (SQLite powered tho), hence why it's refusing the new one.
[05:33] <jpds> That or something weird is happening.
[05:34] <jpds> I have weeks worth of backups of the db tho.
[05:36] <mneptok> ubottu: unforget ops-#ubuntu-devel
[05:36] <mneptok> ubottu, no, ops-#ubuntu-devel is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! mneptok, Hobbsee, cjwatson, mdz, lamont, Keybuk, or thom!
[05:36] <mneptok> !ops-#ubuntu-devel
[05:36] <mneptok> jpds: i owe you a Coke
[05:37] <Madpilot> hey, it works. silly bot.
[05:37] <jpds> mneptok: Hey, no problem, come visit me in Montrel/London at some point. :)
[05:37] <mneptok> jpds: Montreal is likely for the PHPcon there.
[05:38] <mneptok> (and for a poutine fix from Dilallo)
[05:41] <tsimpson> everyone blames the bot
[05:42] <tsimpson> *learn to use it* ;)
[05:42] <Madpilot> so much simpler just to blame the bot :)
[05:42] <Madpilot> besides, the 'stuff you tell the bot to forget isn't actually forgotten' thing seems... counterintuitive, at best.
[05:43] <tsimpson> well I didn't design it, I'm just lumped with unbreaking/maintaining it
[05:44] <tsimpson> but there isn't really a good one-word term for "forget something without forgetting it, but pretend that you have, unless I tell you not to"
[05:54] <mneptok> yeah, "completely borked beyond belief" is 4 words.
[05:55] <jussi01> tsimpson: +1
[05:56] <jussi01> tsimpson: I guess ignore? but meh
[05:56] <Flannel> It's not forgotten, it's marked as deleted.
[05:56] <jussi01> we have a whole list of instructions though
[05:56] <mneptok> Flannel: i'll try that approach as regards ex-girlfriends and my wife.
[05:58] <Flannel> mneptok: You'd probably want to not do it to your wife.  Lest you wind up with invalid aliases.
[05:59] <mneptok> Flannel: are you ... hitting on me?
[05:59] <mneptok> O;)
[05:59] <Flannel> mneptok: What's not to love about http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/5/55/Mnepolo.png
[06:00] <Madpilot> oh dog, that image again... <whimper>
[06:01] <jussi01> Flannel: WHY!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:01] <jussi01> ?
[06:03] <jpds> Jesus.
[06:03] <jpds> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux
[06:03] <jpds> Seriosuly?!
[06:04] <Flannel> It's uncyclopedia, what do you expect?
[06:05] <maco> LOL “Ubuntu, now with non-random OpenSSL keys”
[06:05] <maco>     ~ OpenSSL on Ubuntu
[06:05] <maco> “Ubuntu, now with random OpenSSL keys”
[06:05] <maco>     ~ OpenSSL-blacklist on Ubuntu
[06:05] <ubot3> openssl: Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.8g-15ubuntu3.2 (jaunty), package size 392 kB, installed size 836 kB
[06:05] <ubot3> openssl-blacklist: list of blacklisted OpenSSL RSA keys. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.2ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 6189 kB, installed size 12240 kB
[06:05]  * maco blinks
[06:06] <jussi01> maco: ubot3 takes ~ in here
[06:06] <tsimpson> well, that was contextual
[06:06] <maco> jussi01: i see
[06:06] <jussi01> but then again, its still weird it did that..
[06:06] <tsimpson> that ones probably still running the code where !someing falls back to package lookup
[06:07] <jussi01> ahh
[06:10] <mneptok> if anyone cares, my caption for that picture is, "my hair is luxurious. touch it."
[06:10] <mneptok> makes me feel sorta Fabio-esque.
[06:11] <jussi01> mneptok: stop....
[06:11] <Madpilot> do not mention That Picture. evar.
[06:12]  * Madpilot watches the Dance of the Floodbots in #ubuntu.
[06:13] <mneptok> my picture is *nothing* compared to photos of cr3 in the mankini during the Dublin sprint.
[06:14]  * tsimpson things floodbot4 has issues
[06:18] <maco> mneptok: wait, is that really you? this is the red leather pants conversation from the UW session?
[06:20] <jussi01> maco: scary thing is, I do beleive that is actually mneptok....
[06:21] <maco> yeah...just different hair
[06:21] <maco> can we put censor bars over his torso?
[06:22] <bazhang> mneptok, python
[06:23] <maco> hahaha mneptok: dtchen refuses to look at you
[06:25] <elky> i'm pretty certain that this conversation breaches at least one amendment of the Geneva Convention
[06:25] <jussi01> maco: most people who have seen that photo do...
[06:26] <Madpilot> elky, there's a clause in the Conventions against weapons-grade photography?
