| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, how is your scanner app coming along? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, good, I spent monday's swap day adding multi page supprot | 00:02 |
| rickspencer3 | oooh | 00:03 |
| rickspencer3 | so are you think replacing xsane in Lucid? | 00:03 |
| robert_ancell | that is the plan :) | 00:03 |
| robert_ancell | at least try it in the alphas and see what the feedback is | 00:03 |
| robert_ancell | hopefully get some user testing done if the design team has the time for it... | 00:04 |
| dtchen | rickspencer3: hi, I've been pinged about reenabling flat volumes for 10.04. What are your thoughts? | 00:04 |
| rickspencer3 | dtchen, I need to educate myself before I offer an opinion | 00:04 |
| rickspencer3 | apparantly the feedback from users about that was not so good, thus the disabling | 00:05 |
| dtchen | rickspencer3: yes, confusion and all, but upstream PA is convinced that the misperception can be overcome by reading | 00:05 |
| rickspencer3 | reading? | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | you mean users reading documentation? | 00:06 |
| dtchen | yes | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | uh | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | has anyone ever watched a user use a computer? | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | I mean no disrespect to upstream or to users ... | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | but in my experience, users do not read | 00:06 |
| rickspencer3 | they want to learn by doing, and if they can't learn something by using it, they consider it "crap" | 00:07 |
| rickspencer3 | dtchen, what is your opinion, if you don't mind me asking? | 00:07 |
| dtchen | yes, sadly that part is pretty obvious given the amount of heat I've received across the blogosphere. Mostly FUD, but heat nonetheless. | 00:07 |
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| dtchen | rickspencer3: personally it's useful but really relies on a perfect convergence of good (hardware|drivers) | 00:08 |
| dtchen | rickspencer3: slomo pinged me in here about it; I'd like to get his opinion about it, too | 00:08 |
| rickspencer3 | dtchen, pulseaudio is working quite well for me in Karmic | 00:10 |
| dtchen | you've been lucky :-) | 00:10 |
| rickspencer3 | heh | 00:11 |
| rickspencer3 | dtchen, btw, don't worry about haters on the Internet | 00:11 |
| rickspencer3 | I sure take plenty of heat from them, I can't help noticing how many people *don't* actually contribute | 00:12 |
| rickspencer3 | but feel they know an aweful lot about delivering a distro | 00:12 |
| rickspencer3 | ;) | 00:12 |
| dtchen | oh certainly. It just ends up feeding back into upstream's misperceptions, although Luke and I have been pushing back a lot harder these days. | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | good | 00:14 |
| rickspencer3 | in any case, if flat volumes requires a perfect alignment of hardware and drivers, and you don't see that happening, I don't see how we can commit to shipping it | 00:15 |
| rickspencer3 | oth, if we want to turn it on for a while soonish and see what feedback we get, this would be the right time in the cycle to discuss that | 00:15 |
| TheMuso | I agree 100% with users not bothering to read documentation. | 00:17 |
| rickspencer3 | hi all, I'm moments away from logging off until next Monday | 00:24 |
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| rickspencer3 | TheMuso, robert_ancell feel free to call if something comes up, probably wont' be online much | 00:24 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, have a good time off! | 00:25 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, thanks, it's much needed! | 00:25 |
| * rickspencer3 will look for new scanner tool on Monday | 00:26 | |
| rickspencer3 | (only half joking) | 00:26 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell, it occurs to me that time for expense reports is next week, good chance to get lots of canonical folks o try your scanner tool | 00:26 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3, good idea | 00:27 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:15 |
| didrocks | Hello pitti | 07:16 |
| pitti | bonjour | 07:16 |
| huats | morning | 08:33 |
| didrocks | morning huats | 08:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you have any pointers on your straciatella session work (for guest session, I guess)? I want to work on the desktop UNE session | 08:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: guest and stracciatalla are quite different concepts; for UNE you probably want to look at the stracciatella one | 08:35 |
