[00:08] Daviey called the ops in #ubuntu (Androidfan983) [00:09] dealing [00:09] ta [00:10] All gone :-) [01:22] When on the livecd for 3.0, I have a problem. When I click try without any change, the boot up screen appears, and loads.When it's done, I get a black screen short after. [03:10] ay what is this chanel never seen it before. has there been a rework on it. [03:11] ok i see it is. y the change [03:11] Meowpup, are you on a ban-forward to here? what channel were you trying to reach? [03:12] #ubuntu itself [03:12] never had this happen in my life [03:12] ikonia, are you around? [03:12] Meowpup, you were repeatedly asking for Linux Mint help in #ubuntu, I think? [03:12] Correct, Madpilot. [03:13] Meowpup, you do know that while it's *based* on Ubuntu, Linux Mint is not an Ubuntu project? [03:13] id #ubuntu reallu drat just when i am thinking of changing from mint to ubuntu 9.10 [03:14] o well they ban me they loose out i will not use ubuntu [03:14] I didn't understand that sentence [03:14] a great loss, I'm sure. [03:15] #u is busy enough supporting actual Ubuntu, derivatives have their own support elsewhere [03:15] Meowpup: You may be considering changing, but as long as you're on Mint, we can't help you. [03:16] Madpilot: do you also know i know that when looking for help on mint the opsd actually suggest looking up ubuntu help forums alot more [03:17] also how do i get an unban then for when i am truly on my ubuntu os partition [03:17] Mint's devs suggest using Ubuntu resources? huh. [03:19] Meowpup, if you agree to stop asking Mint support questions in #ubuntu, the ban can come off now. I'm just not sure you understand the actual issue that got you banned... [03:33] i am so now sometimes it talkes a ban to make you realise thanks how i get an unban then [03:33] huh? that sentence made no sense, Meowpup... [03:36] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [03:36] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [03:36] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [03:36] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [03:37] netsplit? the floodbots went screwy in #u too [03:42] crazyivan and payne_ in #ubuntu could use a hint about the channel topic when someone gets c ahnce === PriceChild is now known as Pricey [04:10] spiky25 is wandering awfully close to trollishness in #u... [04:10] yep [04:11] arachnimiya was similar same time yesterday [04:11] he seems to have mostly settled down [04:11] arachnimiya, that is [04:11] true [05:42] * genii sips and ponders something to the effect of: demand is Phrases to the effect of "Help me right now or I'm going to wipe my drive and reinstall Windows" don't usually incline anyone to rush to assist you. If your Ubuntu issue cannot be resolved, feel free to reinstall Windows, just remember to ask for support in ##windows , and not here. [05:45] +1 [05:47] Heh [05:47] forgot about him [05:58] * genii sips [06:02] What the hell is with this T.T T_T T.T... etc? Something from their cp949 codepage/charset or just some weird acronym? [06:03] different way of doing emoticons [06:03] ^.^ [06:03] that sort of thing [06:03] Ah, interesting [06:03] instead of sideways :) [06:04] * Madpilot is a font of useless trivia. And needs another beer. [06:27] MenZa: Is "ricer" a racial slur? [06:27] genii: I think it refers to be being an Intel/NVIDIA person somehow. [06:27] ...or something I linked earlier. [06:28] Hm [06:30] MenZa: Around here "ricer" usually refers to a car made in some asian country which has been tricked out [06:30] Interesting. [06:30] * MenZa shrugs [06:32] yeah, the tricked-out asian car meaning is the only one I've heard [06:32] Bah had a brain fart and put the name in for the comment on a boot [06:33] Or the other way round, forget [06:33] Madpilot: Thx [06:33] np [06:36] That's my cue to go grab some sleep :) Laters [06:37] night === tonyyarusso is now known as Guest9397 [06:47] Madpilot: are you around atm [06:48] Meowpup, hi [06:48] hi did you kick me out earlier [06:48] we've got a no-idling policy here - see the topic [06:49] ok missed that. [06:50] btw what about resuming access now i am going to be installing ubuntu on a spare partition can i have acess again. [06:51] Meowpup, OK, I'll remove the #ubuntu ban. But Mint questions go elsewhere. Clear? [06:51] i wont come here unless i am on ubuntu fullstop [06:51] yes forreal. for kubuntu i go to #kubuntu