[00:08] apachelogger: btw, ubuntuone-client-kde packages in my ppa [00:26] cool http://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/konqueror-icon-setting-tvs-ablaze [00:28] best thing about that story is it links to one of my first contributions to KDE, the KDE on 24 story http://jriddell.org/24-kde.html ! [00:30] I didn't even catch that last night when watching either [00:30] haha [00:36] guys, after reading the TIMELORD project, i would like to help. is there anything i can do? [00:50] brmassa: depends on what you're into [00:50] brmassa: testing, coding, packaging, bug triaging, documentation, user support all needing done [00:51] Riddell: hen jonathan! im a programmer, so i can do some work on this. and i since i dont use KDE in Brazilian Portuguese, i didnt know that translations were a problem. so i can also work on that === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [00:53] Riddell: well... except user support, i might help basically on anything. so the question is now: what is lacking MOST? [00:53] Riddell: what task one extra hand will do the most difference? [00:54] brmassa: right now I could do with some testing of the koffice packages just published on kubuntu.org [00:54] Riddell: i just tried to install... but its missing a package... [00:55] brmassa: wv? [00:55] Riddell: "kword-kde4: Depends: libwv2-4 but it is not installable" [00:55] brmassa: try again; sudo apt-get update [00:58] Riddell: aha! its now installing. what specifically should be analysed? [00:59] brmassa: that it installs is the first step, so we fixed that problem :) [00:59] brmassa: that it runs is next [00:59] and then I go to sleep === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [01:00] apachelogger: according to the Amarok hacking texts, m_installGui would be preferred for member variables (http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/blobs/7e1f785d5faf0d32ad4370ee494acbef84e966df/HACKING/intro_and_style.txt) [01:01] Riddell: i mean.... its a basic "all programs in the suite are working!" kinda test? i will try them... [01:01] brmassa: yep [01:01] brmassa: going to sleep now but leave your message here. then hang around and you'll find things needing done [01:02] Riddell: ok so. nite [01:03] JontheEchidna: have you removed kdepim-runtime-libs4 from kdepim-runtime ? [01:04] Lex79: yeah, I followed debian in that regard [01:04] KOFFICE 2.1: the app icons now returned to be images of objects instead the abstract geometric shapes. its desirable? [01:10] KOFFICE 2.1: KPresenter are not showing images (only shows a grey box) AND they are not saved/loaded again. [01:10] JontheEchidna: we have still libmaildir4 (in kdepim) transitonal package which depends on kdepim-runtime-libs4 :( [01:11] Lex79: that should be changed to kdepim-runtime [01:11] ok I'm going to change that [01:12] actually [01:12] you could probably remove the transitional package altogether [01:12] !info libmaildir4 hardy [01:12] Package libmaildir4 does not exist in hardy [01:13] yeah, you can drop that [01:13] well, I'll drop :) [01:13] supported upgrades this release are hardy -> lucid and karmic -> lucid [01:13] and the package is already transitional in karmic [01:14] brmassa: It would be helpful to report all the koffice bugs you may find to bugs.kde.org. Thanks for testing. [01:14] We don't directly develop KOffice, but I'm sure the KOffice developers would appreciate the feedback [01:15] JontheEchidna: ok. but the icon changes i believe its a Kubuntu packaging thing right? [01:16] I don't think so. [01:16] JontheEchidna: ok so. i just tought it was. all bug-related stuff to bugs.kde.org so... === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:10] JontheEchidna: I and we have a big problem :( I can't start kde after upgrade because kde4libs is built against qt beta and not rc1 [02:11] see the log please http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36012588/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A4.3.3-0ubuntu3_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz [02:17] ryanakca: knmap will need to wait until a new upstream version to sync. Once we have a different md5sum for a particular tarball, it can't be changes. [02:17] changes/chagned [02:22] ScottK: have you seen that buildlog? ^^ kdelibs is built on qt beta instead rc, and now I can't start kde, binary incompatible [02:23] Lex79: I haven't perhaps I can take a look at it in a few hours. [02:24] thank you [02:30] JontheEchidna: just reporting back that KOffice2.1 