ScottKLex79: Retried.  Thanks.00:23
Lex79no problem00:24
ScottKapachelogger: Did we pick a meeting time?00:26
ScottKJontheEchidna, Riddell, apachelogger, nixternal, and Tonio__: How about 2100UTC on Friday for a kubuntu-dev meeting to slow roast JontheEchidna about his application?03:07
alterooAre you allowed to invite JontheEchidna to a slow roast of JontheEchidna and let JontheEchidna know that's the intent? :)03:11
nixternalScottK: I should be around03:12
ScottKalteroo: He applied for kubuntu-dev, he ought to have understood this.03:13
ScottKnixternal: Excellent.03:13
Tonio__ScottK: fine with me03:26
ScottKTonio__: Excellent.03:26
ScottKTonio__: Did you see rgreening started work on the Samba integration spec?03:26
Tonio__ScottK: just ping me if I don't come up, I may already be on the phone by that time03:26
Tonio__ScottK: he told me yes03:26
Tonio__ScottK: which is fine :)03:26
Tonio__ScottK: I should see this with him03:26
ScottKTonio__: Good.  You've been following the kubuntu-dev changes on kubuntu-devel?03:27
Tonio__ScottK: I was waiting for the "gui" part to be coded to make the all samba crap to work03:27
* Tonio__ knows pretty well about samba :)03:27
Tonio__ScottK: rgrenning rocks :)03:27
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Tonio_ScottK: I was expecting news from Smarter this week03:28
ScottKYep.  Wanted to make sure you were aware since I haven't seen you around much lately.03:28
Tonio_ScottK: lots of work, unfortunatelly03:28
Tonio_ScottK: and I must say a little lack of motivation right now03:28
Tonio_new girlfriend, I don't want to expose her to my geekness to fast :)03:29
ScottKTonio_: Well hopefully you can recover some of this motivation.03:29
Tonio_but, that temporary, it's not the first time I'm having a break03:29
ScottKOf course.03:29
Tonio_ScottK: I will, I already stopped for almost a year 3 years ago03:29
ScottKTonio_: Since this is LTS, we can use all the help we can get.03:29
Tonio_ScottK: that's why I'm still here after 5 years with kubuntu03:29
ScottK(take a break after)03:29
Tonio_because I stopped before I get disgusted with this all stuff :)03:30
* ScottK nods03:30
Tonio_ScottK: but yeah I know I have to do as much as possible for an lts03:30
Tonio_ScottK: the horrible stuff I'm working on is ending by the week coming... hopefully after this :)03:31
ScottKgood timing then.03:31
ScottKWe should have KDE 4.4 beta then.03:31
Tonio_ScottK: I'm extremelly excited with lucid since we should go with lots of chnges....03:32
Tonio_hopefully rekonq... can't wait :)03:33
Tonio_ScottK: lso with my new job I don't have 25% of my time dedicated to kubuntu, that changes a lot...03:34
ScottKOf course.03:34
Tonio_but once I'll have done a couple of projects I may get some time to work on my working hours03:34
Tonio_revolution linux is a canonical partner after all03:34
* Tonio_ beds03:35
Tonio_seya ScottK :)03:35
Tonio_ScottK: oh one thing I WANT for lucid is the opensuse patched for kde4/firefox03:36
Tonio_it's genius03:36
Tonio_that changed my life at work :)03:36
ScottKTonio_: We have a spec on this and work is in progress.03:37
Tonio_I wanted to see with asac, but I have to review all the specs made at the UDS03:37
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JontheEchidnaScottK: Friday afternoon/evening's not good for me this week. What other options are there?03:52
ScottKJontheEchidna: Not sure.  apachelogger had proposed UTC evening tomorrow and I hadn't seen an objection, so I thought I'd press it.03:52
ScottKJontheEchidna: Maybe you could set up a doodle poll for the meeting?03:52
JontheEchidnaSounds like a plan.03:55
JontheEchidnaSaturday evening UTC would work for me03:55
ScottKThat probably works for me too.03:57
JontheEchidnahmm, the smtp kio slave is broken04:03
ScottKThat's not good (smtp kio slave)04:12
ScottKRiddell, apachelogger, Tonio_, nixternal ^^^ (doodle poll for a good time to 'quiz' JontheEchidna)04:12
JontheEchidnathe ioslave is likely built against 4.6 beta still04:13
ScottKWhat package does it live in?04:14
ScottKI think all the pim ones are rebuilt.04:14
JontheEchidnaI'm checking for updates now. No need worrying about it if it's a new update since around noonish04:15
JontheEchidna*that has been available since I last checked around noonish04:15
ScottKI thought I did PIM last night, but it might have been this morning.04:16
JontheEchidna!find kio_smtp04:16
