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[08:04] <kartook> any onme
[08:04] <kartook> hello
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[08:49] <kwwii> mac_v: just answered your email
[08:49] <mac_v_> kwwii: ah , thanks :)
[08:50] <kwwii> thanks for the good work ;)
[08:51] <kwwii> I've been really busy this week
[08:51] <mac_v_> kwwii: heh.. ;)  that will probably be the last update for Karmic , revs after that will be for Lucid
[08:52] <kwwii> sounds good
[08:52] <kwwii> I'll get in touch once I know when/what/where/why ;)
[08:53] <mac_v_> lol ;p
[09:04] <thorwil> damn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Wasp
[09:13] <thorwil> i despise having some stuff directly in Incoming. historical reasons be damned
[09:15] <thorwil> best of all, his LP user link is broken
[09:16]  * mac_v scratches head... cant find the said theme 
[09:16] <thorwil> there's an ongoing Rename just now
[09:17] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/Wasp
[09:17] <mac_v> thorwil: is Incoming just a preview location or  shouldnt the user include the theme?
[09:18] <mac_v> i was hoping to see what he had done to fix OOo ;)
[09:18] <thorwil> mac_v: Incoming should be just the parent for ..., Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid, ...
[09:19] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , i got that :)... i meant ...> why didnt the user upload the theme
[09:19] <thorwil> mac_v: but since we already had long-going theme efforts right in there, we now have the rul that those can stay there and new ones can be added
[09:19] <thorwil> mac_v: but no theme should start out directly in Incoming
[09:20] <mac_v> yup , agreed ;)
[09:22] <thorwil> just this morning i deleted 2 attachments to the backgrounds guidelines page
[09:22] <thorwil> people so blind to the structure, adding stuff where no one else does, irritate me to no end
[09:23] <mac_v> thorwil: i think we need to add a link to a how-to-use-wiki tutorial in the artwork page
[09:24] <thorwil> mac_v: feel invited to write it. the reading-impaired will kick you in the balls without knowing ;)
[09:25]  * thorwil looks at the code of conduct he signed and shakes head
[09:25] <mac_v> thorwil: lol , I didnt mean i would write it .... i meant a link to somewhere in the web ... there must be a link for that
[09:25]  * mac_v searches
[09:27] <mac_v> thorwil: something like this > http://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page
[09:28] <mac_v> sometimes users just didnt know how to add the content
[09:29] <mac_v> or simpler > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/How_to_edit_wiki_pages
[09:29] <thorwil> mac_v: sure. but it would have to be a prefect match to our wiki. and where the heck to put that, so every newcomer will see?
[09:30] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah... where to put it is the real question ;p   i dont know :(
[09:30] <almagest_divine> hey
[09:30] <mac_v> !hi | almagest_divine
[09:30] <ubottu> almagest_divine: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-artwork! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[09:30] <thorwil> mac_v: maybe bring it up on the list.
[09:31] <mac_v> we have crappy bot questions...
[09:31]  * mac_v goes to the -ops ;)
[09:31] <mac_v> bot responses*
[09:31] <almagest_divine> lol
[09:33] <almagest_divine> so? how are you?
[09:42] <mac_v> !hi is <reply> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-artwork! Channel for the community artwork team. Feel free to ask questions . Enjoy your stay!
[09:43] <mac_v> !contribute
[09:43] <ubottu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[09:44] <thorwil> mac_v: look at this attachment to our home page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=LINUX_155.jpg
[09:45] <mac_v> lol...
[09:45]  * thorwil wants notifications on adding and deleting attachments
[09:48] <mac_v> !contribute is <reply> For information on current team activity and on contributing to the Ubuntu Community artwork , Kindly read Wiki:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[09:49] <mac_v> !contribute is <reply> For information regarding current Artwork team activity and about contributing to the Ubuntu Community artwork , Kindly read Wiki:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[09:53] <thorwil> mac_v: you should have answered how you are to almagest_divine ;p
[09:54] <mac_v> thorwil: meh...  i like bots better ;p
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[10:16] <mac_v> !contribute
[10:16] <ubottu> For information regarding current Artwork team activity and about contributing to the Ubuntu Community artwork , Kindly read Wiki:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[10:20] <mac_v> !hi
[10:20] <ubottu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-artwork! Channel for the community artwork team. Feel free to ask questions . Enjoy your stay
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[13:23] <almagest_divine> hey
[13:25] <almagest_divine> what is the best ubuntu theme?
