[00:07] <Pici> feel free to remove -r when niko or another staffer says its okay, otherwise we're going to get flooded with exploit msgs
[00:07] <niko> yes
[00:24] <Pici> KB1JWQ: would you like me to flag you so the bots will 'test' you?
[00:24] <KB1JWQ> Pici: Ah, is that the trick?
[00:25] <Pici> yes, they don't do it unless it detects that the person lost connection during an attack, or if we tell it otherweise.
[00:48] <ryaxnbuntu> hi
[00:48] <ryaxnbuntu> topyli, when is the ban on ljl going to be lifted, is it a 24-hour ban?
[00:49] <topyli> ryaxnbuntu, i don't know. i will discuss this with him
[00:49] <tsimpson> ryanakca: we don't discuss individuals bans with others
[00:49] <tsimpson> ryaxnbuntu
[00:49] <ryaxnbuntu> ryanakca, is in this channel too
[00:49] <tsimpson> damn nick completion
[00:49] <ryaxnbuntu> he follows me everywhere ;)
[00:49] <ryaxnbuntu> see ya
[00:51] <topyli> for the record, ljl and i had a pm about other things like operator stuff in general. not relevant here. he asked me to ban him on -ot and i refused. he threatened to make me. i then did
[00:51] <tonyyarusso> err, wut?
[00:53] <tsimpson> I have the distinct impression this this whole thing could and should have been handled better
[00:53] <Pici> yes.
[00:53] <Pricey> What's happenned?
[00:53] <Pricey> Why couldn't he simply /part?
[01:00] <niko> perhaps you can try to remove +r, bot seems to be less agressive
[01:56] <Flannel> breunig's still banned in #u right?
[01:56] <Flannel> s/eu/ue/
[01:57] <bazhang> yep
[02:00] <Flannel> Maybe that's a wiser choice?
[02:04] <MenZa> mhm.
[02:07] <Pricey> Anyone able to enlighten me (in PM?) about LjL?
[02:24] <Flannel> Howdy davidboy, how can we help you?
[02:26] <davidboy> There's somebody in #ubuntu that keep sending me files.  I haven't opened any of them.
[02:26] <Flannel> davidboy: Yeah, we unfortunately can't deal with them until they do it.  You can safely ignore those requests though.
[02:27] <Flannel> I... believe there's a command you can do to have your client ignore them completely.  I'm not sure what it is though.
[02:27] <Pricey> davidboy: It is a bit annoying, check out http://blog.freenode.net/2009/11/dcc-spam-and-how-to-handle-it/
[02:28] <davidboy> Thanks
[02:30] <bazhang> what is the array (etc etc) and why does it cause an insta-kline
[02:37] <tsimpson> bazhang: the nicks sending the array stuff are also the ones sending the exploit
[02:38] <tsimpson> it's probably a bug :p
[02:38] <bazhang> tsimpson, ah thanks, got those blocked so no idea they were being sent
[02:40] <ircNuser> test me
[02:40] <tsimpson> ircNuser: you have already been tested
[02:40] <tsimpson> you can join #ubuntu
[02:40] <ircNuser> thanks
[02:41] <ircNuser> I'll try now that I changed freenode to 8001
[02:43] <tsimpson> ooh, actually they can't with the +r
[02:49] <Flannel> ubottu: tell KiLaHuRtZ about nickspam
[02:54] <bazhang> cybercafe's let you reboot their computers? Not over here they don't
[02:57] <bazhang> ah she is from Taiwan. No way is that right.
[03:19] <jpds> Fun.
[03:20] <Pricey> THe bots are very noisy.
[03:20] <jpds> Can we set +r and /remove them?
[03:21] <jpds> I mean, seriously, this could go on for a while.
[03:22] <Pricey> i think they've learnt their lesson now
[03:28] <jpds> ubottu: tell IdleOne about scope
[04:02] <MenZa> Flannel: oh lawd.
[04:03] <Flannel> MenZa: my trigger finger's getting awfully itchy
[04:03] <MenZa> Flannel: I had an /ar prepped for Phrea in case he'd continued.
[04:03] <MenZa> I've had bad experiences with Phrea in the channel so many times now
[04:03] <Flannel> Mhmm
[04:03] <MenZa> chowder is, as far as I can tell, new to the game, but his persistence (and baiting) is annoying me.
