[00:03] <dtchen> asac: capture is tricky. PA sometimes does odd things with mixer controls. I've only read about it second- / third-hand (can't reproduce it locally due to limited hw).
[00:06] <fta> micahg, scim?
[00:06] <micahg> fta: no, uim
[00:06] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uim
[00:07] <fta> too bad, scim has been crashing for months, if not years
[00:07] <fta> and scim is an uim
[00:07] <fta> a
[00:07] <micahg> been crashing firefox?
[00:07] <fta> no, just itself
[00:08] <micahg> I felt bad for the guy who ran around so much, so I tried to push it through
[00:20] <dtchen> asac: I can't see anything in the changes that would have killed it? When it happens again, please file a bug against pulseaudio and also use "apport-collect -p alsa-base #"
[00:51] <asac> dtchen: its really odd. started again with no real cause
[00:51] <asac> previousl reboots didnt help
[00:51] <asac> this time it helped :(
[00:51] <asac> linphone-3 if you want to try that ;)
[00:51] <asac> this time reboot helped - after it suddenly started working without reboot  that is ;)
[01:01] <fta> asac, [21:30] <fta> asac, the meta bug: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28287
[01:01] <dtchen> asac: would need amixer output at the least
[01:02] <dtchen> fta: your issue with ALSA apps routed through the pulse pcm plugin is really quite hairy. It turned out to be a perfect storm of linux + alsa-plugins.
[01:03] <dtchen> fta: and, for better or worse, it affects every single current Linux distribution released in the past 6 months.
[01:03] <fta> i thought i was alone, hence the lack of fixes for months :P
[01:03] <dtchen> also, I can't believe I spent an entire weekend chasing it. I'm going to sleep for a week or something.
[01:04] <asac> dtchen: what kind of amixer output?
[01:05] <asac> is that really useful? i clearly use the pulse plugin ;)
[01:05] <dtchen> asac: yes, I need to see what the ALSA driver thinks the hw mixer state is
[01:06] <dtchen> asac: (and your recording issue isn't tied to the bits above)
[01:06] <fta> dtchen, do you have a bug i can follow?
[01:07] <dtchen> fta: 485488
[01:07] <fta> lp?
[01:08] <fta> bug 485488
[01:09] <fta> good, that's the same
[01:09] <dtchen> the nasty part is that we could update every single ALSA app to use the new semantics with some tweaks
[01:10] <dtchen> but that, uh, isn't going to scale
[01:10] <dtchen> further, it breaks completely for non-HDA drivers
[01:10] <dtchen> so I'm going to have to patch linux and alsa-plugins both :(
[01:11] <fta> uh
[01:12] <fta> patching apps won't help those runing non free games
[01:12] <dtchen> that's precisely my point
[01:12] <dtchen> the original changes to sound/pci/hda/hda* were for latency adjustments to make PA work better
[01:13] <dtchen> well, they certainly achieved that part *as long as native PA backends* were used
[01:13] <dtchen> the pulse pcm plugin has to handle all legacy apps and is thus much more constrained
[01:38] <micahg> TB3 RC1 released
[08:13] <_Tsk_> asac ?
[08:13] <_Tsk_> what version of enigmail do you package these days ?
[08:14] <micahg> !info enigmail
[08:16] <_Tsk_> !info thunderbird
[08:17] <micahg> _Tsk_: we'll have to bump it for Lucid and TB3
[08:18] <_Tsk_> micahg:  Is enigmailed packed in PPA ?
[08:18] <micahg> _Tsk_: not right now, we might do that later in teh karmic cycle
[08:18] <_Tsk_> micahg:  thanks
[08:19] <micahg> _Tsk_: I meant Lucid cycle :)
[08:22] <micahg> asac: FYI FF3.6 and 3.7 branches don't have translations in .desktop yet
[08:47] <Unggnu> hi all
[08:48] <Unggnu> Does anyone know how to get the "undo closed tab" option in the context menu back in Firefox 3.6?
[08:48] <Unggnu> If I use the archive from mozilla.com I have one but not with the amd64 build from the repository
[09:28] <micahg> Unggnu: I don't know, I was wondering that myself
[09:28] <Unggnu> micahg, ok
[09:29] <micahg> Unggnu: are you using the daily build?
[09:29] <Unggnu> Someone the menu item is also missing in Firefox 3.6 in Gentoo
[09:29] <Unggnu> micahg, yes
[09:29] <micahg> ugh, another 64 bit issue
[09:29] <Unggnu> but it is definitely there in the tar-Archive from the MOzilla-HP
[09:29] <micahg> Unggnu: are you trying a 64 bit Mozilla build?
[09:29] <Unggnu> micahg, yes
[09:29] <micahg> Unggnu: and that has it?
[09:30] <Unggnu> the 64 Bit from the daily not, the 32 Bit from the HP-Archive has it
[09:30] <Unggnu> I couldn't use the 32 Bit because all my plugins are 64 Bit
[09:31] <micahg> Unggnu: yeah, I think it might be a 64 bit issue
[09:31] <Unggnu> probably
[09:32]  * micahg is checking for a Mozilla 64 bit build
[09:32] <Unggnu> They only have the 32 Bit one precompiled I guess
[09:35] <Unggnu> Thanks for testing. I have to go, ciao.