| pitti | didrocks: pointers> not really, except for the source package itself; it should be quite obvious, though | 08:35 |
| pitti | it's by and large a .desktop file | 08:35 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, I'm looking at the source package right now. Very similar to what I had in mind | 08:36 |
| pitti | and a new session script which wraps gnome-session with an env var | 08:36 |
| pitti | does UNE use gnome-session as well? | 08:36 |
| pitti | or has its own session program? | 08:37 |
| vuntz | lalala | 08:37 |
| didrocks | pitti: not sure. At first glance, it should use gnome-session but I need to confirm first (building a VM right now) | 08:37 |
| pitti | if g-s, we probably need to change gnome-session package itself and make its .desktop files test the session type | 08:37 |
| didrocks | hey vuntz! | 08:37 |
| pitti | bonjour vuntz, comment vas-tu? | 08:37 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok | 08:37 |
| vuntz | pitti: long hacking night, with some satisfying code in the end :-) | 08:38 |
| pitti | good! | 08:38 |
| didrocks | gnome-panel? :) | 08:38 |
| pitti | erm, I meant, "tres bien!" | 08:38 |
| vuntz | pitti: what do you mean with "make its .desktop files test the session type" ? | 08:38 |
| vuntz | didrocks: nah, some opensuse stuff | 08:38 |
| pitti | vuntz: like, don't start a panel or nautilus in a netbook session | 08:39 |
| pitti | those are started by g-s from gconf keys right now, right? | 08:39 |
| vuntz | ah, it's just a matter of having other desktop files providing Panel and whatever nautilus uses | 08:39 |
| pitti | and some others are autostart .desktop files | 08:39 |
| vuntz | X-GNOME-Provides=filemanager | 08:39 |
| vuntz | so just drop somewhere a .desktop file with X-GNOME-Provides=filemanager;panel; and voilà! | 08:40 |
| vuntz | (as long as the .desktop file is in a directory with a higher priority than /usr/share/applications) | 08:40 |
| * didrocks gives a try and will ping pitti and vuntz when needed :) | 08:41 | |
| pitti | yay | 08:41 |
| mac_v | hi.. why is the winbind package not installed by default? | 09:11 |
| mac_v | there is a bug filed for that , any specific reasons? | 09:12 |
| * mac_v wonders if everyone is still on US time ;) | 10:03 | |
| seb128 | US people probably | 10:04 |
| pitti | well, it's not really necessary to have by default | 10:04 |
| seb128 | hello pitti | 10:04 |
| * pitti waves to seb128 | 10:04 | |
| seb128 | pitti, is seahorse-agent working for you in lucid? | 10:04 |
| pitti | yes, apparently | 10:05 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:05 |
| seb128 | weird | 10:05 |
| pitti | well, I didn't reboot/restart after today's dist-upgrade yet | 10:05 |
| seb128 | it's not working since uds there | 10:06 |
| seb128 | I get a pinentry dialog | 10:06 |
| seb128 | ie | 10:06 |
| seb128 | env | grep GPG -> gpg-agent | 10:06 |
| seb128 | not seahorse | 10:06 |
| pitti | apparnetly you have gnupg2 installed? | 10:06 |
| seb128 | and the thing doesn't keep the token for my session | 10:06 |
| seb128 | but for half an hour or something | 10:07 |
| seb128 | indeed | 10:07 |
| seb128 | it was installed in karmic too | 10:08 |
| mac_v | seb128: could you translate > Bug 487980 , Bug 487986 ... or comment on the bug asking the reporter to edit the bug in english... I'm not sure If i reply in english he/she would understand :) | 10:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 487980 in hundredpapercuts "Ubuntu 9.10 KK: Interfaz demasiado grande..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487980 | 10:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 487986 in hundredpapercuts "Ubuntu 9.10 KK: Emulador de Nintendo presenta fallas en sonido" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487986 | 10:27 |
| seb128 | mac_v, it's not a language that I speak... | 10:28 |
| mac_v | seb128: oh.. it thought that was french... ah , nvm ;) | 10:28 |
| seb128 | mac_v, no it's not ;-) | 10:29 |
| mac_v | lol... my french has *not* deteriorated ... i thought i had forgotten so much i couldnt understand a word ;p | 10:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, do we still need to have user stories, etc in specs? | 10:35 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't care about them for most specs, where the rationale is obvious | 10:35 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 10:35 |
| pitti | like, desktop startup speed> forget it | 10:35 |
| seb128 | I hate writing those when the purpose is clear | 10:36 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:36 |