[06:26] <elky> Madpilot, i figure it easily qualifies for 'cruel and unusual punishment'
[06:31] <jussi01> lol
[06:31] <jussi01> btw, I has wave invites if anyone still needs
[06:36] <MenZa> same
[06:36] <mneptok> maco: yes, that's me in the U/Rhode Island Theater Dept costume shop
[06:37] <mneptok> maco: i had .... errr .... uhhhh .... "business" there
[06:37] <topyli> @btlogin
[06:37] <mneptok> c1995, IIRC
[06:45] <jussi01> btw, just for anyone who didnt see... http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com/
[06:46] <bazhang> yep
[06:47] <bazhang> the bots attack of a week or so ago left some forwards of them to ubuntu-read-topic (and there are some much older ones as well): safe to remove from banlist? what about some of the various.freenode.net bans from more than a month ago that are no longer seen as being by an operator?
[06:48] <jussi01> bazhang: the bot attack ones should be removed after 14 days, if they are not, feel free to remove.
[06:49] <bazhang> jussi01, okay, thanks. What about the more than month old ones from various people that no longer show up in the banlist as from them
[06:49] <jussi01> double check the others against the bt, thattl tell you who the op is. for extra credit, have a look at the situatin, and if more than a month old and a straight ban, consider removal.
[06:50] <bazhang> jussi01, have done so (ie checked against the operator --some from Seeker` mneptok and a couple others ) a month to six weeks old
[06:51] <bazhang> err the bantracker not operator
[06:51] <bazhang> dont want to tread on any toes but there are still roughly 260 some bans in the list
[06:52] <jussi01> yeah, perhaps make a list, unless you lok at the situation and feel they could easily be removed.
[06:53] <bazhang> the last list I made was largely not dealt with
[06:54] <jussi01> bazhang: make sure I get it. Ill make sure peole doe something. and for extra brownie points here, make the list in a format somewhere that peole can tick off/remove the bans they removed from it.
[07:24] <mneptok> what we do for fun in Albuquerque - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNW9cYY4tqc
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: that is a heck of a lot of ladders
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: also, I'm a little bit amused by the "yeah, but can it run crysis?" comment.
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> I wonder how long it takes to boot a computer with that many nodes - I'm guessing they stagger them for power reasons.
[07:36] <Madpilot> so, *can* it run an FPS?
[07:36] <Madpilot> :)
[07:36] <tsimpson> if we ran ubottu from there, we wouldn't need a new bantracker
[07:41] <jussi01> lol
[07:41] <mneptok> tsimpson: right, because with that kind of CPU power, ubottu would crash in microseconds after every restart :P
[07:42]  * mneptok tootles off to bed
[07:42] <tsimpson> nah, because we could store the entire ban database in RAM ;)
[07:43] <Flannel> We're turning the bantracker into a FPS?
[07:43] <mneptok> being an IRC op is like a text mode FPS.
[07:44] <Madpilot> Flannel, +1
[07:44] <Flannel> mneptok: It'd be more like a MUD, but yes.
[07:46] <jussi01> hahah
[07:46] <jussi01> wth is a MUD?
[07:46] <Flannel> jussi01: really?
[07:46] <jussi01> really...
[07:46] <Flannel> MUD is Multi User Dungeon
[07:47]  * jussi01 is not a gamer
[07:47] <jussi01> ok...
[07:47] <Flannel> think of it like... zork, but online with other people, and... with combat.
[07:47] <Flannel> Online RPGs, textmode.
[07:49] <jussi01> hrm
[07:49]  * mneptok sics a grue on Flannel 
[07:49] <jussi01> '1grue
[07:49] <Flannel> mneptok: I have my lantern!
[07:50] <jussi01> !grue
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <Flannel> Howdy dholbach
[07:58] <Madpilot> you know, to this day, when I walk through a dark part of the house, I think, "It is very dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue."
[07:59] <Madpilot> Zork has burned itself into some impossibly deep crevice of my mind.
[07:59] <Flannel> That crevice is probably inhabited by a Grue
[07:59] <Madpilot> quite likely
[08:01] <dholbach> hi Flannel
[09:22] <MenZa> that was amazing.
[09:22] <MenZa> erm
[09:23] <MenZa> truly amazing.
[09:23] <Madpilot> three of us for one troll. heh.
[09:23] <bazhang> Spiix seems to be giving dodgy advice in #ubuntu
[09:23] <Flannel> bazhang: Moreso than just sudo su?
[09:24] <Flannel> Oh yep, debian deb files
[09:24] <bazhang> Flannel, ardchoille has been watching him for a bit, PM'd about it
[09:25] <bazhang> jussi01, not really interested in brownie points, just wanted to reduce the ban list.
