[08:01]  * mac_v is away: Auto-away after 3 mins idle (gone at 26th Nov, 13:31:07)
[08:04] <kartook> any onme
[08:04] <kartook> hello
[08:49] <kwwii> mac_v: just answered your email
[08:49] <mac_v_> kwwii: ah , thanks :)
[08:50] <kwwii> thanks for the good work ;)
[08:51] <kwwii> I've been really busy this week
[08:51] <mac_v_> kwwii: heh.. ;)  that will probably be the last update for Karmic , revs after that will be for Lucid
[08:52] <kwwii> sounds good
[08:52] <kwwii> I'll get in touch once I know when/what/where/why ;)
[08:53] <mac_v_> lol ;p
[09:04] <thorwil> damn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Wasp
[09:13] <thorwil> i despise having some stuff directly in Incoming. historical reasons be damned
[09:15] <thorwil> best of all, his LP user link is broken
[09:16]  * mac_v scratches head... cant find the said theme 
[09:16] <thorwil> there's an ongoing Rename just now
[09:17] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/Wasp
[09:17] <mac_v> thorwil: is Incoming just a preview location or  shouldnt the user include the theme?
[09:18] <mac_v> i was hoping to see what he had done to fix OOo ;)
[09:18] <thorwil> mac_v: Incoming should be just the parent for ..., Jaunty, Karmic, Lucid, ...
[09:19] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah , i got that :)... i meant ...> why didnt the user upload the theme
[09:19] <thorwil> mac_v: but since we already had long-going theme efforts right in there, we now have the rul that those can stay there and new ones can be added
[09:19] <thorwil> mac_v: but no theme should start out directly in Incoming
[09:20] <mac_v> yup , agreed ;)
[09:22] <thorwil> just this morning i deleted 2 attachments to the backgrounds guidelines page
[09:22] <thorwil> people so blind to the structure, adding stuff where no one else does, irritate me to no end
[09:23] <mac_v> thorwil: i think we need to add a link to a how-to-use-wiki tutorial in the artwork page
[09:24] <thorwil> mac_v: feel invited to write it. the reading-impaired will kick you in the balls without knowing ;)
[09:25]  * thorwil looks at the code of conduct he signed and shakes head
[09:25] <mac_v> thorwil: lol , I didnt mean i would write it .... i meant a link to somewhere in the web ... there must be a link for that
[09:25]  * mac_v searches
[09:27] <mac_v> thorwil: something like this > http://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page
[09:28] <mac_v> sometimes users just didnt know how to add the content
[09:29] <mac_v> or simpler > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/How_to_edit_wiki_pages
[09:29] <thorwil> mac_v: sure. but it would have to be a prefect match to our wiki. and where the heck to put that, so every newcomer will see?
[09:30] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah... where to put it is the real question ;p   i dont know :(
[09:30] <almagest_divine> hey
[09:30] <mac_v> !hi | almagest_divine
[09:30] <thorwil> mac_v: maybe bring it up on the list.
[09:31] <mac_v> we have crappy bot questions...
[09:31]  * mac_v goes to the -ops ;)
[09:31] <mac_v> bot responses*
[09:31] <almagest_divine> lol
[09:33] <almagest_divine> so? how are you?
[09:42] <mac_v> !hi is <reply> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-artwork! Channel for the community artwork team. Feel free to ask questions . Enjoy your stay!
[09:43] <mac_v> !contribute
[09:44] <thorwil> mac_v: look at this attachment to our home page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=LINUX_155.jpg
[09:45] <mac_v> lol...
[09:45]  * thorwil wants notifications on adding and deleting attachments
[09:48] <mac_v> !contribute is <reply> For information on current team activity and on contributing to the Ubuntu Community artwork , Kindly read Wiki:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[09:49] <mac_v> !contribute is <reply> For information regarding current Artwork team activity and about contributing to the Ubuntu Community artwork , Kindly read Wiki:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[09:53] <thorwil> mac_v: you should have answered how you are to almagest_divine ;p
[09:54] <mac_v> thorwil: meh...  i like bots better ;p
[10:16] <mac_v> !contribute
[10:20] <mac_v> !hi
[13:23] <almagest_divine> hey
[13:25] <almagest_divine> what is the best ubuntu theme?