| pitti | seb128: I am still interested in them for e. g. a rhythmbox -> banshee switch | 10:36 |
| pitti | because there it matters for justification | 10:36 |
| seb128 | right | 10:36 |
| seb128 | pitti, doh, sorry for the user stories question before | 11:07 |
| pitti | ? | 11:08 |
| seb128 | I'm just reading your email now and you were quicker than me again ;-) | 11:08 |
| pitti | hah | 11:08 |
| * pitti changes his performance review to "answers questions before seb128 can raise them" | 11:08 | |
| seb128 | ;-) | 11:09 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 11:09 | |
| seb128 | pitti, spec ready for review = review or pending approval? | 11:41 |
| pitti | either | 11:41 |
| seb128 | the "definition" for the blueprint | 11:41 |
| seb128 | ok, I set it to review | 11:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-gnome-geoclue on your plate, I've drafted it for records but it's off map already for lucid... | 11:42 |
| seb128 | desrt played with geoclue at uds and it's not ready | 11:42 |
| pitti | ok, thanks; I'll put it off the lucid list then | 11:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 11:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, should I bother drafting the gnome3 one? it has been a discussion about GNOME changes coming this cycle and what we do for those | 11:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, ie it's "informational" | 11:44 |
| seb128 | I can write the record in the whiteboard but I don't fancy writing a wiki page for nothing | 11:45 |
| pitti | seb128: are there any work items for us in this cycle? | 11:45 |
| seb128 | no | 11:45 |
| pitti | don't bother then | 11:45 |
| seb128 | it's decisions on versions we will use | 11:45 |
| pitti | that sounds like work items :) | 11:45 |
| seb128 | and some note about where we need to be careful | 11:45 |
| pitti | package version foo: | 11:45 |
| pitti | but still doesn't require a wiki page | 11:45 |
| seb128 | package GNOME 2.30 for everything but... | 11:46 |
| pitti | so having just a list of things to watch out for/do seems sufficient | 11:46 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 11:46 |
| seb128 | I will just use the whiteboard for this one | 11:46 |
| pitti | in general, keep it as simple as possible :) | 11:46 |
| seb128 | I like that ;-) | 11:46 |
| asac | TheMuso: dtchen: where is the pulse packaging branch located? | 12:13 |
| asac | the core-dev one seems to be out of date? | 12:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks, there? | 12:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, about https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-compiz-effects | 12:25 |
| seb128 | pitti, do we need a real blueprint wiki, or is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lucid/CompizDefaults good enough? | 12:25 |
| pitti | seb128: fine for me, but it's not pointing out what to do for lucid; these would need to become work items (which we need anyway) | 12:28 |
| pitti | so, that plus WIs -> good | 12:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, I've added the wis to the whiteboard already ;-) | 12:28 |
| pitti | hm, what are djsiegels's settings? | 12:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, the bzr just before in the whiteboard | 12:31 |
| pitti | I see | 12:31 |
| seb128 | it's basically a collection of gconf settings | 12:31 |
| pitti | can I assign that spec to you? | 12:31 |
| seb128 | sure | 12:32 |
| pitti | approved then | 12:32 |
| pitti | seb128: btw, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-default-apps is ready for review, too :) | 12:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 12:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: here now :) | 12:51 |
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| seb128 | didrocks, do you want to be drafter for une session? | 12:52 |
| seb128 | I saw you started on the wikipage | 12:52 |
| seb128 | I'm drafter on the blueprint now but I'm happy to change that to you | 12:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: I can do it if you want as I'll certainly implement it | 12:53 |
| didrocks | should be quickly done | 12:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 12:53 |
| didrocks | y/w | 12:54 |
| seb128 | didrocks, not sure how busy you will be in the next weeks, should somebody take over your merges for lucid? | 12:54 |
| seb128 | ie I was looking at clutter-1.0 yeasterday | 12:54 |