ubottuFile kio_smtp found in kdepimlibs-dbg, kdepimlibs5, language-pack-kde-af-base, language-pack-kde-ar-base, language-pack-kde-be-base (and 62 others)04:16
JontheEchidnaInstalled: 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu404:17
ScottKpimlibs I definitely did yesterday04:18
JontheEchidnaOk, that's built against 4.6 rc104:19
JontheEchidnakmail is too. Maybe I just need to restart it04:20
JontheEchidnaNope, something is broken. I can live with using the GMail web interface until 4.3.85 theoretically fixes things :P04:22
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ScottKJontheEchidna: With 4.3.4 tagging imminent, it's probably good to know if this is broken with 4.3.3 on Karmic too.04:37
JontheEchidnaoh, it only broke after today's updates04:39
JontheEchidnasince I was able to send out my application to k-d yesterday, according to kmail04:39
nixternalhttp://blog.nixternal.com/2009.11.26/omfgwtfbbq-no-more-gimp/  <- how many flames will that kick off I wonder?04:41
nixternalmy RSS feeds are all about "Ubuntu ditching Gimp"04:41
JontheEchidnaomgwtf is nothing without a good bbq04:41
nixternalno it isn't :)04:41
nixternalnow, speaking of graphics, why in the hell don't we ship digikam by default yet?04:42
nixternalI just realized that after installing fresh on my main system04:42
JontheEchidnait has a fat arse04:42
JontheEchidnawell, when you bring kipi into the mix04:43
nixternalwhich, let me just say this, unencrypted life is absolute love...fast boot, fast everything!!!04:43
ScottKDoesn't fit through the door in otherwords04:43
nixternalditch gwenview04:43
ScottKnixternal: Gwenview is love.04:43
nixternalkrfb and krdc can go too04:44
* ScottK agrees there04:44
nixternalya, I like gwenview for just browsing images...can it do anything else?04:44
nixternalI haven't really looked at it04:44
ScottKIn 4.4 it has some basic camera import stuff.04:44
ScottKIt can also do basic changes like rotation and stuff.04:44
nixternalbut I import with digikam and ship it straight to flickr anyways04:44
ScottKRight, but digikam is not a simple app.04:45
ScottKI think gwenview by default and digikam for people that want it works fine.04:45
nixternaloh wow, gwenview can do that too04:45
ScottKIt's grown up a bit recently.04:45
nixternalthere are some menus that say "No Plugins"04:45
JontheEchidna^probably not by default, since it uses the same kipi-plugins04:45
* nixternal hunts for plugins04:45
ScottKI don't recall how much of that is new for 4.4.04:46
JontheEchidnaThough, iirc kipi-plugins biggest dependency was libgtk04:46
JontheEchidnawhich we have now courtesy of openoffice.org-core04:46
JontheEchidnawould be worth re-evaluating04:46
nixternalhrmm, though kipi-plugins worked in gwenview as well04:47
nixternaloh they do04:47
nixternaljust missing some naked menu items04:47
ScottKFortunately the upstream is often here if you have feedback..04:47
nixternalwow, gwenview is actually more than I thought it was04:49
nixternalas soon as it gets the cam import stuff it will be super groovy04:49
ScottKnixternal: Say thanks to agateau when you see him.04:51
* ScottK wanders off to retrieve a teenager that was allowed to roam loose tonight.04:51
nixternalhttps://launchpad.net/bzr-upload  <- this is love too04:51
JontheEchidnaWhoa, an Ubuntu One bookmark magically appeared in the Places folder of Dolphin.04:52
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: ^any of your doing, or does Ubuntu One gnome already have fancy cross-desktop places bookmark shizz?04:52
JontheEchidnauh-oh, kio-file has given up the ghost now. Yay for running pre-alpha crack \o/04:54
claydohJontheEchidna: I don't think so - I never noted one when I was using the gnome applet04:54
claydohbut I sure has one now04:55
* JontheEchidna noticed kded4 isn't running04:56
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DarkwingDuckHey nixternal you around?05:23
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: my doing, the fancy thing here is that my doing is more crossdesktop even though I do use a KDE class to creat it :P06:40
apacheloggerScottK: Riddell would only be avilable UTC evenings next week, so am I06:41
apacheloggerjust need some 3rd dev to set a final date and time :P06:42
alterooapachelogger: So you just need some KDE stuff and you can be cross desktop too?06:47
jussi01nixternal: rock on mate! lovin your blog post07:15