is working quite fine on KJaunty. all specific bugs were reported on kde bug tracker === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === yofel_ is now known as yofel [04:33] nixternal: You around? [04:33] i am now it seems [04:34] hehehe [04:35] Can you check this doc that I'm about you send you? I want to make sure it falls within standards. [04:41] sure [04:41] it's 6 or 7 pages [04:41] i may not do it tonight, but i can at least do it tomorrow [04:41] Okay [04:42] I'm looking to see if that is even the right style that you guys are looking for or if im missing something. === jwisser is now known as logipunk === vorian_ is now known as vorian [08:20] * ghostcube mentions karmic is bad release [08:20] :) [08:20] ehlo peoples [08:21] the first time ever i needed to reinstall 2 machines after upadting from an ubuntu version [08:21] o.o [08:21] nah 3 if i include the mac from yesterday [08:25] i pray for lucid to work fine again [08:27] ewww [08:27] qt creator does not fit on my netbook screen [08:27] oh my [08:27] rofl === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [10:29] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/11/giving-up-the-gimp-is-a-sign-of-ubuntus-mainstream-maturity.ars [10:29] :) [10:29] awww [10:39] isn't F-Spot a Mono-based application? [10:43] is [10:43] what about it? [10:46] ah was just wondering, I'd thought I've read somewhere that there was no Mono in the default install [10:46] Sput: we dont ship fspot in kubuntu :D [10:47] Sput: yes no mono in default _kubuntu_ install (: [10:48] libmono2.0-cil is already default in Ubuntu, Edubuntu and UNR it seems [10:48] shame on them all [10:52] why is tomboy so important? [10:52] :P [11:21] jussi01: especially since you can have kjots, knotes, basket... [11:21] :D [11:24] can someone explain to me something about usability? [11:25] string freeze is crawling in KDE [11:26] and, I don't know how I should show to users how to use feature in kwin theme [11:28] Tm_T: for what is it? [11:28] B2 theme has ability to move the titlebar [11:28] and there's shortcut to do it manually if you don't like the automation [11:29] but the shortcut is not easy to know so I would like to explain it to users somehow [11:29] hmm [11:29] I guess the userbase of B2 would understand it... [11:30] possibly, it's shift+drag and AFAIK copied from original BeOS and all later incarnations [11:30] but I feel somehow dumb to not tell it at all [11:31] is there a ui element for the moving? Then it could be in the what's this text [11:31] mgraesslin: only ui element to toggle automove on and off [11:31] in settings [11:33] difficult [11:33] it doesn't fit perfectly to set it on the what's this text of that checkbox [11:33] but well if there is a text explaining what automove means it could be added [11:37] "When selected, titlebars are automatically relocated to visible positions otherwise, they are only moved manually." [11:38] hmm, "only moved manually by pressing shift and drag with mouse." ? [11:40] no, that's not right... [11:40] I hate explaining things sometimes [11:42] yep know that one [11:42] I always try to find a natural speaker for it [11:43] I just add "manually using shift+drag." [11:47] committed, back to figuring out build issues === Xand3r_ is now known as Xand3r [12:49] Quintasan|Szel: ping [13:00] Riddell: Looks like kde4libs built against the old Qt4 due to lack of epochs in the build-depends. I have a fix ready unless you're about to upload or something. [13:01] ScottK: go ahead [13:01] there's probably others which did the same [13:01] Will do. [13:01] epoch... such nice [13:01] No doubt, but getting kdelibs right is a good start ... [13:02] Besides, that's the one Lex79 asked me to look into ... [13:03] I'm trying to work out the latest kdepim build failure [13:04] * ScottK nods. [13:04] kde4libs uploaded. [13:05] NCommander: qt4-x11 looks like it's in need of some porting help. [13:10] kde4-config: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZN9QHashData13detach_helperEPFvPNS_4NodeEPvEPFvS1_Ei [13:10] well, that would explain it [13:10] best wait for kde4libs to compile with new qt then [13:10] I'll check for others that I missed the epoch on in the mean time [13:11] Riddell: ah, that's the Qt BC issue [13:18] JontheEchidna: You could use kubuntu-ppa project for bugs for KNH until it enters the archive. [14:01] maco: Pulseaudio causes problems galore with sound in KDE applications like Amarok and Dragonplayer, and unless the pulseaudio stack from coling