| dtchen | asac: capture is tricky. PA sometimes does odd things with mixer controls. I've only read about it second- / third-hand (can't reproduce it locally due to limited hw). | 00:03 |
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| fta | micahg, scim? | 00:06 |
| micahg | fta: no, uim | 00:06 |
| micahg | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uim | 00:06 |
| fta | too bad, scim has been crashing for months, if not years | 00:07 |
| fta | and scim is an uim | 00:07 |
| fta | a | 00:07 |
| micahg | been crashing firefox? | 00:07 |
| fta | no, just itself | 00:07 |
| micahg | I felt bad for the guy who ran around so much, so I tried to push it through | 00:08 |
| dtchen | asac: I can't see anything in the changes that would have killed it? When it happens again, please file a bug against pulseaudio and also use "apport-collect -p alsa-base #" | 00:20 |
| asac | dtchen: its really odd. started again with no real cause | 00:51 |
| asac | previousl reboots didnt help | 00:51 |
| asac | this time it helped :( | 00:51 |
| asac | linphone-3 if you want to try that ;) | 00:51 |
| asac | this time reboot helped - after it suddenly started working without reboot that is ;) | 00:51 |
| fta | asac, [21:30] <fta> asac, the meta bug: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28287 | 01:01 |
| dtchen | asac: would need amixer output at the least | 01:01 |
| dtchen | fta: your issue with ALSA apps routed through the pulse pcm plugin is really quite hairy. It turned out to be a perfect storm of linux + alsa-plugins. | 01:02 |
| dtchen | fta: and, for better or worse, it affects every single current Linux distribution released in the past 6 months. | 01:03 |
| fta | i thought i was alone, hence the lack of fixes for months :P | 01:03 |
| dtchen | also, I can't believe I spent an entire weekend chasing it. I'm going to sleep for a week or something. | 01:03 |
| asac | dtchen: what kind of amixer output? | 01:04 |
| asac | is that really useful? i clearly use the pulse plugin ;) | 01:05 |
| dtchen | asac: yes, I need to see what the ALSA driver thinks the hw mixer state is | 01:05 |
| dtchen | asac: (and your recording issue isn't tied to the bits above) | 01:06 |
| fta | dtchen, do you have a bug i can follow? | 01:06 |
| dtchen | fta: 485488 | 01:07 |
| fta | lp? | 01:07 |
| fta | bug 485488 | 01:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 485488 in alsa-plugins "Applications routed through the pulse pcm alsa-plugin crackle/die quickly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485488 | 01:08 |
| fta | good, that's the same | 01:09 |
| dtchen | the nasty part is that we could update every single ALSA app to use the new semantics with some tweaks | 01:09 |
| dtchen | but that, uh, isn't going to scale | 01:10 |
| dtchen | further, it breaks completely for non-HDA drivers | 01:10 |
| dtchen | so I'm going to have to patch linux and alsa-plugins both :( | 01:10 |
| fta | uh | 01:11 |
| fta | patching apps won't help those runing non free games | 01:12 |
| dtchen | that's precisely my point | 01:12 |
| dtchen | the original changes to sound/pci/hda/hda* were for latency adjustments to make PA work better | 01:12 |
| dtchen | well, they certainly achieved that part *as long as native PA backends* were used | 01:13 |
| dtchen | the pulse pcm plugin has to handle all legacy apps and is thus much more constrained | 01:13 |
| micahg | TB3 RC1 released | 01:38 |
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| _Tsk_ | asac ? | 08:13 |
| _Tsk_ | what version of enigmail do you package these days ? | 08:13 |
| micahg | !info enigmail | 08:14 |
| ubottu | enigmail (source: enigmail): Enigmail - GPG support for Thunderbird. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:0.95.7-1ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 332 kB, installed size 1452 kB | 08:14 |
| _Tsk_ | !info thunderbird | 08:16 |
