[00:03] ScottK: Hm, sounds interesting, but also not supertrivial to do nicely [00:04] powerdevil should offer an action to pop the applet's info panel, and the info panel needs a signal to react to [00:05] I'll talk to dario about that [00:05] (dario being the powerdevil dude) [00:29] sebas: Cool. Thanks. [03:19] * Daskreech waves [03:19] Will Lucid be moving to Trunk when the Beta is released? [03:34] Daskreech: Yes. [03:37] ok thanks [03:44] !info kolourpaint [03:44] Package kolourpaint does not exist in karmic [03:44] ScottK: Does anyone know which lightweight painting program exists in the KDE world? [04:16] No, sorry. [04:24] Daskreech: Try kolourpaint [04:24] * kb9vqf is not sure if there is a KDE4 version though [04:25] kb9vqf: There is ish [04:25] It hasn't really been worked on since 4.0 [04:26] Ahh...that's one program I couldn't do without...having grown up on MS Paint I find the Gimp too powerful for day-to-day simple editing tasks [04:27] The person maintaining it got frustrated since one of the major changes in Qt4 is Graphics and Painting which is mostly what Kolourpaint does [04:30] I know It's useful I'm looking either for a quick replacement or a way to put together some assistance for him [04:48] sebas: nice work on the battery plasmoid [04:50] sebas: does the detached window still stay there if you have focus follows mouse? [04:50] that might be a concern (I have it enabled) [05:25] !info kolourpaint4 [05:25] kolourpaint4 (source: kdegraphics): simple image editor for KDE 4. In component main, is extra. Version 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 851 kB, installed size 2312 kB [05:25] Daskreech: ^^ [05:30] /wi6 [05:39] nixternal: Ah thanks [05:39] nixternal: Still an unmaintained application unless the port gets rebooted === markey is now known as markey_bnc === markey_bnc is now known as markey [08:06] anyone know a ShowCock 1.0 PPA? [08:07] * maco blinks [08:07] do you mean choqok? [08:07] no, ChokeOnCock [08:07] sry [08:07] ;) [08:07] !ops | markey [08:07] markey: Help! Riddell, amu, imbrandon, Hobbsee, Tm_T or jussi01 [08:07] yes, Choqok [08:07] * markey blinks at COD [08:07] but oh well [08:08] might want to read this: http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/1143-Application-Naming.html [08:09] but I disgress [08:12] found this: 0.9.4-0ubuntu1~ppa1 [08:12] is it current? [08:12] 2009-10-15 [08:12] hm [08:12] good enough [08:12] choqok is a persian word for some kind of little bird [08:12] yes, no news there [08:12] and with twitter being the sound birds make... [08:13] hmm [08:13] Choqok 1.0 Alpha2 released: “Razi” [08:13] gonna build it myself, I think [08:14] args, in SVN [08:14] dear god [08:14] ok [08:16] hmm, Alpha 2 == 0.9.4 [08:16] might as well use the PPA :) [08:16] neat [08:27] wow, this works nicely [08:27] iLike [08:27] neversfelde++ [08:30] markey: can you try to keep your comments more "family friendly" in future :) [08:30] * tsimpson notes this channel is publicly logged and indexed by google [08:30] of course. I shall try :) [08:30] thanks [08:31] pleasure [08:31] I know there has been worse in here, so I can't really berate you for the above pun :p [08:32] who should be berated is the author of Choqok [08:32] maybe he'll get it, maybe not [08:32] the app is good anyway [08:45] maco: ? [08:46] Tm_T: was a language issue. tsimpson already told him off [08:47] regretted it deeply [08:48] oh right [08:49] * Tm_T ties markey son tightly to his chair [08:50] please watch out, this could have s/m connotations, we're trying to be family friendly here, Tm_T [08:51] * maco headdesk [08:54] markey: please... [09:11] !guidelines > markey just to remind with love [09:11] markey, please see my private message [09:12] actually, I should read those too ): [09:17] neversfelde: will you package choqok alpha 2? [09:18] oh nvm === Quintasan1 is now known as Quintasan [09:32] hello [10:04] I install pulseaudio and pray it doesn't break my sound card [10:05] good luck then [10:05] PulseAudio - The Ultimate Solution or Ultimate Disaster™ === mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [10:17] :/ [10:17] nothing changed [10:18] FCK [10:20] Quintasan: nothing changed in where? [10:21] Tm_T: sound, I can't play sound from multipe sources at once, for ex. I need to turn amarok, opera off to play stepmania because amarok hogs the sound output :/ [10:21] Quintasan: have you checked your phonon settings? [10:22] Tm_T: not really, what should I have there? [10:23] Quintasan: depends on what you want, if you want your phonon to use pulseaudio, make sure it's first interface in priority [10:26] huh, even Test sound doesn't work with Pulse :/ [10:29] pulse is of the devil... [10:29] screw it, I'm getting my SoundBlaster back :/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:50] kay [10:50] everything works - Sound Blaster == win [10:51] it seems that driver or card itself sucks [10:55] Quintasan: or some mix of all components [11:34] Nightrose: yes, I will do this later this day [11:52] Sput: cant