| seb128 | should be easy, but it would be nice to send your change to the bts | 12:54 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I prefer to focus on UNE session first if you don't mind and I'll have not so much time next week | 12:55 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:55 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 12:55 |
| didrocks | seb128: I still can do those on universe, but for main/desktop set, as I don't still don't have any access, waiting for cjwaston's answer, it's more a waste of time to ask you to sponsor them, that's why I think it's better not waiting for me :) | 12:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, sponsoring is easy nowadays, I only debsign and upload for oyu | 13:00 |
| seb128 | you | 13:00 |
| seb128 | but if you are busy I can handle those no worry | 13:00 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'll ping you if I have some time to do it. The only one you can sponsor is vino as it was my testcase for upload right yesterday | 13:01 |
| seb128 | I didn't sponsor it on purpose, keeping it as a testcase | 13:01 |
| didrocks | ok :) | 13:02 |
| asac | TheMuso: there? | 13:05 |
| mvo | seb128: is there something like gconftool --dump --only-if-different-from-schema-default? | 13:15 |
| seb128 | mvo, not that I know about no | 13:15 |
| mvo | hm, ok. I check what I can do with python | 13:16 |
| seb128 | mvo, trying to backup compiz settings? | 13:17 |
| seb128 | mvo, reading .gconf/apps/something is sort of doing that | 13:17 |
| mvo | seb128: yes, well, sort-of. first trying to get a diff from the ones we currently use compared to the ones that djsiegel has | 13:18 |
| seb128 | mvo, gconftool-2 --config-source=xml:readonly:/home/mvo/.gconf --dump /apps/compiz | 13:20 |
| seb128 | mvo, gconftool-2 --config-source=xml:readonly:/home/mvo/.gconf --dump /apps/compiz, try that one | 13:20 |
| mvo | seb128: cool, will do | 13:20 |
| seb128 | mvo, well, that will read user changes | 13:22 |
| seb128 | so that might not do the "if user_value != default_value" | 13:22 |
| seb128 | but that's the best idea I've right now | 13:23 |
| mvo | yeah, it gives me too much. I try some gconf python now | 13:23 |
| tseliot | pitti: I've replied to your questions in the proprietary drivers spec. Feel free to move my answers to another place if you find their position to be confusing | 13:24 |
| pitti | tseliot: thanks | 13:37 |
| tseliot | np | 13:38 |
| mac_v | mvo: if backing up your compiz profile is the only thing you are looking for , you could do it , using ccsm | 13:38 |
| pitti | she | 13:39 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, cool: | 13:41 |
| pitti | Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-desktop: package set 'ubuntu-desktop' in lucid | 13:41 |
| pitti | the "lucid" one was missing yesterday | 13:41 |
| pitti | does it work now? | 13:41 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, do you fancy try upload rights? | 13:59 |
| seb128 | should be working now, not sure if you have anything to upload though | 13:59 |
| kklimonda | is archive reorganization scheduled for this cycle? | 14:00 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i can try it, but i need to find something to upload first | 14:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, don't bother if you don't have anything pending, next time you have something | 14:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, bug #487224 maybe | 14:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 487224 in gnome-power-manager "Depends on notification-daemon but should Recommends instead" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487224 | 14:03 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i can try that | 14:03 |
| chrisccoulson | i really need to start doing some merges tonight really | 14:04 |
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| chrisccoulson | seb128 - my g-p-m upload was accepted | 14:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, I guess what you are interested in for startup time is work items, right? | 14:16 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, rock on! | 14:16 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 14:16 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: yay!! | 14:18 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, didrocks, kenvandine: you can upload | 14:18 |
| pitti | seb128: sure | 14:18 |
| pitti | and Robert, too | 14:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, ready to review for you then | 14:18 |
| slomo | seb128: did you sync vala already? also, why is it in main? is something in main depending on it already or just because it's nice to have? :) | 14:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, he's not around though, I will tell him tonight when he joins | 14:19 |