[09:58] <Bacta> Hi
[09:58] <bazhang> Bacta, hi
[09:59] <Bacta> I think we can both agree that it is now "a couple of days"?
[10:03] <bazhang> Bacta, you were banned in #kubuntu and #ubuntu for being offtopic
[10:03] <Bacta> And #ubuntu-offtopic?
[10:04] <bazhang> Bacta, the ban in -ot I am not familiar with, it was related to ongoing trolling there iirc
[10:04] <Bacta> I said (and I quote) "I'm here to troll"
[10:04] <Bacta> and 90 minutes later after the event I was banned
[10:04] <bazhang> Bacta, lets cut to the chase
[10:04] <Bacta> Sure
[10:05] <bazhang> Bacta, this is not a one time incident but a series of incidents over a very long period of time.
[10:05] <Bacta> That is true
[10:05] <Bacta> But I feel my behaviour has been much better recently
[10:06] <bazhang> as such, even suggesting you are trolling is going to make you suspect, due to the very long history of doing so.
[10:06] <Bacta> That is true
[10:06] <bazhang> Bacta, if you would like my take on it?
[10:07] <Bacta> Yes, go ahead
[10:07] <bazhang> Bacta, stick to some of the non-Ubuntu channels for support for the near term.
[10:08] <bazhang> similarly #defocus or other chat channels for offtopic chat.
[10:08] <Bacta> You obviously have no clue what the word Ubuntu means do you?
[10:08] <Bacta> So I'm now officially banned for the forseeable future from the support channel of my OS of choice?
[10:09] <bazhang> freenode is a very small community, and that being the case, we all bump into one another sharing various channels.
[10:09] <bazhang> Bacta, that was my suggestion alone. Which you said you would hear out.
[10:10] <Bacta> I'm guessing your an Ubuntu staffer
[10:10] <bazhang> Bacta, you are more than welcome to speak to ikonia to get unbanned from those three channels.
[10:10] <Bacta> So what's the official verdict?
[10:10] <Bacta> And no Freenode is not small, it's infact very large
[10:10] <Bacta> ikonia doesn't want me PMing him
[10:10] <bazhang> Bacta, not really interested in arguing with you
[10:10] <Bacta> Can I wait here until he shows up?
[10:11] <bazhang> Honey catches more flies than Vinegar
[10:11] <Bacta> I've got no idea what that means
[10:12] <bazhang> Being Pleasant and Agreeable will get results moreso than being argumentative et al ^^
[10:12] <Bacta> That is true
[10:12] <Bacta> Can you recommend an alternative Ubuntu channel for support questions? I know there are a number of them
[10:14] <bazhang> Bacta, you can /msg alis list *ubuntu*  ; #freenode can advise on the further niceties of using -more and -less switches on that (ie to get more than 60 channels, the next 60, etc.)
[10:14] <bazhang> not really sure myself, apologies
[10:15] <Bacta> There aren't many good ones unless I can speak spanish or are interested in kernels unfortunately
[10:15] <jussi01> Bacta: try ##linux and /msg nickserv info is usually pretty good for telling when someone is active
[10:15] <bazhang> good luck Bacta
[10:15] <Bacta> True but I am not allowed to PM ikonia so it would be good to respect his wishes
[10:16] <jussi01> Bacta: yes, however, you can see when he is active. then you could come here to talk about it
[10:16] <Bacta> Perhaps I should stop using Ubuntu altogether
[10:16] <Bacta> And take my work to a more hospitable distro
[10:17] <Bacta> Because while I have had a few issues in the past I've tried to improve and are less than impressed in this current situation
[10:18] <Bacta> Sorry if I offended anyone but I suppose I was just thinking aloud
[10:18] <Bacta> I have apologized to ikonia for my behaviour towards him by the way
[10:18] <jussi01> Bacta: please don't troll.
[10:18] <Bacta> jussi01: I am not trolling
[10:19] <Bacta> I'm sick and tired of being told I'm a troll or being accused of trolling
[10:19] <bazhang> Bacta, as he is not here, please don't idle, thanks.
[10:19] <Bacta> bazhang, if you see him around feel free to pm me
[10:19] <jussi01> Ad Im sick and tired of enduring your trolling. you and elky have been in depth regarding this and I think we are both clear on the situation
[10:21] <jussi01> Bacta: Until we see a change in your behaviour, then in good concience to the rest of the ubuntu community we really cant unban you.
[10:21] <Bacta> That is ikonia's decision to make jussi01
[10:59]  * ikonia wakes
[11:00] <ikonia> I'll have a conversation with bacta see if some consensus can be sorted out (get input from elky too) as it seems harsh to ban him going forward but his beahviour nees to stop
[11:06] <ikonia> what a bad example
[11:06] <ikonia> 10:07  * Bacta blows his troll horn
[11:06] <ikonia> 10:07 <+Bacta> TROLLLLLLLL
[11:06] <ikonia> 10:08 <+Levia> Bacta: Don't go start this again please
[11:06] <ikonia> in #defocus, after that was explained to him it's a bad thing to do
[11:10] <elky> oh for....
