[00:05] <Scunizi> JakeSays: K > Applications > System > kPackagekit
[00:17] <hyperboreean> ah man, karmic sucks, I am switching back to whatever works :(
[00:18] <dtchen> PC DOS works awesome.
[00:19] <hyperboreean> yeah, I might get windows for a change :P
[00:19] <hyperboreean> no, I hope debian works
[00:21] <m_tadeu> hi there...a friend of mine has a problem in kopete and kmail. when he tries to write ã, it shows ~a...what's wrong?
[00:22] <dtchen> wrong altgr keymap? third-level chooser?
[00:22] <dtchen> dead keys broken?
[00:30] <m_tadeu> how should it be set?
[00:56] <PFA> hi, my computer just crashed and i lost a picture i was working on. sans the nags about backing up, is there any possible way i could get to it? it was on kolourpaint
[01:00] <clifton> hi all
[01:01] <clifton> how do i install adobe-flashplayer as a plugin for mozilla?
[01:01] <dtchen> clifton: enable the Canonical partner repository and install it
[01:01] <clifton> how do i do that?
[01:03] <clifton> in Adept Manager?
[01:04] <dtchen> I'm afraid I'm not the best person to ask for Kubuntu-specific GUI tools
[01:04] <dtchen> the more convoluted manner is to edit /etc/apt/source.list, update, and install
[01:04] <dtchen> sources.list *
[02:31] <Roasted> hey guys - question - when I apply themes, it only applies to the panel. I want the theme to take over EVERYTHING like it does in gnome. How can I do that?
[02:50] <XinoGami> hola a todos, soy nuevo en esto... espero no perderme
[02:50] <maco> !es | XinoGami
[03:10] <rav> hello. since i upgraded to karmic, I can't pair my laptop with any bluetooth devices, is this a known issue?
[03:15] <Roasted> Hey guys - just installed Kubuntu - And thunderbird/xchat have sooooo small of a font its unreadable. I changed ALL font settings in KDE up but theyre still small as ever. How can I fix it?
[03:21] <Roasted> rav - I dont see them man. This aint workin :/
[03:21] <Roasted> rav - I can set the font size up but it only shoots up the text body of the email, not the menus or anything.
[03:22] <Roasted> rav - I didnt have this problem in gnome, so this happening in kde made me thought it was a setting in KDE - I beefed them all up and it didnt change thunderbird or xchat at all.
[03:23] <rav> Roasted: i've never used thunderbird. firefox does have a package that integrates it into KDE, I assume thunderbird has something similar
[03:25] <Roasted> rav - are you a whiz with dual screen monitors in kde?
[03:25] <rav> Roasted: no
[03:31] <Roasted> okay
[03:32] <Roasted> rav - I set up dual boot on my main rig with ubuntu 9.04 and kubuntu 9.04. both on nvidia 180 drivers. kde gave me hell, my 2nd monitor wouldnt hit the proper resolution. gnome was fine. I ended up copying the xorg over from gnome and it was fine. I was trying to figure out what back fired with kde cause I dont see how kde would have done naything to effect it. Its still linux. Its still nvidia 180 drivers. Its still the X server, etc.
[03:49] <Scunizi> My desktop folder widgit has nothing in it.. on a different install it shows a folder for Home and the trash can.. how do I display the same thing on this install?
[03:57] <dillon> hello
[03:57] <dillon> i am having problems installing kdenlive, was wondering if anyone had time to help me a little bit
[03:58] <Scunizi> dillon: you doing it from the repos?
[03:59] <dillon> i looked at the official site and i am trying to install from the ppa repos the site listed
[03:59] <dillon> (for 0.7.6 release instead of the 0.7.5 in the kubuntu repos)
[04:00] <Scunizi> dillon: well.. if you've listed the repos in the package manager and updated then the latest version should replace the older version in the normal repos.  That's about the best I can do.
[04:02] <dillon> ok let me refresh the package list as there seems to be some bug fixes available...
[04:02] <Scunizi> dillon: do you know what the differences are between the two versions? is it significant enough to do this?
[04:03] <dillon> well the way it was worded on the site made it seem significant :D but i didnt look into any change logs lol
[04:04] <Scunizi> might not be worth the pain if you know what I mean.
[04:05] <dillon> yeah, its still a no go, says package dependencies could not be met... i believe i'll look for a change log to see if its worth the trouble
[04:06] <Scunizi> that's the trouble with some ppa's.. you just never know..
[04:07] <dillon> what if i reverted back to the kubuntu repos, and let it install the dependencies for that version, then tried the ppa one again?
[04:08] <Scunizi> might work or just make a huge mess of it.
[04:08] <dillon> ha yeah true
[04:11] <s2r> hello
[04:12] <dillon> hi there
[04:12] <s2r> Is there any way to use kubuntu to recover ntfs ACL?
[04:12] <s2r> I use kubuntu in a couple of vmware images however I didn't try to use it as a recovery cd
[04:13] <dillon> whats ACL
[04:13] <s2r> ntfs file permissions
[04:13] <dillon> oh
[04:13] <s2r> where an owner and user file permissions are specified
[04:14] <s2r> I don't know what kind of options does ntfs-3g offers from kubuntu livecd
[04:14] <Scunizi> s2r: if nobody here can answer try in #ubuntu or ##linux
[04:14] <s2r> I about to burn the image right now
[04:14] <s2r> Scunizi: ok, thanks
[04:14] <Scunizi> np
[04:15] <dillon> sorry i havent messed with ntfs-3g enough to be of any help
[04:16] <s2r> thanks anyway.
[04:18] <neomantra82> hi all, just upgraded my desktop from 8.10 to 9.10.  upon booting up i get a black screen.  i can boot into the "recovery mode" kernel and get a command line but haven't found any useful threads via googling that might help me fix this.  any ideas?
[04:18] <neomantra82> i'm using nvidia drivers
[04:19] <Scunizi> are the drivers you're using downloaded direct from the nvidia site?
[04:19] <s2r> do you installed the drivers provided fron nvidia?
[04:19] <s2r> oops... what Scunizi said.
[04:20] <neomantra82> no it was whatever came in the kubuntu repositories
[04:20] <RoastedTiresX> Guys - my font size on xchat and thunderbird is unbearably small. How can I change it? All other font is fine.
[04:21] <neomantra82> Scunizi: but it was the proprietary driver from the ppa repository though...not the open source
[04:24] <neomantra82> oh, n/m i've had some luck.  renaming /etc/X11/xorg.conf to something else (e.g. /etc/X11/xorg.conf.corrupt) seems to have gotten me back into KDM at least
[04:27] <Scunizi> neomantra82: don't use the driver from a ppa.. if you have to go outside the repo's use the one from nvidia's site.
[04:29] <neomantra82> Scunizi: ppa may have been the wrong term.  i just went to the kmenu, selected the system settings "hardware drivers" option and enabled the proprietary drivers.  i was just able to restore the desktop environment by renaming the xorg.conf.  going to try re-enabling the nvidia drivers now
[04:29] <Scunizi> neomantra82: yea.. xorg isn't really used anymore.. if it's there it will override xrandr but if not written correctly then you've got problems.. like you experienced.
[04:32] <neomantra82> Scunizi: well what's odd is that i never customized it or did anything special with that file prior to upgrading so how did it get goofed up to start with?  :-/
[04:33] <Firefishe> I just updated to 9.10 from 9.04 using the synaptic upgrade tool.  The upgrade got botched in the middle of the endeavor, so I had to use a combination of upgrade and dist-upgrade on the command line.  I'm pretty sure I've stabilized now, but I need to get my sources.list file to a normalized state, without all the unnecessary entries that the upgrade tool failed to re-do.  I need help doing this.
[04:33] <Scunizi> neomantra82: probably didn't get goofed up.  just wasn't written correctly for the latest release..
[04:37] <Scunizi> Firefishe: here's mine.. it's clean .. http://pastebin.com/f786d932
[04:37] <Scunizi> or should be anyway
[04:39] <Firefishe> Scunizi:  Thanks, I'll look it over.
[04:39] <Firefishe> I appreciate it.
[04:39] <Scunizi> Firefishe: np..
[05:04] <Scunizi> ok.. I put a link to /var in my Desktop Folder.. now I want to get rid of it.. should I just trash it.. seems like it wants to move the actual /var to the trash
[05:04] <Scunizi> still there.. no worries.
[05:04] <tsimpson> Scunizi: deleting the link will only delete the link
[05:06] <Scunizi> tsimpson: thanks. .that's what I found out..  I'm new to kde and finding the newer incarnation pretty nice.. been with gnome for 5 years..
[05:17] <poyntz> hi folks. how do you change the kde panel?
[05:17] <poyntz> as in, how do you change its colours, etc?
[05:17] <poyntz> or its icons
[05:17] <poyntz> i know you can change height, autohide, etc by going to panel options.
[05:18] <Erthe> Right click your desktop
[05:18] <Erthe> Go to Desktop Settings
[05:18] <Erthe> Select your Theme (or download new ones)
[05:21] <poyntz> Erthe: thanks. how do I get new themes? i'm guessing I can get them at kde-look.org, but no idea what to look for
[05:21] <Erthe> Look to the right of the drop down
[05:21] <Erthe> There's a button, New theme
[05:21] <Erthe> Click it.
[05:21] <Erthe> Have fun.
[05:22] <poyntz> Erthe: thanks
[05:22] <Erthe> np
[05:22] <Erthe> It downloads content from kde-look.org
[05:22] <Erthe> Most of the visual display settings in KDE follows suit
[05:22] <poyntz> next question, cairo-dock starts up twice on start up. i checked autostart and there's only one instance of cairo-dock there. please help
[05:23] <Erthe> Uh, I don't use cairo-dock.
[05:23] <poyntz> :/
[05:23] <poyntz> it's good, i recommend it
[05:23] <poyntz> except it has it's problems in kde
[05:23] <poyntz> 1 of which i mentioned
[05:24] <Erthe> My plasma desktop is far more than enough
[05:24] <poyntz> also it has issues with shutting down kubutntu, the trash applet, etc
[05:24] <Erthe> http://imagebin.ca/view/QxAiTQEz.html
[05:24] <Erthe> See?
[05:24] <poyntz> Erthe: yeh, you could load everything out of a panel if you liked, but i prefer a dock :P
[05:24] <Erthe> I don't load software out of a panel.
[05:25] <Erthe> I load it from plasmoids.
[05:25]  * poyntz doesn't know what a plasmoid is
[05:26] <Erthe> See the four little boxes on the top left?
[05:26] <poyntz> ah
[05:26] <Erthe> They're quick-launch plasmoids.
[05:26] <poyntz> ah k
[05:26] <Erthe> You can run a panel-less desktop if you wanted to and use only Plasmoids to tie it all together.