markeywell well07:33
* markey nudges apachelogger07:34
markey*frown* *twitch*07:34
Riddellwho broke freenode this morning?08:23
Tm_Tnot me this time08:27
Tm_TRiddell: is it too bold to just write some comments in kde-core-devel?08:27
RiddellTm_T: about what?08:27
Tm_Tthe nepomuk mess, especially about winters patch08:28
Tm_TRiddell: I mean, I'm "new face" in there so I have no idea how welcome my comments would be08:29
Tm_TI just want this mess sorted so everyone can go back doing their stuff freely08:29
RiddellTm_T: well he's aware of what he did and he appologised and said he'll fix it, from my view it's a good thing since it means we don't have two KDE releases at the same time08:31
Tm_TRiddell: well, I've been helping trueg on this, I just want to comment those patches and possible issues out there08:32
Tm_Tas I see those two mentioned there aren't enough to get kdebase to build08:33
Riddellif you have something useful which hasn't already been said then by all means.  note that k-c-d is moderated though08:33
Tm_TRiddell: I subscribed just in case, thanks I'll go ahead08:34
Tm_Tif lucky, there's only one issue left with kdelibs & kdebase08:42
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Tm_TRiddell: sent, I hope I could so something useful on this matter, been too long just lurking08:53
QuintasanRiddell: about bug #489024, where lies the problem? Its KRunner or the shortcut implementation in Konq?08:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 489024 in kubuntu-ppa "krunner shortcut help contains HTML tags." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48902408:58
RiddellQuintasan: probably krunner09:02
QuintasanI wonder if I can fix it09:10
Riddellqlabel has a property to say if it treats the input as HTMLish, that probably needs set somewhere09:11
Quintasanurgh 65mbs of source09:14
tsimpsonI think you can just wrap the text in "<qt>...</qt>" as it just checks if the text "looks like" HTML09:16
Riddellthat could work too09:30
QuintasanRiddell: http://pastebin.com/f257b48dd <-- this line captures my attention09:46
Quintasanthere is also knownShortcuts.append("</li>"); at the end of foreach {09:46
QuintasanRiddell: and it uses QString to display the list of shortcuts :/09:50
RiddellQuintasan: that'll be making the HTML but it still needs the qlabel to realise that it is HTML09:51
QuintasanRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/329204/ ?09:54
Riddellcould try putting a <qt> at the start of that09:55
apacheloggerRiddell: wouldnt that change the string?09:57
QuintasanRiddell: like this -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/329209/ ?10:04
QuintasanI don't like HTML-like tags in C++ :O10:04
tsimpsonQuintasan: no, in the string10:05
Riddellthat's not c++ indeed10:06
tsimpsonor like: Plasma::RunnerSyntax s("shortcut" + m_delimiter + ":q:", "<qt>" + i18n("Opens the location associated with \"shortcut\"  in a web browser with the query :q:. Known shortcuts include: <ul>%1<ul>", knownShortcuts));10:06
tsimpsonthat way it should preserve translations10:07
Riddellapachelogger: not if it's done like that ^^10:07
apacheloggergood point10:07
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, for ubuntuone it probably makes most sense to implement a kioslave10:14
apacheloggerthen introduce either some fancy lib or a kded to abstract interaction with the ubuntuone syncdaemon10:14
Riddellthat does sound like a KDE-ish way to do it10:14
apacheloggerRiddell: oh, and we need to poke the dolphin maintainer to allow for on-the-fly slave switching ... as seen within KDE 310:15
Riddellwhat's that?10:15
apacheloggerso that when the user navigates to /home/$USER/UbuntuOne dolphin switches to the ubuntuone kioslave10:16
RiddellKDE 3 had that?10:16
Riddellthere's kioslave forwarding10:16
apacheloggerat least optional10:16
apacheloggerRiddell: the thing is that we need some uber generic way to define which dirs are ubuntuone'd because the next release will support abitary syncing10:17
RiddellI'd have thought it was the job of the file ioslave to forward it to the ubuntuone ioslave10:17
apacheloggere.g. dirs that have an .ubuntuone config need the other slave10:17
apacheloggerRiddell: possibly10:17
* apachelogger is quite fightened by the kio stuff :P10:17
Riddellfull of atoms as I remember are io slaves10:22
bradpittdoes anybody here can help me to update phonon, i want to make equalizer in amarok working. thank you.10:24