[13:27] <zniavre> this one for sure : http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/zni3?content=86285
[13:27] <zniavre> :o)
[13:29] <almagest_divine> any other theme? ;)
[13:30] <mac_v> !best
[13:30] <ubottu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
[13:31] <mac_v> almagest_divine: ^
[13:31] <mac_v>  ;)
[13:31] <almagest_divine> :)
[13:31] <almagest_divine> by best i meant a nice theme
[13:32] <zniavre> :o)
[13:33] <zniavre> it's ful of very nice theme on gnome-look.org
[13:33] <almagest_divine> yeah i was just viewing them
[13:33] <almagest_divine> thanks
[13:46] <almagest_divine> ok so i am done with #ubuntu-bots. they are really dumb.
[13:47] <almagest_divine> does ubuntu-studio has a theme of it own?
[13:47] <zniavre> you got it inside synaptic you can try it easily
[13:48] <almagest_divine> ok so it exists. great. i thought its just the wallpaper. thanks
[13:49] <zniavre> ubuntustudio-theme , ubuntustudio-wallpapers  , ubuntustudio-icon-theme
[13:50] <almagest_divine> isnt it better than others? i am not conducting a poll. just asking
[13:50] <zniavre> ubuntustudio-look installs all package needed
[13:51] <zniavre> i said the best one is mine   ^^
[13:51] <almagest_divine> yes i know but what is the second best?
[13:51] <zniavre> there is not
[13:52] <zniavre> i do not know in fact
[13:52] <almagest_divine> wow thats really nice
[13:52] <zniavre> there is plenty of nice theme let's try some and make your own idea
[13:52] <almagest_divine> so what is this channel about? artwork?
[13:52] <almagest_divine> ok sure
[13:53] <zniavre> im not into artwork team
[13:53] <almagest_divine> me neither.
[13:53] <zniavre> i just want to learn design bases here
[13:54] <almagest_divine> omg i have the ubuntu studio theme already installed. i used to love it but never noticed the  name
[13:54] <thorwil> mac_v: so finally i have and idea on how the google wave scrollbars work, thanks to http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/11/15/google_waves_scrollbars/
[13:55] <almagest_divine> i have been to fedora-art but they were not nice people
[13:55] <almagest_divine> i just asked them a serious question and they got offended
[13:56] <thorwil> almagest_divine: what was the question? :)
[13:56] <almagest_divine> i dont want to offend you too. but if you are asking for it so here it is
[13:56] <almagest_divine> i just asked them : who owns fedora?
[13:57] <almagest_divine> isnt that simple enough?
[13:58] <almagest_divine> thorwil: what do you think?
[13:58] <thorwil> almagest_divine: maybe not as trivial as one might think, initially, but not a good reason to get offended
[13:58] <mac_v> thorwil: ah.. you should have got an account when you were at the UDS ;)  iirc popey/czajkowski still has a lot of them left :)
[13:58] <mac_v> have*
[13:59] <almagest_divine> thorwil: that is what i told them that this is a nice question.
[13:59] <almagest_divine> and at the end i found out nobody knew the answer. :)
[13:59]  * mac_v hopes almagest_divine doesnt find out  , that mac_v owns fedora ;p
[14:00] <mac_v> damn it!
[14:00] <almagest_divine> wow thanks. let me inform them too
[14:01] <thorwil> almagest_divine: i would guess fedora is backed by redhat, that they have a few employees directly working on it and it's likely they own the trademark
[14:01] <almagest_divine> thorwil: yes redhat is the only sponsor and has formed it so definitely redhat owns fedora
[14:01] <almagest_divine> it owns every copyright and logo of fedora
[14:02] <almagest_divine> when i told tham the truth, they got offended
[14:02] <almagest_divine> them*
[14:02]  * thorwil gets coffee
[14:02]  * almagest_divine suspects some internal conflicts between redhat and fedora team
[14:03] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, talked to pitti...he says we should put them in lucid first and then we can think about backporting at least two of the changes
[14:03] <kwwii> mac_v: essentially, they don't want to update without a very good reason
[14:04] <mac_v> kwwii: sure , no probs
[14:04] <kwwii> so I'll add it to the release stuff for lucid
[14:04] <kwwii> which keeps that on track anyway
[14:04] <kwwii> and then we can make a branch for a possible karmic update
[14:04] <kwwii> I think that we have a good chance of getting an update if we do it right
[14:05] <mac_v> kwwii: cool.. so you can just branch the main humanity and i dont have to anything right?