[05:27] <poyntz> so they're not desktop icons?
[05:27] <Erthe> Nope, there is no desktop per se.
[05:27] <poyntz> yeh, i've learned that lol
[05:27] <Erthe> You can set your desktop to Folder View if you want.
[05:27] <poyntz> when i installed kubuntu-desktop i was thinking where tf is the desktop gone haha
[05:27] <poyntz> yeh, that thing lagged my comp so i got rid of it
[05:28] <Erthe> But it's a trade off for some features.
[05:28] <poyntz> i added a desktop folder quickstart for dolphin/konqueror/etc.
[05:28] <poyntz> annoying that i had to do it for each program individually
[05:29] <poyntz> but it becomes an issue when you're saving things in konqueror and you have to select folders to save files to
[05:29] <Erthe> I copy menu items to a folder
[05:29]  * poyntz doesn't understand what that means
[05:29] <Erthe> Then I use Quick Access to view that folder
[05:29] <Erthe> From the launch menu (k menu)
[05:29] <poyntz> ahhh
[05:30] <poyntz> yeh, to each their own i guess. (likes kmenu)
[05:30] <Erthe> The most important thing is having the option to do it any way you want.
[05:30] <Erthe> With KDE4, I finally have a desktop that I can do that with.
[05:31] <poyntz> i'm used to gnome, so i've set up the interface too look like mine did on gnome, ie, classic menu, disabled many of the kde effects, or selected new ones, etc.
[05:31] <poyntz> Erthe: surprised you couldn't do it in gnome/xfce :/
[05:31] <Erthe> I'm... not a fan of GNOME
[05:31] <Erthe> XFCE is nice on a server for a light X display.
[05:31] <poyntz> Erthe: I haven't noticed anything particularly different about kde desktop over gnome
[05:32] <Erthe> Uh, there's a *lot* that's different.
[05:32] <poyntz> Erthe: yeh, gnome is naturally ugly
[05:32] <Erthe> All the "widgets" you put on your panels in KDE are widgets you can put right on the desktop.
[05:32] <poyntz> Erthe: you have to customize gnome a fair bit to get it looking nice
[05:32] <Erthe> Hence, Plasmoids
[05:32] <Erthe> I'm interested in usability, not really appearance.
[05:32] <poyntz> Erthe: ah k. but apart from that. and all the new apps kde offers, what's different
[05:32] <Erthe> Though I think KDE is much better looking than GNOME now.
[05:33] <poyntz> yeh, kde looks awesome
[05:33] <Erthe> For starters, the file dialog doesn't suck in KDE
[05:33] <Erthe> That's my #1 reason for not using GNOME
[05:33] <poyntz> file dialog?
[05:33] <Erthe> File -> Open
[05:33] <Erthe> That file selector
[05:33] <Erthe> I don't know what they were thinking
[05:33] <Erthe> It's crippled imo
[05:33] <poyntz> Erthe: you mean, nautilus
[05:33] <Erthe> No.
[05:34] <Erthe> Run a gnome app, like gedit
[05:34] <Erthe> Then do file -> open
[05:34] <Erthe> That file selector is part of GNOME
[05:34] <poyntz> Erthe: i got rid of most of them :/
[05:34] <Erthe> And it's HORRIBLE
[05:34] <poyntz> Erthe: i figured no point keeping them, if i'm using the kde equivalents
[05:34] <poyntz> Erthe: what's horrible about it tho?
[05:34] <Erthe> The only GTK apps I use are GIMP, Firefox and Eclipse (and that's GTK through SWT)
[05:34] <poyntz> Erthe: to me its the same
[05:35] <Erthe> No, no no no
[05:35] <Erthe> They're really not the same.  :D
[05:35] <poyntz> Erthe: apart from that widgit thing you mentioned. but to me it doesn't make a difference if it's on the panel or on the desktop, or on my dock
[05:36] <poyntz> and I had the same dock on gnome :P
[05:36] <poyntz> i'd say some key pointers are dolphin, over nautilus (single click is way better than double click)
[05:37] <poyntz> konqueror is cool, and sometimes a good substitute for firefox
[05:37] <poyntz> amarok is awesome
[05:37] <poyntz> and the desktop looks nice
[05:37] <poyntz> but apart from that i don't see the big difference
[05:37] <Erthe> You can configure your mouse settings to be single or double click across the board.
[05:37] <Erthe> fyi
[05:37] <poyntz> synaptic, and kpackagekit are the same imho
[05:38] <poyntz> Erthe: oh
[05:38] <poyntz> Erthe: nice
[05:38] <poyntz> Erthe: i'm pretty new to kde, so there's probably a lot i haven't discovered yet
[05:38] <poyntz> ps, i hate dragon player
[05:38] <poyntz> <- spent so long trying to get the thing to work
[05:38] <Erthe> Integration between everything in KDE is cleaner than GNOME.
[05:39] <poyntz> - and the fact there's no output when you run it in konsole doesn't help
[05:39] <poyntz> Erthe: please give an example
[05:39] <Erthe> DnD support has always been better in KDE, I find.
[05:39] <poyntz> !DnD
[05:39] <Erthe> IO slaves make my life very very happy.
[05:39] <poyntz> !info DnD
[05:39] <Erthe> Drag and Drop
[05:40] <poyntz> ah k
[05:40] <Erthe> haha
[05:40] <poyntz> Erthe: it hasn't for me. I can't drag and drop properly in KDE, it won't let me
[05:40] <Erthe> What version of KDE are you using?
[05:40] <poyntz> Erthe: the latest
[05:40] <poyntz> Erthe: 4.3.2
[05:40] <poyntz> Erthe: more specifically, the trash can doesn't do its job properly
[05:41] <poyntz> Erthe: I can't DnD things into the bin
[05:41] <Erthe> That's possibly a bug.
[05:41] <Erthe> Works fine on this end.
[05:41] <poyntz> Erthe: yeh, it's crap
[05:41] <poyntz> Erthe: DnD is one of my fav features of the desktop :P
[05:41] <Scunizi> what's DnD?
[05:41] <poyntz> Erthe: it mainly only affects cairo tho
[05:42] <poyntz> kde compatibility isn't built into cairo like gnome compatibility is
[05:42] <Erthe> The funny thing is, I've become so used to doing things the way I do them now with KDE 4 that I've kind of forgetten why I liked having a desktop.
[05:42] <poyntz> yeh. it's no bigger. it looks cleaner without one
[05:42] <poyntz> *biggy
[05:42] <poyntz> my desktop is untidy anyhow
[05:43] <Erthe> You can still have a desktop folder display, there's a plasmoid for it.
[05:43] <poyntz> yeh, i kno. like i said, it was lagging my comp
[05:43] <Erthe> Do you have a 3D video card?
[05:43] <poyntz> i've been forced to use kde like gnome, because my comp isn't built for it's default features
[05:43] <Erthe> Ah, rgr
[05:44] <poyntz> Erthe: I have an nVidia GeForce Go 7400
[05:44] <Erthe> RAM?
[05:44] <poyntz> Erthe: but it's old school. good for games and such
[05:44] <poyntz> my comp is 4 years old
[05:44] <poyntz> and it's a laptop
[05:44] <poyntz> it worked perfectly on gnome and xfce
[05:44] <poyntz> best on xfce
[05:44] <poyntz> that's why i'm dualbooting with DreamLinux
[05:45] <poyntz> for RAM, I have no idea
[05:45] <poyntz> don't know how to check either
[05:45] <poyntz> but still, I just disable a few features and kde works fine
[05:45] <Erthe> cat /proc/meminfo
[05:45] <Erthe> Sometimes I think I have too many effects enabled.
[05:45] <Erthe> My desktop tends to be quite animated.
[05:46] <Erthe> But...
[05:46] <poyntz> lol
[05:46] <Erthe> My box handles it very smoothly.
[05:46] <poyntz> yeh i still have effects
[05:46] <poyntz> don't get me wrong
[05:46] <poyntz> they're just similar to the gnome effects I had enabled
[05:46] <poyntz> like wobbly windows, minimize, alt+tab, etc.
[05:46] <Erthe> Move your cursor to the top left corner of the screen and hold it there, I think present windows is on by default at that screen edge.
[05:46] <Erthe> Try it, it's fun  :D
[05:46] <poyntz> and I changed the splash screen to kubuntuVisual because it's simpler
[05:47] <poyntz> Erthe: yeh, cool feature!
[05:47] <poyntz> Erthe: that's a nice bonus of kde
[05:47] <Erthe> That and web shortcuts  :D
[05:47] <Erthe> Hit Alt-F2 and type gg:KDE
[05:47] <Erthe> Hit enter.
[05:47] <poyntz> Erthe: if you're referring to the widgets, again, they're crap for me because they're slow
[05:48] <Erthe> No no.
[05:48] <poyntz> Erthe: neat, didn't kno about that
[05:48] <Erthe> Web shortcuts are a way to query searchable websites or online databases without very much typing.
[05:48] <Erthe> :D
[05:48] <RoastedTiresX> Erthe!
[05:48] <Erthe> wp: is Wikipedia
[05:48] <Erthe> Roasted, what's up man?
[05:48] <RoastedTiresX> not a lot dood
[05:48] <poyntz> ey Erthe no idea which bit of the meminfo is the bit about ram. can I grep anything?
[05:48] <RoastedTiresX> still tinkering in KDE land
[05:49] <Erthe> First line poyntz, MemTotal
[05:49] <Erthe> That's RAM + Swap
[05:49] <poyntz> Erthe: 1025052 kB
[05:49] <Erthe> Or, maybe total physical
[05:49] <Erthe> Now that I look at it.
[05:49] <Erthe> So you have a GB of RAM
[05:50] <Erthe> RoastedTiresX: Ya, that happens for a while  :D
[05:50] <poyntz> Erthe: that's crap i take it? :P
[05:50] <Erthe> Not really.
[05:50] <RoastedTiresX> Erthe - I'd like to pick your brain for a minute when ya get the chance (if you dont mind)
[05:50] <Erthe> It's limiting in certain ways obviously, but it's not crap.
[05:50] <Erthe> RoastedTiresX: Sure, I'm up for another 15 min.  :D
[05:51] <poyntz> Erthe: it's crap when i try to have widgits running
[05:51] <poyntz> Erthe: and by minimal effects, for example, there's two alt-tabs effects. the default makes big windows be swapped on alt+tab, the other has a small little window open which switches apps which is a lot faster
[05:52] <dillon> omg i hate tabbed browsing
[05:52] <poyntz> i swapped to the second
[05:52] <RoastedTiresX> you do?
[05:52] <dillon> i wish it was never invented
[05:52] <RoastedTiresX> dillon - Id be lost without tabbed browsing :(
[05:52] <poyntz> dillon: do you have a dock?