[04:05] <MenZa> and that crossed my boundary.
[04:06] <Flannel> I'm not even sure what word fits with those asterisks, but seriously?
[04:07] <MenZa> agreed
[04:07] <MenZa> sometimes I consider introducing martial law in that channel
[04:13] <Flannel> MenZa: as enjoyable as a fantasy that may be, no :)
[04:16] <MenZa> heheh
[04:16] <MenZa> I kid, I kid.
[04:20] <tsimpson> you think it's save to -r now?
[04:20] <tsimpson> *safe
[04:20] <Pricey> I wouldn't.
[04:22] <chowder> so I got kicked from the offtopic channel for having an opinion
[04:22] <chowder> its quite obvious that the op that kicked me was biased
[04:22] <Flannel> chowder: You got kicked after you continued the discussion after being asked to stop.
[04:22] <Flannel> chowder: There is no "let me get the last word in" provision
[04:22] <chowder> I was asked to stop talking about drugs
[04:22] <chowder> and I did
[04:22] <chowder> the rest was me merely pointing out the fascist attitude in the channel
[04:23] <Flannel> chowder: I also mentioned that this channel was the place you should go if you take issue to the policies of the ubuntu channels.  #ubuntu-offtopic is not the proper venue for that sort of discussion.
[04:23] <chowder> so "in a nutshell" I was kicked for having an opinion
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> Claiming "fascism" would be sufficient on its own.
[04:24] <chowder> tonyyarusso: well what else do you call the suppression of free expression with right-wing overtones?
[04:24] <Flannel> chowder: We have guidelines for the channel, if you don't like following them, that's fine, you're free to disregard them in other channels.  Not in ubuntu channels.
[04:24] <tonyyarusso> chowder: The suppression of free expression part is known as "moderation in keeping with community guidelines".
[04:25] <chowder> someone got scolded for even mentioning drugs
[04:25] <chowder> and he was talking about prescription meds!
[04:25] <tonyyarusso> When IRC ops come to your house and kill your family, *then* you can claim fascism, but anything before that belittles the tragedy of people who have sufferred such things.
[04:25] <chowder> don't you think that's a bit extreme?
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> Fascism is extreme - that's the point.
[04:26] <chowder> tonyyarusso: don't talk to me about opression my family fled a country ruled by a totalitarian dictator. You know nothing.
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> Well then you can go complain about fascism wrt to your home country, but not IRC channels.  The latter is ridiculous.
[04:27] <tsimpson> here's the deal, there are rules in #ubuntu-offtopic. if you wish to use the channel we require you to abide by those rules, if you don't then you'll be removed from the channel
[04:27] <chowder> I'm in the US
[04:27] <tsimpson> call it whatever you want, it's how it is
[04:27] <chowder> tsimpson: where in the rules does it state that I can be kicked for having differing political views than the ops do?
[04:28] <chowder> because that's the gist of what happened
[04:28] <tsimpson> discussion about drugs is against the rules
[04:28] <chowder> like I said, I stopped talking about drugs
[04:28] <tsimpson> continuing on the same vein is still discussing it
[04:28] <chowder> the last bit that was merely satirizing "the rules" themselves
[04:28] <tsimpson> even if you think you can "technically" get away with it
[04:29] <chowder> here's what I wrote: brb, I'll clog my arteries with fattening foods and destroy my liver with alcohol because its socially acceptable and I have no mind of my own
[04:29] <tsimpson> the intent was clear
[04:29] <chowder> I never mentioned drugs
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> That's just mocking the concept of having rules, which indicates you have no intent on following them and don't belong in the channel in the first place.
[04:30] <chowder> tonyyarusso: no, I was mocking the attitude of the channel
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> also, you may want to think twice about what you think other people's political views are - you clearly have no idea.
[04:31] <chowder> or maybe you should learn not to feed trolls
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> Did he just call himself a troll?
[04:32] <Dominian> yeah.. he did..
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> fun.
[04:33] <Dominian> and j ust skimmin gback through backlog...
[04:33] <Dominian> He's got some issues
[04:35] <tsimpson> -unregged is a testament to how few people actually read the topic
[04:40] <Flannel> @mark #ubuntu-ops chowder Trolling
[04:49] <MenZa> after a bit of friendly clarification, Flannel/Dominian/tonyyarusso, I can inform you that he sees trolling as a 'social experiment' :P
[04:50] <MenZa> (I spoke to him in a query)
[04:50] <Flannel> MenZa: Social experiment or not, it's still trolling.