[12:36] <asac> fta: didnt we parse lsb-release at some point?
[12:36] <asac> in xulrunner build ?
[12:36] <asac> i want to add a CFLAGS just for lucid ;)
[12:40] <asac> fta: http://pastebin.com/f7f85bfc8
[12:40] <asac> that?
[12:54] <asac> dtchen: i have still no idea how to get any output from alsamixer
[12:54] <asac> it happens now again
[12:54] <asac> no input
[12:54] <asac> how can i hard reset everything?
[14:21] <fta> asac, i use lsb_release in chromium too, i needed to match the dev versions, lucid or sid, but without hardcoding those names
[14:21] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/327663/
[14:22] <asac> fta: what is the depends? just lsb-release?
[14:22] <asac> or also lsb-base?
[14:22] <armin76> asac: did you fix sparc, slacker?
[14:22] <fta> asac, just lsb-release
[14:23] <asac> http://pastebin.com/f1bcfe2c1
[14:23] <asac> fta: ^^
[14:23] <asac> sounds sound?
[14:23] <asac> oh ... also need to match for armel ;)
[14:24]  * armin76 feels ignored by asac 
[14:24] <asac> and a typo
[14:24] <asac> ;)
[14:24] <asac> armin76: you gave me a patch to integrate ;)?
[14:25] <armin76> asac: there's no patch, its a hack you need to do at buildtime
[14:25] <asac> fta: http://pastebin.com/f1e6d9da1 that one
[14:25] <asac> armin76: what kind?
[14:25] <armin76> asac: i explained it on the bug! :(
[14:25] <armin76> now he'll say: what bug?
[14:26] <fta> asac, better, the 1st one should have targetted armel or arm, or armv7 or whatever the arch name is
[14:26] <armin76> armel
[14:26] <asac> armel
[14:26] <armin76> slow
[14:27] <asac> ok committed
[15:01] <pace_t_zulu_> is it known that chromium doesn't install on lucid?
[15:01] <asac> not to me :/
[15:01] <pace_t_zulu_> or perhaps i'm experiencing this issue on my system alone
[15:01] <asac> fta: ^^
[15:01] <asac> doesnt instlal? maybe ppas dont have lucid yet?
[15:01] <pace_t_zulu_> i can pastebin what i see
[15:01]  * asac no clue about lucid atm
[15:01] <pace_t_zulu_> they do
[15:01] <pace_t_zulu_> it's the ffmpeg
[15:02] <asac> ah
[15:02] <asac> wait for fta ... i would think he is already on lucid this time
[15:03] <pace_t_zulu_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/327705
[15:03] <pace_t_zulu_> that's what happens at the console
[15:04] <pace_t_zulu_> ok... i'll check in for fta today
[15:10] <asac> hmm most likely the -ffmpeg wasnt copied to lucid repo
[15:10] <asac> pace_t_zulu: check if adding karmic repo helps
[15:11] <pace_t_zulu> will do
[15:11] <fta> just copied the karmic debs to lucid
[15:13] <pace_t_zulu> enabling the karmic repo solves it
[15:13] <pace_t_zulu> thanks asac
[15:15] <asac> np
[15:16] <asac> pace_t_zulu: remember to disable them again. fta now copied the ffmpeg stuff to lucid too ... so all should be fine for the future
[15:17] <pace_t_zulu> asac: ya ... glad it's worked out
[15:17] <pace_t_zulu> now someone installing alpha 1 won't have this problem ;)
[15:19] <pace_t_zulu> so it did just crash when i navigated to launchpad.net
[15:19] <pace_t_zulu> it being chromium
[15:20] <asac> right. thats ok i guess ;)
[15:20] <asac> hehe
[15:21] <pace_t_zulu> not reproducible... :?
[15:21] <pace_t_zulu> :/
[15:21] <pace_t_zulu> ok... so it's good to go
[15:25] <pace_t_zulu> thanks guys
[15:30] <asac> ok lets hope this sound mess is fixed on .32-rc8
[15:30]  * asac goes for it
[15:30] <asac> vanilla
[15:30] <asac> damn .. .all the US is lagging ;)
[15:30] <asac> everyone on holiday
[15:30] <asac> sigh
[15:54] <cyphermox> on hilday?
[15:54] <cyphermox> *holiday
[16:17] <asac> cyphermox: thanks giving preperations i guess ;)
[16:21] <cyphermox> asac, it's thanksgiving soon?