| pitti | seb128: I didn't take a look at the foundations wiki page yet; it has some desktop-ish bits, too, right? | 14:19 |
| seb128 | slomo, not yet, will do that now, it's not in main but there was some mir because things want to build-dep on it | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | seb128, cool, thx! | 14:19 |
| pitti | slomo: it's not? | 14:19 |
| pitti | there's an approved MIR for it, but it won't get promoted until something actually pulls it in | 14:19 |
| pitti | on that note, I played with vala on the flight back home | 14:19 |
| pitti | quite nice, although horribly underdocumented | 14:20 |
| pitti | I like it | 14:20 |
| kenvandine | pitti, cool | 14:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, fundation, I captured what was on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/BootPerformance/Lucid/Desktop | 14:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, I didn't look at the X part though | 14:20 |
| kenvandine | i gotta finish these specs so i can start writing something real | 14:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, should I? | 14:20 |
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| slomo | pitti: oh it's not, right... i thought someone yesterday said it was in main :) | 14:21 |
| seb128 | slomo, I said the security team made the testsuite fail a requirement for main | 14:21 |
| seb128 | so we are proactive there ;-) | 14:21 |
| pitti | seb128: if there's something for us to do Xorg-wise, we should have WIs, yes | 14:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, I will try to figure that's not something we discussed during the session at uds | 14:22 |
| slomo | seb128: oh, ok :) | 14:22 |
| chrisccoulson | slomo - i did the MIR for vala when tracker started using it, and i was packaging tracker from GIT. this was before i realised that the distributed tarballs all have the vala code compiled anyway | 14:27 |
| seb128 | speaking about mir, does anybody fancy doing some of those? | 14:30 |
| seb128 | we need some new libraries for gvfs | 14:30 |
| seb128 | libiphone for example | 14:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, captured xorg wis for desktop speed and sent it your way now | 14:31 |
| pitti | and upload fu announced to -desktop@ | 14:34 |
| pitti | seb128: you rock, thanks | 14:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, you rock too, thanks ;-) | 14:34 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 14:34 | |
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| seb128 | sabotage! | 14:46 |
| seb128 | somebody cleaned the desktop-lucid-default-apps gobby document... | 14:46 |
| pitti | oh, does that mean the spec is cancelled? :-) | 14:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, is that a lame try to sneak away from this one? ;-) | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | i guess that means we ship gimp :) | 14:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, approved btw | 14:50 |
| pitti | \o/ | 14:50 |
| * seb128 done with first round of drafting | 14:50 | |
| * pitti bids farewell to gimp, chess, and tetravex | 14:51 | |
| seb128 | time to update the mini 10 to lucid and start bootcharting | 14:51 |
| seb128 | and do some packaging work | 14:51 |
| pitti | seb128: yay | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | have fun seb128! | 14:51 |
| seb128 | I will ;-) | 14:51 |
| pitti | seb128: try removing the pulse xsession.d and upgrade to mvo's new compiz | 14:51 |
| * kenvandine wants a mini 10, but will wait and see what arm devices come :) | 14:51 | |
| seb128 | I'm eager to try how much speedup the compiz do | 14:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, will do | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | tired of using the portuguese keyboard on my classmate | 14:52 |
| kenvandine | very hard to use vi :) | 14:52 |
| pitti | kenvandine: what keeps you from switching to US? | 14:52 |
| mvo | seb128: its ftbfs because of some kde4 issues :/ | 14:52 |
| kenvandine | the keyboard? i can't find one | 14:52 |
| kenvandine | i use the right layout | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | but the keys are a bit funky | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | if i used it everyday i would get used to it, but i only use it when i travel | 14:53 |
| seb128 | mvo, not cool | 14:54 |
| kenvandine | it only bothers me in vim, but i use vim allot | 14:54 |
| seb128 | try emacs? | 14:54 |
| * seb128 runs | 14:54 | |
| kenvandine | bah! | 14:54 |