[05:52] <Erthe> I love tabbed browsing with Konq
[05:52] <dillon> lol sometimes i just have so many open!
[05:52] <RoastedTiresX> lmao
[05:52] <RoastedTiresX> it happens man!
[05:52]  * poyntz prefers selection off a doc than tabs
[05:53] <poyntz> clicking crap is so cool!
[05:53] <dillon> haha not a big fan of docks to get into that discussion lol
[05:53] <poyntz> gah, noone here is a dock person :/
[05:53] <Erthe> If I wanted to have the features of OS X, I'd buy a mac
[05:53] <poyntz> really?
[05:54] <poyntz> you'd pay all that, just to have those features?
[05:54] <poyntz> and who says i want the features of a mac? all I want's the dock :P
[05:54] <poyntz> windows 7 has a dock now as well :P
[05:54] <poyntz> (they probably don't call it that but it is)
[05:55] <poyntz> it docks applications, which makes it a dock
[05:55] <dillon> haha im actually thinking about trying out a dock now
[05:55] <poyntz> !cairo-dock | dillon
[05:55] <poyntz> dillon: don't use awn, unless you've got an ultra fast cpu
[05:55] <poyntz> ..and ram to boot
[05:56] <dillon> whats a good one to use
[05:56] <dillon> anything native to KDE?
[05:56] <poyntz> awn's a resource hog
[05:56] <poyntz> dillon: not that i kno of
[05:56] <poyntz> dillon: but cairo-dock is my favourite dock. i've tried three: awn, wbar and cairo
[05:56] <poyntz> wbar is crap
[05:57] <poyntz> wbar isn't really a dock either...
[05:57] <poyntz> it's just called a dock
[05:57] <poyntz> it's more of a launcher
[05:57] <dillon> hmmmmm...someone should make a dock plasmoid
[05:57] <dillon> i'd use it
[05:57] <dillon> lol
[05:57] <dillon> imposter!
[05:58] <dillon> im about to play around with some plasmoids and see if i can't get some sort of pseudo-dock-ish thing going
[05:58] <poyntz> if you were going to install wbar, you'd just use kde panel to launch your apps
[05:58] <poyntz> docks are good because they dock applications
[05:58] <dillon> oh i see
[05:58] <poyntz> (and they look snazzy)
[05:59] <dillon> i was actually thinking about this earlier today
[05:59] <poyntz> but cairo is sexy, because if you have mutliple windows open, etc, things pop up that let you choose between them etc. it's hard to explain...
[05:59] <poyntz> it's just sexy
[05:59] <poyntz> you'd have to try it out to know what i'm talking about
[05:59] <dillon> well sort of, i was thinking about emulating the windows 7 panel/dock, but, no dock in KDE lol
[06:00] <poyntz> dillon: cairo is alot like the windows 7 dock, but it looks like a mac dock
[06:00] <poyntz> dillon: it acts more like the windows 7 dock tho
[06:01] <poyntz> dillon: imho the windows 7 dock is more functional that the mac dock but the mac one looks sexier - and cairo has the benefits of both
[06:01] <poyntz> dillon: but you can customize it to look like your windows 7 dock if you like. it's very customizable
[06:01] <dillon> you sound like your'e selling me a dock :P
[06:01] <poyntz> haha
[06:01] <poyntz> i just love it
[06:02] <poyntz> i was on awn for a while, thinking god i wish they fixed this and fixed that. then i found cairo-dock which did it for me
[06:02] <dillon> hmmm. i just found kooldock in the repos
[06:02] <dillon> !kooldock
[06:03] <dillon> lies!
[06:03] <poyntz> dillon: Alt+F2, gg:linux best docks or something
[06:03] <poyntz> cairo-dock and awn will be at the top
[06:03] <poyntz> personal preference which you'd like better
[06:03] <dillon> have you seen kooldock?
[06:04] <poyntz> nope
[06:04] <dillon> check it out its native to kde
[06:04] <dillon> ive never seen it before either so i dunno if its any good
[06:05] <dillon> seems to be a remnant of kde 3....
[06:06] <poyntz> yuk
[06:06] <poyntz> it looks rank
[06:06] <poyntz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlExu8Za0Vs
[06:06] <poyntz> reminds me of wbar
[06:06] <dillon> haha
[06:07] <poyntz> and by the video, i'm guessing it's not a dock but a program launcher
[06:07] <poyntz> better to stick with kde panel :P
[06:07] <poyntz> that's just judging by the clip tho
[06:07] <poyntz> actually i take that back
[06:07] <poyntz> it's definitely a dock
[06:07] <poyntz> it just looks crap
[06:08] <poyntz> (in the vid at least)
[06:08] <dillon> ok enlighten me on the difference between the two if you will
[06:08] <dillon> dock and program launcher that is
[06:08] <dillon> oh ok
[06:08]  * poyntz should do a youtube video convering all the features of cairo, but it will take too long!!!
[06:09] <poyntz> honestly, i'd give a few a shot
[06:09] <poyntz> i'm not going to fiddle around installing new docks when i'm happy as is, unless something comes out which is actually better than cairo-dock and comes out for kde
[06:09] <dillon> yeah don't blame you
[06:10] <poyntz> (but i'm guessing that a kde version of cairo will come out before that happens :P)
[06:10] <poyntz> so i'll prob never end up switching from cairo
[06:10] <dillon> if i was a coder id make a nice kde dock
[06:10] <dillon> someone should
[06:10] <dillon> it seems a pretty big feature
[06:11] <poyntz> just picture this, very customizable... you can virtually make it look however you want it to look, and it practically does everything you want it to, and if it doesn't there'll be plugins etc you can add to it to make it do what you want it to
[06:11] <poyntz> if they do that for another dock they're doing well
[06:11] <poyntz> the only criticism i have of it since moving to kde is that it's not fantastically kde compatible
[06:11] <poyntz> it worked better in gnome
[06:12] <poyntz> but most of it's features still work brilliantly
[06:13] <poyntz> anyhow, i'm going to shoot off. all the best with your docks
[06:13] <dillon> yeah
[06:13] <poyntz> thanks all for the support
[06:13] <dillon> alright before you go
[06:13] <poyntz> ciao!
[06:13] <poyntz> yeh?
[06:13] <dillon> check out this page
[06:13] <dillon> http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=111
[06:13] <dillon> it talks about some docks
[06:13] <dillon> alright cya
[06:14] <poyntz> will do
[07:43] <noaXess> have a fresh install of karmic 9.10 64bit.. if i start amarok, no other application has sound.. amarok blocks sound
[07:58] <bloody> hi, what do i need to do to be able to start .jar files with the java command? i already tried the java 6 runtime environment but that didnt add the java command
[08:27] <protocow_> java -jar "program-name.jar"
[10:13] <bigbrovar_> is there a way i can my multimedia keys to work with amarok on kde?
[10:14] <noaXess> how can i find out, what touchpad driver is used.. the touchpad works, but i can't disable it..
[10:25] <^kenhoob-it1> hello
[10:25] <^kenhoob-it1> how prevent kde to always run programs used in the previous session? help
[10:25] <^kenhoob-it1> lo amichair !
[10:28] <llutz> ^kenhoob-it1: systemsetting - sessionmanagement
[10:29] <^kenhoob-it1> llutz what field?
[10:29] <llutz> ^kenhoob-it1: if you don't like restored sessions, don't save them
[10:34] <noaXess> !nfs
[10:46] <jtholmes> what process displays the notification when you insert a usb drive or  DVD etc.
[10:48] <tsimpson> jtholmes: it's plasma
[10:56] <^kenhoob-it1> where is the trash on kde?????????
[10:57] <tsimpson> in trash:/
[10:58] <tsimpson> ~/.local/share/Trash/ is the directory on disk, but use the trash:/ interface, as meta-data is stored for each file/folder in there
[10:59] <^kenhoob-it1> ok thanks
[11:14] <^kenhoob-it1> how can prevent windows to bounce everytime I drag them near desktop edges?
[11:14] <^kenhoob-it1> no happens on gnome
[11:22] <Tm_T> ^kenhoob-it1: bounce? you mean snap?
[11:24] <^kenhoob-it1> Tm_T bounce back, rebound, ricochet... don't know what is more correct ;-)
[11:25] <^kenhoob-it1> and why cannot remove desktop bars?????
[11:25] <Tm_T> ^kenhoob-it1: hmm, it's somewhere in window behaviour settings
[11:25] <Tm_T> ^kenhoob-it1: please use just one "?"
[11:26] <^kenhoob-it1> ok I added a bar on top but I cannot remove it !!
[11:26] <^kenhoob-it1> the field "remove" is grey...
[11:28] <^kenhoob-it1> Tm_T how can remove this bar?
[11:29] <Tm_T> ^kenhoob-it1: there should be possibility in menus, more than that I cannot explain right now
[11:33] <^kenhoob-it1> Tm_T I mean I can't neither simply move this new bar while I can move the previous. why?
[11:35] <^kenhoob-it1> how can I configure kde desktop to be more similar to gnome?
[11:37] <^kenhoob-it1> I tryied kde 4 but it seems to be very poor: no desktop icons neither bars... why?
[11:38] <etreus> you can use the desktop like gnome
[11:39] <etreus> click on desktop with the right buton of mouse , then select desktop activity
[11:43] <jizhao> ls
[11:43] <jizhao> w
[11:58] <^kenhoob-it1> etrus you refer to kde4 or 3? I use the second
[12:06] <dan____> test
[12:11] <jtholmes> tsimpson, thanks was away for a while
[12:30] <ray_> hello
[12:31] <ray_> after installing Epiphany with synptic, why can't find it in applications menu?
[12:31]  * ^peter^ wonders that also
[13:16] <flying-sheep> could somebody please confirm bug 188764 or bug 200259
[13:16] <flying-sheep> ?
[13:21] <ghostcube> anyone the link for the nvidia packages not official included in karmic
[13:21] <ghostcube> its an launchpad link
[13:47] <acemo> how do i mount the raid filesystem from a live cd?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[13:50] <Xand3r> hello, since to day i have a realy strange problem, no mp3 file i can play with amarok, kaffeine or dragonplayer. still works with vlc
[13:50] <Xand3r> what could be the problem?
[13:50] <Xand3r> yesterday everything worked fine
[13:50] <BluesKaj> did you update since ?
[13:51] <flying-sheep> could somebody please confirm bug 188764 or bug 200259?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Xand3r, I use vlc for all media anyway
[13:51] <skramer_> hi, I seem to have problems using my webcam with kopete 0.80.2
[13:51] <Xand3r> BluesKaj: i had no sound befor and after the update this morning
[13:51] <skramer_> does anybody know which protocols support webcam in kopete
[13:52] <skramer_> and point me the right direction how to get it to work, please?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> flying-sheep, this is not the pace to confirm bugs ..try launchpad
[13:52] <Xand3r> BluesKaj: it sems that no kde app could play mp3 but libxine1-ffmpeg is installed
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Xand3r, pulseaudio ?