[16:21]  * cyphermox is clueless, partly because of being French Canadian, partly because of a bad cold :)
[16:32] <asac> i think its tomorrow and friday
[16:32] <asac> or something
[16:51] <kenvandine> fta, thx for adding me to the bot mail :)
[16:51] <kenvandine> asac, tomorrow is thanksgiving, but in the US most people get friday as a holiday too
[16:51] <kenvandine> technically not a holiday for us though, but most of us will be taking it off i am sure
[16:53] <asac> kk thx for demystifying ;)
[16:54] <kenvandine> kids don't have school today either, and my wife invited a bunch of neighbor kids over to occupy our's... i am happy to lock my office door and crank up the music :)
[16:54] <asac> kenvandine: enjoy ;)
[16:55] <asac> kenvandine: if you know how to debug alsa capture devices going through pulse plugin, i am here ;)
[16:56] <asac> (jus because of music ;))
[16:56] <kenvandine> haha... nope, i avoid pulse/alsa stuff :)
[16:58] <fta> kenvandine, np, i just noticed i need to merge the branches since i moved back to trunk
[16:59] <fta> done. let's see if that's enough
[17:01] <fta> asac, FIREFOX_3_6b4_RELEASE
[17:04] <asac> linphone-warning : Could not attach mixer to card: Invalid argument
[17:04] <asac> that doesnt sound good
[17:04] <asac> what does that mean ;)?
[17:04] <asac> is the mixer important :)
[17:04] <asac> ?
[17:07] <kenvandine> sounds like it is bypassing pulse completely and going for alsa
[17:08] <fta> asac, i was thinking.. your -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb should probably be in configure
[17:10] <asac> fta: it will get added to toolchain ... but we want something before doko comes back ;)
[17:11] <asac> from vac
[17:11] <asac> so this is the quick and dirty way ;)
[17:20] <fta> gasp, i broke it
[17:25] <fta> grrr, wtf
[17:30] <fta> bzr crash
[17:47] <asac> fta: do you know what dtchen meant by saying he wants output of amixer?
[17:47] <asac> for me that opens a curses app ;)
[17:49] <fta> for me, it spits text
[17:50] <fta> alsa-utils: /usr/bin/amixer
[17:50] <fta> asac, ^^
[17:54] <asac> fta: spits text?
[17:54] <asac> hmm
[17:54] <asac> oh
[17:54] <asac> ok
[18:08] <debfx> could the firefox and abrowser branding packages provide a symlink with the same name that points to their application icons?
[18:09] <debfx> the firefox kde integration helper app needs a constant name for the icon
[18:12] <asac> maybe
[18:12] <asac> not sure
[18:13] <asac> i thought that the installer is supposed to be removed if the browser package got installed
[18:13] <asac> at least thats what came out of UDS discussion ;)
[18:21] <debfx> i'm not talking about the installer
[18:21] <debfx> http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse/firefox-kde-opensuse/trees/master/kmozillahelper
[18:22] <debfx> that's the helper app nedded for the kde integration from opensuse
[18:24] <debfx> it needs a static icon name for the download finished popups
[19:53] <fta> asac, something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/327941/
[21:01] <dtchen> asac: weekday USA east coast business hours are *really* bad for debugging on IRC; I pretty much have to use LP bug mail for ping-pong due to work restrictions
[21:02] <dtchen> asac: that said, I noticed the playback controls for 'Capture' on your usb headset is muted
[21:49] <BUGabundo> ola
[22:24] <BUGabundo> is it just me or is gwibber fonts *very* small on lucid?
[22:28] <fta> lol
[22:28] <fta> kenvandine, ^^
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I don't think you get what I'm saying
[22:29] <BUGabundo> its *really really* small
[22:29] <BUGabundo> like size 8
[22:29] <BUGabundo> and on a 13.3" laptop I can barelly read it :(
[22:29] <fta> it's the fix for http://jordanhall.co.uk/ubuntu-linux/gwibber-large-fonts-in-ubuntu-9.10-karmic-koala-issue/
[22:30] <BUGabundo> what fix? its worse
[22:30] <fta> it was too big before
[22:30] <BUGabundo> and now there isn't even an option to change it on gwibber
[22:30] <BUGabundo> not for me
[22:30] <BUGabundo> it was great
[22:30] <fta> let me upgrade
[22:30] <BUGabundo> now I can read it
[22:30] <BUGabundo> it has been like this for a week or so
[22:31] <BUGabundo> no.. 3 days
[22:31] <fta> Nov 23 21:49:09 <kenvandine>      fta, i want to see why ryan was doing the +2 thing
[22:31] <fta> Nov 23 21:57:30 <kenvandine>      ok... it was to compensate for a bug in an older webkit version
[22:32] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: why was the local preference to change size removed ??
[22:32] <fta> Nov 23 21:47:27 <kenvandine>      i have a fix for that
[22:32] <fta> Nov 23 21:47:35 <kenvandine>      including the preferences ui that lies
[22:32] <BUGabundo> not having one is worse...
[22:32] <BUGabundo> darn upgrades...
[22:32] <fta> Nov 23 21:49:34 <kenvandine>      but aside from that, the preferences UI says you can over-ride fonts
[22:32] <fta> Nov 23 21:49:36 <kenvandine>      but you can't
[22:33] <BUGabundo> I could
[22:33] <BUGabundo> I used too
[22:33] <BUGabundo> at least on older (karmic <alpha3)
[22:33] <fta> reorder that chronologically
[22:34] <fta> asac, SUNBIRD_1_0b1_RELEASE
[22:47] <micahg> asac: what do yostoneu think of setting up milestones for firefox so that I can mark upstream fix released on the proper mile