| kenvandine | i bet that would suck just as much on this keyboard :) | 14:54 |
| * kenvandine <3 vim | 14:55 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, does your mini 10 have ssd? | 14:55 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:55 |
| kenvandine | cool | 14:55 |
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| seb128 | bah, almost 60meg to install bootchart... | 15:54 |
| pitti | seb128: pybootchartgui FTW | 15:54 |
| pitti | avoids the java stuff | 15:54 |
| pitti | and works just as nicely | 15:54 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, ^ which one do you use? | 15:54 |
| Keybuk | bootchart-java :) | 15:54 |
| Keybuk | though it doesn't work in lucid | 15:55 |
| Keybuk | so I may actually switch to finally using (and fixing up) the python one | 15:55 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, is pybootchartgui buggy? | 15:55 |
| seb128 | hum | 15:55 |
| seb128 | worded differently I don't care about what is running I want something I can use to bootchart lucid desktop and start boot speed work | 15:55 |
| seb128 | less to download is better if the python one works | 15:56 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 15:58 |
| Keybuk | settle on the python one | 15:58 |
| pitti | I have used nothing else in the past half year, and Keybuk didn't harass me for sending bad charts ... yet | 15:59 |
| Keybuk | I'm going to use that on the daily bootcharts I think | 15:59 |
| Keybuk | for a while, it gave ugly output | 15:59 |
| Keybuk | but I fixed that | 15:59 |
| Keybuk | and never got around to switching myself ;) | 15:59 |
| pitti | heh | 15:59 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 15:59 |
| seb128 | much faster to get indeed ;-) | 15:59 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:04 |
| seb128 | doesn't work out of the box on karmic? | 16:04 |
| seb128 | I rebooted and nothing in /var/log/bootchart | 16:04 |
| seb128 | it's there now | 16:05 |
| seb128 | it was probably processing datas | 16:05 |
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| pitti | mvo: ooh, arch-build gone from update-notifier \o/ | 16:22 |
| * pitti hugs bzr-bd | 16:22 | |
| mvo | pitti: yeah, pretty much gone from all stuff since some time, bzr bd ftw! | 16:23 |
| pitti | mvo: what causes autoreconf to be called now? | 16:25 |
| mvo | its not done automatically anymore iirc | 16:26 |
| pitti | so how does bzr bd -S work then? | 16:27 |
| seb128 | mvo, alter! how do I use an usb stick as a source for update? | 16:30 |
| seb128 | I did apt-cdrom add it | 16:30 |
| seb128 | but it doesn't find packages on it | 16:30 |
| mvo | pitti: eh, sorry. bzr-builddeb/default.conf has "pre-build = autogen.sh" | 16:30 |
| seb128 | it's a current lucid iso writen on the key | 16:30 |
| mvo | seb128: just copy the debs to /var/cache/apt/archives | 16:31 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:31 |
| seb128 | I can't use the key as a cdrom? | 16:31 |
| mvo | seb128: that should work too, its just a bit tricky, easiest is probably to just make /cdrom point to it | 16:32 |
| mvo | so edit fstab, point /cdrom to the stick apt-cdrom add | 16:32 |
| seb128 | I did apt-cdrom add -d mountpoint | 16:34 |
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| seb128 | hum | 16:36 |
| seb128 | there is not a lot of deb on this image | 16:36 |
| seb128 | mvo, how does the "dist-upgrade from cd" magic works? | 16:37 |
| seb128 | everything is in the casper image no? | 16:37 |
| mvo | seb128: is this a regular cd? then it won't :/ only alternate or dvd iamges | 16:38 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 16:38 |
| seb128 | I though we had prompt for "new ubuntu version detected do you want to upgrade" for a while | 16:39 |
| seb128 | I used to get those | 16:39 |
| seb128 | nevermind then | 16:39 |
| seb128 | I will just try a lucid install | 16:39 |
| mvo | seb128: hrm, odd. I can not reproduce the compiz build failure in a clean chroot | 16:44 |
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| and471 | mpt:hi | 17:16 |
| mpt | Hi and471! | 17:16 |
| and471 | mpt: thanks for mentioning me at the software-center presentation, I watched it the other day :-) | 17:16 |
| mpt | ah, you're welcome | 17:16 |
| and471 | mpt: hehe it was quite a suprise to have my name suddenly pop-up on screen :-) | 17:16 |
| and471 | mpt: I have a question about the application details view | 17:17 |
| and471 | mpt, at the moment we display a throbber until the image is loaded | 17:17 |
| and471 | mpt, is this neccessary, or can we have the image just fade in | 17:17 |