| ubottu | thunderbird (source: thunderbird): mail/news client with RSS and integrated spam filter support. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.23+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 11814 kB, installed size 35316 kB | 08:16 |
| micahg | _Tsk_: we'll have to bump it for Lucid and TB3 | 08:17 |
| _Tsk_ | micahg: Is enigmailed packed in PPA ? | 08:18 |
| micahg | _Tsk_: not right now, we might do that later in teh karmic cycle | 08:18 |
| _Tsk_ | micahg: thanks | 08:18 |
| micahg | _Tsk_: I meant Lucid cycle :) | 08:19 |
| micahg | asac: FYI FF3.6 and 3.7 branches don't have translations in .desktop yet | 08:22 |
| Unggnu | hi all | 08:47 |
| Unggnu | Does anyone know how to get the "undo closed tab" option in the context menu back in Firefox 3.6? | 08:48 |
| Unggnu | If I use the archive from mozilla.com I have one but not with the amd64 build from the repository | 08:48 |
| micahg | Unggnu: I don't know, I was wondering that myself | 09:28 |
| Unggnu | micahg, ok | 09:28 |
| micahg | Unggnu: are you using the daily build? | 09:29 |
| Unggnu | Someone the menu item is also missing in Firefox 3.6 in Gentoo | 09:29 |
| Unggnu | micahg, yes | 09:29 |
| micahg | ugh, another 64 bit issue | 09:29 |
| Unggnu | but it is definitely there in the tar-Archive from the MOzilla-HP | 09:29 |
| micahg | Unggnu: are you trying a 64 bit Mozilla build? | 09:29 |
| Unggnu | micahg, yes | 09:29 |
| micahg | Unggnu: and that has it? | 09:29 |
| Unggnu | the 64 Bit from the daily not, the 32 Bit from the HP-Archive has it | 09:30 |
| Unggnu | I couldn't use the 32 Bit because all my plugins are 64 Bit | 09:30 |
| micahg | Unggnu: yeah, I think it might be a 64 bit issue | 09:31 |
| Unggnu | probably | 09:31 |
| * micahg is checking for a Mozilla 64 bit build | 09:32 | |
| Unggnu | They only have the 32 Bit one precompiled I guess | 09:32 |
| Unggnu | Thanks for testing. I have to go, ciao. | 09:35 |
| asac | fta: didnt we parse lsb-release at some point? | 12:36 |
| asac | in xulrunner build ? | 12:36 |
| asac | i want to add a CFLAGS just for lucid ;) | 12:36 |
| asac | fta: http://pastebin.com/f7f85bfc8 | 12:40 |
| asac | that? | 12:40 |
| asac | dtchen: i have still no idea how to get any output from alsamixer | 12:54 |
| asac | it happens now again | 12:54 |
| asac | no input | 12:54 |
| asac | how can i hard reset everything? | 12:54 |
| fta | asac, i use lsb_release in chromium too, i needed to match the dev versions, lucid or sid, but without hardcoding those names | 14:21 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/327663/ | 14:21 |
| asac | fta: what is the depends? just lsb-release? | 14:22 |
| asac | or also lsb-base? | 14:22 |
| armin76 | asac: did you fix sparc, slacker? | 14:22 |
| fta | asac, just lsb-release | 14:22 |
| asac | http://pastebin.com/f1bcfe2c1 | 14:23 |
| asac | fta: ^^ | 14:23 |
| asac | sounds sound? | 14:23 |
| asac | oh ... also need to match for armel ;) | 14:23 |
| * armin76 feels ignored by asac | 14:24 | |
| asac | and a typo | 14:24 |
| asac | ;) | 14:24 |
| asac | armin76: you gave me a patch to integrate ;)? | 14:24 |
| armin76 | asac: there's no patch, its a hack you need to do at buildtime | 14:25 |
| asac | fta: http://pastebin.com/f1e6d9da1 that one | 14:25 |
| asac | armin76: what kind? | 14:25 |
| armin76 | asac: i explained it on the bug! :( | 14:25 |
| armin76 | now he'll say: what bug? | 14:25 |
| fta | asac, better, the 1st one should have targetted armel or arm, or armv7 or whatever the arch name is | 14:26 |
| armin76 | armel | 14:26 |
| asac | armel | 14:26 |
| armin76 | slow | 14:26 |
| asac | ok committed | 14:27 |
| pace_t_zulu_ | is it known that chromium doesn't install on lucid? | 15:01 |
| asac | not to me :/ | 15:01 |
| pace_t_zulu_ | or perhaps i'm experiencing this issue on my system alone | 15:01 |
| asac | fta: ^^ | 15:01 |
| asac | doesnt instlal? maybe ppas dont have lucid yet? | 15:01 |
| pace_t_zulu_ | i can pastebin what i see | 15:01 |
| * asac no clue about lucid atm | 15:01 | |