[11:10] <Madpilot> permaban, and forget the twit
[11:11] <Madpilot> old-school, I know, but it saves time and visits from the drama llama.
[11:12] <elky> there's more to it than that.
[11:12] <ikonia> Madpilot: just talking to him now
[11:12] <ikonia> see if we can find a way forward
[11:25] <jussi01> just be careful. but I do tend to agree, if someone come in and causes issues, then its not so hard to reinstate the ban
[11:25] <jussi01> also, has anyone seen jack_sparrow recently?
[11:25] <bazhang> whoa floodbots freaking out
[11:26] <bazhang> triple 'don't flood" messages
[11:29] <jussi01> should be ok now
[11:30] <elky> bazhang, they were on panic alert from the split
[11:30] <bazhang> elky, okay thanks for the information.
[11:31] <elky> always freaks me when i come back and find them all opped up, until i scroll up and see the carnage
[11:32] <bazhang> elky, how are you feeling of late? improved I hope
[11:32] <elky> i look human and consuming many less painkillers
[11:32]  * jussi01 prods at ikonia... 
[11:33] <bazhang> well human is good
[11:33] <jussi01> elky: is human?? I thought she was a bot... o.O :P :P
[11:34] <bazhang> except in cases of Mneptok
[11:34] <elky> jussi01, look. i look human.
[11:45] <ikonia> what's anyones thoughts on giving limcore another shot in #ubuntu ?
[11:55] <jussi01> ikonia: Ive no issues. But please, if you are going to do it, it would be helpful if you could take ownership, record how we have him banned atme etc so if the ban needs to be reinstated...
[11:56] <elky> grrrrrrr. i want 9.04's network manager back :(
[11:57] <ikonia> jussi01: understood
[11:57]  * jussi01 just wants to sleep more... jet lag is killing me...
[11:59] <ikonia> jussi01: would it be do-able to have a operator meeting to see who can help out with what/where/when
[11:59] <ikonia> jussi01: that was clearly in the wrong channel - sorry
[12:08]  * jussi01 turns 3 today.... In LP years that is! :D
[12:08] <Tm_T> kids...
[12:09] <Tm_T> I'm glad my karma is back to 0 now (;)
[12:09] <jussi01> Tm_T: how long have you had your LP account?
[12:10] <Tm_T> jussi01: almost 4 years now
[12:10] <Tm_T> apparently
[12:10] <Tm_T> I thought I had it longer than that
[12:10] <jussi01> how long has it been around?
[12:11] <Tm_T> good question...
[12:12] <Tm_T> Launched
[12:12] <Tm_T> January 2004
[12:12] <Tm_T> ...bad paste from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchpad_(website)
[12:23] <topyli> my karma is a terrific 118
[14:20]  * maco hugs Pici
[16:26] <bazhang> serverbot is luke
[16:42] <mneptok> elky: good to know you're on the mend.
[18:34] <mneptok> dbart: Richard Lanoszka is the owner of Silent Register if you need to escalate anything.
[19:11] <mneptok> ww. sorry
[19:27] <jussi01> !sync
[19:27] <Pici> !syncrequest
[19:27] <jussi01> heh
[19:27] <jussi01> just found that
[19:28] <jussi01> was searching for it, I knew there was one somewhere
[19:28] <jussi01> !sync is <alias>syncrequest
[19:28] <jussi01> :)
[20:32] <jpds> lolwut.
[20:32] <LjL> oh dear lord.
[20:33] <LjL> they're waiting until the +rR goes away
[20:33]  * jpds hugs LjL.
[20:34] <LjL> also, either 4 bots are one too many or i did something to the deopping parts of the code without realizing.
[20:35] <LjL> they flood a *tad* too much during that.
[20:37] <KindOne> hello?
[20:37] <jpds> Hi.
[20:37] <LjL> jpds, that's not really true though...
[20:38] <LjL> +C only blocks CTCP sent to nicknames, not channels
[20:38] <jpds> Yes.
[20:38] <tsimpson> KindOne: how can we help you?
[20:38] <jpds> LjL: Having an anti-DCC channel mode would be awesome.