[14:05] <kwwii> mac_v: right
[14:05] <mac_v> great :)
[14:05] <kwwii> ;)
[14:05] <almagest_divine> some people talk divinity
[14:06] <mac_v> almagest_divine: whom did you ask actually? the artwork team? BTW , what was the actual intent of the question? just to know more about the company or gathering trivia for... ?
[14:07] <almagest_divine> well its a long story. we were discussing something and this question arised
[14:07] <almagest_divine> and their answer was nobody owns us and we are free, and stuff
[14:07] <almagest_divine> then i asked : who is redhat then?
[14:08] <almagest_divine> they said redhat is just a minor sponsor nothing else
[14:08] <kwwii> well, just because redhat backs them doesn't mean anything special, really...they do get to do what they want a lot
[14:09] <kwwii> I wouldn't make a big deal out of redhat "owning" fedora
[14:09] <kwwii> Novell owns OpenSuse
[14:10] <almagest_divine> well, tellme one thing. if you form a company and pay for its finances and own the right to everything and in the board of directors you have 5 out of 9 plus the chairman is yours who can turn down any deal or idea in fedora
[14:10] <kwwii> if you want to be really free of all of that, install debian
[14:10] <almagest_divine> then according to you who is the owner of your company?
[14:11] <kwwii> oh, they do own them. I'm not saying anything about that
[14:11] <kwwii> they do not take part in every decision though
[14:11] <kwwii> I mean, it is based on redhat code, so redhat is an upstream in that sense
[14:11] <almagest_divine> they wont have enough time to look at each and every matter
[14:12] <almagest_divine> its a big company
[14:12] <almagest_divine> just wants money
[14:12] <kwwii> I think that if you look closely enough, everybody wants something out of this ;)
[14:12]  * mac_v wonders why this topic is being discussed here ;p
[14:12] <kwwii> one way or another
[14:12] <kwwii> no doubt
[14:12] <almagest_divine> sorry for that
[14:12] <kwwii> I just like to make pretty pictures :p
[14:13] <almagest_divine> i like to edit audio, video and images
[14:14] <almagest_divine> well somebody that is drinking coffee right now asked me about the question
[14:15] <almagest_divine> i really like mark shuttleworth. a good entrepreneur
[14:16] <almagest_divine> hey why do people say not to install karmic now?
[14:16] <mac_v> almagest_divine: who says that ?
[14:17]  * mac_v karmic works better for me ;)
[14:17] <almagest_divine> some of my friends. that it has a lot of bugs
[14:17] <mac_v> almagest_divine: nah... all distros have bugs ... and all versions have bugs...
[14:18] <almagest_divine> mac_v: are you the channel admin?
[14:18] <mac_v> almagest_divine: nope
[14:18] <almagest_divine> who is it then?
[14:19] <almagest_divine> i see people are good here.
[14:19] <almagest_divine> i dont know about the ones who are silent, but the ones who are talking are fine
[14:20] <mac_v> almagest_divine: oh no ,we aernt ;p we havent warmed up yet ;)
[14:20] <almagest_divine> mac_v: tell me before you warm up;)
[14:22] <almagest_divine> when you are about to warm up, tell me so that i can call duffy here ;)
[14:27] <almagest_divine> see you again:) bye
[14:29] <kwwii> boah
[14:40] <thorwil> somehow i have issues with being included in "good people" or some such
[14:40] <thorwil> maybe it dates back to when some girls called me "nice" and it seemed to mean not-a-potential-mate
[14:52] <kwwii> nice is probably better than "good friend"
[15:01] <thorwil> protected ubuntu trade dress? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/ubuntu-trade-dress-derivatives/