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dholbachtseliot, ebroder, blackxored, nixternal, nhandler, jpds, geser: are you guys around?16:59
ebroderhey dholbach16:59
* blackxored is here :P16:59
nhandlerI'm here16:59
* geser waves17:00
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* tseliot waves17:01
dholbach[TOPIC] Evan Broder's MOTU Application17:01
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dholbach[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EvanBroder/MOTUApplication17:01
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dholbachhey ebroder - how are you doing?17:01
ebroderhey - not too bad. excited, nervous, etc17:01
dholbachit's all good :)17:01
dholbachebroder: so you said you're a bit unhappy about the sponsoring process... is there any ideas you have about how we could fix it? by something other than spending more time on it? anything that would improve the situation?17:02
ebroderi'm not really sure what there is to do besides make sure the sponsorship queue gets the attention it needs17:03
ebroderi did think about this some more recently, though17:03
ebroderit occurred to me that i might be more frustrated with sru handling than normal uploads17:03
ebrodersince that's a lot of what i do17:03
ebroder(i mean to go back and edit that on the application, but forgot)17:03
nixternalheh, I am looking at build failures you had, and on the build status page, there is a head shot of cjwatson smiling at me...kind of scared me :p17:03
nhandlerebroder: So would you be interested in getting involved with the SRU team if you become a MOTU?17:04
dholbachI see, maybe we should have a chat about SRU separately from this meeting though :)17:04
nixternalebroder: do you remember you had the build failures for zephyr and mit-scheme in jaunty? sorry, my LP connect is buggered right now...what were the reasons behind those?17:04
ebrodernhandler: Absolutely17:04
ebrodernixternal: Not off the top of my head - let me glance at the logs17:05
ebrodermit-scheme is just a weird package to begin with17:05
jpdsnixternal: bug #427051 .17:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 427051 in soyuz "Copy archives show their owner too prominently" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42705117:05
ebrodernixternal: looks like the zephyr failure was krb4-related? that's weird - shouldn't have happened in jaunty, though17:06
nixternal"I think the MOTU community needs to collectively buckle down and agree to pressure each other to spend more time on sponsoring other people's patches."  - considering that 99.9% of MOTU are volunteers, what would you propose here that would work for them17:06
nixternalnote: the whole volunteer excuse is pathetic to me btw...I don't like when people won't fix something because they are just a volunteer supposedly17:06
ebrodernixternal: I'm not sure how you can do it as anything other than setting expectations and atmosphere17:07
dholbachjpds: what about that bug?17:08
ebroderIt's obvious that Ubuntu can't survive without extensive help from the community, so I think helping people outside of the relatively inner circle of MOTUs is an important part of keeping Ubuntu going17:08
ebroderWhen you look at it that way, it's sort of self-destructive to /not/ do sponsorship and such17:08
nixternalgroovy answer :)17:09
dholbachis there any team you could imagine working with apart from motu?17:09
nixternalgroovy feedback too17:09
ebroderdholbach: I'm hoping to get involved with backports more actively. It all comes back to dealing with a deployment that lags behind Ubuntu development, so I'm interested in getting bug fixes and new software to the machines I'm responsible for17:10
* dholbach is done with questions17:10
* nixternal too17:10
dholbachgeser, jpds, nhandler?17:11
gesercatching up with scrollback17:11
ebrodernixternal: You know, I'm still really confused by those mit-scheme and zephyr FTBFS's. I don't think I recognize them at all17:12
nhandlerebroder: So besides SRUs and Backports (which are both great), what type of work are you planning on doing for the current development release if you become a MOTU ?17:12
* nixternal notes there is a deep fried turkey with his name written all over it17:13
* nixternal also notes there are pumpkin pies galore that specifically say 'nixternal only! you touch, I install Windows on your PC!'17:13
ebrodernhandler: I'm not really sure I know yet. I don't think I've ever been as actively involved in a development release as I'd like to be for Lucid. The stuff I do is usually more reactionary17:14
* nixternal notes that SRUs will take up most of ones time anyways :)17:15
* nixternal is noting quite a bit today17:15
nhandlerOk, I'm ready to vote17:15
dholbachonly jpds and geser left :)17:15
gesernixternal: if it's deep fried then you are in no hurry during this meeting. It won't get colder :)17:15
geserno questions for ebroder17:16
jpdsI'm fine.17:16
dholbach[VOTE] Shall Evan Broder become MOTU?17:16