right [06:52] Good. One sec. [06:53] Meowpup, you should be good to get back to #ubuntu [06:53] thanks so #ubuntu for ubuntu #kubuntu for kubuntu [06:55] yes [06:55] and somewhere else entirely for Mint questions. Check their website, I have no idea if Mint has an IRC presence somewhere. [07:06] !mint [07:06] There are some Ubuntu derivatives that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes. Please consult their websites for more information. Examples: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (see !mintsupport), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), crunchbang (support in #crunchbang) [07:06] Madpilot: ^^ [07:06] !minsupport [07:06] !mintsupport [07:06] Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu, please seek support in #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org [07:09] thanks, good to know [07:09] meowpup was having real trouble getting his skull around "just because it's based on Ubuntu doesn't mean we'll support it in #ubuntu" [07:19] Madpilot: btw, did you see the new bot feature terence implemented yesterday? [07:20] jussi01, don't think so [07:20] try a factoid that you know ubottu does recognise [07:20] !asldkjfad [07:20] like? [07:20] nifty [07:20] hahaha [07:20] its good because it reduces channel spam [07:20] PMs for "dunno" mean idiots can't spam [07:21] * jussi01 waves to maco [07:24] Lads and ladies, if you notice any deficiences with the bots, or have any new ideas for them, we would really appreciate that you file a bug. We are trying to get a little more organised ane efficient in the way we deal with them, but we need them filed. See !bug for where to file. [07:24] !bug [07:24] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [07:25] !ops | Please note the above [07:25] Please note the above: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [07:25] jussi01 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (Please note the above) [07:28] I just pruned that op-s call [07:43] ooh, looky, its a menza :D [07:43] Damned split. [07:43] card.freenode.net was very dead for ages [07:43] lol [07:43] I was trying to calm down #ubuntu on it [07:43] It's still dead [07:43] "Guys, there's a netsplit. THAT's why there's only 100 people in here." [07:44] MenZa: join #ubuntu-bots-devel ;) [07:44] I haven't been on the wrong side of a netsplit in a while. It's kind of surreal :) [07:44] It is [07:44] Sure, jussi01 [07:44] Give irssi a few secs to sync [07:49] awww [08:01] My auto_bleh is broken. [08:01] Jeruvy: Hello. [08:01] kids [08:01] Jeruvy: I would appreciate it if you didn't call me that. [08:01] call you what/ [08:01] ? [08:01] A kid. [08:01] Anyway. Hopefully I have your attention now. [08:02] a kid? you are to me [08:02] What part of 'stop' didn't quite make it through? [08:02] what part of being mature do you miss? [08:02] If you're going to continue like this, I see no point in resolving this. [08:02] don't abuse your ops [08:02] I'm not abusing anything :) [08:03] I think you are [08:03] Right, how about we get back to the core of this instead [08:03] Jeruvy, there was a discussion about irssi, and suddenly you went off the rails and starting being rude... huh? [08:03] I politely asked you to stop in #ubuntu-offtopic - and... this happened? Why? [08:03] I asked a simple question, YOU called me an idiot. When I asked you to back up your mouth, you fail [08:04] Now you treat me in op's? I think you're abusing it. [08:04] another user called you an idiot, actually. Not MenZa [08:04] I have the log [08:04] Jeruvy: You're an idiot [08:04] and got told off for it by MenZa [08:05] now now snuxoll [08:06] [00:50] Jeruvy: I would tell you you're an idiot, but that would be rude. [08:06] tell me I'm a liar [08:06] That was inappropriate; I stand by that. [08:07] It sounded more politically-correct in my head. [08:07] So this was some juvenile behaviour I'm subjected to? [08:07] or what? [08:07] No, it was a simple mistake. [08:07] Fine, correct it [08:07] The real issue here is that you continued your crusade after I asked you to stop it. [08:07] it's accepted that that comment from MenZa was not appropriate, but neither was yours [08:08] MenZa has owned up to that fact now [08:08] Jeruvy: I apologise for that. Can we continue with the *real* issue here? :) [08:08] I can't say I agree with this. The REAL issue was you called me an idiot. Provoking a reaction