ghostcubeehlo coders and humans and the other not deeper identified versions of life10:25
Quintasanruphy: hello10:42
ruphyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/kmess/+bug/485640 --> this has been fixed upstream, i linked the (very simple) patch in the comments. can you please release an update? it's a rather annoying bug :)10:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 485640 in kmess "Kmess do not keep Friendly name after restart." [Undecided,New]10:43
Quintasantsimpson, Riddell: It actually added <qt> to the text :/10:45
RiddellQuintasan: so it needs the qlabel told elsewhere that it should treat is as HTMLish10:46
Riddellruphy: can do (in a bit)10:46
ruphyRiddell: thanks :)10:46
Riddellruphy: do you know about KDE's relationship with the icon name spec? (and specifically ark's icon)10:46
ruphywell, we (jpetso) basically made it10:48
ruphywhat is the problem?10:48
Riddellruphy: ark uses utilities-file-archiver which doesn't seem to be in the gnome icon themes so we have to add it to our kubuntu packages10:48
Riddellelse gnome users get no ark icon10:49
ruphyit should be in the icon spec, but let me check10:49
ruphy(http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html , btw)10:50
Riddelldoesn't seem to be in there10:50
ruphybut it definitely makes sense to be there10:51
ruphyRiddell: if gnome guys agree, it should be added to the spec10:53
amichairQuintasan: where is the code you're looking at?10:54
Quintasanamichair: kdebase-workspace10:55
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo  easy peasy, we'll get that lot done in no time11:01
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jussi01Riddell: you need to add "stop kmail crashing" there :P :P11:01
Tm_Tgood news is trunk seems to build fine, maybe I'll post some cleanups I think are useful some later time...11:03
tsimpsonkde bug #20155411:03
ubottuKDE bug 201554 in general "The runner help shows HTML tags in the help for "shortcut:"" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20155411:03
tsimpsonQuintasan: ^11:04
tsimpsonseems the kde "fix" is to just not use HTML11:04
amichairyeah I'm looking at kde trunk and there's no html there...11:04
tsimpsonthat's where I got the bug id from :)11:05
tsimpsonkde svn 100270011:06
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1002700&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1002700 | don't use html here; affects i18n so can't be backported BUG:20155411:06
jussi01has someone packaged the beta of koffice for karmic yet?11:06
Riddell?  koffice got a final released11:07
jussi01err, ok, final release then... :D11:07
* jussi01 oviously read something old..11:07
jussi01anyway, is it ppa'd yet?11:08
Tm_Tjussi01: don't read anything that is written to my back11:08
amichairRiddell: any chance to have the soft-props changes reviewed/merged for alpha? early feedback is good...11:08
Riddellamichair: where is it?11:11
Riddelljussi01: see kubuntu.org11:11
* jussi01 sighs, goes to get coffee... thanks Riddell...11:12
ubottuGetting GPG errors after adding custom repositories? Find the GPG keyword for the repository (it's 437D05B5 for the standard ones) and run « gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys <key> && gpg --export --armor <key> | sudo apt-key add - »11:13
amichairRiddell: lp:~amichai2/software-properties/fixes11:13
QuintasanJontheEchidna, Riddell, apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/recorditnow <-- please review if you have some time11:17
Riddellamichair: could you merge in the latest changes from ~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main11:24
QuintasanRiddell: fixed11:26
QuintasanRiddell: added debdiff and patch itself to bug 48902411:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 489024 in kubuntu-ppa "krunner shortcut help contains HTML tags." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48902411:28
Riddellamichair: that's a lot of changes in there! :)11:29
amichairRiddell: yeah :-)11:39
amichairRiddell: there should be a conflict on rev. 585 in trunk vs. rev 600 in branch. they are two approaches to fixing bug #102773 (the only high priority bug).11:51