[20:39] <LjL> jpds: i think it's going to be available on seven
[20:39] <keppi> test-me
[20:39] <LjL> keppi: that doesn't work in this channel
[20:39] <tsimpson> keppi: wrong channel
[20:39] <LjL> keppi: you need to do it in #ubuntu-read-topic
[20:39] <LjL> keppi: however, it probably won't work for a while
[20:39] <KindOne> If i type "/join #ubuntu" i get sent to "#ubuntu-read-topic" and i have read the page it sent me too... and i dont use any of the clients
[20:40] <LjL> KindOne: you seem to use mIRC
[20:40] <LjL> KindOne: you still need to change your port, i'll see if i find documentation for that
[20:40] <keppi> k thanks
[20:40] <KindOne> Um i have been using mIRC forever and have been in the #ubuntu channel for a few days and this is the first time this has happened
[20:41] <LjL> KindOne: there's a first time for everything, isn't there
[20:42] <KindOne> that is true lol
[20:42] <LjL> KindOne: google isn't being immediately helpful about changing ports in the mirc interface
[20:42] <LjL> KindOne: i suppose /server irc.freenode.net 8001 will work, but won't stick
[20:43] <KindOne> i can set my mirc to use that port be default for this server. but... will tha tfix the issue premently ?
[20:43] <LjL> KindOne: yes
[20:43] <KindOne> alright thanks
[20:43] <LjL> KindOne: at least until you change it back or use a different client, anyway!
[20:48] <LjL> as soon as i can, i'll restart the floodbots to see if i can have them not flood-deop themselves.
[20:48] <tsimpson> erm, is #ubuntu supposed to be +m?
[20:48] <LjL> tsimpson: well, kind of supposed
[20:49] <tsimpson> even with +rR?
[20:49] <LjL> tsimpson: the floodbots set +m when they get an attack while already being +R
[20:49] <tsimpson> ah, I see
[20:49] <ikonia> these attacks seem to be quite common this month
[20:49] <ikonia> has freenode annoyed someone  ?
[20:49] <LjL> tsimpson: in this case, the second attack wasn't *really* with +R already set... but to them it was
[20:50] <LjL> tsimpson: eh now it really shouldn't be +m anymore though
[20:50] <LjL> i think the bots are horribly confused at this point
[20:51] <tsimpson> ikonia: can you set -m please
[20:51] <ikonia> sure
[20:51] <ikonia> where
[20:51] <ikonia> #ubuntu ?
[20:51] <tsimpson> in #ubuntu yes
[20:51] <ikonia> done
[20:51] <tsimpson> thanks :)
[20:52] <LjL> (note: the floodbots aren't really supposed to function completely autonomously during attacks like this... they do their best, but there's a reason they call ops ;)
[20:53] <LjL> they've removed +m themselves now, but it took them a long while
[20:53] <tsimpson> yeah 5 mins
[20:53] <LjL> i know why too
[20:54] <ikonia> on it
[20:54] <KindOne> alright... i have been correncted through port 8001 for over 5 minutes and it is still not working
[20:54] <tsimpson> KindOne: did you get it sorted?
[20:55] <ikonia> hi johnneylee what's
[20:55] <LjL> KindOne: i'm sorry, it'll probably not work for a while
[20:55] <LjL> it'll work after the attacks have stopped
[20:55] <LjL> for now, they haven't
[20:55] <johnneylee> I'm wondering if I can use the SpaceGhost nick.
[20:55] <LjL> johnneylee: where you SpaceGhost previous to the attacks?
[20:55] <KindOne> so what? Ubuntu channel though i was DDosing them ?
[20:55] <tsimpson> that's not up to us johnneylee
[20:56] <johnneylee> I think I had it earlier, not sure. Is it currently not being used?
[20:56] <johnneylee> LjL yeah.
[20:56] <LjL> johnneylee: you can, but you will have to wait a little while. i don't know just how long right now.
[20:56] <tsimpson> KindOne: no, your router has a bug which makes it reset when it sees a certain string on the standard IRC port
[20:57] <LjL> please, try now saying "test me"
[20:57] <tsimpson> KindOne: we forward those effected to #ubuntu-read-topic so they can either fix the bug or work around it
[20:57] <LjL> KindOne, johnneylee ^^
[20:57] <johnneylee> That's fine. Are there actually any ubuntu ops in here that could answer my quesrion.
[20:57] <johnneylee> I'm not worried with the exploit thing, I just haven't actually got the spaceghost nick.
[20:58] <KindOne> tsimpson: i got a Linksys WRT54G Version 5.0 with the lastest firmware.
[20:58] <LjL> johnneylee: uh, then if it's not related to the exploit, what does it have to do with ubuntu?
[20:58] <tsimpson> KindOne: request the test in #ubuntu-read-topic to see if you're safe now
[20:58] <LjL> KindOne: perhaps you've got an overly old version of mirc then? mirc is also vunerable to what they're using
[20:58] <johnneylee> Well, I was reading around and it said to ask ubuntu staffers if I could get the nick spaceghost.