| pace_t_zulu_ | they do | 15:01 |
| pace_t_zulu_ | it's the ffmpeg | 15:01 |
| asac | ah | 15:02 |
| asac | wait for fta ... i would think he is already on lucid this time | 15:02 |
| pace_t_zulu_ | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/327705 | 15:03 |
| pace_t_zulu_ | that's what happens at the console | 15:03 |
| pace_t_zulu_ | ok... i'll check in for fta today | 15:04 |
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| asac | hmm most likely the -ffmpeg wasnt copied to lucid repo | 15:10 |
| asac | pace_t_zulu: check if adding karmic repo helps | 15:10 |
| pace_t_zulu | will do | 15:11 |
| fta | just copied the karmic debs to lucid | 15:11 |
| pace_t_zulu | enabling the karmic repo solves it | 15:13 |
| pace_t_zulu | thanks asac | 15:13 |
| asac | np | 15:15 |
| asac | pace_t_zulu: remember to disable them again. fta now copied the ffmpeg stuff to lucid too ... so all should be fine for the future | 15:16 |
| pace_t_zulu | asac: ya ... glad it's worked out | 15:17 |
| pace_t_zulu | now someone installing alpha 1 won't have this problem ;) | 15:17 |
| pace_t_zulu | so it did just crash when i navigated to launchpad.net | 15:19 |
| pace_t_zulu | it being chromium | 15:19 |
| asac | right. thats ok i guess ;) | 15:20 |
| asac | hehe | 15:20 |
| pace_t_zulu | not reproducible... :? | 15:21 |
| pace_t_zulu | :/ | 15:21 |
| pace_t_zulu | ok... so it's good to go | 15:21 |
| pace_t_zulu | thanks guys | 15:25 |
| asac | ok lets hope this sound mess is fixed on .32-rc8 | 15:30 |
| * asac goes for it | 15:30 | |
| asac | vanilla | 15:30 |
| asac | damn .. .all the US is lagging ;) | 15:30 |
| asac | everyone on holiday | 15:30 |
| asac | sigh | 15:30 |
| cyphermox | on hilday? | 15:54 |
| cyphermox | *holiday | 15:54 |
| asac | cyphermox: thanks giving preperations i guess ;) | 16:17 |
| cyphermox | asac, it's thanksgiving soon? | 16:21 |
| * cyphermox is clueless, partly because of being French Canadian, partly because of a bad cold :) | 16:21 | |
| asac | i think its tomorrow and friday | 16:32 |
| asac | or something | 16:32 |
| kenvandine | fta, thx for adding me to the bot mail :) | 16:51 |
| kenvandine | asac, tomorrow is thanksgiving, but in the US most people get friday as a holiday too | 16:51 |
| kenvandine | technically not a holiday for us though, but most of us will be taking it off i am sure | 16:51 |
| asac | kk thx for demystifying ;) | 16:53 |
| kenvandine | kids don't have school today either, and my wife invited a bunch of neighbor kids over to occupy our's... i am happy to lock my office door and crank up the music :) | 16:54 |
| asac | kenvandine: enjoy ;) | 16:54 |
| asac | kenvandine: if you know how to debug alsa capture devices going through pulse plugin, i am here ;) | 16:55 |
| asac | (jus because of music ;)) | 16:56 |
| kenvandine | haha... nope, i avoid pulse/alsa stuff :) | 16:56 |
| fta | kenvandine, np, i just noticed i need to merge the branches since i moved back to trunk | 16:58 |
| fta | done. let's see if that's enough | 16:59 |
| fta | asac, FIREFOX_3_6b4_RELEASE | 17:01 |
| asac | linphone-warning : Could not attach mixer to card: Invalid argument | 17:04 |
| asac | that doesnt sound good | 17:04 |
| asac | what does that mean ;)? | 17:04 |
| asac | is the mixer important :) | 17:04 |
| asac | ? | 17:04 |
| kenvandine | sounds like it is bypassing pulse completely and going for alsa | 17:07 |
| fta | asac, i was thinking.. your -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb should probably be in configure | 17:08 |
| asac | fta: it will get added to toolchain ... but we want something before doko comes back ;) | 17:10 |
| asac | from vac | 17:11 |
| asac | so this is the quick and dirty way ;) | 17:11 |
| fta | gasp, i broke it | 17:20 |
| fta | grrr, wtf | 17:25 |
| fta | bzr crash | 17:30 |
| asac | fta: do you know what dtchen meant by saying he wants output of amixer? | 17:47 |
| asac | for me that opens a curses app ;) | 17:47 |