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=600&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 600 | Coolo: I've extended the libjpeg test for searching the static library, if the "normal" way fails.11:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 102773 in ubuntu-translations "Translations (i18n) broken in software-properties-kde" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10277311:51
amichairRiddell: they are slightly different approaches, and the branch rev. also covers styling (e.g. bold checkbox group headers) and manually going over all dialogs, popups, progressbars, etc.11:51
amichairRiddell: but I'm not objective on the matter, so you (or someone else) should have to review the two and decide which to use or how to combine11:52
amichairRiddell: that's why I stopped working on sp after that revision, to minimize future conflicts/work. all previous revisions can be merged independently.11:53
amichairsorry for the long answer - but you'll be more than compensated by the number of closed bugs :-)11:54
ruphyRiddell: please tell me when you update it12:01
QuintasanRiddell: let me know if the krunner needs more work, I'm going out for an hour12:01
ScottKapachelogger: You're the only kubuntu-dev that didn't do the doodle poll: http://doodle.com/e6av8g8d68sqfv9t13:33
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Riddellrgreening: seen this week's LWN?15:09
Riddell"Ubuntu has a tool (usb-creator) which will create a bootable USB device from a CD image; too bad that its window is much taller than a typical netbook screen, making the crucial buttons unreachable. Your editor finally got past that little problem and was able to create a bootable Ubuntu 9.10 device."15:09
Riddellruphy: the URL you put on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kmess/+bug/485640 is wrong15:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 485640 in kmess "Kmess do not keep Friendly name after restart." [Undecided,New]15:20
ruphyRiddell: works here15:21
ruphywhat is your error?15:21
ruphyRiddell: ^^15:22
Riddellwell it wasn't working a minute ago!15:23
ruphyRiddell: fair enough :)15:26
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RiddellQuintasan|Szel: no problems found in recorditnow15:39
Riddellhmm, what to say for release team meeting?  "not quite there yet, we'll get back to you in five months"15:44
QuintasanRiddell: thanks for comment, how's patch?15:48
RiddellQuintasan: still getting to that!15:51
Riddellruphy: the changeset doesn't apply to the released version, there's no src/network/soap/roamingservice.cpp15:53
RiddellQuintasan: hmm, that patch changes a translatable string so I don't think it's suitable for a SRU16:02
RiddellQuintasan: it would be better to have a .replace("<ul>","")16:02
rgreeningRiddell: hmm... I wonder if its only a isse in the gtk one16:14
rgreeningRiddell: the geometry of the kde window is smaller than 460x400, which will cover most of our use cases I believe16:16
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rgreeningRiddell: do you have a link to the article?16:19
rgreeningis it only for subscribers16:21
rgreeningcause I dont have a subscription to view full weekly16:21
rgreeningRiddell: ^16:23
Riddellrgreening: don't ubuntu members get one?16:23
rgreeningI think I remember something about it.. and I believe I respo9nded, but cant remember getting approved16:23
rgreeningRiddell: ty. Yeah, the author was using the old 9.04 (or earlier) verison, way before we refactored and added in the kde one. Im pretty sure the kde one fits on most netbook screens just fine (though I should probably re-check that...).16:27
Riddellmaybe you could comment that on the story16:28
rgreeningNoone meantioned an issue to me on the size of the window while we were testing though Riddell, so I assume it was ok.16:28
rgreeningyeah... I will, after I verify :)16:28
rgreeninghmm. Riddell I cant post comments as I do not have a subscription. haha16:33
JontheEchidnahmm: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/4:4.3.3-0ubuntu2/+build/136553416:39
JontheEchidnalooks like that transitional package isn't necessary then16:42
JontheEchidnafix committed to bzr in revision 8216:44
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QuintasanWTH is with pinentry, it fails to start everwhere, during pbuilder, during signing messages in KMail17:26
Quintasanapachelogger,Riddell: mind inviting me to bunker?17:28
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QuintasanJontheEchidna: who can invite to bunker?17:43