[04:50] <MenZa> Yes, yes
[04:51] <MenZa> I also told him that that was never acceptable, but if he refrained, he would always be welcomed back.
[04:51] <Dominian> yeah he has to watch it.. violating network policy is never a good thing.. let a lone the chanenl policy
[04:51] <MenZa> indeed
[04:52] <MenZa> it's worth pointing out that he took some criticism to ##unmentionable-channel-here, which sparked me querying him to clarify the reason (and the points made in here).
[04:52] <Dominian> yah
[04:53] <MenZa> doesn't bother me at all, but I still felt it was worth a bit of my time
[04:55] <MenZa> after all, what are you doing being an op if you can't take criticism?
[05:03] <bazhang> insane?
[05:03] <bazhang> or was that rhetorical
[05:20] <KindOne> Alright.... i have been blocked from #ubuntu, being sent to #ubuntu-read-topic   Is there a way i can fix this. I have been in the #ubuntu channel multiple times before and now i am being block....
[05:21] <tsimpson> KindOne: read the topic in there and follow the instructions
[05:22] <KindOne> Tried the port 8001, did not work... and i have read the topic and been to the site
[05:23] <tsimpson> if you are on port 8001, then type "test me" in #ubuntu-read-topic
[05:28] <bazhang> http://paste.ubuntu.com/327363/ jussi01 this is to May16 2009
[05:28] <tsimpson> all those set on my birthday
[05:30] <tsimpson> bazhang: do you want to preform a manual dcc test on KindOne? the bots won't do it while in emergency mode
[05:30] <tsimpson> because of the continuing netsplit
[05:31] <bazhang> tsimpson, send him a dcc in that channel ?
[05:31] <tsimpson> just in /msg
[05:31] <KindOne> test me
[05:32] <bazhang> just offered him something via dcc
[05:33] <KindOne> its at 0%
[05:33] <tsimpson> bazhang: you need to make sure it's IP and port 0
[05:33] <tsimpson> *both 0
[05:34] <KindOne> alright... it failed....
[05:35] <bazhang> tsimpson, they were all on 0
[05:35] <tsimpson> KindOne: you seem to have passed
[05:36] <tsimpson> bazhang: can you remove the forward then please?
[05:37] <bazhang> KindOne, you are in
[05:37] <KindOne> alright, thanks, im in the #ubuntu channel now
[05:39] <KindOne> will this issue happen again though ?
[05:39] <bazhang> are you on port 8001 ?
[05:40] <KindOne>  yes
[05:41] <tsimpson> then it won't happen again
[05:41] <tsimpson> just stick to port 8001
[05:41] <KindOne> alright thanks
[06:35] <Pricey> Sorry tonyyarusso, we're definitely aware of it though.
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> Pricey: good to know, but I was pretty sure you must be by now :P
[07:55] <Flannel> Anyone know what's up with WilliamBuell and Hekos?
[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <Tm_T> Flannel: what you mean?
[08:19] <Flannel> They were having a little spat, and I was asking for a cliffnotes version of the backlog, but I skimmed it.
[08:20] <Tm_T> ok
[08:20] <Tm_T> Flannel: what I know is williambuell is bit new in irc and linux, and has/had broken system so might be bit edgy
[08:20] <Flannel> Yeah, Hekos was being rude and standoffish
[08:21] <Tm_T> oh that's not nice
[08:21] <Flannel> No, and I regret not checking in on the channel for so long, as something ought to have been done about ten minutes before I saw anything.
[08:44]  * MenZa hugs Flannel 
[08:45] <Tm_T> Flannel: which channel this was?
[08:45] <Flannel> Tm_T: -ot
[08:46] <Tm_T> u-ot ok
[10:02] <MenZa> oh dear lord
[10:02] <MenZa> what on earth...
[10:02] <Flannel> What?
[10:03] <MenZa> Flannel: -ot
[10:14]  * Flannel grumbles at Hekos.
[10:28] <MenZa> Bacta: How can we help you?
[10:28] <Bacta> Any news on my bans?
[10:30] <MenZa> Hm, I can't find your bans
[10:30] <bazhang> Bacta, they are still in place.