| and471 | mpt, I think it looks a bit better | 17:17 |
| mpt | and471, without seeing it, my inclination would be to keep the throbber. But do you have a throbberless demo branch on LP I could try? | 17:18 |
| and471 | mpt: not yet | 17:18 |
| and471 | mpt: I was just doing some work on making the throbber we use, be the one from the gtk theme | 17:19 |
| mpt | ah, cool | 17:19 |
| and471 | mpt: I have done this for all throbbers except for this one, and I wanted to check I needed to do the work :-) | 17:19 |
| and471 | mpt: would a video of it suffice? | 17:20 |
| mpt | and471, I think pushing a branch would be just as easy, and more thoroughly testable, than a video | 17:20 |
| and471 | mpt: okay | 17:21 |
| and471 | mpt: it just a bit of a hacky remove of the throbber atm, that is why :-) | 17:21 |
| and471 | mpt, here is the branch (may have to wait for it to update) https://code.launchpad.net/~rugby471/software-center/appdetails-experiments | 17:24 |
| KelderP | Has anyone experience with an jaunty-karmic upgrade a system which is configured in an Active Directory environment? | 17:31 |
| mpt | thanks and471 -- I need to try that with a really slow Internet connection | 17:34 |
| mpt | mvo, what was that trick you used to make screenshots load slowly? | 17:34 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, your uds bootchart was on the mini10? | 17:35 |
| Keybuk | yes | 17:35 |
| seb128 | weird | 17:35 |
| seb128 | mines are quite different | 17:35 |
| seb128 | copying those online, one sec | 17:35 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/bootchart | 17:37 |
| Keybuk | your lucid one looks like mine | 17:38 |
| Keybuk | except you have sreadhead not ureadahead | 17:38 |
| Keybuk | (which explains the extra few seconds faster mine is <g>) | 17:38 |
| Keybuk | they just 403d | 17:38 |
| seb128 | ok | 17:39 |
| Keybuk | I can't see the charts now :( | 17:40 |
| Keybuk | but if you add the ubuntu-boot PPA for karmic, you get ureadahead too | 17:40 |
| Keybuk | I include that in my charts because it's going to be uploaded ANY DAY NOW | 17:40 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, ok thanks | 17:41 |
| seb128 | I won't bother about karmic | 17:41 |
| Keybuk | err | 17:41 |
| seb128 | just keep that box on lucid uptodate and measure weekly progress | 17:41 |
| Keybuk | I mean for lucid | 17:41 |
| seb128 | right, my comment was about the ubuntu-boot ppa | 17:42 |
| Keybuk | I need to upload the separated out libnih to lucid | 17:42 |
| Keybuk | but the lucid valgrind is a *lot* pickier | 17:42 |
| Keybuk | so I need to update my suppressions file for my tests to pass | 17:42 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I put ureadahead in ubuntu-boot ppa for lucid too - until I upload it to lucid proper | 17:42 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, at what point do you consider the box loaded? | 17:43 |
| Keybuk | when both the CPU and I/O charts fall flat | 17:43 |
| seb128 | after the gnome-panel colored bar at ~26s? | 17:43 |
| Keybuk | I've got a bit of Python that works it out from the .tgz | 17:43 |
| Keybuk | since I ripped half the code out of pybootchartgui to make that bit of Python | 17:43 |
| Keybuk | I'm going to plug it back in and upload | 17:43 |
| seb128 | ok, cool | 17:44 |
| Keybuk | yeah, 26s on yours | 17:44 |
| and471 | mpt http://superuser.com/questions/66574/how-to-throttle-bandwidth-on-a-linux-network-interface | 17:44 |
| Keybuk | damnit | 17:45 |
| Keybuk | need to backport python-support to hardy | 17:45 |
| and471 | mpt: I think there are some problems with the code (the image isn't loaded), however I could work it out | 17:51 |
| mvo | mpt: you can either use trickle or (simpler) just apply a small patch in the code that adds a sleep at the right place | 17:55 |
| mvo | and471: hey! | 17:55 |
| and471 | mvo: hi there | 17:55 |
| mvo | and471: I guess I need to merge your branch :) | 17:55 |
| and471 | mvo: if you wouldn't mind :-) | 17:56 |
| Keybuk | daily@zelda:~$ python /home/scott/guess-time.py 20091116/max/max-lucid-20091125-2.tgz | 17:56 |
| Keybuk | Total boot: 24.96 | 17:56 |
| Keybuk | Kernel: 4.25 | 17:56 |
| Keybuk | (1.72) | 17:56 |
| Keybuk | Plumbing: 3.26 | 17:56 |
| Keybuk | X: 4.01 | 17:56 |
| Keybuk | Desktop: 13.44 | 17:56 |
| Keybuk | sweeeeet | 17:56 |
| and471 | mvo: just wait | 17:57 |
| and471 | mvo, there is one thing I need to push | 17:57 |
| Keybuk | seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~scott/guess-time.py | 17:57 |
| and471 | mvo: okay pushed now | 17:57 |
| Keybuk | seb128: could you run that over your chart for comparison | 17:57 |