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QuintasanWhat about webkitkde needs to be investigated?18:18
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nixternalyo ho ho...shoppers are insane today18:45
* claydoh stays away from places of commerce on black friday18:46
nixternalI like to go and fill up shopping carts, hide them somewhere, and leave18:46
* claydoh even gets the day off from Wendy's, even tho it is usually our record day in sales each year18:46
claydohbut If I had && a 199 laptop would be sooper nice18:47
claydoherr id I had $$18:47
Quintasannhandler: can you invite to bunker?18:47
Quintasannhandler: thanks18:48
Quintasananyone of you uses KMail and is able to sign emails?18:48
* claydoh checks...18:49
QuintasanI have damned problems with gpg-agent or pinentry everytime :/18:49
ScottKQuintasan: Yes.  On karmic no problem.18:51
QuintasanScottK: do you have .gnupg/S.gpg-agent file?18:52
ScottKQuintasan: You mean in /.gnupg/ ?18:53
QuintasanScottK: yeah18:54
ScottKQuintasan: No.  I have gpg-agent.conf and gpg-agent-info-[hostname]18:54
QuintasanScottK: can you tell me what happens when you run gpg-agent?18:55
ScottKQuintasan: Be default you should just need to tell Kmail which GPG keys to use and that's it.18:55
QuintasanScottK: and it doesn't work, tells me Wrong password and I didn't even have a chance to write it18:56
ScottKQuintasan: Even just after restart?18:56
freinhardcan kmail/kleopatra handle class3 certs yet? had no luck some weeks ago...18:56
QuintasanScottK: yeah18:56
ScottKQuintasan: Normallay gpg-agent is started by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent so you shouldn't have mess with it.18:57
QuintasanScottK: hmm, okay, what pinentry package do you have installed? -qt or -qt4?18:57
ScottKQuintasan: -qt418:58
ScottKQuintasan: IME generally that's a sign that gpg-agent is either not running or not connected to the session correctly.18:59
QuintasanI don't have that gpg-agent-info-[hostname] file :/19:00
Quintasanno matter what I run :/19:00
ScottKsebas: I saw your post on the battery app.  It sounds good.  What would be the chances of connecting the battery laptop key to popping that up?19:07
QuintasanScottK: well, I changed something and it works now, thanks :P19:11
Quintasannhandler: still not permamently invited, I need to poke Riddell or someone else to set it up?19:12
Quintasanhmm now a new problem! one app captures sound card and no sound at all in other apps, wtf19:17
freinhardanyone willing to package opensync 0.39? :)19:17
ruphyRiddell: have you packaged the fix?19:17
Quintasanfreinhard: I could try, mind giving me link?19:18
Quintasanfreinhard: hmm, that ain't stable release :P19:20
freinhardas the release notes state, it is the last test release before 0.40, and that one is considered to be as table release19:20
freinhardso having a lot of users to test (speak: have a ppa with opensync 0.39) would be nice19:20
Quintasansure, I'll try19:20
Quintasanfreinhard: ya want all plugins or just lib?19:23
freinhardQuintasan: i'd be happy with kdepim and syncml for now :)19:26
Quintasankay, never packaged libs but whatever :P19:26
freinharduh, no kdepim plugin in 0.3919:27
freinhardhmm i guess "file" is now the plugin of choice...19:28
Quintasanrules need complete rewrite19:30
DarkwingDuckhey nixternal, you around?19:32
nixternalkind of19:32
DarkwingDuckwhat did we want to do with Karmic translations?19:33
DarkwingDuckI was talking to a translations guy yesterday and he was asking...19:33
nixternali need to pull them in, spend all day fixing stuff, build the package, spend a couple of hours testing, then send the package to the builders19:35
DarkwingDuckOkay, if you need any help with anything forward it along...19:36
freinhardQuintasan: btw, what means the tailing 0 in libopensync0 ?19:38
nixternalroger that19:38
Quintasanfreinhard: dunno really :P19:39
* kb9vqf hazards an educated guess that it refers to the 0 in the 0.xx version number19:39
kb9vqfJust like libstdc++5 refers to the 5th major version of libsdtc++19:40
Quintasanfreinhard: sorry, this is more complex than I though, rewriting rules to use cmake is not enough, maybe you could ask our great apachelogger to do this so I would be able to copy his work later :P19:46
Lex79ScottK: Can I add "review build dependencies of kde core packages and MIR" to Kubuntu Todo wiki ? or is it too banal?20:12