| fta | for me, it spits text | 17:49 |
| fta | alsa-utils: /usr/bin/amixer | 17:50 |
| fta | asac, ^^ | 17:50 |
| asac | fta: spits text? | 17:54 |
| asac | hmm | 17:54 |
| asac | oh | 17:54 |
| asac | ok | 17:54 |
| debfx | could the firefox and abrowser branding packages provide a symlink with the same name that points to their application icons? | 18:08 |
| debfx | the firefox kde integration helper app needs a constant name for the icon | 18:09 |
| asac | maybe | 18:12 |
| asac | not sure | 18:12 |
| asac | i thought that the installer is supposed to be removed if the browser package got installed | 18:13 |
| asac | at least thats what came out of UDS discussion ;) | 18:13 |
| debfx | i'm not talking about the installer | 18:21 |
| debfx | http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse/firefox-kde-opensuse/trees/master/kmozillahelper | 18:21 |
| debfx | that's the helper app nedded for the kde integration from opensuse | 18:22 |
| debfx | it needs a static icon name for the download finished popups | 18:24 |
| fta | asac, something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/327941/ | 19:53 |
| dtchen | asac: weekday USA east coast business hours are *really* bad for debugging on IRC; I pretty much have to use LP bug mail for ping-pong due to work restrictions | 21:01 |
| dtchen | asac: that said, I noticed the playback controls for 'Capture' on your usb headset is muted | 21:02 |
| BUGabundo | ola | 21:49 |
| BUGabundo | is it just me or is gwibber fonts *very* small on lucid? | 22:24 |
| fta | lol | 22:28 |
| fta | kenvandine, ^^ | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | I don't think you get what I'm saying | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | its *really really* small | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | like size 8 | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | and on a 13.3" laptop I can barelly read it :( | 22:29 |
| fta | it's the fix for http://jordanhall.co.uk/ubuntu-linux/gwibber-large-fonts-in-ubuntu-9.10-karmic-koala-issue/ | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | what fix? its worse | 22:30 |
| fta | it was too big before | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | and now there isn't even an option to change it on gwibber | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | not for me | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | it was great | 22:30 |
| fta | let me upgrade | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | now I can read it | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | it has been like this for a week or so | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | no.. 3 days | 22:31 |
| fta | Nov 23 21:49:09 <kenvandine> fta, i want to see why ryan was doing the +2 thing | 22:31 |
| fta | Nov 23 21:57:30 <kenvandine> ok... it was to compensate for a bug in an older webkit version | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | kenvandine: why was the local preference to change size removed ?? | 22:32 |
| fta | Nov 23 21:47:27 <kenvandine> i have a fix for that | 22:32 |
| fta | Nov 23 21:47:35 <kenvandine> including the preferences ui that lies | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | not having one is worse... | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | darn upgrades... | 22:32 |
| fta | Nov 23 21:49:34 <kenvandine> but aside from that, the preferences UI says you can over-ride fonts | 22:32 |
| fta | Nov 23 21:49:36 <kenvandine> but you can't | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | I could | 22:33 |
| BUGabundo | I used too | 22:33 |
| BUGabundo | at least on older (karmic <alpha3) | 22:33 |
| fta | reorder that chronologically | 22:33 |
| fta | asac, SUNBIRD_1_0b1_RELEASE | 22:34 |
| micahg | asac: what do yostoneu think of setting up milestones for firefox so that I can mark upstream fix released on the proper mile | 22:47 |
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