generates such. [08:09] the behaviour of others does not necessarily excuse yours [08:09] I can accept the apology [08:09] it doesn't render it wrong either [08:09] continued allowance of the name-calling and then kicking me is pretty petty [08:10] abusive I would say [08:10] your behaviour was not acceptable anyway [08:10] have you read our IRC Guidelines? [08:10] nor was the continued name calling [08:10] !guidelines [08:10] The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [08:11] the name calling was brought to an end [08:11] you were also asked to stop, but did not [08:11] was it? [08:11] sorry being booted I may have missed it [08:12] you weren't the only one [08:12] *who was removed for it [08:12] Jeruvy: As the IrcGuidelines specifically state, mistakes happen. This was one of them. [08:12] So where is everyone else involved in this? [08:12] 23:57 Jeruvy: Watch it with the attitude, please. [08:12] Jeruvy: They stopped the first time I asked them to. [08:13] you continued and were removed, someone else also continued, and was also removed [08:13] you shouldn't piss one off, who's been nothing be helpful to the community for over 3 yerars [08:13] years* [08:13] Jeruvy: I'm not questioning your helpfulness in the community. [08:13] your helpfulness does not excuse you from the rules [08:13] Jeruvy: What I'm concerned with is *THIS* particular incident. [08:13] we do not operate on a karma system [08:13] It did nothing to comment on the greatness. beside this was an offtopic channel [08:13] What does that have to do with anything? [08:14] even the offtopic channel has rules [08:14] It's a channel in the #ubuntu namespace, so the IrcGuidelines applies to that as well. [08:14] I'd consider it a matter of respect and tolerence, is ther none in this community? [08:14] the rules exist for that reason [08:14] calling me an idiot did nothing to convey that. [08:15] and violated the same rules [08:15] also, that behaviour is a violation of the CoC [08:15] which applies to all ubuntu channels too [08:15] Jeruvy: snuxoll ceased after I asked him to. You did not. [08:15] Jeruvy: 'moron' is just as much a problem as 'idiot' [08:16] the code of conduct specifically states "Be respectful." [08:16] MenZa: so why not apologize to start? You'd have saved a lot of issue? [08:16] Instead I'm here [08:16] i believe MenZa did apologize a few minutes ago [08:16] Jeruvy: Stop turning the focus on the conversation. [08:17] er, of the conversation.* [08:17] MenZa: I think the original behaviour is the focus [08:17] I think we've all agreed that right now, the issue is /your/ behaviour, not mine. [08:17] I did not start by name calling anyone [08:17] you did [08:17] then others gathered and you supported it [08:17] Jeruvy: Are we going to dwelve into this sort of children's argument? "You started it!" [08:18] instead of kicking them, you turned on me [08:18] Because then I don't see much point in this. [08:18] MenZa: what is the point of this? [08:18] I corrected them. They stopped. I corrected you, you continued. [08:18] Jeruvy: Well, hopefully for you to realise what you did was wrong so we can lift your ban. [08:18] Jeruvy: That's my goal in this, at least. :) [08:18] Shall I requote logs again, or are you going to stop this ;) [08:19] I want you to stop it, actually - if I stop it, it'll not be pretty. I can't resolve anything unless you help me. [08:19] do unto others, I think is fitting here. You did, you got what you deserved. I accept your apology and can move forward. What is to prevent you from doing this again? [08:19] And I never like to deny people access to -offtopic, which is why I wanted you to come here in the first place - so we can fix this little bump. [08:20] what assurance do I get that you're not going to call me an idiot again? [08:20] Jeruvy: You're, again, turning the issue on me. [08:20] it is about you, sorry to say [08:20] Jeruvy: My word. It's all you can get. [08:20] no, it's about you Jeruvy [08:20] we are not here to discuss MenZa now [08:20] No, Jeruvy. And we can't resolve this unless you turn around here. [08:20] so you promise? [08:21] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [08:21] Absolutely. [08:21] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [08:21] Can we focus on the *actual* problem now? [08:21] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [08:21] MenZa: fine I can accept your promise [08:21] tsimpson: now, what about me? [08:22] Jeruvy: sorry but I believe what MenZa did has to be dealt separately from your case [08:22] Tm_T: I'd agree, but I'm not privy methinks [08:22] I have enough faith to trust MenZa at his word [08:23] * FloodBot3 is now known as Guest56378 [08:23] that cant be good ^^ [08:23] What I pretty much want to reach here is, Jeruvy, that you recognise that you made a mistake, and that it won't happen again. [08:23] bazhang, fascinating... [08:23] it won't get better [08:23] That's all we're asking here. [08:24] MenZa: don't provoke me, and you will never see me make that mistake. However I will not sit idle while I'm called an idiot. [08:24] for no good reason [08:24] Jeruvy: When corrected by someone - anyone - for using the word 'moron', you will stop. [08:24] when asked to abide by the channel rules, you should do so [08:24] Be they me or anyone else. [08:24] MenZa: if I see that being enforced I agee [08:24] regardless of others [08:25] that's the issue [08:25] * MenZa nods. [08:25] And I, again, apologise for using those terms directed at you. [08:26] MenZa: thank you, I appreciate that. I will not call anyone a moron or any other derogatory term either. [08:26] excellent :) [08:26] As I haven't for 3 years until today [08:26] It sounds like we've settled this [08:27] It's unfortunte it was started [08:27] parrotbot. fun. [08:27] now it will stop [08:27] Jeruvy: You're welcome to join #ubuntu-offtopic again and part this channel. [08:27] I've removed your ban. [08:28] Ok, while this was finally settled, I do want to have a word about the start of it. [08:28] What part of 'stop' didn't quite make it through? [08:28] what part of being mature do you miss? [08:28] If you're going to continue like this, I see no point in resolving this. [08:28] this isnt correct. [08:28] Let me apologise to all of you in here - my comment was very, very much out of line. [08:29] jussi01: I realise this. [08:29] Regardless of what someone does, we need to treat them with politeness and helpfulness as expected of us as operators. we have a duty to act well at all times. [08:29] I don't think the point I intended came through [08:30] bazhang: do you think giantpune_ may be a bot? right after you did "!give me a test" it replied with a (bad) action "gives me a perl script" [08:30] tsimpson, I think its just an xchat script, I am thinking fayntic is one though [08:31] I've left them a /msg [08:31] If you need to step back from a situation because you are feeling grumpy or unable to deal with it, just say so, we have enough operators t help sort things. [08:31] bazhang: quite possibly, but it's quiet so far [08:32] This goes for everyone, not just the one situation that happened here, Im just using it as an example. We are seeing far too much of this and it needs to get better. [08:32] tsimpson, right, that was the reason I initially did the !give me a test [08:34] bazhang: and tsimpson, remember before you start forwarding, do what Pricey just did ;) [08:35] jussi01, I never forward :) usually just a PM then either unmute or let it stand for a bit then remove [08:35] bazhang: well thats an issue. forwards here often work well when you want to talk to someone, especially if they have left already. [08:38] DaZ: can we help you with something [08:38] ? [08:38] hum [08:38] i don't recall joining here ;f [08:39] were you redirected here, maybe? [08:39] DaZ, which channel were you trying to reach? [08:39] nope, i think i clicked it somewhere by mistake [; [08:41] DaZ: well, if you don't have an issue, we'd request that you part this channel as we have a no idle policy in here [08:42] i see [08:42] i love you anyway <3 [08:42] yikes [08:42] o_o [08:42] heh [08:42] There are worse part messages. [08:43] There are worse, but that did, literally, make me go "o_o" [08:43] Unicode FTW :) [08:43] or something [08:43] oh wait i get it now [08:43] lolwut [08:44] :D [08:44] lolbazhang. [08:50] maco: (:) [08:51] Just a reminder for anyone wondering, (had a query a few mins agao about it) AFAIK, this is the current status of the IRSeek bots: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IRSeekDiscussion [08:52] jussi01, what about the UDS discussions on IRC? are we privy to that as well? [08:53] bazhang: there are recordings available and a summary on Pici's blog. also, gobby docs are there on gobby.ubuntu.com [08:53] jussi01, thanks