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nixternaldoesn't matter...there are plenty of people waiting too, some happen to actually be bigger than I :)17:16
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nixternalebroder: congrats and welcome!!! \o/17:17
nhandlerCongrats ebroder. It will be nice having another person working on SRUs and Backports. Keep up the great work.17:17
dholbachCongratulations ebroder17:17
ebroderthanks all :-D17:17
blackxoredebroder, congrats17:17
dholbach[TOPIC] Alberto Milone's Core Dev application17:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Alberto Milone's Core Dev application17:17
jpdsebroder: congrats. :)17:17
dholbach[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlbertoMilone/CoreDeveloperApplication17:17
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dholbachtseliot: Buon Giorno Alberto :)17:18
dholbachhow are you doing?17:18
tseliotdholbach: exhausted because of my work on plymouth but otherwise fine, thanks. You?17:18
dholbacha bit tired myself, but it's all good :)17:18
tseliotgood :-)17:19
nixternalhrmm, I figured tseliot would have more testimonials considering his god-like work with X17:19
dholbachyou mentioned you work with X.org upstream - how are things going there?17:19
tseliotnixternal: I guess they were busy ;)17:19
nixternalno doubt17:20
tseliotdholbach: quite well. They also gave me an account on freedesktop so that I can contribute to plymouth17:20
tseliotand I'm working very closely with upstream17:20
dholbachnice, I'm glad to hear that17:20
nixternalI will give my brief testimonial on where I worked a little with tseliot back in the day...he did some X work for Kubuntu at UDS Jaunty \o/ and lets not forget his groovy touchpad drivers for the dell mini 10v that made my life easier as well a couple of months back17:20
* tseliot is working on the boot process for Lucid17:21
nhandlertseliot: How is your UI for configuring touchpads coming along?17:21
dholbachtseliot: do you know if there are any plans for BulletproofX this cycle? I mean the little dialogue that help you fix things?17:21
tseliotnhandler: it stalled because of my lack of time but I'll work on it and on touchscreens in this release cycle as I'll join the desktop team (for a team swap, as I'm an OEM engineer)17:22
tseliotdholbach: I think there are plans for that as we want to make X more robust in general17:22
tseliotbryce is the right person to ask on that17:23
dholbachalrightie - was just wondering :)17:23
tseliotI'll try to fix the mess with proprietary drivers and some other X stuff17:23
nixternaltseliot: any more working coming for the touchpad on dell mini's? or are the touchpads on them so bad it is darn near impossible to make them any better?17:23
dholbachsounds like a busy time17:23
tseliotdholbach: it sure is17:24
tseliotnixternal: do yo refer to the mini 10v?17:24
tseliotif so, then yes, I'm afraid there's nothing more I can do about it.17:24
tseliotthe switch from hal to udev should make it more reliable though17:24
nixternalI kind of figured that unfortunately.... /me kicks dell17:25
tseliotas sometimes the fdi cache is corrupted and my fix is ignored17:25
nixternalI have kicked Mario enough17:25
nixternalI am done with questions....I am ready to rock and roll17:25
nhandlerI'm good to vote17:25
* dholbach too17:25
nixternalwhoa, he said something without a ping first :p17:26
* geser is ready to vote17:26
dholbach[VOTE] Shall Alberto Milone be recommended for Core Dev?17:27
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nixternaltseliot: congrats and welcome!!! \o/17:27
dholbachwell done :)17:27
jpdstseliot: Congrats. :)17:27
nhandlerCongratulations tseliot !17:27
ebrodercongrats, tseliot17:27
dholbachWe'll pass our nomination on to the DMB and they'll get in touch with you17:27
tseliotthanks everyone :-)17:28
tseliotok, great17:28
blackxoredtseliot, cool :P17:28
dholbach[TOPIC] Application of Adrian Perez for upload rights for azureus, swt-gtk and eclips17:28
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dholbach[TOPIC] Application of Adrian Perez for upload rights for azureus, swt-gtk and eclipse17:28
MootBotNew Topic:  Application of Adrian Perez for upload rights for azureus, swt-gtk and eclipse17:28
dholbach[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdrianPerez/PerPackageUploaderApplication17:28
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dholbachhello blackxored - how are you doing?17:29
dholbachlooks like last-minute application :-)17:29
blackxoredI'm fine daniel thanks17:29
* bdrung_ is here, too.17:29
blackxoredsurely it does, I'm not sure we can complete today :(17:29
blackxoredand yourself?17:30
dholbachblackxored: your application does not have any endorsements from other people you worked with... who did you work with particularly in Ubuntu and/or debian?17:30
* dholbach is doing quite well, thanks :)17:30
bdrung_dholbach: press f517:30