[13:53] <Xand3r> what is with that?
[13:53] <flying-sheep> the bug is old and nobody confirmed it, so i thought if somebody who is around and has the rights to do it could do it
[13:53] <Xand3r> BluesKaj: it is installed, shuld i remove it?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Xand3r,have you checked pulseaudio/
[13:54] <Mamarok> Xand3r: you should not use Pulseaudio with KDE, no
[13:54] <Xand3r> ok thx Mamarok
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, it works with more onboard cards it seems , the pci cards don't work well with PA
[13:55] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio tries to replace detected kernel modules
[13:55] <Xand3r> but why pulse is preinstalled if it dont works?
[13:56] <oversize> hi, trying to update to karmic since a few days. but it always fails, showing me this: http://dpaste.com/124946/  what could i do or what am i doing wrong? I run kubuntu 9.04 and use the updatenotifier part that comes with kde.   almost all other files are downloaded successfully, said the updater.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> and creates a mess
[13:56] <maco> i dont think i want to try to figure out what BluesKaj just said
[13:56] <skramer_> I know that in previous versions under KDE 3.5, you could use webcam for MSN
[13:56] <skramer_> but now under KDE 4, I don't find a way t make it work
[13:57] <skramer_> although the settings window shows the cam and I can see myself
[13:57] <skramer_> there is nothing like "send my webcam" or "receive webcam"
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Xand3r, it's political, there's a developer with an agenda who has the ear of some of the decision makers, and has convinced them to make PA the default soundserver
[13:57] <maco> *ahem*
[13:58] <maco> gnome upstream uses Pulse and shipping different default configs between Ubuntu and Kubuntu is a pain in the arse
[13:58] <Xand3r> BluesKaj: thats grate -.-
[13:58] <maco> BluesKaj: watch it, youre talking about my roommate
[13:58] <maco> you're also talking out your rear
[13:58] <maco> it replaces detected kernel modules? what?
[13:58] <Mamarok> Xand3r: it's not preinstalled in Kubuntu at all,  but maybe some metapackage dragged it in
[13:59] <Xand3r> Mamarok: thats mad^^
[13:59] <Mamarok> Xand3r: well, you can remove it easily: sudp apt-get purge pluseaudio*, then remove the $HOME/.kde/sahre/config/phonondevicesrc file
[14:00] <Mamarok> also remove any .alsaconf or asound.conf in your home folder, then restart KDE
[14:00] <BluesKaj> maco , I don't apreciate your choice of wors , you can disagree all you want ..I'm speaking from observation and experience ..if you don't like what I say insults aren't going to convince me
[14:00] <Mamarok> Phonon should then do a basic Alsa configuration
[14:00] <maco> BluesKaj: you're lying though
[14:00] <maco> BluesKaj: maybe if you started telling the truth...
[14:00] <Mamarok> BluesKaj, maco: that does not belong here, please take that to PM or to -devel
[14:01] <maco> BluesKaj: pulseaudio does not replace kernel modules. alsa is still there, always, because pulseaudio is not a driver. it is JUST a sound server. it lives on top of alsa
[14:02] <BluesKaj> maco, right and most setups don't need another soundserver , alsa works just fine by itself
[14:02] <Xand3r> Mamarok: ok i'll try it, if something broken you have to repair it^^
[14:02] <noaXess> have a fresh installed karmic.. and thunderbird 2.. now in the attachment properties i can't handle attachment actions.. i know, i need a additional package.. but not which one :)
[14:02] <Mamarok> BluesKaj and maco: last time, please take your discussion elsewhere, this is not support relevant
[14:02] <noaXess> !thunderbird
[14:02] <Mamarok> Xand3r: you can talk to me in #amarok.de, too :)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> maco, in essence pa does confuse the soundsetup
[14:02] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: stop it, please, now!
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, good point , but I've been accused of lying
[14:03] <Mamarok> just stop it, talk in PM if you want to, but keep that out of here
[14:04] <Luggage> short question about kubuntu/linux, I know my windows will just get a seizure if I try to boot it after exchanging motherboards, will kubuntu be able to adapt to such a drastic change or is a fresh install also the better option for linux after new motherboard&cpu?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> no pms , not interested
[14:05] <Mamarok> Luggage: you will have to reinstall too, most likely, since the existing installation has the kernel adapted to your old Hardware
[14:05] <noaXess> found it: thunderbird-gnome-support
[14:05] <Luggage> okay thanks Mamarok, good to know before I start doing anything :)
[14:06] <Mamarok> but I guess using a Live CD and use the repair mode should be enough, since it's just about loading the correct kernel modules
[14:06] <Mamarok> Luggage: ^^
[14:07] <oversize> my update-notifier fails to download these packages and aborts the upgrade to karmic. where do i have to put these files: http://dpaste.com/124946/ so that the updater does not have to download them anymore?
[14:07] <Luggage> well I'll do a fresh install, I got 9.04 running but have the iso for 9.10 here, just didn feel like upgrading, dont 'fix' it if it isn broken you know, does everything I want and fine .
[14:07] <Luggage> but if I need to do a fresh install anyway its the perfect excuse to plop in the 9.10 disc when I get my new hardware
[14:09] <BluesKaj> oversize, in the terminal : sudo do-release-upgrade
[14:10] <BluesKaj> oversize, if the error persists, sudo dpkg --clear-avail
[14:10] <Xand3r> hey Mamarok there is no pulseaudio installed, only libpulse0
[14:11] <BluesKaj> oversize, then sudo do-release-upgrade , again
[14:11] <Xand3r> and if i try to purge libpulse0 apt wants to remove thousend of packages
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Xand3r, just purge pulseaudio in the terminal
[14:13] <Xand3r> BluesKaj: sudo aptitude purge pulseaudio, removes nothing
[14:13] <Mamarok> Xand3r: ok, that you can't remove
[14:13] <Xand3r> Mamarok: thats realy mad
[14:13] <ok>  Xand3r, ok then it's not installed
[14:13] <Mamarok> push the pulseaudio entry in Systemsettings -> Multimedia to the bottom, remove the file(s) I told you earlier and restart KDE
[14:13] <Xand3r> i whant amarok playing the mp3
[14:14] <Xand3r> Mamarok: it is on the button
[14:14] <Mamarok> Xand3r: read what I just wrote or take this to #amarok or#amarok.de, please
[14:14] <Xand3r> it had never an other place
[14:14] <Xand3r> Mamarok: kk
[14:14] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:15] <Luggage> Xand3r is the problem that it has another app as default to open mp3? (sorry only got part of the conversation)
[14:15] <Mamarok> Luggage: I take care of it, thx :)
[14:16] <Luggage> ah just asking because I only found where to pick what app gets used a day or 3 ago ^^
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Xand3r, check to make sure you have ffmpeg installed . It's most likely installed but one has to check the obvious sometimes
[14:25] <Xand3r> BluesKaj: libxine1-ffmpeg is installed
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Xand3r, no ffmpeg by itself
[14:28] <BluesKaj> look in /usr/bin for the exe
[14:35] <vasile> hi
[14:36] <vasile> e cineva aici ?
[14:36] <vasile> eee?
[14:37] <Mamarok> vasile: English, please
[14:37] <Mamarok> !es | vasile
[14:43] <Benkinooby> hi, how can i see wich application is using wich sound server (pulseaudio, alsa,....). my problem is taht sounds works fine and vlc works to... but sometimes it doesnt work at all. then i log out and login again... it works. amarok always works, even if vlc doesnt work
[14:46] <tolstoi> salut all
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby, try your sound without pulseaudio
[14:52] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: if i will do so, i will not be able have more than one "soudn source"
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby, are you mixing various sounds into a file ?
[14:55] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: nope, but i often use skype and amarok or vlc in the same time
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ok ,then you're stuck with pulseaudio
[14:55] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: i did some tests, but my resuts are not constant
[14:56] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: right now, i can use amarok and skype int he same time perfeclty
[14:56] <Benkinooby> perfectly
[14:56] <BluesKaj> skype uses PA as it's default soundserver
[14:57] <Benkinooby> so amarok works, skype too but now vlc is worring me... it sounds like a noob dj is "scrathing" on my songs :/
[14:57] <Benkinooby> little bit like lag :P
[14:57] <Benkinooby> sometimes youtube kills my sound totally
[14:58] <Benkinooby> so i was wondering, if it is the sound server, and why not to use alsa sound server
[14:59] <Benkinooby> but i know messing with sound in linux is always pain, so i wanted to look for experience & advice... a allrdy went trough all the ubuntu-forum articles about sound, soundsystems, sound servers to know, that there are many factors.
[15:00] <Benkinooby> what keeps me thinking is, that i don'thave a "contant" problem...
[15:00] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: what sound server do you use?
[15:01] <Benkinooby> the default pa
[15:01] <Benkinooby> ?
[15:03] <^kenhoob-it1> system monitor shows cpu = -20% !!! why?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby, alsa ..but I was corrected by maco ..said it's not a soundserver , but it works on my setup where pulseaudio doesn't
[15:05] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: afaik alsa is a sound system and also alsa is a sound server
[15:06] <Benkinooby> (got it from german ubuntu forum http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Soundsystem )
[15:06] <BluesKaj> well , you know how some ppl are , make one little mistake in wording and you are called names;0
[15:06] <Benkinooby> so alsa means both, the driver and the sound server
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby, dunno for sure, but if it plays the role of a soundserver then I would say it is one
[15:10] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: for me seems to be a problem of the soundserver, beacause some apps don't work, while others do
[15:10] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: so you are able to run two sound apps. in the same time?
[15:12] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: hmmm, i think i got it... not usre
[15:12] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: due to the fact, that vlc is giving 70% of all my sound problems i looked at vlc again
[15:13] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: some where hidden in the settings of vlc i can set the out put mode
[15:13] <Benkinooby> it was set to ALSA... i set it to default... no works nice :)
[15:13] <Benkinooby> no = now
[15:14] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: F*ck
[15:14] <maco> Benkinooby: no swearing
[15:14] <Benkinooby> doesn't work :/
[15:14] <Benkinooby> maco: sry
[15:16] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby, yes i can , asamof if you check the alsa wiki , you'll see this line "handling of multiple sound devices in a system"
[15:16] <Benkinooby> cahnged it back to alsa (for in vlc preferences) works again
[15:18] <Benkinooby> now vlc is the only thing that works
[15:18] <Benkinooby> :/
[15:18] <Benkinooby> i think i'll go for alsa as soundserver
[15:18] <Benkinooby> hope skye will deal with it
[15:19] <BluesKaj> skype requires PA I think
[15:21] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: it looks for it, but if there is no pa it will go alsa
[15:21] <Benkinooby> (from ubuntu forum)
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby, is there a way to use skype without PA ?