[10:36] <bazhang> Bacta, its less than a day since you last checked, nothing has changed.
[10:36] <Bacta> I guess I'll have to stick to #ubuntu-vn then
[10:36] <Bacta> And get technical help for all my problems in broken Vietnamese
[10:40] <ikonia> Bacta: hello
[10:40] <ikonia> Bacta: is there not a NewZeland Loco ?
[10:40] <Bacta> Hello ikonia
[10:40] <Bacta> Did you just come here?
[10:40] <ikonia> just woke up yes
[10:40] <Bacta> holy hell there is
[10:40] <Bacta> i never noticed
[10:40] <ikonia> (I mean woke up on IRC, not woke up)
[10:41] <Bacta> It sucks having to wake up twice in one day doesn't it
[10:41] <ikonia> Bacta: as I said yesterday in pm to you, we are discussing ways to move your ban's forward
[10:41] <bazhang> #ubuntu-nz
[10:41] <Bacta> Yep, am in there now
[10:42] <ikonia> Bacta: as I said, you've not been forgot about we are trying to resolve this with you
[10:47] <ikonia> Bacta: we'll get back to you as soon as a way forward has been found, but feel please feel free to ask for an update
[10:47] <Bacta> Sure
[10:47] <Bacta> thank you
[10:47] <ikonia> ok
[11:33] <bazhang> #ubuntu-advanced  is being claimed by roronoa and dijmen as being a support channel.
[11:34] <Tm_T> never heard of such channel
[11:37] <bazhang> friendishan aka roronoa and dijmen just made it up on a lark, less than five minutes ago
[11:38] <Tm_T> hmmm, I don't like this
[11:38] <tsimpson> it was registered by someone, but it's not official
[11:38] <tsimpson> it's not a channel we use or plan to use anyway
[11:39] <bazhang> I'm in their trying to explain, but they won't listen. Am going to depart now.
[11:39] <bazhang> err there
[11:40] <tsimpson> jussi01: ^
 bazhang: exactly. so it will become official soon.
[11:41] <Tm_T> official by who?
[11:41] <jussi01> check out: /msg chanserv info #ubuntu-advanced
[11:41] <tsimpson> he thinks because it's already registered we plan to use it
[11:41] <jussi01> ;)
[11:41] <bazhang> heh
[11:42] <tsimpson> can't you set mlock +m ;)
[11:42] <bazhang> haha
[11:42] <tsimpson> and +if #ubuntu while you're at it
[11:42] <bazhang> or ##unavailable
[11:49] <dijmen> let's create and promote #ubuntu-advanced
[11:49] <Tm_T> for what?
[11:50] <dijmen> for advanced support because there are too many users with too many easy questions that flood #ubuntu
[11:50] <Tm_T> dijmen: this splitting of #ubuntu has been discussed many times
[11:51] <dijmen> and what are some of the main conclusions?
[11:51] <bazhang> not to do it.
[11:51] <Tm_T> it's splitting community, time and resources, not worth it
[11:52] <Tm_T> one more channel people should know and use and... there's channels more than enough already
[11:52] <dijmen> bazhang: oh, you're here too. I didn't see you. I hope you're not talking this like I'm trying to push it without your agreement.
[11:52] <Tm_T> dijmen: heh, you can't push this (:
[11:52] <bazhang> dijmen, not my decision. Just informing you.
[11:53] <dijmen> I can "try to push", as I said :)
[11:53] <dijmen> bazhang: I see
[11:53] <bazhang> no.
[11:53] <jussi01> dijmen: see also bug #392799
[11:53] <bazhang> dijmen, as I said in that channel, don't advertise other channels in #ubuntu
[11:54] <dijmen> bazhang: I got that. I meant "try to push" *here* (#ubuntu-ops) this time.
[11:55] <dijmen> this bug reflects my report very well
[11:55] <Tm_T> dijmen: you can't push this, it's not gonna happen, atleast not this time until there's really big reasons
[11:55] <dijmen> Tm_T: there's even a german version of #ubuntu, so I thought my proposal would be very acceptable
[11:57] <jussi01> dijmen: the are many different local channels
[11:58] <jussi01> dijmen: However an advanced/basic segmentation is very hard to implement, and we have decided not to do so at this time.