is in KDE 4.4 it should *not* be used. [14:02] Get yourself informed upstream at KDE, please [14:02] yes i know you have claimed many times that it breaks in kde [14:02] im just saying blueskaj is dead wrong to say that it replaces your sound drivers [14:03] well, take that discussion to PM or elsewhere, but don't discuss that in the support channel, please [14:04] maco: also, you should know better that these discussions do not belong in #kubuntu, please respect the guidelines [14:04] accusing people of lying is not a good idea anyway, never is [14:05] im telling him in pm but he doesnt care to learn how it works, just wants to keep spreading the misinformation he got i dont know where [14:05] but that pulseaudio replaces the sound drivers *is* an untruth [14:06] maco: it overwrites the alsa settings of Phonon, that is not a lie but the sad trouth [14:07] and currently you can't just deactivate pulseaudio [14:07] which is clearly a flaw in the pulseaudio design [14:07] but since no pulseaudio dev ever cared for KDE before... [14:07] luckily coling did take care of, so it should be solved once KDE 4.4 is out [14:08] heh i removed pulseaudio while at uds because i couldnt get a DVD to play right, and Riddell and rgreening were there and i fgured they'd start blaming pulse, so i needed to show it was just as fubar with or without [14:08] currently Pulseaudio needs too much tweaking to make it run, and you can't expect plain users to spend 30-60 minutres rewriting their configuration files, so Pulseaudio in Kubuntu currently is a no go [14:08] * maco snorts [14:08] uh huh [14:08] right [14:09] "set them all to use pulse by default" is sooooo much tweaking [14:09] it only breaks if you try to mix some stuff to pulse and some to not-pulse in the multimedia settings [14:09] maco: don't be stubborn, read the kde-core-devel malining list, and the phonon ML too so you really know what this is about, please [14:10] I have spent the last 6+ months driving mad with debugging users who inadvertently got pulseaudio installed and lost all sound in KDE [14:10] I am sick of it, really [14:10] or i could just let you all keep saying everything's boken with pulse in horrible ways that magically dont ever happen on either of my laptops [14:10] and NO, i do NOT have tech support from dan [14:11] maco: form what I have read in your blog you did a lot of tweaking with your BF to get puleaudio work with KDE, so stop it [14:11] i did? [14:11] where the heck did i say that? [14:11] yes, you did, don't remember your own bolg posts? [14:11] blog* [14:11] apparently not [14:12] currently Pulseaudio should not be used with KDE in Jaunty or Karmic, period. [14:12] all ive done is set everything in multimedia settings to use pulse [14:12] it's not adapted to, and it causes more problems than anything else [14:13] it's pointless to defend Pulseaudio in those releases, really, I am just sick of spending hours and hourse on debuggin people because of that [14:13] * txwikinger is saddened by the fact that his favorite country music station was shut down while he was at UDS [14:13] * apachelogger giggles [14:13] country [14:13] well ive got no alsa config files, there is a .pulse but i have no idea what's in there so never touched it, and i've reinstalled at least twice since becoming single, so... [14:14] i am the only admin of my machine. he has not tweaked it. [14:14] apachelogger: It serious! nothing to giggle about [14:15] the only mentions of pulseaudio i recall having on my blog are umm...mythtv on hardy...and the last 2 releases "how to remove it" [14:15] txwikinger: triue [14:15] * apachelogger makes serious face [14:16] * txwikinger wonders if he should start a petition with the PM about this [14:16] * txwikinger looks in the Canadian Charter of Rights if there is a right to listen to Country music [14:17] lets see... others include a workaround for a bug in jaunty alpha that has since been fixed, a "hey look dan has a blog", a post about swfdec, and a mention that pulseaudio was installed if you used the Kubuntu DVD with jaunty [14:17] nope, nothing about tweaking it to work with kde. it did that on its own. [14:18] maco: pulseaudio is installed here [14:18] it also breaks on its own :P [14:18] apachelogger: the sound drivers usually help with that ;) [14:18] true that [14:18] but it always falls back to the other driver since pulseaudio fails [14:18] but hey, Mamarok also claims gstreamer is the devil, so... i think its just a bunch of NIH [14:19] maco: gst support in