[15:22] <utkat> hey all
[15:22] <Benkinooby> i am quoting form the ubuntu forum (translating from german to eglish for you):  "in case pa is not installed, skype will use alsa directly"
[15:22] <BluesKaj> i don't use skype personally ...my kids do but if they want to talk , they can call me on the phone :)
[15:23] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby, really , that's encouraging
[15:23] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: i also use skype to call my parents :P
[15:24] <utkat> i use skype to call my home
[15:25] <BluesKaj> I tried to get it to work on karmic but had no success , it won't pickup my voice and i tried several setups with headset , but no luck
[15:26] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: i also had some pain with the headset
[15:26] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: i finally managed
[15:26] <Benkinooby> Blues
[15:27] <teodoro> how can I record my desktop in kde?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> well, I have a portable phone on my desk here and we have a practically free longdistance plan , so I don't feel the need to have skype
[15:28] <utkat> i got this good doc for GNOME
[15:28] <BluesKaj> the OT cops will be here soon :)
[15:28] <utkat> sorry blog, if you wish to read it
[15:28] <BluesKaj> utkat, url ?
[15:28] <utkat> http://www.reddit.com/tb/9z2xk/
[15:30] <utkat> Instanbul, for desktop recording
[15:37] <Bios_> http://pastebin.com/m770fa87c I tried also the !intelhda tutorial no successes
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Bios_, aplay -l
[15:40] <Bios_> still the same as in the pastebin (row 10) BluesKaj
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Bios_, have you checked alsamixer in the terminal ? mo mutes or vol ctrls at low volume
[15:42] <BluesKaj> no mutes
[15:42] <Bios_> well currently the sound is working
[15:43] <Bios_> but from time to time there is the crash message i mentioned in the first row in the pastebin ... afterwards there is no sound till a reboot
[15:43] <Bios_> so i dont think it has anything to do with a mute?!
[15:49] <Benkinooby> Bios_: welcomen to the club of sound-slaves
[15:49] <Benkinooby> try this:
[15:49] <Bios_> : P thanks for the welcome
[15:49] <Benkinooby> go system settings
[15:50] <Benkinooby> multimedia
[15:51] <Benkinooby> what is the first device listed there?
[15:52] <Bios_> HDA Intel...
[15:52] <Bios_> sec is PulseAudio
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Bios_, run the test on both
[15:55] <Bios_> hrm when i run the test on pulseaudio i got an error (same as in pastebin) but the sound was still working
[15:55] <Bios_> oO
[15:55] <Bios_> uhm but now e.g. internetmovies dont work :/
[15:56] <Bios_> like youtube
[15:56] <Bios_> ok now both test wont work : P
[15:56] <Benkinooby> Bios_: can it be related to the flash-bug ?
[15:56] <Bios_> well i dont think so because now the whole sound stopped working
[16:00] <Benkinooby> Bios_: what happens afer logout and login again?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Bios_, was the error something like falling back to soundcard ?
[16:02] <Bios_> sound is back
[16:03] <BluesKaj> Bios_, was the error something like falling back to soundcard ?
[16:03] <Bios_> yeah BluesKaj
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ok then Bios_, purge pulseaudio and try your sound sources again ..you may have to reboot
[16:05] <Benkinooby> Bios_: otherwise you may change to alsa, this is what i am thinking about...
[16:05] <Bios_> uhm this is working just with aptitude:?
[16:05] <Benkinooby> Bios_: what pc/laptop are u using?
[16:06] <Benkinooby> Bios_: y
[16:06] <Bios_> HP Compaq 6720s
[16:06] <BluesKaj> aptitude or apt , both work fime now
[16:06] <BluesKaj> err fine
[16:07] <Bios_> uhm
[16:07] <Bios_> seems there is no pulseaudio installed oO
[16:07] <Bios_> atleast i cant find any installed package starting with puls
[16:08] <Bios_> should i install it?
[16:08] <Benkinooby> Bios_: wait one moment
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Bios_, it was listed in tour media/music sys settings was it not ?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> your
[16:09] <Bios_> yeah it was
[16:09] <Benkinooby> Bio
[16:09] <Bios_> but it seems there is no package installed which contains the name pulseaudio
[16:09] <Bios_> which makes no sense
[16:09] <Benkinooby> Bios_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[16:09] <BluesKaj> Bios_, sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio
[16:09] <genii> !info pulseaudio
[16:10] <Bios_> Package pulseaudio is not installed, so not removed
[16:10] <Bios_> thats wiered
[16:11] <Bios_> oO
[16:11] <Benkinooby> Bios_: go for it :P
[16:11] <Bios_> but its listed in the multimedia
[16:11] <Bios_> well iam gonning to install it
[16:11] <BluesKaj> well Bios_ , have fun
[16:13] <Bios_> hrm
[16:13] <Bios_> i got falling back errors but now the musics keeps playing so probably the problem is solved (or in other words there is some error in the audio drivers which are prevented by pulseaudio?! )
[16:13] <Bios_> g2g so thanks you! : P
[16:14] <Bios_> i come back if there is anything else going wrong
[16:14] <Bios_> : D
[16:14] <Benkinooby> Bios_: ca
[16:15] <Benkinooby> hmmm.. strange thing... also i experienced the "fallbacks"
[16:15] <Benkinooby> i read that things like this happen if there is too much load....
[16:15] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby,most likely that's PA failing
[16:16] <BluesKaj> the alsa kernel module driver doesn't work with PA in a lot of cases
[16:17] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: i still afraid to change to alsa... too many things are working :/
[16:18] <BluesKaj> well, it's not written in stone , if you try your sound setup without PA and you hasve problems , it's not as if you can't reinstall it
[16:19] <BluesKaj> I'm not against PA per se , it's just too early in the it's dev to make a the default sound layer/server
[16:20] <BluesKaj> err make it the default
[16:21] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: there is one thin in linux i know: reinstalling is never the problem... configuring gives you the work :P
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Benkinooby, you aren't changing to alsa btw , alsa is still your kernel source driver
[16:21] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: ok, in this sense, disable pa
[16:22] <didi__> chiedo scusa ma non riesco a trovare la pagina in italiano qualcuno può aiutarmi?
[16:24] <genii> !it | didi__
[16:31] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: thanks for help...
[16:31] <Benkinooby> BluesKaj: have to go
[16:38] <yulios88> hi
[16:46] <noaXess> i need this file: libXm.so.4 in which package is it included?
[16:48] <konbon> hello :)
[16:49] <konbon> Qucik question, if you dont mind. Im on the Kubuntu Jaunty release and i want to Delete a ext4 partitioned hard drive that i have connected. Do you know how i can do this with this live cd ?
[16:50] <tsimpson> konbon: you just reformat
[16:51] <tsimpson> noaXess: I can't see libXm.so.4 in any ubuntu release
[16:51] <konbon> when i attempt to boot from this cd to install, instead of live, it locks up during the "scanning partitions" part
[16:51] <noaXess> tsimpson: i see.. need to symlink to the .3 version
[16:53] <konbon> is there something else besides Gparted?
[16:53] <maco> im not sure qparted still exists
[16:53] <konbon> because it wont mount this ext4 hdd as well, on the live cd
[16:53] <maco> i can tell you how to use fdisk
[16:53] <konbon> it just gives an error
[16:53] <tsimpson> noaXess: linking to libXm.so.3 probably will not work
[16:53] <konbon> that would be great
[16:53] <maco> from the command line
[16:53] <konbon> please do
[16:53] <konbon> i would appreciate it :)
[16:53] <maco> ok, so you want to delete the partition? or reformat it?
[16:54] <konbon> yes
[16:54] <maco> which one?
[16:54] <maco> delete?
[16:54] <tsimpson> noaXess: try it and see, but it may just crash
[16:54] <konbon> the only hdd in this system, not sure where it is
[16:54] <konbon> how can i check for the name of it ?
[16:54] <genii> konbon: sudo fdisk -l
[16:54] <konbon> ok
[16:55] <maco> i meant "delete or reformat? which of these options are you looking for?"
[16:55] <maco> you can format an existing partition as a different filesystem (in which case mkfs is what you need) or delete a partition (in which case, fdisk)
[16:55] <konbon> just delete
[16:55] <maco> ok
[16:56] <konbon> i assume the live cd can format to the proper ext3 on install
[16:56] <maco> yes
[16:56] <konbon> good
[16:56] <maco> ok so if you only have one hard drive, then "sudo fdisk /dev/sda"
[16:56] <konbon> ok, so it looks ike its sda1
[16:56] <konbon> from the blocks size
[16:56] <maco> ok
[16:56] <maco> type "d" and hit enter
[16:56] <maco> and it should ask for the partition number. you said sda1, so put 1
[16:56] <konbon> i assume block size would be the it says "bash: d: command not found"
[16:57] <konbon> oops, 2 sentences in one, sorry :P
[16:57] <konbon> it says "bash: d: command not found"
[16:57] <maco> wait did you do "sudo fdisk /dev/sda"?
[16:57] <konbon> doing
[16:57] <maco> that should bring you to an fdisk prompt
[16:57] <maco> thats where you type "d"
[16:58] <konbon> ok now its asking for the partition number
[16:58] <maco> you said sda1, so thatd be 1
[16:58] <konbon> ok
[16:58] <konbon> now its asking for the command
[16:59] <maco> now if you type "p" it should show the new state of the drive
[16:59] <konbon> Ah i see
[16:59] <konbon> now it only shows 2 and 3
[16:59] <konbon> well, sda2 and sda5
[17:00] <maco> ok good
[17:00] <konbon> which, i assume, are the live cd stuff
[17:00] <maco> theyre other partitions on your hard disk
[17:00] <konbon> Oh, should i be deleting them as well?
[17:01] <maco> do you want to clear off the whole drive?
[17:01] <konbon> yes
[17:01] <maco> k then yes
[17:01] <konbon> same process right ?
[17:01] <maco> yes
[17:01] <konbon> nice
[17:01] <maco> if you hit "m" as the command it actually tells you everything im telling you ;-)
[17:02] <seicherlbob> can someone explain the way, audio devices are definied in kubunutu, to me? I have a Creative XFI Titanium and i cant configure in- and output devices properly. How are HAL, Alsa, phonom and kde working together??
[17:03] <konbon> now it shows nothing in the Device Boot
[17:03] <konbon> Great
[17:03] <maco> ok
[17:03] <konbon> Thanks for your help maco
[17:03] <maco> wait wait
[17:03] <konbon> Oh
[17:03]  * konbon waits
[17:03] <BluesKaj> !GParted | konbon , you asked about GParted , there's a live cd
[17:03] <maco> type "w" to actually write out the changes
[17:04] <konbon> oh ok
[17:04] <konbon> ok, done
[17:05] <konbon> Thanks for the info on the Live Gparted cd
[17:05] <konbon> is that all maco ?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> konbon, just for your info , GParted live cd  works very well on it's own formatting or joining/extending partitions
[17:05] <konbon> BluesKaj: Nice, i'll download it once ive installed Kubuntu.