[13:27] <zniavre> this one for sure : http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/zni3?content=86285
[13:27] <zniavre> :o)
[13:29] <almagest_divine> any other theme? ;)
[13:30] <mac_v> !best
[13:31] <mac_v> almagest_divine: ^
[13:31] <mac_v>  ;)
[13:31] <almagest_divine> :)
[13:31] <almagest_divine> by best i meant a nice theme
[13:32] <zniavre> :o)
[13:33] <zniavre> it's ful of very nice theme on gnome-look.org
[13:33] <almagest_divine> yeah i was just viewing them
[13:33] <almagest_divine> thanks
[13:46] <almagest_divine> ok so i am done with #ubuntu-bots. they are really dumb.
[13:47] <almagest_divine> does ubuntu-studio has a theme of it own?
[13:47] <zniavre> you got it inside synaptic you can try it easily
[13:48] <almagest_divine> ok so it exists. great. i thought its just the wallpaper. thanks
[13:49] <zniavre> ubuntustudio-theme , ubuntustudio-wallpapers  , ubuntustudio-icon-theme
[13:50] <almagest_divine> isnt it better than others? i am not conducting a poll. just asking
[13:50] <zniavre> ubuntustudio-look installs all package needed
[13:51] <zniavre> i said the best one is mine   ^^
[13:51] <almagest_divine> yes i know but what is the second best?
[13:51] <zniavre> there is not
[13:52] <zniavre> i do not know in fact
[13:52] <almagest_divine> wow thats really nice
[13:52] <zniavre> there is plenty of nice theme let's try some and make your own idea
[13:52] <almagest_divine> so what is this channel about? artwork?
[13:52] <almagest_divine> ok sure
[13:53] <zniavre> im not into artwork team
[13:53] <almagest_divine> me neither.
[13:53] <zniavre> i just want to learn design bases here
[13:54] <almagest_divine> omg i have the ubuntu studio theme already installed. i used to love it but never noticed the  name
[13:54] <thorwil> mac_v: so finally i have and idea on how the google wave scrollbars work, thanks to http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/11/15/google_waves_scrollbars/
[13:55] <almagest_divine> i have been to fedora-art but they were not nice people
[13:55] <almagest_divine> i just asked them a serious question and they got offended
[13:56] <thorwil> almagest_divine: what was the question? :)
[13:56] <almagest_divine> i dont want to offend you too. but if you are asking for it so here it is
[13:56] <almagest_divine> i just asked them : who owns fedora?
[13:57] <almagest_divine> isnt that simple enough?
[13:58] <almagest_divine> thorwil: what do you think?
[13:58] <thorwil> almagest_divine: maybe not as trivial as one might think, initially, but not a good reason to get offended
[13:58] <mac_v> thorwil: ah.. you should have got an account when you were at the UDS ;)  iirc popey/czajkowski still has a lot of them left :)
[13:58] <mac_v> have*
[13:59] <almagest_divine> thorwil: that is what i told them that this is a nice question.
[13:59] <almagest_divine> and at the end i found out nobody knew the answer. :)
[13:59]  * mac_v hopes almagest_divine doesnt find out  , that mac_v owns fedora ;p
[14:00] <mac_v> damn it!
[14:00] <almagest_divine> wow thanks. let me inform them too
[14:01] <thorwil> almagest_divine: i would guess fedora is backed by redhat, that they have a few employees directly working on it and it's likely they own the trademark
[14:01] <almagest_divine> thorwil: yes redhat is the only sponsor and has formed it so definitely redhat owns fedora
[14:01] <almagest_divine> it owns every copyright and logo of fedora
[14:02] <almagest_divine> when i told tham the truth, they got offended
[14:02] <almagest_divine> them*
[14:02]  * thorwil gets coffee
[14:02]  * almagest_divine suspects some internal conflicts between redhat and fedora team
[14:03] <kwwii> mac_v: ok, talked to pitti...he says we should put them in lucid first and then we can think about backporting at least two of the changes
[14:03] <kwwii> mac_v: essentially, they don't want to update without a very good reason
[14:04] <mac_v> kwwii: sure , no probs
[14:04] <kwwii> so I'll add it to the release stuff for lucid
[14:04] <kwwii> which keeps that on track anyway
[14:04] <kwwii> and then we can make a branch for a possible karmic update
[14:04] <kwwii> I think that we have a good chance of getting an update if we do it right
[14:05] <mac_v> kwwii: cool.. so you can just branch the main humanity and i dont have to anything right?