[20:58] <LjL> tsimpson: eh, bit late now ;)
[20:59] <KindOne> i got mirc 6.35... the lastest version... released a little over a year now
[20:59] <LjL> tsimpson: can you op me in -read-topic so i'll give notices about them needing to wait
[20:59] <LjL> KindOne: well, then it's the router. either or.
[21:04] <johnneylee> How would I manage to get a nick that is already registered but may be not used past the 60 mark?
[21:05] <LjL> johnneylee: you need to ask for it to be dropped in #freenode
[21:08] <mneptok> johnneylee: that nick will not be dropped, as it has been active recently
[21:09] <tsimpson> johnneylee: the place to ask about that is in #freenode not here
[21:09] <tsimpson> TmBerg: can we help you?
[21:10] <TmBerg> tsimpson: No. :)
[21:13] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: anything else you need from ubuntu ops?
[21:14] <mneptok> !staff | demeknott is another DCC exploiter
[21:15] <ikonia> are these all bots  gylenova> I'm kurkoebnow on 130.239.18.172 via 121.13.229.72:808 (type: h)
[21:15] <ikonia> announcing who they are
[21:17] <tsimpson> ikonia: I'm thinking they probably are
[21:17] <ikonia> they are toast then as none are responding to pm
[21:17] <LjL> how about mute them then
[21:17] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: if you have no further business here, please /part
[21:18] <LjL> that works too
[21:18] <tsimpson> ikonia: gylenova is definitely a bot
[21:18] <ikonia> yup - bots
[21:18] <ikonia> getting the others
[21:18] <LjL> for that matter, how about easing the bots' load a little by leaving +r manually set for a while?
[21:18] <Pricey> Are we looking after the channel or the bots here?
[21:19] <ikonia> bots are struggling
[21:19] <ikonia> Pricey: how's it going ?
[21:19] <LjL> Pricey: before the bots were even around, attacks like this would warrant a long +r.
[21:19] <LjL> the floodbots aren't intended to replace the ops.
[21:20] <Pricey> LjL: sure, so say "lets go +r for the channel"
[21:20] <LjL> Pricey: read what i said again
[21:20] <LjL> Pricey: before the bots were even around, attacks like this would warrant a long +r.
[21:20] <Pricey> LjL: My initial comment was before you said that.
[21:21] <mneptok> Pricey: could you please k: demeknott?
[21:21] <Pricey> mneptok: What for?
[21:21] <LjL> Pricey: exploiting
[21:21] <mneptok> !staff | demeknott is another DCC exploiter
[21:21] <Pricey> LjL: mneptok where?
[21:21] <LjL> #ubuntu?
[21:21] <Pricey> mneptok: there's no need for a call to staff, I am here.
[21:22] <KB1JWQ> Huh, I never got added to !staff. :-)
[21:22] <mneptok> 14:08 [Freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall)
[21:22] <LjL> [22:08:19] [CTCP] Received unknown CTCP-DCC SEND "klzm" 0 0 0 request from demeknott to Channel #ubuntu.
[21:22] <mneptok> 14:08 [Freenode] DCC SEND from demeknott [0.0.0.0 port 0]: totaptunk [0B bytes] requested in channel #ubuntu
[21:22] <LjL> [22:08:19] [CTCP] Received unknown CTCP-DCC CHAT "ciu65" 0 0 0 request from demeknott to Channel #ubuntu.
[21:22] <mneptok> 14:08 [Freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall)
[21:22] <ikonia> KB1JWQ: easy to fix
[21:22] <mneptok> 14:08 [Freenode] DCC SEND from demeknott [0.0.0.0 port 0]: fencegype [0B bytes] requested in channel #ubuntu
[21:22] <mneptok> 14:08 [Freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall)
[21:22] <mneptok> 14:08 [Freenode] DCC SEND from demeknott [0.0.0.0 port 0]: klzm [0B bytes] requested in channel #ubuntu
[21:22] <mneptok> 14:08 [Freenode] Warning: Port sent with DCC request is a lowport (0, unknown) - this isn't normal. It is possible the address/port is faked (or maybe someone is just trying to bypass firewall)
[21:22] <mneptok> 14:08 [Freenode] DCC CHAT from demeknott [0.0.0.0 port 0] requested in channel #ubuntu
[21:22] <ikonia> point taken mneptok
[21:22] <Pricey> mneptok: I get the idea...
[21:23] <mneptok> Pricey: ask and ye shall receive.
[21:23] <KB1JWQ>  /kline mneptok
[21:23] <KB1JWQ> Doh, damn leading space. :-D
[21:24] <ikonia> Pricey: it may not hurt if you have a moment to look at 211.23.54.30 and 59.39.181.204 they appear to be running automated bots that are annoucing spoofed addresses (not got more detail - hence request for help)
[21:24] <Pricey> I'll look into it, thanks.