phonon is indeed phony though [14:19] well.. a devil maybe... but *the* devil? [14:19] apachelogger: wouldnt that be phonon's problem, not gstreamer's? [14:19] the devil is python though :P [14:19] * txwikinger agrees with that [14:19] maco: I don't think I said that, but as it is buggy as hell and doesn't work well with KDE... [14:20] maco: couldn't say, last I had to do with gst was when they completely raped their api apart from 0.9 to 0.10 [14:20] not a nice thing to do really [14:20] I guess most of our problems will be solved once we have the vlc backend [14:20] oh god, vlc failed HARDCORE at playing that DVD [14:20] totem with gsteamer was the closest thing to working [14:20] gst in Canada is a tax [14:20] because ubuntu probably tempered with it :P [14:20] maco: works fine here [14:20] but since I don't mix Gnome stuff into my KDE... [14:20] maco: libdvdcss is the answer to all them problems [14:21] this was a very problematic DVD [14:21] apachelogger: i had it installed [14:21] Riddell: it played on dan's computer! [14:21] that is weird then [14:21] * apachelogger never saw any of his 7 dvs fail with dvdcss :P [14:21] maco: very problematic and illogical DVD [14:21] maco: maybe a hardware problem? [14:22] * txwikinger has no sound on 2 of 3 karmic machines [14:22] kaffeine&dragon with xine played the BBC intro then said end of disc and stopped when they got to where the DVD menu should be. with gstreamer, they did nothing [14:22] and switched off sound on the 3rd one :D [14:22] VLC showed image & sound for 1/2 a second, then just went blank and silent for 5-10 seconds, then a blip of movie... [14:22] * txwikinger thinks computers make far too much noise [14:22] Q: How many Kubuntu developers does it take to play a DVD? A: At least one more than they had on hand. [14:23] totem-gstreamer and mplayer played it with working sound but the image was all garbled (funny colors and like i had my glasses off) [14:23] * txwikinger wonders if he should upgrade his wife's laptop.. .she always wants to watch DVDs [14:23] ScottK: they didnt have me :P [14:24] * apachelogger is pretty good at doing illegal things :P [14:24] ahhhh i want my window manager back! [14:25] maco: kwin --replace & [14:25] that's the trouble. kwin is running [14:25] maco: larswm --replace & [14:25] xmonad's not installed yet [14:26] * maco waits for the 1008 packages that come after a reinstall to finish [14:35] how can you fix dbus when it runs mad with 100% cpu usage? [14:56] argh. the device notifier mounter plasmoid popped up when i plugged in eSATA drive before. now i reinstalled from amd64 to i386 and it doesnt. lovely. [15:00] check lshal before and after to see if it reaches that level [15:00] JontheEchidna: for k-n-h, why a separate settings pane? can't it just be part of the system notifications? [15:10] I could have made the DVD work, but It would have required me installing the lat [15:10] laptop clean... [15:10] and Im sure that wasn't an option. [15:10] :P [15:24] yuriy: Well, technically if you didn't use the "ignore forever" button on the notifications you could stop the notifications completely in a roundabout way from the regular notifications config [15:25] But it's quite difficult to get to if you don't know what you're looking for. [15:26] And once you do find it, you have to roundabout-ly disable it by unchecking all the ways it can notify you [15:26] well, that's only one way for us, but yeah [15:26] From a coding point of view it's hard to disable the notification using only the settings given to us from KNotify [15:27] which would really be deleting the settings for the notification entirely, which isn't very nice either [15:28] This is different than most applications in that the feature itself is the notification, whereas in most applications the notification notifies about a feature [15:29] In a nutshell, the knotification api is too limited for what we are trying to do + the System Settings interface it gives for notification control is too complex for our usecase. [15:30] ok. how about a better name for that then "helper notifications"? that sounds weird [15:30] what are they helping? [15:31] *than [15:31] I have been trying to think of a better name there. [15:31] They are presenting notifications for Kubuntu's system services that help you run your system [15:32] Any suggestions would be appreciated. :) [15:33] "Service Notifications" maybe? [15:34] If only the sidebar icons could have multirow text... [15:34] If they did I'd probably name