[14:05] <kwwii> mac_v: right
[14:05] <mac_v> great :)
[14:05] <kwwii> ;)
[14:05] <almagest_divine> some people talk divinity
[14:06] <mac_v> almagest_divine: whom did you ask actually? the artwork team? BTW , what was the actual intent of the question? just to know more about the company or gathering trivia for... ?
[14:07] <almagest_divine> well its a long story. we were discussing something and this question arised
[14:07] <almagest_divine> and their answer was nobody owns us and we are free, and stuff
[14:07] <almagest_divine> then i asked : who is redhat then?
[14:08] <almagest_divine> they said redhat is just a minor sponsor nothing else
[14:08] <kwwii> well, just because redhat backs them doesn't mean anything special, really...they do get to do what they want a lot
[14:09] <kwwii> I wouldn't make a big deal out of redhat "owning" fedora
[14:09] <kwwii> Novell owns OpenSuse
[14:10] <almagest_divine> well, tellme one thing. if you form a company and pay for its finances and own the right to everything and in the board of directors you have 5 out of 9 plus the chairman is yours who can turn down any deal or idea in fedora
[14:10] <kwwii> if you want to be really free of all of that, install debian
[14:10] <almagest_divine> then according to you who is the owner of your company?
[14:11] <kwwii> oh, they do own them. I'm not saying anything about that
[14:11] <kwwii> they do not take part in every decision though
[14:11] <kwwii> I mean, it is based on redhat code, so redhat is an upstream in that sense
[14:11] <almagest_divine> they wont have enough time to look at each and every matter
[14:12] <almagest_divine> its a big company
[14:12] <almagest_divine> just wants money
[14:12] <kwwii> I think that if you look closely enough, everybody wants something out of this ;)
[14:12]  * mac_v wonders why this topic is being discussed here ;p
[14:12] <kwwii> one way or another
[14:12] <kwwii> no doubt
[14:12] <almagest_divine> sorry for that
[14:12] <kwwii> I just like to make pretty pictures :p
[14:13] <almagest_divine> i like to edit audio, video and images
[14:14] <almagest_divine> well somebody that is drinking coffee right now asked me about the question
[14:15] <almagest_divine> i really like mark shuttleworth. a good entrepreneur
[14:16] <almagest_divine> hey why do people say not to install karmic now?
[14:16] <mac_v> almagest_divine: who says that ?
[14:17]  * mac_v karmic works better for me ;)
[14:17] <almagest_divine> some of my friends. that it has a lot of bugs
[14:17] <mac_v> almagest_divine: nah... all distros have bugs ... and all versions have bugs...
[14:18] <almagest_divine> mac_v: are you the channel admin?
[14:18] <mac_v> almagest_divine: nope
[14:18] <almagest_divine> who is it then?
[14:19] <almagest_divine> i see people are good here.
[14:19] <almagest_divine> i dont know about the ones who are silent, but the ones who are talking are fine
[14:20] <mac_v> almagest_divine: oh no ,we aernt ;p we havent warmed up yet ;)
[14:20] <almagest_divine> mac_v: tell me before you warm up;)
[14:22] <almagest_divine> when you are about to warm up, tell me so that i can call duffy here ;)
[14:27] <almagest_divine> see you again:) bye
[14:29] <kwwii> boah
[14:40] <thorwil> somehow i have issues with being included in "good people" or some such
[14:40] <thorwil> maybe it dates back to when some girls called me "nice" and it seemed to mean not-a-potential-mate
[14:52] <kwwii> nice is probably better than "good friend"
[15:01] <thorwil> protected ubuntu trade dress? http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/ubuntu-trade-dress-derivatives/