[21:24] <ikonia> thank you
[21:26] <topyli> mneptok, i just talked to monty properly for the first time. i've met him before, but not you know, properly
[21:27] <topyli> he's quite all right
[21:30] <mneptok> topyli: indeed. where did you encounter him?
[21:30] <ikonia> Pricey: also 196-209-14-209-tbnb-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za I missed one, sorry
[21:30] <Nachturnal> here for the manual test :)
[21:31] <Nachturnal> ty
[21:31] <LjL> bad timing
[21:31] <topyli> mneptok, another company named Proactum irregularly does some bar meetings here in helsinki, when interesting people are around and wish to speak a little
[21:32] <topyli> pub angleterre is this pub where they traditionally hold them. they also lure another free software company to pay for drinks, this time novell
[21:32] <mneptok> topyli: hope you told him you know me. he'll take pity and invite you to dinner and sauna.
[21:33] <topyli> mneptok, i wanted to tell him about you, but failed. he was distracted from time to time you know
[21:33] <mneptok> did he bring salmiakkikossu?
[21:34] <topyli> no, he just enjoyed novell's offerings
[21:34] <mneptok> hmmm ... might have been an impostor, then. ;)
[21:34] <topyli> well, the open bar. but i think he had just long drinks
[21:35] <mneptok> OK, not an impostor. long drinks and easily distracted. that's Monty.
[21:36] <topyli> he did say two interesting things. the company has nobody like me working for them, and i agreed it should. second, the fund/charity/investing business/whatever has no research grant plan, because they have no connection to the academic world
[21:37] <topyli> both things could be easily fixed by topyli, both at once even
[21:37] <LjL> told an exploit victim to come here for explanations
[21:39] <topyli> LjL, i had forgotten you still have to troll here occasionally. isn't -ot enough? :(
[21:39] <tsimpson> for.... Trudell ban evading in #k
[21:39] <tsimpson> can staff do something?
[21:39] <LjL> ehm?
[21:40] <topyli> just sayin' you know
[21:40] <ikonia> tsimpson: nice tag team
[21:41] <LjL> meh
[21:41]  * ikonia puts tsimpson on standby
[21:41] <ikonia> Trudell: what brings you to this channel today ?
[21:42] <Trudell> why i was banned this time?
[21:42] <ikonia> Trudell: because your ban had not been lifted in the channel and you where evading it
[21:42] <tsimpson> *this time*? you were never unbanned!
[21:42] <Trudell> why? i'm not invading
[21:42] <ikonia> "evading"
[21:42] <ikonia> as in "dodging"
[21:43] <Trudell> i cant understand you
[21:43] <ikonia> Trudell: I'll try to explain
[21:43] <ikonia> Trudell: the other day you where banned from a lot of channels, including #kubuntu
[21:43] <ikonia> the ban was never removed
[21:44] <ikonia> so you are getting past the ban
[21:44] <ikonia> so you have been removed from the channel while the ban is updated
[21:44] <mneptok> Trudell: why did you change the ident of your IRC client?
[21:44] <tsimpson> and you keep changing you IP
[21:44] <Trudell> why not?
[21:44] <tsimpson> and nick
[21:44] <Trudell> whats the matter?
[21:44] <tsimpson> to evade bans
[21:44] <elky> uh... is that the real esr?
[21:44] <tsimpson> and you know what you're doing because you join and say "<Trudell> I'm here again :-P"
[21:44] <Trudell> i think that you all are been stupid
[21:45] <Trudell> why not?
[21:45] <ikonia> Trudell: that's fine - you're welcome to that opinion, the problem is you are banned from the channels so need to stay out of them
[21:45] <Trudell> its prohibited to join in kubuntu channel?
[21:45] <ikonia> Trudell: for you - yes
[21:45] <tsimpson> evading bans is against freenode policy, which you agree to by connecting to freenode
[21:45] <Trudell> why for me?
[21:46] <ikonia> Trudell: because of your bad behaviour - the behaviour that got you banned
[21:46] <tsimpson> because you refuse to follow the rules
[21:46] <Trudell> a lot of persons have problems with karmic kernel
[21:46] <ikonia> Trudell: no-one is disputing that
[21:46] <Trudell> a lot of unsolved bugs
[21:46] <ikonia> Trudell: no-one is disputing that
[21:46] <Trudell> so you said that i was trolling
[21:46] <ikonia> you where
[21:46] <Trudell> well
[21:46] <tsimpson> you spamming the our channels is tolling, yes
[21:46] <ikonia> you where not reporting a bug, you where just shouting miss-leading information to put users off using ubuntu
[21:47] <ikonia> Trudell: when asked to stop you joined other channels and did it
[21:47] <tsimpson> you coming in here and saying "<trudell> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux." is trolling, yes
[21:47] <ikonia> you also insulted users in this channel
[21:47] <Trudell> so i report bugs or not?