blackxoredbdrung_, hehehe17:30
blackxoredI have worked with bdrung, nthykier, and slytherin on ubuntu17:31
dholbachbdrung_: appreciated17:31
nixternalI see bdrung_'s testimonial17:31
blackxoredthe most of it17:31
nixternalI was going to ask if you worked with bdrung_ first17:31
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blackxoredsadly, neither slythering or nthykier seem active17:31
dholbachblackxored: is there anything you are most proud of in your work with Ubuntu and Debian?17:32
bdrung_nthykier is debian user (so he do not count)17:32
blackxoreddholbach, definitely the azureus resurrection, that was hard-work :P17:32
nhandlerblackxored: What do you plan on doing if you gain upload rights for these packages?17:33
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dholbachblackxored: I'm curious, what did the work to resurrect it entail?17:33
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blackxoredbdrung_, good point, but worked with him :P17:34
dholbachbdrung_: if nthykier was here, I'd value the input :)17:35
blackxoreddholbach, it was something like idiomatic expression, I had to re-package, clean a huge backlog of bugs, restart contact with upstream, and the like17:35
blackxoredI enjoyed doing all that, no complains17:35
dholbachyeah, I guess so :)17:35
dholbachblackxored: anything during the resurrection which was really hard?17:35
bdrung_dholbach: i contacted him (let's see if he is online)17:36
blackxoredreally really hard17:36
blackxoredI don't think so17:36
blackxoredthe bugs probably17:36
* blackxored thinks dholbach liked the term "resurrection" hehehe17:36
dholbachlike contacting the upstream developers about the problems and making sure they start working on them?17:37
nhandlerblackxored: What do you plan on doing if you gain upload rights for these packages?17:37
blackxoreddholbach, no, that was easy, I have a pretty good integration with upstream devs there, I crash the team's head twice a week or so17:37
* dholbach takes notes: violent character, crashes heads17:38
* nixternal was looking for doko17:38
blackxorednhandler, by working as a team of course, but i think I would be great to provide a clean integration within the debian packages and the ubuntu ones, the upstream fixes, and the like17:38
blackxoreddholbach, hehehe it was also idiomatic :P17:39
dholbachblackxored: in the packaging, is there a lot of .jar juggling involved? is it very likely to break? (note that I have little experience with java packaging)17:39
blackxorednhandler, example, we have an ubuntu delta in azureus, I've strongly tested that can be dropped, it prevents sync for that package, and it was introduced in an early stage of karmic because of a hotspot bug17:39
blackxoreddholbach, eclipse is the one which jars make me cry, otherwise cdbs is clean enough for our purposes17:40
blackxoredI have also worked with the jigsaw project for java packaging for linux distros, but the project seems on hold right now17:40
dholbachblackxored: how is working in Ubuntu different than working in Debian?17:41
nixternalwow, there was a ton of work that went into azureus17:42
nixternalblackxored: have you worked with doko at all?17:42
blackxorednixternal, thanks17:42
blackxorednixternal, you mean Mathias Klose17:42
blackxoreddholbach, version numbers17:43
blackxoreddholbach, dependencies sometimes17:43
blackxoreddholbach, the bug tracker17:43
nixternalblackxored: yes17:43
blackxoreddholbach, policy-related17:43
bdrung_FYI: nthykier is here. he is the third person in our "eclipse team"17:43
blackxoreddholbach, specific bugs that only affect ubuntu17:43
blackxoreddholbach, like the one in azureus I've been talking about17:43
dholbachblackxored: how was your experience getting things done in Ubuntu?17:44
blackxoreddholbach, ellaborate on that17:44
dholbachnthykier: thanks a bunch for turning up here17:44
blackxorednixternal, I think he sponsored some uploads for me in debian17:44
dholbachblackxored: I would expect that somebody who worked in other places in open source and Debian, might need some time to figure out "how everything works" in Ubuntu17:45
nthykierdholbach: you are welcome; though I think I only got 15 min. time hole right now17:45
dholbachnthykier: how long have you been working togethere with nthykier?17:45
dholbachthat was obviously wrong :)17:45
dholbachnthykier: how long have you been working togethere with blackxored?17:45
blackxoreddholbach, I know how stuff works in ubuntu, you may want to be a little more specific about your question, coudl you?17:46
blackxoreddholbach, heheh17:46
* bdrung_ wonders how long nthykier worked without himself.17:46
blackxoredbdrung_, ;)17:46
nthykierdholbach: First one, about 22 years, real tight, never let me down!17:46
dholbachblackxored: I just wanted to know generally how you found your way into Ubuntu and how it all worked out for you. if it was obvious and the like17:46
dholbachnthykier: glad to hear that - it's encouraging :)17:46