[11:58] <dijmen> jussi01: yes, this is my point, and no #ubuntu-advanced, which would be useful
[11:58] <dijmen> jussi01: why is it hard? (just asking)
[11:59] <jussi01> dijmen: it is much beeter for advanced issues to be dealt with either in #ubuntu or in the channel for the actual app in question.
[11:59] <jussi01> dijmen: well lets start at the basics: how do you define advanced?
[12:00] <jussi01> (theres a lot more to it than that, but lets start there)
[12:01] <dijmen> jussi01: your question is not a good approach, so I can understand why it's hard to implement. advanced can be defined subjectively, which will create some polarization between the two channels. in addition, I guess it's very easy to say "try #ubuntu".
[12:01] <jussi01> dijmen: also, if you really want to talk to us about this issue, please go and read that bug. After you have done that, then we can continue a discussion.
[12:01] <dijmen> and "try #ubuntu-advanced"
[12:01] <Tm_T> dijmen: easy to helper, or easy for the person who is looking for help? and is not familiar with IRC ?
[12:02] <dijmen> at least it's much easier than forcing a newbie-izing interpretation on most of my questions
[12:02] <dijmen> Tm_T: people not familiar with IRC will never know about the existence of this channel
[12:03] <Tm_T> dijmen: and they don't have advanced questions then?
[12:03] <dijmen> jussi01: OK, I'm reading it
[12:03] <bazhang> "all my questions are advanced"  :)
[12:04] <dijmen> Tm_T: lol, how can a newbie have advanced questions?
[12:04] <dijmen> Tm_T: it's not the question that decides what's advanced and what's not!
[12:04] <dijmen> Tm_T: this is chat, not specifications database
[12:05] <dijmen> definitions are user-centric, not data-centered
[12:05] <jussi01> dijmen: please go and read the bug and the comments therein, after you have done so, we can entertain a discussion with you.
[12:05] <dijmen> Tm_T: plus, as bazhang says!
[12:07] <Amaranth> So what you're saying is you want a channel for all the smarter folks to hang out and help enough other so they don't have to deal with #ubuntu anymore
[12:07] <Amaranth> s/enough other/each other/
[12:07]  * Amaranth just woke up
[12:07] <topyli> whenever there is an "advanced" button or tab in an user interface, every user instantly becomes "advanced"
[12:07] <bazhang> I was kidding btw.
[12:07] <jussi01> Amaranth: give him a chance to read the bug please
[12:08] <jussi01> and lets not all jump in and overwhelm him ;)
[12:08] <dijmen> jussi01: you should have visited my channel when we were still two members. like this you got the wrong first impression.
[12:08] <dijmen> topyli: I didn't know about this tendency
[12:09] <topyli> i would call it "topyli's law" but there already is a topyli's law about something else :)
[12:09] <bazhang> hehe
[12:09] <Tm_T> topyli: law #2 then
[12:10] <topyli> dijmen, it's only half-serious really
[12:10] <Tm_T> or was it #543
[12:10] <bazhang> 'try a different app' is #1
[12:10] <topyli> yeah
[12:10] <topyli> "when a user asks for help with $app on an irc channel, another user will immediately suggest switching to $another_app"
[12:11] <dijmen> Amaranth: it's not about being smart, it's about having different methods. just like some germans prefer to use a german language channel.
[12:12] <dijmen> topyli: that's only in ubuntu and other open source distributions. in windows it's "reinstall windows".
[12:12] <jussi01> dijmen: As you can see, we have put a great deal of thought into this, and we'd appreciate you read those thoughts and then come back to us - or even better, record your ideas on the bug. I get notified everytime someoneadds to it, and I read every comment.
[12:13] <dijmen> jussi01: thank you
[12:13] <Amaranth> dijmen: But the only people I can ever imagine being in #ubuntu-advanced are the exact people we would want helping in #ubuntu
[12:13] <Amaranth> Which is mentioned somewhere in that bug report, iirc
[12:13] <dijmen> Amaranth: well, that's a good point
[12:13] <dijmen> Amaranth: so there are practical reasons
[12:14] <dijmen> I can understand that
[12:14] <Amaranth> I, at least, never worry about splitting the community but rather splitting the available helpers
[12:14] <Amaranth> If I'm in #ubuntu and you're in #ubuntu-overflow1 I'm not going to see you asking for help with compiz
[12:15] <Amaranth> So you'll eventually end up with people channel hopping through all the support channels asking for help just like they hop through all the non-support channels doing it now
[12:16] <dijmen> Amaranth: makes sense to me. however, I'd still give it a three months' try
[12:16] <Amaranth> #python did (mentioned in that bug as a success story for some reason) but they changed back to a single channel due to these problems
[12:17] <dijmen> sometimes testing surprises us. especially as "-advanced" is not just "yet another ubuntu channel".