[21:47] <ikonia> Trudell: no
[21:47] <Trudell> why trolling, isnt true?
[21:47] <ikonia> Trudell: it is
[21:48] <Trudell> users not, you ops
[21:48] <Trudell> wwll ubuntu isnt freedom expression?
[21:48] <ikonia> Trudell: your behviour is unacceptable, you do not stop when asked and then told to - so you cannot join the channels at this time
[21:48] <tsimpson> if you think it's OK to act like that, then we don't want you in our channels
[21:48] <ikonia> Trudell: no, ubuntu is an linux based distribtuoin
[21:49] <tsimpson> "freedom of speech" is a poor excuse for being abusive
[21:49] <Trudell> what ubuntu signs?
[21:49] <Trudell> i'm not abusive
[21:49] <Trudell> ops are not commom users
[21:49] <tsimpson> what's your point?
[21:50] <Trudell> you are offended by what I said to you and not other users.
[21:51] <tsimpson> no, I'm not offended. it's against channel rules and we are the ones who enforce that
[21:51] <Trudell> so what's the rules?
[21:52] <tsimpson> !guidelines > Tabmow
[21:52] <tsimpson> !guidelines > Trudell
[21:52] <tsimpson> Tabmow: sorry
[21:52] <tsimpson> !guidelines > Trudell
[21:53] <Trudell> I think this is personal between you and I operators.
[21:53] <Tabmow> np
[21:53] <Trudell> I think this is personal between you operators and me.
[21:54] <Trudell> ubuntu has lost its meaning with the attitude of you operators.
[21:55] <tsimpson> feel free to not use #kubuntu
[21:55] <Trudell> i'm free
[21:56] <topyli> Trudell, for the record, "us operators" have nothing against you personally, none of us. please listen to what people are saying to you and i'm sure everything will work out and you will be able to re-enter any ubuntu channel you like
[21:56] <Trudell> your anger only makes the kubuntu worse.
[21:56] <Trudell> tsimpson: your anger only makes the kubuntu worse.
[21:57] <tsimpson> if you don't feel you can discuss this with me, there are other operators here who you can discuss it with
[21:58] <Trudell> so why you care?
[21:59] <Trudell> theres no reason to i be banned
[22:00] <MenZa> lol
[22:06] <MenZa> there really isn't much point arguing with this one.
[22:30] <jpds> The attacks cannot be halted.
[22:31] <topyli> very sorry about talking to ljl here what i should have said in pm. no excuse for that, just sorry
[22:40] <niko> +r for some minutes isn't a bad idea ..
[22:40] <tsimpson> wheegnawl is another bot
[22:42] <jpds> niko: Deal.
[22:42] <jpds> Err, done.
[22:45] <niko> for the moment they continue
[22:46] <jpds> Yoda, stop being.
[23:05] <niko> always under attacks.
[23:09] <Pici> btw, it looks like that is the real esr.
[23:33] <ikonia> whois esr ?
[23:34] <topyli> raymond
[23:34] <ikonia> what has he got to do with the attack ?
[23:35] <niko> always under
[23:35] <MenZa> wait, ESR?
[23:35] <MenZa> wat
[23:36] <Pici> ikonia: nothing, he was in the channel asking an ubuntu question.
[23:36] <ikonia> ahh
[23:36] <ikonia> wires crossed
[23:44] <tsimpson> ikonia: do we still want +r?
[23:46] <tsimpson> there are nearly 70 people in -unregged
[23:47] <topyli> speaking of esr, as a very new newbie in 1997 or so, i was trying to configure fetchmail and failed. since esr is the maintainer (or was at the time), i simply wrote him email saying "your software must be buggy, it doesn't work" or something to that effect
[23:48] <topyli> he kindly replied right away, "i don't think fetchmail is very buggy, it's been quite stable for years no. please find a local linux user group, and have a good time"
[23:48] <tsimpson> someone please set -r #ubuntu, it's been over an hour
[23:48] <topyli> something like that
[23:50] <Pici> ...
[23:50] <niko> there is a lot of dcc spam bot arround
[23:50] <tsimpson> ok, someone is watching
[23:50] <niko> i will inform you when attack stop
[23:51] <Pici> niko: thanks
[23:53] <tsimpson> there must be someone/a bot watching #ubuntu for the -rR
[23:54] <niko> tsimpson: no, it's a network - wide attack
[23:55] <tsimpson> niko: I forgot that -unregged is +m, so they can't attack there (hence why I didn't see anyone trying to)