[17:05] <konbon> so, can i install kubuntu now?
[17:06] <maco> yep
[17:06] <BluesKaj> konbon, dl and install it first
[17:06] <konbon> nice
[17:06] <BluesKaj> err burn it rather
[17:06] <konbon> BluesKaj: in on it right now, live
[17:06] <BluesKaj> very handy live cd to have around
[17:06] <konbon> indeed
[17:07] <konbon> my psu just died on another rig and this is the only cd i found that was live
[17:07] <konbon> it was old, scracthed and dusty, but it worked :D
[17:08] <konbon> brb, installing kubuntu
[17:09] <BluesKaj> konbon, cool :)
[17:09] <konbon> One last question, is it possible to install FluxBox but still keep KDE 4 and switch from one another?
[17:10] <BluesKaj> konbon, well, whynot lots of ppl switch between gnome and kde at login so i don't see why not
[17:11] <BluesKaj> never heard of that combo of desktops before but it should work
[17:11] <BluesKaj> desktop environments rather
[17:12] <konbon> Oh nice
[17:12] <konbon> looks like its doing the same thing as before, it just stays on 12% of "Starting the partitioner"
[17:14] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-live-cd ?
[17:15] <konbon> yes
[17:15] <konbon> and in Dolphin , it still shows the hdd as a Ext4
[17:17] <BluesKaj> I've seen this before , but I think if you use the GParted-live-cd rather than the kubuntu partitioner , then you may have more options to fix the prob
[17:17] <konbon> i dont think theres i way i can download and burn it with this live cd
[17:18] <konbon> i only have 1 disc drive and one HDD
[17:18] <konbon> Dilema :(
[17:18] <BluesKaj> do you have windows?
[17:18] <konbon> installer?
[17:18] <konbon> or on a ntsf partition?
[17:18] <konbon> ntfs*
[17:18] <BluesKaj> a windows or other OS
[17:19] <konbon> oh hdd no, on disc yes
[17:19] <BluesKaj> you can DL and burn GParted on any OS , since it's an iso
[17:19] <konbon> BluesKaj: yeah, but im on a live cd, i cant eject it to put in a blank
[17:20] <konbon> and where would it save it to?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> no OS , bummer
[17:20] <konbon> since i cant access this hdd
[17:20] <konbon> yeah :(
[17:20] <BluesKaj> stick ?
[17:20] <konbon> no usb stick :(
[17:22] <konbon> how do i format this into a working ext3 drive?
[17:22] <konbon> maco: if you dont mind helping me :)
[17:22] <maco> the installer should give you an option for manual partitioning
[17:23] <BluesKaj> you can use ext4 with karmic , it's actually the default if you use the partitionerto format
[17:23] <konbon> maco, it gets stuck on 12% and says "tarting the partitioner"
[17:23] <konbon> Starting*
[17:23] <konbon> BluesKaj: this is Jaunty
[17:24] <BluesKaj> ext4 should still work with
[17:24] <BluesKaj> jaunty
[17:24] <maco> yeah but jaunty's kernel still had some rather nasty bugs with it
[17:25] <maco> konbon: and i actually have to get ready for school now, so you're stuck with BluesKaj ;P
[17:25] <BluesKaj> anyway konbon, time for my daily walk ...BBL ..I'm sure maco can help you
[17:25] <maco> oh boo!
[17:25] <konbon> :P
[17:25] <maco> Mamarok: you around?
[17:25] <konbon> its ok, thanks for the help
[17:28] <BluesKaj> konbon, format to ntfs first then try ext3 afterwards
[17:28] <konbon> Thanks for the help everyone.
[17:29] <konbon> I might just go buy this windows 7 i keep hearing about.
[17:29] <konbon> Looks like im going back to windows for the 100th time :P
[17:29] <maco> awww
[17:29] <BluesKaj> konbon, not worth it..it's xp with vista clothing IMO ;)
[17:30] <BluesKaj> anyway , I'm gome
[17:30] <BluesKaj> gonre
[17:30] <konbon> bye
[17:33] <konbon> have a good day everyone :)
[17:34] <seicherlbob> can someone explain the way, audio devices are definied in kubunutu, to me? I have a Creative XFI Titanium and i cant configure in- and output devices properly. How are HAL, Alsa, phonom and kde working together??
[17:41] <genii> seicherlbob: Likely no one here in the general support channel can adequately answer that. You *may* find someone in #kubuntu-devel who will be kind and explain (but they are not a support channel, just so you know)
[17:41] <seicherlbob> genii: thanks! I will ask there
[18:00] <gooph> hey, anyone know a fix for wireless issues in kubuntu 9.10, I'm not sure if it's a rights issue with the knetworkmanager or something out, can't find much info on the web.  I can see my interface in ifconfig but can't connect to any wireless networks, any ideas?
[18:20] <subito> hi, how can i launch a program on startup?
[18:23] <Ahox> run the autostart utility
[18:23] <Lynceus> subito: take a look at the system settings
[18:24] <The_Journey> why cant I hear anything from youtube videos but I can hear audio form my music files in amarok?
[18:32] <m_tadeu> hi everyone....I don't have can't capture sound from my micro
[18:43] <doleyb> I just installed kubuntu 9.10 from cd, and although the touchpad mouse cursor worked for installer, it doesn't function afterwards... also the sound and wireless don't work.  Is there any reason for me Not to just install jaunty?
[19:00] <possi> hi... i tryed to move some folders by mv name* but forgot to enter a destination. where did these folders end up?
[19:00] <tsimpson> possi: to the last entry, so the name of the last folder alphabetically
[19:01] <genii> tsimpson: Interesting shell behaviour, that
[19:01] <tsimpson> genii: the shell expands *, then passes the result to the command, so mv sees several arguments and not the "something*"
[19:01] <possi> mhh there were 3 folders wich startet with the same name but none of them is left
[19:03] <possi> a never mind found them
[19:03] <possi> thx
[19:04] <sharpen047> does anyone know how to get the eq to work on amarok in karmic?
[19:07] <sharpen047> does anyone know how to get the eq to work on amarok in karmic?
[19:09] <joa> sharpen047: doesn't work amarok in karmic?
[19:10] <sharpen047> joa it says eq not supported by phonon
[19:16] <joa> sharpen047: try to set the engine to xine
[19:16] <sharpen047> joa, it is
[19:17] <sharpen047> phonon backened xine
[19:19] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[19:24] <sharpen047> does anyone know how to get the eq to work on amarok in karmic? eq not supported by phonon
[19:25] <doleyb> I just installed kubuntu karmic cd, and the touchpad mouse worked for installer but doesn't function now.  How can I fix it?
[19:32] <sharpen047> does anyone know how to get the eq to work on amarok in karmic? eq not supported by phonon
[19:47] <wrgb> doleyb: is it a synaptic touch pad?
[19:58] <alx> hi there! i just installed metapackage ubuntu-desktop... can anybody tell me why gnome does not show up as a session option in kde login screen?
[19:59] <genii> alx: Have you restarted kdm since you installed ubuntu-desktop?
[20:00] <genii> (otherwise it will just use cached list of available sessions)
[20:01] <alx> genii yes i just restarted my computer
[20:01] <doleyb_> I just installed kubuntu karmic cd, and the touchpad mouse worked for installer but doesn't function now.  How can I fix it?  (It shows up in "xinput list")
[20:04] <Guest61738> Hellp
[20:04] <Guest61738> hello
[20:05] <Guest61738> hey
[20:05] <Scunizi> what?
[20:09]  * genii makes that uber-large military grade vat of coffee
[20:10] <sharpen047> does anyone know how to get the eq to work on amarok in karmic? eq not supported by phonon
[20:14] <robin0800> sharpen047: use songbird
[20:14] <sharpen047> robin0800, then i dont have kde shortcuts
[20:14] <sharpen047> when im in another window i can change songs because amarok has a special spot in system settings for hotkeys
[20:14] <sharpen047> global hotkeys
[20:15] <robin0800> sharpen047: so does songbird
[20:15] <sharpen047> robin0800, ooh ty, guess i heard wrong! ill do that now
[20:16] <sharpen047> has anyone gotten itunes to sync with iphone on linux? with the new version
[20:17] <binarylooks> sharpen047: http://marcansoft.com/blog/2009/10/iphone-syncing-on-linux-part-2/
[20:17] <binarylooks> the short answer: almost ;-)
[20:19] <sharpen047> binarylooks, no way just to get itunes installed? haha that looks a little extensive and since i dont know what im doing  it may be a bad idea
[20:19] <jarl> I took some shots of visual cavaets during install of kubuntu 9.10, can anyone tell what package I shoud report these bugs to?
[20:20] <binarylooks> sharpen047: unfortunately no, apple locked us out (i laso have an iphone)
[20:20] <sharpen047> ugh
[20:20] <binarylooks> sharpen047: i gave it up :-( am now waiting for these guys in the link to fix it. they are almost there
[20:20] <sharpen047> i hate apple sometimes
[20:20] <sharpen047> oh wait always
[20:21] <binarylooks> yep, nut the ui and harware was revolutionary
[20:21] <binarylooks> i just hope we are ready fo the attack when the tablet thing takes off, probably with the "iTablet"
[20:21] <binarylooks> but kde is heading in the right direction
[20:22] <sharpen047> lol so it will be easier to sync iphone? is that what you are saying?
[20:22] <binarylooks> jarl: probably ubiquity (not sure if there is a special kde package
[20:22] <binarylooks> sharpen047: it will evetually
[20:22] <jarl> binarylooks: I'll take a look at the description, thanks
[20:22] <sharpen047> basic users like me should not have to do that much to sync. mac is based off of linux, why do they not let us linux users use their software?
[20:23] <Tm_T> sharpen047: no it's not based of Linux
[20:24] <binarylooks> well that is a question i stopped asking myself
[20:24] <Tm_T> and this is also offtopic
[20:24] <binarylooks> Tm_T: you're right
[20:25] <binarylooks> anyway, iphone syncing in kubutnu is in rogress and looking to be finisdhed soon. thats the summary
[20:29] <sharpen047> binarylooks, thank you
[20:29] <sharpen047> where can i find updates
[20:30] <Roasted> hey guys - I have my kubuntu laptop here (ubuntu with kde 4.3.1 upgraded) and I CANNOT figure out how to find the network settings to get this thing online wirelessly. Wheres it at??
[20:30] <binarylooks> sharpen047: updates ? to the iphone story?