| mvo | and471: merging now | 17:58 |
| mvo | and471: you removed all the progress.pngs? | 17:58 |
| and471 | Keybuk, that link gives a 404 | 17:58 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, trying, I've fixed the permission issue btw sorry about that | 17:58 |
| and471 | mvo: yup | 17:58 |
| and471 | mvo, I am using one file now | 17:59 |
| mvo | aha, nice | 17:59 |
| and471 | mvo, all the frames are in one file now | 17:59 |
| and471 | mvo, a png | 17:59 |
| Keybuk | fixed | 17:59 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, and what and471 says | 17:59 |
| * Keybuk puts it in public_html instead of calling it pubic_html | 17:59 | |
| seb128 | Keybuk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/327864/ | 18:03 |
| Keybuk | seb128: that's on the lucid tgz? | 18:03 |
| seb128 | yes | 18:04 |
| seb128 | I didn't keep the karmic ones | 18:04 |
| Keybuk | ok | 18:04 |
| Keybuk | probably a bit lax on where it says it stops then | 18:04 |
| seb128 | I've reinstalled the box was faster than upgrading | 18:04 |
| Keybuk | in the script, change the 3.0s to 2.0? | 18:04 |
| mvo | and471: thanks, that I a bit to review! I will do it tomorrow morning and merge/mail you about it | 18:05 |
| * mvo needs to leave early today | 18:05 | |
| Keybuk | actually I guess I should actually find the first interval where the load is <25% *and the average for the next 3s is <25% | 18:06 |
| Keybuk | not just an average 3s | 18:06 |
| Keybuk | thanks :) | 18:06 |
| and471 | mvo, sure I understand | 18:06 |
| * mvo waves | 18:11 | |
| seb128_ | re | 18:26 |
| seb128_ | pitti, got what I was saying before disconnection? | 18:26 |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 18:41 |
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| seb128 | TheMuso, do you plan to drop the pulseaudio wrapper in lucid? | 21:05 |
| dtchen | it was already dropped in bzr | 21:11 |
| dtchen | ogra's upload didn't merge in those changes; I'll work on that now | 21:12 |
| TheMuso | Ogra couldn't find the bzr branch? Its in the debian/control file and shows up in apt-cache showsrc pulseaudio. :S | 21:15 |
| dtchen | well, reading his ping in ubuntu-devel, it looks like he saw it but was unsure how to proceed | 21:17 |
| dtchen | and IRC is really the worst way to reach me during USA east coast business hours due to a direct collision with my work hours :/ | 21:18 |
| seb128 | I think somebody said it was not uptodate | 21:18 |
| dtchen | bzr is 100% current with upstream's stable branches | 21:20 |
| dtchen | it isn't 100% current with HEAD; I have a separate bzr branch for that | 21:21 |
| TheMuso | Right, makes sense. | 21:22 |
| dtchen | ok, branch updated | 21:36 |
| TheMuso | dtchen: thanks | 21:45 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell! | 22:07 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, just upgraded to lucid. gobject-introspection seems broken :( | 22:07 |
| seb128 | right, good news is that you can fix it | 22:08 |
| seb128 | uploads work for desktop team now | 22:08 |
| seb128 | or probably I didn't check if those are in the desktop set | 22:08 |
| robert_ancell | yay! | 22:09 |
| Amaranth | seb128: Looks like the compiz without a shell script has been uploaded, did you see any speedup with it? | 22:12 |
| seb128 | Amaranth, no but it failed to build first and got retried and built on i386 only so far | 22:12 |
| seb128 | I will try again tomorrow | 22:13 |
| Amaranth | hrm, wonder why it failed | 22:13 |
| Amaranth | oh, that explains the flood of messages from launchpad :) | 22:14 |
| seb128 | kde transition apparently... | 22:14 |
| Amaranth | ah, dang | 22:15 |
| Amaranth | yeah I see the log now | 22:15 |
| Amaranth | It failed to find the stuff to build kde4-window-decorator and didn't bail at that point so dh_install failed instead | 22:15 |
| seb128 | time to go to bed there! | 22:18 |
| seb128 | 'night | 22:18 |
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| seb128 | robert_ancell, no need to ask sponsoring for gnome updates, just upload now ;-) | 22:19 |
| seb128 | bye | 22:19 |
| Amaranth | Hrm, where is the GNOME-Do guy when you need him? | 22:29 |
| Amaranth | I always forget his name :) | 22:29 |
| dtchen | "DBO"? | 22:29 |
| dtchen | Amaranth: Jason, IIRC | 22:34 |
| Amaranth | no no, I know who DBO is :) | 22:34 |
| Amaranth | djsiegel or something | 22:35 |
| Amaranth | I guess he is handling compiz settings in lucid so I need to talk to him before I drop extrawm from the defaults so we can push compiz-fusion-plugins-extra out to universe | 22:35 |
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