much === elky is now known as elky` [09:02] In #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: ubottu: Flannel is making me harass you [09:05] o rly? [09:05] * Flannel cracks the whip. [09:06] the things I miss when I'm messing with my blog instead of hooked on IRC every second :) [09:08] "mainly it should not be torified" - from the IRSeek wiki link above - wth does 'torified' mean? [09:08] "run through TOR"? [09:10] Madpilot: IRSeek can't connect via tor, right. [09:22] FloodBot2 seems to be acting up [09:22] they're all going nuts in #u [09:22] because fb2 keeps ghosting itself [09:23] probably needs to be temporary banned from #u [09:23] ban fb2 from #u? [09:23] yep ;0 [09:24] there are still 3 active bots [09:25] Madpilot: please +b FloodBot2!*@* [09:25] just did [09:25] yep, just saw that [09:25] * Madpilot sets ban on Floodbot2!*@* [09:25] let's see if it works [09:26] floodbot5? [09:26] wait, FB5? [09:26] fb5 just showed up? [09:26] ... [09:26] hehe [09:26] well, it seems to have settled at any rate. [09:26] Maybe 2 and 5 were fighting over 2? [09:26] someone needs to fix their cron job [09:28] we've still got four of the silly things op'd - thought it was supposed to be one at a time? [09:32] I think they miss FloodBot2 [09:33] Madpilot: can you -b Floodbot2 and we'll see if it works [09:33] k [09:34] ban gone - you booted fb5? [09:34] they both thought they were fb2 [09:34] still nick collisions [09:34] just set the ban again [09:34] they'll live in emergency mode [09:35] ban back in [09:40] hopefully the'll sort them selfs out [09:40] they're no longer running around in excited circles, that's improvement right there :) [09:49] gerr, we need to ban FloodBot5 too [09:49] * tsimpson pokes Madpilot [09:49] Could jsut ban the cloak [09:50] k [09:50] (assuming 5 is banned and 6 comes in) [09:50] maybe, as a last resort [09:50] Madpilot: and /remove the bot please [09:51] gone [09:52] if 6 comes in, set a ban on FloodBot?!?=nalioth@ubuntu/bot/floodbot [09:54] OK [10:12] yay, splits [10:12] splat [10:13] splot [10:13] card again [10:15] poor old Orson Scott [10:19] I must crash. tsimpson - someone else will have to give you a hand bot-herding in #u if the floodbots start dancing again [10:19] ok, it looks like it's stable for now [10:25] good morning Bacta [10:26] Bacta: I dont think ikonia is around, so if theres nothing else we can help you with? [10:27] ikonia or elky [10:27] neither are around right now [10:28] ok [10:28] I've always wondered [10:28] What kinds of stuff do you guys talk about in here when us non-staff are asked to leave? [10:29] Anything wild? [10:29] this channel is publicly logged [10:29] !1984 [10:29] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [10:31] Bacta: anything else? [10:32] Yes, #ubuntu-ops isn't mentioned in the latter link, only the former [10:32] might want to fix that [10:33] no, the second is for LoCos, as it says in the factoid [10:34] anything else? [13:27] what happened? _nothing_ since 12:35? [13:27] jussi01: I see nothing [13:28] curious... [13:28] jussi01: your server? [13:28] Tm_T: quiet afternoon methinks... [13:42] it's lovely, jussi01. [13:43] I'm busy getting angry at people on a Danish slashdot clone. [13:43] News story: "Ubuntu ditches THE GIMP" [13:44] Some guy argues that the repositories contain 'very limited number of packages, which are predominantly written by hobbyists'. [13:44] it's funny how something not included in default install is so big deal for users who does know how to install it [13:45] And the same guy complained about the fact that they don't just expand on Ubuntu already and shell out DVD-sized isos instead. [13:45] but there are DVD-isos too, right? [13:45] * MenZa marks comments as 'flamebait' [13:45] * MenZa flames [13:45] Not officially, I think [13:45] A normal ISO will fit on a DVD as well :p [13:46] But it was more in a "gee, get with the times already" context [13:46] So I felt like flaming him. [13:46] MenZa: DVD mentioned atleas here http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors [13:46] language packs :P [13:47] still, it's DVD, that's what they asked, right? (;) [13:48] :P [14:10] Is Weegee's quit message out of line? [14:11] i'm pretty sure there is an offical dvd, but its just all the flavours of ubuntu on one disk [14:25] perhaps someone should watch #k as I'm busy elsewhere [14:25] sorry and thanks -> [14:29]