it "Kubuntu Service Notifications" [15:38] http://identi.ca/notice/15509736 [15:38] Nightrose: ^ [15:39] apachelogger!!!! [15:39] *kiss* [15:40] i'll try it as soon as i get home [15:41] JontheEchidna: something like kubuntu notifications is tempting, but that's almost as much a technical detail as "helper" === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:41] yeah, I decided against that since using Kubuntu would really just be improperly using branding and not adding any detail at all [15:46] maybe just something like "other" "more" or "additional"? since contextually they really just belong in system notifications [15:47] ScottK or Riddell: can you retry kdepim? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/4:4.3.3-0ubuntu3 [15:47] yuriy: hmm, I quite like that idea [15:49] JontheEchidna: when I've time, can I add pot italian translation to k-n-h? :) [15:50] Lex79: go right ahead, just be aware that some strings may change [15:51] good [15:52] I'll tell you when there are any changes, and we can string freeze soon anyway. [15:53] On that note, I remembered that I wanted to make a post to kubuntu-devel ml asking for code review, maybe I'll ask for string review too [15:54] ok [15:55] At the least after the review we can enter partial string freeze where only new strings can be added. [15:56] Lex79: I think pimlibs needs done first. [15:57] (which I just retried) [15:58] right, pimlibs is ftbs, I saw now [16:11] If only we could get these people to write documentation: http://kubuntuguide.org/Karmic [16:15] JontheEchidna: need a review, I hear? [16:15] JontheEchidna: Anyone ask them? [16:16] amichair: yeah, code/string review of: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-notification-helper/trunk [16:16] ScottK: probably not, which would be the main problem here I suppose [16:16] Dunno what would happen if they were asked, but the odds of them saying yes, can't go down. [16:17] * amichair used kubuntuguide.org extensively in his first year or two of kubuntuing. concise and useful. excellent site. [16:18] yeah i liked ubuntuguide.org when i started [16:29] JontheEchidna: I heard u mention you prefer 'restricted-license' instead of 'restricted' (I agree) - if so, the config checkbox needs to be updated as well [16:30] well, it's not limited to license-restriction but also patent restriction [16:30] But yeah, gotta find something better for that [16:31] yay i have my window manager back! [16:32] i think i can deal with a broken kdm until i get back on the amd64 system [16:32] JontheEchidna: want to take review comments/discussion to a separate channel? [16:32] amichair: i.e. private? [16:32] here is quite fine :) [16:33] I mean, if you feel that you need to discuss something privately by all means you can PM me, but as part of Kubuntu here is quite appropriate for discussion of KNH [16:34] m_hookCheckBox and m_installCheckBox could use a rename... they don't quite convey what they are [16:35] e.g. m_upgradeInfoCheckBox and m_restrictedCodecCheckBox or something like that [16:36] that could be applied to a lot of places, actually [16:38] For the daemon we have an InstallEvent class which spits out the notifications for restricted codec availability [16:38] and HookEvent for the upgrade hooks [16:39] JontheEchidna: I'll start off by apologizing if I may seem nitpicky or direct... I strive for high/strict code standards myself, so I'm just saying what pops up as I see it :-) [16:39] oh, nitpicking is exactly what I'd like. I'm a bit obsessive-compulsive over it too [16:40] great :-) [16:40] then I think by all means you should rename everything to match what it is. readability makes maintainability. [16:40] guys i got the non plus ultra 80 mm fans for my pc [16:41] 4 times noctua 80 mm :O [16:41] 53 m³ air per hour [16:41] :D [16:41] the very long and mostly-descriptive function names in gnome are the only thing that make their utter lack of comments bearable [16:41] Upgrade hook is the technical name for the upgrade information, so I'm not too sure about changing everything for that. [16:41] I do agree that m_installCheckBox is undescriptive, however. [16:42] as is using Install* for class names, etc [16:43] it doesn't always have to be long and cumbersome... that can be bad too. it just has to require least amount of effort for the reader, and be least error prone or confusing [16:45] JontheEchidna: 'upgrade hook' would be ok too... 