[20:31] <sharpen047> binarylooks, yes :D
[20:31] <binarylooks> follow the blog i gave u. these are the guys doing the sync development
[20:33] <binarylooks> Roasted: in the system try? lower right.
[20:33] <Shiznitz> Roasted: If Kubuntu detects the wireless adapter automatically (it should), then there should be an icon to connect to the wireless networks in range.
[20:34] <Roasted> binary - I see nothing there...
[20:34] <Roasted> shiznitz - Ubuntu 9.04 works fine, so I expected it to work in KDE too with 9.04
[20:34] <Roasted> I just dont see any icon or any widget that has ANYTHING to do with network connectivity
[20:35] <Roasted> and now that I restarted after installing the KDE desktop on Ubuntu 9.04, it wont power up
[20:35] <Roasted> it hangs
[20:35] <Roasted> has ANYBODY had luck installing KDE on Ubuntu? Every -single- time has failed for me. I've done it in about 6 systems with the PPA recommended on the forums.
[20:36] <adaptr> Roasted: I suggest you start with Kubuntu instead
[20:36] <doleyb> Roasted: look carefully at the icons in the lower right, and if you don't see it then right click and Add Widgets and pick Network Manager...
[20:36] <Roasted> adaptr - well this is my work laptop... I was running ubuntu on it and wanted to try KDE.
[20:36] <adaptr> Roasted: so install Kubuntu
[20:36] <Roasted> doleyb - No, there's no icon in the system tray. And no, there's no Network Manager available in the add widgets menu.
[20:37] <Roasted> adaptr - I may, this is just something I tried here real quick.
[20:37] <doleyb> Roasted: then you don't have all of kde installed.. I don't know what packages you need.
[20:37] <Roasted> adaptr - I use FOG - open soruce linux based imaging. I have about 200gb worth of images on this laptop and I was hoping to get away with getting KDE installed on top of my existing Ubuntu install.
[20:37] <adaptr> apt-get install kde-desktop
[20:37] <Roasted> Now it hangs on starting NFS demon every single time I boot up.
[20:37] <Roasted> djfa;lsdf
[20:38] <adaptr> Roasted: since your data will of coursebe on a different partition, you can easily replace the system
[20:38] <Roasted> adaptr - Im not on a split partition system.
[20:38] <Roasted> I can move my data, I have a 1tb drive for backup purposes. I was just trying to do it the quick and dirty way :P
[20:38] <adaptr> a little late to regret that now
[20:39] <Roasted> adaptr - even still, I followed official directions to install KDE on Ubuntu. I'm a little disappointed this keeps failing.
[20:39] <adaptr> apt-get install kde-desktop
[20:39] <adaptr> or kubuntu-desktop, whatever
[20:39] <Roasted> I can't even get in, man
[20:39] <Roasted> It hangs when booting, period
[20:39] <adaptr> then use a console, man
[20:39] <Roasted> I can't get to console or anything
[20:39] <adaptr> ah
[20:40] <adaptr> livecd time
[20:40] <Roasted> Starting NFS Kernel Demon.......
[20:40] <Roasted> yeah I guess so
[20:40] <Roasted> how do I take out KDE via livecd though?
[20:40] <adaptr> or just disable that
[20:40] <Roasted> OMG OMG OMG IT BOOTED
[20:40] <adaptr> it does not "hang when booting", as that has a specific meaning
[20:40] <adaptr> yes, you should have waited
[20:40] <adaptr> (or, optionally, RTFM)
[20:40] <Roasted> RTFM from what
[20:41] <adaptr> NFS ?
[20:41] <Roasted> I did RTFM
[20:41] <Roasted> I use this laptop for imaging. IT fires out images via NFS.
[20:41] <Roasted> Never had a problem before I installed KDE. :P
[20:41] <adaptr> if you're sharing that 200GB, it may take a while to start up
[20:41] <Roasted> it's not shared
[20:41] <Roasted> it's a regular laptop
[20:41] <Roasted> I just plug into the network and PXE boot the clients from there. That's all I do. I just have DHCP services on it to grab the PXE clients. Other than that it's a basic Ubuntu laptop.
[20:42] <adaptr> I have no idea how this relates to not being able to boot
[20:42] <Roasted> well, I don't either, but you mentioned RTFM for NFS
[20:42] <Roasted> just stating what it's here for
[20:43] <Roasted> all I know is I installed KDE - after that, it took my laptop 10 minutes to fire up.
[20:43] <Roasted> Is installing KDE on an Ubuntu system thought low of?
[20:44] <Roasted> Like do most hardcore KDE fans suggest installing Kubuntu for KDE? I wasn't sure if it was treated like upgrading, I know on the forums people are saying don't upgrade - do a fresh install.
[20:44] <binarylooks> Roasted: ? Of course not
[20:44] <Roasted> binarylooks - I'm just confused over why I have so much trouble getting KDE to work on Ubuntu. I run Kubuntu at home and I fricken love it.
[20:44] <Roasted> But that's a native Kubuntu install, not KDE on Ubuntu like I did here with my work laptop.
[20:45] <binarylooks> u did an install of kubuntu-desktop?
[20:45] <Roasted> binarylooks - No. I used the PPA recommended on ubuntuforums so I could get the latest KDE version available for Jaunty 9.04.
[20:46] <Roasted> Its hanging on NFS again when booting. What in the world could have changed to make NFS lag to fire up when booting?
[20:46] <binarylooks> hmmm, the usualy way should not be using kubuntu-desktop, and later the kubuntu-ppa repos
[20:46] <Roasted> I didn't install Kubuntu desktop.
[20:46] <binarylooks> *should be
[20:46] <binarylooks> forget the not :-)
[20:46] <Roasted> oh wait.. lol?
[20:46] <Roasted> so I DID screw up
[20:46] <Roasted> glad the manual said to install kubuntu-desktop first, so much for effing reading it :P
[20:47] <binarylooks> hmmmm, i think ur problem might still be something else, let me read what u wrote before...
[20:48] <Roasted> all I did was install the kubuntu 4.3.1 PPA for jaunty 9.04. After that when I booted up, I had KDE as an option. GReat. So I go in to get started with it and I have no wifi. No network manager exists. Period. It just does.. not... exist. So I reboot and now NFS gives me the finger. Again - only thing I changed was installing the KDE PPA 4.3.1
[20:49] <binarylooks> sorry, need to leave. c u
[20:52] <Roasted> adaptr - So is it a good practice to have kubuntu-desktop installed first, then add the PPA and update/upgrade to the latest KDE version that way?
[20:53] <sharpen047> robin0800, hey still there?
[20:53] <adaptr> Roasted: I don't know about good practice. you say installing kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu did not work. I advised you to start with a bare Kubuntu instead.
[20:54] <robin0800> sharpen047: yes
[20:55] <sharpen047> robin0800, songbird wont install because gstreamer plugins couldnt load( i dont think the right gstreamer is installed) which sshould i install?
[20:55] <Roasted> adaptr - No no, it's not that "Kubuntu-Desktop" did not work - I did not install it at all from the repos because I wanted the latest absolute version. I just assumed the PPA would give me what I need.
[20:55] <BluesKaj> interesting, just dropped to a tty and installed gnome-desktop-environment, now I can choose which DE at the login . gnome seems less cartooney than previous releases
[20:56] <adaptr> Roasted: if you had reason to do that, then you probably know more about it than me
[20:56] <Roasted> Then I started to wonder if I needed Kubuntu-Desktop installed first, then the PPA would just update it to the latest version.
[20:56] <robin0800> sharpen047: read the FAQ's
[20:56] <adaptr> PPA's ? why would you need PPA's for software that is in the repos
[20:57] <BluesKaj> some ppl do't have all the repos enabled
[20:57] <Roasted> PPA = latest version
[20:57] <Roasted> repos = old
[20:57] <robin0800> sharpen047: there is no problem in ubuntu karmic
[20:57] <BluesKaj> Roasted, only in alpha /beta
[20:57] <adaptr> Roasted: where did you ever state this as a requirement ?
[20:58] <sharpen047> robin0800, im trying to install via sh file, it fails
[20:58] <Roasted> adaptr - I said about 4 times I wanted the absolute latest version of KDE possible. The PPA gave me that. That's what the documentation (aka manual) said to do.
[20:58] <Roasted> My only question was, was I to have Kubuntu-Desktop installed prior to the PPA, or was the PPA supposed to take care of -everything- anyway.
[20:58] <adaptr> didn't see any of that
[20:59] <adaptr> you said repeatedly that installing KDE didn't work, without any details about how
[20:59] <Roasted> I feel like I explained my story about 4 times. But nonetheless - right there it is again. That's what I did.
[20:59] <robin0800> sharpen047: going now
[20:59] <sharpen047> robin0800, the version of gstreamer in karmic is "too new" for the version that songbird uses, they are updating this in songbird 1.2 (current is 1.1.2)
[20:59] <BluesKaj> Roasted, the latest desktop is always in the repos after the official release
[21:00] <Roasted> blueskaj - so with me being on Jaunty (not the latest release) but wanting the latest KDE - it'd be in the repos?
[21:00] <BluesKaj> kde latest stable is 4.3.3
[21:01] <Roasted> cause in the repos Kubuntu-Desktop is listed as 1.2. It can't be the version?
[21:01] <Roasted> blueskaj - I know, but are you aware of what I'm doing? I'm not sure we're on the same page. I have Ubuntu and I'm trying to dump KDE on top of it as an option.
[21:01] <Ahox> Roasted,  this is the latest kubuntu-desktop, containing KDE 4.3.?
[21:02] <Ahox> (I think 4.3.2)
[21:02] <BluesKaj> kde and kubuntu-desktop are different,the desktop is only part of kde
[21:02] <Ahox> Roasted,  just install kubuntu-desktop 1.2 and you will be fine
[21:02] <BluesKaj> Ahox, 4.3.3
[21:02] <Roasted> blueskaj - So more or less, if I want "KDE" I need to stop messing with patching it on top of Ubuntu?
[21:02] <Roasted> blueskaj - 4.3.3 won't be backported to jaunty, only 4.3.2
[21:02] <BluesKaj> Roasted, you got it
[21:02] <Roasted> and I'm on jaunty
[21:03] <Roasted> even still 4.3.2 is fine, I just want to grab the latest I can
[21:03] <BluesKaj> well, then install 4.3.3 , reported to run fine on juanty
[21:04] <Roasted> gah - still hanging on NFS daemon
[21:04] <BluesKaj> anyway bbl , gonna install gnome beside kde on my desktop pc
[21:04] <Roasted> lol?
[21:08] <garrettkajmowicz> I just upgraded to Kubuntu 9.10 and now I'm limited to 800x600 display.  Graphics is Intel 945G.  Display is Sony LCD which does at least 1280x1024.  I've tried xrandr.  I've tried adding Display sections to xorg.conf.  Where do I go from here?