ScottKLex79: No, it's a good thing to do.20:13
ScottKGo ahead.20:13
Lex79ok, assigned to me than20:14
dhillon-v10nixternal, hi :) I am working on the basics of Kubuntu and the cli section and other than changing some stuff around and adding screen-shots I don't see any major changes what do you say about that20:19
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bjsnideri don't think it was a good decision to exclude the more mature kaffeine 8.8 in favour of kaffeine 1.0pre21:07
bjsniderdvb-s2 users were left out in the cold by this21:07
bjsniderin karmic i mean21:07
dhillon-v10bjsnider, do you know why they excluded GIMP from kubuntu21:08
bjsniderno idea21:08
Mamarokdhillon-v10: because it is not a tool everybody uses, more for professionnals, and not exactly easy to use21:09
bjsniderbecause there's akde app that can be used instead?21:09
dhillon-v10Mamarok, thanks :)21:09
Mamarokit's just removed from the CD to gain space, you can still isntall it if needed21:09
dhillon-v10I did, but I had to switch out of Kubuntu :( it constantly kept on crashing plasma workspace about 7 times in a day21:10
Mamarokwell, the KDE counterpart is not easy neither, since both are high-end graphic tools (Gimp and Krita I mean)21:10
Mamarokdhillon-v10: gimp crashed your plasma desktop?21:10
dhillon-v10Mamarok, no but something did21:10
Mamarokunlikely, it's a gtk tool21:10
Mamarokdhillon-v10: most likely some widget21:10
* kb9vqf suggests https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic if KDE4 isn't working out for you...no need to go to Gnome ;-)21:11
dhillon-v10Mamarok, ahh I had a lot of folder views open, and also Kontact had so many segmentation faults21:11
Mamarokhm, runs smoothly here with 9.10 and KDE 4.3.3, never ever had a plasma crash in Karmic yet21:12
dhillon-v10Mamarok, is that because I used a lot of folder views plasmoids21:12
Mamarokyou mean, more than one?21:13
Mamarokwhat for? You can run Dolphin for that21:13
dhillon-v10yah about 12 in different workspaces though21:13
MamarokI never use folder view plasmoids21:13
Mamarokfirst thing I remove21:13
dhillon-v10Mamarok, lol but what crashed Kontact all the time21:13
Mamarokdon't know how you use Kontact, it doesn't crash on me, unless you do a lot of mail moving and filtrering in Kmail, but that's a known bug21:14
dhillon-v10Mamarok, no I just use the basic filtering for launchpad answers I had about 6 filters and that's it no mail moving21:15
dhillon-v10Mamarok, if you don't mind can you send me a screenshot of your desktop21:15
Mamarokas I said, I don't know, but if it crashes you get backtraces, no?21:15
dhillon-v10Mamarok, yah I did report a bug but everytime it was the same thing21:16
Mamarokdhillon-v10: that would be useless, since I only have the pastebin active on that one, and I use other eidgets in other activities21:16
dhillon-v10Mamarok, so how many widgets do you use21:16
Mamarokdepends on the activity, in this one only the pastebin one, in another the OpenDesktop one + the Moon applet, etc.21:17
Mamarokit's pointless to put a bazillion widgets if you don't use them, use activities instead and switch when needed21:17
dhillon-v10so that's it, I see why you haven't had even a single crash, I think folder views was the only thing that was causing problems21:18
MamarokI use Dolphin when I want to see the folders, and I run applications from there or with the krunner21:18
Mamarokfolder view is so "Windows XP style" IMHO21:19
dhillon-v10Mamarok, now I have everything setup in Gnome :( and moving stuff in and out is a big pain so I'll switch back when Lucid comes out21:19
Mamarokdhillon-v10: your choice, I can't work with Gnome, drives me crazy, not my style21:20
dhillon-v10Mamarok, I HATE it but I don't know if I should move all my stuff again21:20
Mamarokmove your stuff? Don't you have a separate /home partition? Makes life much easier21:21
* Mamarok is listening to The source of secrets by Mike Oldfield on Tubular Bells III [Amarok2]21:21
dhillon-v10Mamarok, no I don't know how to do that, and it was complicated so I just reformat21:22
Mamarokdhillon-v10: next you install a Kubuntu, use the manual partition and make a separate partition for /home, so you don't have to format anything21:23
Mamarokthat's lost time21:23
Mamarokmanual partitioning* I mean21:24
dhillon-v10Mamarok, is there a wiki explaining what to do when the next release comes out21:24