blackxoreddholbach, I switched to ubuntu since 7.04 or so, mostly because of the release process17:47
nthykierdholbach: about blackxored I started working with him when he offered to help with packaging eclipse in Debian.17:47
blackxoreddholbach, and started contributing as soon as I realized I have the skills to do so, both for debian and ubuntu :P17:47
dholbachnthykier: how steep do you think the learning curve is for somebody getting involved with Java packaging?17:48
blackxoreddholbach, as an addon I liked your MOTU videos17:48
* nixternal notes: brown nosing17:48
dholbachblackxored: and you feel you got a feel for the processes, how the people worked and everything easily enough? was there anything that felt easier than the other?17:48
dholbachblackxored: thanks for the flowers :)17:48
bdrung_dholbach: (it took me two year to work on java packages)17:49
nixternaljeesh, the diffs with azureus were insane...I am stuck in a diff view that is nuts :)17:49
blackxoreddholbach, what's definitely easier in ubuntu is that packaging is a big team17:49
dholbachblackxored: what do you mean by big team?17:49
blackxoreddholbach, I disliked that approach at the beginning, someone touching your packages17:49
nthykierdholbach: Hmm; not sure; I seem to have caught on it rather fast myself, but I have had some practice with java prior to packaging it17:49
blackxoreddholbach, no single maintainer17:49
dholbachblackxored: ah, gotcha17:50
blackxoreddholbach, but then realized that team work is a god-send :P17:50
blackxoreddholbach, np17:50
dholbachnthykier: and the same was true for bdrung_ and blackxored? all "java packaging" naturals?17:50
blackxoreddholbach, not really17:50
blackxoreddholbach, normally developer, used to java, recommendation to join the team, that's how it happened17:50
nixternalI am ready to vote17:51
nixternalno more questions here :)17:51
nthykierdholbach: I admit not having created a java package from scratch - there has been enough java packages in Debian needing care that I am yet to find time to this.17:51
blackxoreddholbach, it was natural to be aquantianed with the language of the app, that's the way I have made patches easily17:51
dholbachgeser, jpds, nhandler: any more questions?17:52
nhandlerI'm good for voting17:52
geserstill no questions17:53
dholbachgeser: sorry, must have missed it17:53
dholbachdid we lose jpds already?17:53
dholbachanyway, we have quorum, let's vote17:53
dholbach[VOTE] Shall Adrian Perez be recommended for upload rights for eclipse, azureus and swt-gtk?17:54
MootBotPlease vote on:  Shall Adrian Perez be recommended for upload rights for eclipse, azureus and swt-gtk?.17:54
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nixternalsorry....i was dancing17:55
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dholbachnixternal: WHAT? :)17:55
dholbachoh... I just noticed: <jpds> If you guys think he's acceptable for upload rights, you have my +1.17:55
MootBotFinal result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 417:55
dholbachwhich makes 5 out of 5 today17:55
nixternalthought I was late on teh vote :)17:55
dholbachblackxored: well done - we'll pass on our recommendation to the developer membership board and they'll get in touch with you about it17:56
nixternalblackxored: congrats! now .... dang dholbach beat me to it :)17:56
dholbachthanks nthykier and bdrung_ for your feedback17:56
dholbachand keep up the good work!17:56
nthykierdholbach: you are welcome17:56
bdrung_congrats blackxored17:56
dholbachI'll be in touch with you guys about frontlinesms packaging soon :)17:56
blackxoredthank you guys, hopefully for this lucid cycle I'll be noticeable for MOTU17:56
bdrung_dholbach: np17:56
dholbachthere might be some stuff we could work on together - ... and I have no clue :-)17:56
blackxoreddholbach, ehehhehe17:57
dholbach[TOPIC] Any other business17:57
MootBotNew Topic:  Any other business17:57
blackxoreddholbach, not many java MOTUs out there, I've heard17:57
blackxoredanyway thanks17:57
dholbachnot yet :)17:57
nixternalnothing more here, other than a turkey waiting for me17:57
dholbach * Decide who is going to Updating process approved applications.17:57
dholbachraise your hands please!17:57
dholbach * Update MOTU/Headers/NextMCMeeting and MOTU/Council/Meeting17:58
dholbach * Update our team report: MOTU/Council/TeamReport17:58
nixternaltomorrow would be the earliest I could do that, as I am heading out for the rest of the day for the holiday17:58
nixternalI have people yelling at me to hurry up :)17:58
dholbachI'm happy to the two last now, but I won't have time tonight to process the applications17:58
nixternalisn't there only one to process?17:58
nixternalerr, sorry17:58
dholbachoh well17:58
dholbachI'll do it17:58
nixternalI was thinking the LP processing :)17:58
dholbachthanks everybody17:59
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:59.17:59
nixternalno, thank you!17:59
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