[12:17] <Amaranth> The real problem is IRC doesn't scale but people are too impatient to use the forums
[12:18] <dijmen> I wonder why it doesn't scale
[12:18] <dijmen> you python example is quite convincing
[12:19] <dijmen> (I'm still not sure it works for 1000+ member channels. too large channels are meant to be split.)
[12:20] <Amaranth> Well there is some risk that we'll destroy #ubuntu
[12:20] <dijmen> of 800 remaining newbies and quasi-newbies, they will always know the answer to each other's questions :)
[12:20] <Amaranth> and it's actually usually not much busier then it was back when we had 500 people
[12:20] <dijmen> Amaranth: I agree. I feel proud too that it's so big :)
[12:21] <Amaranth> It's just that everyone idles there and the people active tend to come and go in shifts
[12:21] <dijmen> I didn't notice that
[12:22] <jussi01> IMHO we need to be funneling people to loco (support) channels for support, not "advanced" or "newbie" etc.
[12:22] <Amaranth> Perhaps
[12:22] <dijmen> jussi01: why loco?
[12:22] <Tm_T> jussi01: indeed, many times people need help with their native language as they struggle with english
[12:22] <Amaranth> Although most of the loco channels seem to be like specialized versions of this channel plus offtopic, rather than a place for support
[12:22] <bazhang> disagree
[12:23] <dijmen> bazhang: to what?
[12:23] <Amaranth> And just because I'm in the US doesn't mean someone in France can't help me or get help from me :)
[12:23] <bazhang> #ubuntu-tw / #ubuntu-cn are terrible support channels
[12:23] <Tm_T> bazhang: hmmm, that doesn't mean others are
[12:24] <Tm_T> bazhang: and how they're bad?
[12:24] <bazhang> Tm_T, true
[12:24] <Tm_T> Amaranth: sure, but using the language you're familiar with does help (:
[12:24] <bazhang> Tm_T, more like botwar channels
[12:25] <Tm_T> bazhang: that has to be dealt with then somehow
[12:26] <bazhang> next time I agree to take ops in a loco , I will ask for concessions
[12:27] <Tm_T> for example finnish channels are reasonably good for support
[12:27] <bazhang> well, as 80% of core ops are Finnish, no surprise :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> bazhang: yeah, #ubuntu is lovely finnish loco channel (;)
[12:28] <bazhang> hehe
[12:28] <dijmen> this is because torvalds (the creator of the linux kernel, and implicitly of ubuntu) is finnish
[12:28] <Tm_T> dijmen: no, not really
[12:29] <Tm_T> dijmen: there's plenty of other linux channels that are not friendly at all, or helpful
[12:29] <Tm_T> it's more of Ubuntu community and CoC
[12:29] <Tm_T> and few active ones pushing it
[12:43] <topyli> dijmen, when you ssh to irssi on your linux server and chat, it's the ultimate finnish experience .)
[12:44] <Tm_T> topyli: using gsm-network?
[12:45] <topyli> yeah, through your nokia phone
[12:51] <jussi01> Amaranth: just got back. My vision is that the locos take an active role in doing support and helping users on IRC, as they do IRL. This doesnt mean #ubuntu would disappear, but would be like a melting pot of all of them.
[13:09] <jussi01> brb
[13:56] <niko> bots attack again
[13:57] <Pici> yes
[14:14] <ikonia> again ????
[14:19] <niko> yes, perhaps time for a +r ...
[14:31] <ikonia> seems to have stopped now
[14:53] <niko> a little yes
[14:53] <Pici> shhh
[14:58]  * genii makes another pot of coffee
[15:06]  * ikonia has just been promoted to DNS god after implimenting the most over complex DNS system on the planet
[15:10]  * genii makes a golden statue of ikonia and sacrifices old Blade servers to it
[15:13] <ikonia> warrented
[15:48] <Tm_T> genii: what a waste of good iron
[15:49] <mneptok> MS-Maco. The new product from Microsoft.