Mamarokdhillon-v10: check http://kubuntu.org21:24
dhillon-v10because I can partition but what happens to your home partition when the next release come out how do you install it21:24
Mamarokbtw, you should ask for help in #kubuntu, this is the developer channel21:24
dhillon-v10Mamarok, sorry about that21:25
Mamarokwell, you only reformat the old / partition, and move the previous $home/.kde/ folder to a backup place21:25
dhillon-v10Mamarok, alright thanks for the info.21:25
Mamarokdepending on the size of the hard disk, you should consider ~30 Gb for the /root partion at maximum21:26
Mamarokthat is enough space for both KDE and Gnome and XFCE21:26
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ScottKMamarok: We also support reinstall preserving an existing home directory.  Backing up is still good, but it doesn't need to be on a different partition.21:34
MamarokScottK: I was talking about the old .kde when changing version21:35
Mamaroknot the complete home folder21:35
ScottKdhillon-v10: Gimp has never been in the Kubuntu default install.  It was recently removed from the Ubuntu default install.21:35
ScottKMamarok: Oh.21:35
Mamarokand a separate /home partition is a very good thing21:35
ScottKbjsnider: Unfortunately during Karmic development when this topic was being debated, no one pointed this out.21:36
bjsniderScottK, no one pointed out that kaffeine-1.0pre wasn't going to cut it?21:47
ScottKbjsnider: We had several people testing and no one pointed out the dvb-s2 issue21:48
ScottKOne of the problems with having a small development team is that we can't possibly use every package and all the options it offers.21:49
bjsniderit's too bad none of the other media players have dvb-s2 support, since kaffeine isn't very actively developed anymore21:49
ScottKYou might file a wishlist bug against dragonplayer on bugs.kde.org if there isn't one already.21:50
JontheEchidnadragonplayer is notorious for its maintainers wanting it to remain very simple21:50
bjsniderit wouldn't beme, but some of the people asking me to package kaffeine .8 into a ppa21:51
JontheEchidnaScottK: Could you sponsor kdebase from bzr please? There was an upload failure on i386.21:54
ScottKJontheEchidna: Sure.21:55
JontheEchidnaHopefully one of the last few sponsors I'll need :)21:58
ScottKNo source package 'kdebase' picking 'meta-kde' instead22:01
ScottK@#$%^! you very much apt.22:01
dhillon-v10guys a quick question does kubuntu have a separate artwork team22:04
ScottKdhillon-v10: Not currently.22:06
ScottKWe're looking for volunteers.22:06
dhillon-v10ScottK, alright I was writing the documentation so I thought it would be a good idea to ask :)22:06
nixternalhrmm, fresh install choqok still bombs on inbox, and only after I resize the main window22:11
nixternaldhillon-v10: are you following https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation/Lucid/Todo ?22:12
nixternalI have been working on those already22:12
dhillon-v10nixternal, hi :) the contribution part was left for me right22:13
nixternalyou can have that22:13
* nixternal purges choqok and goes with something else22:14
dhillon-v10nixternal, :) I want to know how to put in artwork for contribution its only for Ubuntu22:14
ScottKJontheEchidna: Done.  Thanks.22:15
ScottKdhillon-v10: We'd like to have an artwork team, so I don't think we actually want to say that.22:16
nixternalahh, the choqok crash is a one-time thing22:16
dhillon-v10ScottK, alright so I won't mention that :)22:16
nixternaldhillon-v10: artwork is tricky, and I wouldn't even add that section concerning artwork just yet...and the doc you should be working on should have been blank22:16
nixternaltry not to copy much from the wiki, as a lot of the info is either outdated or plain shite22:17
dhillon-v10nixternal, lol alright will do :)22:18
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* ryanakca wishes he had gotten a crossover key when they were giving them away22:57
ryanakcaMy mum outright refuses to move away from MS Word 2007... The equation editor doesn't fully work in WINE and she can't deal with running it in a VM... so back to Vista she goes :/22:58
dhillon-v10ryanakca, how about LaTeX, it works out nice23:00
ryanakcadhillon-v10: She's been telling me she would learn it for the past two years... I even tried her out on LyX.23:01
dhillon-v10ryanakca, nice :)23:02

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