[21:12] <Shiznitz> Does 9.10 support WPA Passkeys?
[21:13] <genii> garrettkajmowicz: I might suggest: echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu karmic main universe multiverse restricted" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 4F191A5A8844C542 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   This installs the PPA where the latest video drivers for (K)ubuntu are being made. A reboot after would be good so the new kernel modules get loaded
[21:13] <genii>  properly
[21:17] <garrettkajmowicz> genii:  Upgrade in progress.  Though 'crack pushers' for a key name makes me nervous....
[21:18] <garrettkajmowicz> Rebooting now.  Let's see what breaks ...
[21:18]  * genii sips and waits
[21:25] <garrettk> genii:  Well, I gave that a shot and still no luck.
[21:26] <garrettk> get-edid is now returning more data, but still nothing useful.
[21:27] <garrettk> What should I try next?
[21:27] <Kalmairn> Good Afternoon.  I'm trying to upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10, getting an error message: Distribution upgrade process exited with code 255.
[21:27] <genii> garrettk: You usually need to pass it thru the parse-edid like:  sudo get-edid | parse-edid             then it gives you some modeline stuff which can be inserted to an xorg.conf stanza set
[21:28] <Kalmairn> This is through kpackagekit / Software Management
[21:28] <giz> Shiznitz:Yeah, it worked out of the box for me.
[21:28] <Kalmairn> I have two systems with the same problem.
[21:29] <garrettk> genii:  I still get 'The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed', but now with a binary blob at the end!   :-)  Of course, prase-edid still isn't able to do anything for me.
[21:30] <genii> garrettk: Weird. Haven't seen that yet.
[21:31] <Shiznitz> giz: I'm having trouble with my Linksys WMP600N and a WPA passkey network.. it sees the network but tries to connect for about 90 seconds then brings up a window to have me enter the information for the network again
[21:32] <Bios_> compiling problem: http://pastebin.com/m3af2b133
[21:39] <genii> Bios_: Might want to enquire in #kubuntu-devel (although they are not strictly a support channel there, someone may be inclined to assist)
[21:40] <Bios_> nvm google helped me out : D
[21:40] <giz> Shiznitz: silly but I had the problem too and come find out my laptop was running b and my router was set for g only
[21:41] <garrettk> genii:  Any thoughts as to where I should go from here?  My machine at work is nearly unusable at 800x600.
[21:43] <genii> garrettk: What I'd likely do in this situation is go to the manufacturer's site and check the display specs of your monitor, then write a modeline entry based on that for your xorg.conf
[21:43] <syon> hi folks
[21:44] <giz> hi syon
[21:44] <syon> i just had a very odd sensation
[21:44] <syon> opened firefox on my kubuntu and was struck by the ugly brown of the ubuntu startpage
[21:44] <garrettk> This was working in 9.04.  Modelines are so ... 1990s.  Okay.  I'll see what I can whip up..
[21:45] <syon> we do not have a similar kubuntu-themed page, have we?
[21:45] <syon> i am referring to http://start.ubuntu.com/9.10/
[21:45] <Shiznitz> giz: The WMP600N is an N-Band adapater, the router is running N as well (mixed on its firmware).. do you know how to switch modes for the adapter?
[21:46] <syon> the obvious s/ub/kub/ doesn't help
[21:47] <syon> as expected ;-)
[21:47] <giz> make your own Syon and submit it ;-)
[21:48] <gooph> what do you think the best version of kubuntu is for wireless functionability?
[21:48] <gooph> i have 9.1 now but  I can't get wireless to work for the life of me.
[21:48] <syon> giz: mhmh, I had feared that answer ;-) i am more of a hardware / low-level SW guy
[21:48] <gooph> and I'd prefer KDE over gnome.
[21:49] <syon> gooph: the knetworkmanager in 9.10 seems to work much nicer than in previous versions
[21:49] <syon> however, it might still be lacking to the GTK networkmanager
[21:49] <syon> you can try to use that, though.
[21:50] <syon> of course I am just looking into the glass sphere. this would truly depend on your actual issue
[21:51] <lalas_> help
[21:52] <gooph> syon: yeah, but I'm having trouble with it (knetworkmanager), can't seem to get it to work, the os seems to be seeing the interface and such, just can't get knetworkmanager to play along.
[21:53] <lalas_> hi could any one help me with GcStar
[21:54] <gooph> syon:  but i do appreciate the advice, I'll look into doing that.
[22:04] <Morydd> I'm getting frequent instances of a window popping up saying "/user/share/apport/apport-kde needs administrative privileges. Please enter your password."
[22:25] <mariano> Buenas tardes!
[22:30] <ufox> Hi everyone, I have some problem with kubuntu karmic, I'm using intel HD Audio (ICH8) and when I put a volume level in kmix below some percentage I can't hear anything. I have seen similar problems in ubuntu looking for it but only with pulseaudio
[22:50] <noaXess> can someone have a look at this picture?.. grazy.. http://imagebin.ca/view/b1YZZ8I.html
[22:51] <noaXess> system is karmic, fresh install, nvidia 190 driver.. problem happends after logout or kdm restart or supend/wakeup... a reboot fo the system fixes it
[23:04] <robin0800> sharpen047: you can install 1.2 you know or 1.4 or later from their site
[23:05] <sharpen047> robin0800, ty
[23:05] <sharpen047> robin0800, i downloaded from their site.. it automatically did 1.12
[23:06] <robin0800> sharpen047: mine says 1.2
[23:06] <robin0800> sharpen047: Version: Songbird 1.2.0, Build 1146 (20090616030029)
[23:08] <sharpen047> robin0800, still wont install, gstreamer plugins wont load
[23:13] <robin0800> sharpen047: must be something funny in kde because all those versions work here and you don't even have to install it!
[23:14] <sharpen047> robin0800, what do you mean? it comes with kubuntu?
[23:15] <robin0800> sharpen047: you can just extract it and run it from the folder
[23:16] <sharpen047> robin0800, the bin?
[23:16] <robin0800> sharpen047: no songbird not the bin
[23:16] <noaXess> can someone have a look at this thread.. thanks for help.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1337716
[23:17] <sharpen047> robin0800, i must have the wrong one then there is no songbird inhere
[23:18] <robin0800> sharpen047: you have to download a .tar and extract it
[23:19] <robin0800> sharpen047: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Songbird
[23:20] <Guest94711> hi there, anybody knows about a bug that causes the "root user" being kicked out of the sudoers file?
[23:20] <Guest94711> seems to be caused by the newest dist-upgrade
[23:22] <noaXess> !backup
[23:26] <CorVertex> well to be precise, the adminstrator user is kicked out of all groups, thus out of the admin group. 2 different pcs with kubuntu now need fixing by live cd ^^
[23:29] <jimmy_> hello
[23:29] <ubox> anyone know how to get a webcam working brighter/better?\
[23:29] <ubox> hello :)
[23:29] <CorVertex> hi ^^
[23:29] <jimmy_> hey ubox  which clint are  you  using
[23:30] <jimmy_> client
[23:30] <ubox> for irc?
[23:30] <jimmy_> oh
[23:30] <jimmy_>  my  bad
[23:31] <jimmy_> this  is my 1 st  time  here  on  irc ...still in that damn yahoo mode
[23:31] <ubox> lol that's ok
[23:31] <ubox> i use konversation
[23:32] <jimmy_> but  i know this  sounds stupid ....but  have you  went to  the settings and  see if  it has a low light mode?
[23:33] <ubox> i wish, but that would work if there were. it just seems silly that it is soo dark but if i used windows it is brighter in the same lighting
[23:34] <jimmy_> yeah  i  know ...still  getting  to  know  nix .... i like  it  better than M$
[23:34] <ubox> oh yea, for sure
[23:34] <ubox> i have windows
[23:35] <ubox> *hate
[23:35] <ubox> lol
[23:35] <CorVertex> :D
[23:35] <FloodBotK3> ubox: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:35] <ubox> wtf?
[23:35] <CorVertex> *grins*
[23:35] <jimmy_> my  bro  has a apple ...
[23:35] <ubox> silly bots, maybe if i said the same thing a bunch of times...
[23:36] <jimmy_> so  how  would  i change  rooms ?
[23:36] <ubox> i did, then i put ubuntu on it and realized i could go buy a pc now
[23:36] <ubox> type / j #room
[23:36] <ubox> no space between / j
[23:36] <ubox> and /leave to leave it
[23:36] <jimmy_> you  cant  see a  list 1st ?
[23:37] <ubox> you can but i don't remember how
[23:37] <ubox> try /list
[23:37] <jimmy_> right  on ....so this  is  like a  lobby  then
[23:37] <CorVertex> well then all channels are lobbys ^^
[23:37] <ubox> well this is a room, the network info for freenode is a lobby
[23:38] <jimmy_> got ya
[23:38] <jimmy_> im  like busting  my IRC cherry  here
[23:39] <jimmy_> i have  noticed  though. there  is  no  bots  flooding the  room
[23:40] <ubox> no they are pretty frowned upon
[23:40] <ubox> and trollers
[23:41] <jimmy_> so  i  have  2 boxes  here .... one  on  top  that  has the chat  and another  one that  shows the  chat  and  ppl coming and  going
[23:42] <jimmy_> so  i  have  2 boxes  here .... one  on  top  that  has the chat  and another  one that  shows the  chat  and  ppl coming and  going
[23:43] <ubox> hmm, what client are you using?
[23:45] <bobby_> Hello People.
[23:45] <bobby_> I have a weird issue with kubuntu.
[23:45] <bobby_> It's unuseable.
[23:45] <russlar> KDE is dead, long live KDE!
[23:45] <russlar> http://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand
[23:45] <CorVertex> lol
[23:46] <CorVertex> bobby_: not in the sudoers file?
[23:46] <bobby_> I have a dualcore laptop, and running kubuntu, transparency, desktop widgets, FF (or skype) and smplayer and movie plays with lot of freezing.
[23:46] <bobby_> cpu stays pegged at 40%.
[23:47] <bobby_> eventually a week later it will get so unresponsive that it takes minutes to click on k menu select reboot.
[23:47] <bobby_> curious if it's a more kde thing or kubuntu thing....
[23:48] <gegeee_> hy all
[23:49] <bobby_> thinking of possibly xubuntu sometimes. but the newer version of xubuntu was even worse. it was unresponsive right after boot. probably due to the new driver for the graphics card on that machine.
[23:49] <CorVertex> I had this phenomenon with xubuntu , too, but on a 128M RAM and 300MHz machine ^^
[23:52] <bobby_> oh well. I can't use this machine as is.
[23:52] <bobby_> I don't want to move to ubuntu.
[23:52] <bobby_> gnome is not my favorite....
[23:52] <CorVertex> well however I'll leave now, cya :)