[15:50] <Pici> ooo
[15:50] <MsMaco> oh shush you
[15:50] <MsMaco> X broke
[15:51] <ikonia> ughhh another attack
[15:51] <ikonia> ahhh gentoo, not us
[15:52] <mneptok> Pici: never said "thanks" for the heavy lifting you did during UDS IRC discussions. so ... "thanks!"
[15:55] <ikonia> check out the muscle man !
[15:56] <Tm_T> what lifting?
[15:56] <ikonia> his brain
[15:56] <Pici> mneptok: :)
[15:56] <Tm_T> lifting brains...
[15:57] <ikonia> he's got a big brain to lift you know
[15:57] <ikonia> check out his python skills
[15:57] <Pici> Fetch me a brain igor!
[15:57] <ikonia> yes master..............
[15:57] <gord> hehe, i just realised that i read igor as eye gor now
[16:00] <gord> ... its from young Frankenstein :(
[16:30] <maco> ok X didnt break. kdm broke.
[16:30] <maco> (its my fault, of course)
[16:30] <maco> (copying /etc from an amd64 system to an i386 system is apparently a bad idea)
[16:31] <genii> maco: I broke kdm a couple weeks ago trying to get it to do fingerprint auth, locked myself out pretty badly
[16:40] <Tm_T> aww
[16:49] <maco> genii: ive stumped Riddell
[16:49] <maco> i guess that counts for something
[16:55] <jpds> And so it begins again.
[17:01] <Tm_T> looks like trudell is banevading
[17:01] <Pici> again?
[17:01] <Tm_T> as trudeII
[17:01] <maco> yes
[17:01] <Tm_T> I assume it's him
[17:02] <tsimpson> he always connects from 187.*
[17:02] <tsimpson> I wonder how much we'd block if we just banned that
[17:02]  * tsimpson starts having evil thoughts
[17:02] <maco> trude*!*@187.*  ??
[17:03] <Tm_T> nope, different nick now
[17:03] <tsimpson> trudell!*@187.* already is banned
[17:03] <maco> tsimpson: no see trude*
[17:03] <tsimpson> ah
[17:03] <maco> so trudeII would be caught too
[17:03] <trudeII> Microsoft bribes Ubuntu development team to make bullshit kernel to not run 3d cards or commercial games on Linux.
[17:03] <Pici> clearly.
[17:04] <tsimpson> he's also evading a k-line
[17:04] <tsimpson> if that's still in place
[17:10]  * genii sips his coffee and thinks about angry conspiracy theorists
[17:12] <maco> argh
[17:12] <maco> in #ubuntu a few people were saying RTFM, and i told them off with the !rtfm factoid and theyre arguing its stupid and people should be RTFMing and blah blah
[17:13] <Tm_T> if they argue against it hard enough, banforward here perhaps?
[17:13] <maco> i have no ops in that channel
[17:13] <maco> im a #kubuntu op
[17:14] <jpds> maco: Which people?
[17:14] <maco> SpaceGhostC2C and uberspaced
[17:15] <maco> they and llutz were arguing with a user who has trouble making sense of manpages that all the person needed to do was RTFM and the user's trying to tell them "i tried, but it doesnt make sense" and theyre all just like "its all in there, just read the manpage!"
[17:24] <maco> jpds: http://paste.ubuntu.com/327824/ (with all the other conversations removed from in between)
[17:27] <maco> it just seemed to me like "gang up on the new person and make them feel bad for having trouble" :-/
[17:28] <jpds> maco: Next time hit ops.
[17:29] <maco> in not-clearly-trolling cases im never sure if i should
[17:29] <maco> besides that !ops is visible to the people i'm tattling on :)
[17:29] <Pici> maco: many of us have '! o p s' itself on hilight... so.. best not to use it unless its needed.
[17:31] <maco> whoops
[18:18] <tonyyarusso> I don't know if Zosimos is inebriated or just odd, but keep an eye on -ot when I leave for class in ten minutes :)
[18:19] <topyli> looking
[18:19] <topyli> well, going for a smoke actually, but brb in a minute :)
[19:40] <Flannel> marshall... I know that
[19:41] <Flannel> Ah yes.
[20:11]  * genii sips