'hook' not as much. a hook can be any huge number of things, even in a small context [16:46] sounds reasonable [16:46] of course I'm not used to kubuntu-specific nomenclature, so if anything I say doesn't make sense, I'm probably wrong :-) [16:48] Basically all of our python apps are a weird mix of gnome-style method naming and kde-style method/variable naming [16:48] but maybe you knew that already ;-) [16:49] Otherwise we try to follow KDE coding principles [16:50] well it usually doesn't matter as long as it's consistent. The wording in a name is more important than using camelcase vs underscores. [16:51] as for separate-line braces.... well... I won't go down that path just yet :-P [17:04] JontheEchidna: dont touch my classes :P === manny__ is now known as mannyv [17:05] yours you can do evil things to, not mine [17:05] my poor baby events [17:06] who's responsible for deleting a KNotification instance? [17:06] the knotifcation [17:22] JontheEchidna: does upgrade hook always require a restart? [17:23] Hooks never require restarts, I don't believe [17:23] there's a notifyrc file which claims otherwise [17:24] oh, that's because it was a copy/paste from [Restart/Event] [17:25] oh, ok then :-) [17:25] but, good catch, since it would show up as restart in system settings [17:25] (in the main notification config where you can tweak things) [17:26] great, now that I know my time is not wasted, I can continue :-) [17:27] apachelogger and Riddell: Did you scribble on JontheEchidna's kubuntu-dev application? [17:30] JontheEchidna: "Ignore" vs "Ignore Forever" is a bit confusing, it's not apparent what "Ignore not forever" would do [17:33] JontheEchidna: at least not immediately. maybe they should be contrasted by different wording [17:33] What would you suggest? [17:33] trying to think of a good alternative [17:33] strings are harder than they seem [17:33] How long does ignore (not forever) ignore for? [17:34] ignore (not forever) ignores until the event happens again [17:34] How about 'Ignore for now'? [17:34] or 'Ignore this time' vs 'Ignore always' [17:35] That's work. [17:35] That's/That'd [17:36] I like that too [17:38] the i18nc context message should reflect the difference too [17:42] Would it be better to separate the context and string arguments of an i18nc in all cases or just in cases where the line would be > 90 chars wide otherwise? [17:43] I know this is not a support channel, but can someone explain the way, audio devices are definied in kubunutu, to me? I have a Creative XFI Titanium and i cant configure in- and output devices properly. How are HAL, Alsa, phonom and kde working together?? Where can I define/configure the devices listed in the multimedia-settings? [17:44] JontheEchidna: u mean a linebreak? [17:44] * ScottK looks at seicherlbob's quesiton and suggest maco needs to write some docs. [17:44] amichair: yeah. If I have i18nc("my comment", "string); that's over 90 chars wide I would linebreak after the comma [17:45] as long as you indent properly :P [17:45] I'd line it up with the first argument^ [17:45] ScottK: well... i could need some good docs. But everywhere i look, it says, this and that is an audio-backend.... but how do they work together?! and where the hack can i configure the auio devices listed?! This is driving me crazy [17:46] the question is, should this be done for all lines or just the too-long ones as necessary? [17:46] JontheEchidna: it's no different than any method call... if too long, break it up and indent (whatever ur guidelines define as continuation indent) [17:46] Right, thus we need some docs. [17:46] That are actually sensible and usable. [17:46] JontheEchidna: I'd say there's no point in breaking perfectly readable lines [17:47] Kate automagically takes care of indention <3 [17:47] ScottK: too bad most developers hate writing docs, because you loose time to go on developing... [17:47] seicherlbob: This is true. Also sound is a very complex subject and not that many people know enough to write about it correctly. [17:48] JontheEchidna: it's just like any other method call. u break when necessary. [17:49] ScottK: the statement about the "complex subject"... i absolute agree with that. i got no clue where to start... anyway, you dont know a thing about it, do you? [17:49] I know enough to ask experts. [17:49] JontheEchidna: while you're at it, that startDetached line can use a break too :-) [17:49] That's why I highlighted maco in my first reply to you. [17:49] hehe, yeah. Got that one ;-) [17:51] ScottK: thanks ;) [17:51] JontheEchidna: I'm thinking the exists(reboot-required) check should be encapsulated in RebootEvent, no? [17:52] (bottom of NotificationHelperModule) [17:53] amichair: that's getting into apacheloggerdesign (tm), I'd consult him for that [17:53] just like ApportEvent:show() does it's own check... [17:53] apachelogger: ^^? [17:54] they are different by design [17:54] the apport check depends on another application, whereas the reboot one does not [17:55] anyhow, since technically the memory aquired by the rebootevent could be swapped at some point it is sensible to not trigger any calls into it unless necessary [17:55] which is also what I would do for apport, if only it would not depend on another application [17:56] generally the event the should handle the event and no more than that, the check in apportevent just wouldnt justify its own class, which is the only reason it is indeed part of ApportEvent [17:56] apachelogger: each type of event might have it's own specific checks, why not encapsulate them in the events? maybe even in a common Event method (i.e. hasSomethingToShow of sorts) [17:57] apachelogger: checked the google doc and fixed a few typos - looks very good [17:57] amichair: because they are not event related [17:57] the condition the event [17:57] Nightrose: also understandible? [17:57] most important that is :D [17:58] apachelogger: i think so - i got a little lost in the last 2 paragraphs but otherwise very clear [17:58] yeah, I lost focus towards the end, which is the reaon I just stopped :) [18:01] DarkwingDuck: great job on netbook.xml...only thing I see, is we need to add a couple of entities for 'Kubuntu Netbook Remixe' and 'KNR' for you...it is no longer called the Kubuntu Netbook Edition :) though you got it down well it looks [18:02] Nightrose: thanks for the revu :) [18:02] *hug* [18:02] :) [18:17] ok... though if u want to make it more generic in a future release, I think it can turn out quite nice [18:17] apachelogger: u can have each event implement it's own specific initialization/condition/execution methods, and have the module treat them generically as a simple 'dumb' container, without knowing any specifics about the events [18:18] so adding new types of events boils down to just implementing the event subclass [18:18] it can be nice :-) [18:23] ScottK: i dont actually know much about phonon. when dan taught me about the audio stack, i still used gnome [18:24] i can point to a crazy looking chart that dan showed last UDS [18:28] JontheEchidna: I see hookevent also has equivalent ignore options... maybe they should all be standardized [18:28] I just standardized the ignore options for all event-based classes [18:28] JontheEchidna: cool [19:00] JontheEchidna: the hook parser has a bunch of issues, but before getting into them, isn't there an existing rfc822 parser we can use? [19:01] Yeah, hook parser is probably the worst part of the app, even after it was cleaned up a bit :P [19:02] doesn't any kde lib export this functionality? it's used in many places... [19:02] I've not looked too hard. I would imagine that the kdepim apps might use one [19:03] what with email being rfc822 [19:03] and, um, rfc822 being email :-) [19:03] yeah [19:04] JontheEchidna: feel like looking for it? or wanna fix the impl? it's not that hard, but reusing working code is always better :-) [19:06] Reusing existing code would be the best long-term solution, but both that and fixing the current impl aren't on the top on my Todo list, so to speak [19:08] contributions towards either are welcome [19:08] JontheEchidna: lol... I google "kde rfc 822 parse", and what do I see at the bottom? [19:09] * JontheEchidna whining about how I don't know of one? :D [19:09] yep! [19:09] JontheEchidna: :-D [19:12] maybe http://api.kde.org/4.3-api/kdepimlibs-apidocs/kmime/html/classKMime_1_1Content.html [19:12] I was just looking there :-) [19:12] or more specifically, in KMime::Headers [19:14] lots of classes under KMime::Headers [19:15] http://api.kde.org/4.3-api/kdepimlibs-apidocs/kmime/html/classKMime_1_1Headers_1_1Base.html aren't inheritance graphs fun [19:27] is there a code snippet anywhere in sight? [19:28] so that's a single header line...ok... [19:30] KMime::Headers::Generics::Unstructured.... getting closer... === christophe is now known as kriz === kriz is now known as kriss === kriss is now known as binarylooks [19:52] JontheEchidna: noob q: how do I make the project? [19:52] amichair: mkdir build; cd build; cmake ../ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr; make; sudo make install [19:54]