quassel do type conversion for the core lag? :P [11:52] 8000 msec sounds a bit weird [12:17] hurr durr, qt sauce is bigger than kdelibs+base [12:19] Quintasan: whole Qt tree or just Qt libraries & friends? [12:20] Tm_T: I'm syncing kde-qt [12:21] Quintasan: ok, that includes it all then I suppose [12:22] 190mb :/ [12:22] Quintasan: I hope you excluded .git and friends [12:23] Quintasan: btw kdelibs and kdebase together are bigger than that atleast here (: [12:23] Tm_T: they synced faster than Qt so I assume Qt was bigger :P [12:24] nah [12:34] building! [13:18] is it me or is revu down? [13:19] ScottK, Tonio__: Bangarang is in Debian NEW [13:20] talking about bangarang, is one supposed to manually add files? [13:20] apachelogger: #ubuntu-motu sez it's down until sunday [13:20] oh dear [13:20] so much for doing some reviews while I am stuck in upper austria -.- [13:21] apachelogger: Xand3r told me that you are the one to call if there are problems with project neon... [13:22] project neon is dead [13:22] hmpf [13:22] gnarf [13:22] mcas: sorry, i didn't know that [13:23] * apachelogger giggles over how easy it is to crash bangarang [13:24] than i have to do plan b ... compile the dev-env by myself [13:56] fcks [14:08] Quintasan: there there [14:08] * apachelogger just got stuck in bangarang :D [14:08] * Quintasan got stuck compiling Qt [14:08] synced wrong tree propably :/ [14:09] you know, it probably is weird that I find enjoyment in buggy software, but oh hey it really is cool :D [14:09] Quintasan: haha, lol, now that is indeed very unfortunate [14:09] wut, bangarang? where are packages? [14:09] * apachelogger compiled [14:09] indeed I am compiling most of the time these days, and I have no idea why [14:10] srsly Tech base says -> git://gitorious.org/+kde-developers/qt/kde-qt.git qt-kde [14:10] Quintasan: wikipedia is also not always right [14:10] and it fails at webkit, #kde-devel says -> git://qt.gitorious.org/qt/kde-qt [14:10] even if it is most of the time [14:11] well I just though it's updated :P [14:11] I'm wondering why it goes at 20kB/s [14:11] it's like in math, you cant assume something is true unless you proof it to be true or to be wrong :P [14:13] why don't we have a tool for backuping configuration? [14:34] Quintasan: there once was work done on such a tool [14:34] kamino or something [14:35] never got released for real I think ... also I imagine it all a bit difficult because even though there are general rules of config and data storing the apps can override it [14:35] which of course makes for a much more complex implementation [14:36] I wanted a tools that would allow you to preserve WHOLE configuration (.kde) or certain files like Nepomuk database [14:37] .kde != configuration [14:37] .kde is a lot more [14:37] still, desktop search via krunner doesnt work :/ [14:37] and indeed .kde might also include a lot of crap [14:37] so let's say .kde/share/config :P [14:37] stuff in /share/config/ might depend on /share/apps/ [14:38] whereas share/apps/ can depend on share/services [14:38] which might be one of the things you would not want to have backed up [14:38] so basiacally whole .kde or nothing? [14:38] basically* [14:38] more like generally [14:39] * Quintasan notes that down [14:39] basically you could backup application specific data [14:39] I wanted to do that in Python but ___init___(self) [14:39] made me lol really hard [14:39] if you know what to backup, which is diffcult, because, as said, any app can make random use of kde's storage locations [14:39] Quintasan: dont do stuff in pyton! [14:39] use the bash [14:39] or the cpp [14:40] or the java [14:40] just not the python [14:40] I have a nice idea, why waste time looking on % of git sync while I can learn c++? [14:41] first let's make a playlist for coding since metal isn't exacly what I want to listen all the time :P [14:43] * apachelogger finds the nepomuk search in dolphin weird [14:45] I don't mean nepomuk, screw nepomuk now, it should list files from strigi index, shouldn't it? [14:45] Quintasan: yes [14:45] well [14:45] it should [14:45] and it fails [14:45] :/ [14:45] doesnt here [14:46] Quintasan: go fix your sesame :P [14:46] fix'd [14:46] :P [14:46] in fact go fix java alltogehter [14:46] * apachelogger finds it quite a pita [14:46] Quintasan: search works just fine [14:46] damn, redland sucks, sesame sucks [14:46] BUT [14:46] not for tags [14:46] apachelogger: redland? [14:46] sesame [14:46] besides [14:46] :| [14:46] I doubt that is related [14:46] either the ontology is missing or strigi does fail to read the stuff [14:47] Indexing modules is idle [14:47] because sesame and redland can not introduce limitations to the stored data, they can only limit the performance et all [14:47] they are storage backends after all [14:47] apachelogger: hmm, why java and not python? [14:48] because it is way easier to do runtime bugs in python than in java [14:48] true that [14:48] apachelogger: in Dolphin typing Fate lists all my files tagged with Fate/Stay night :P [14:48] mostly related to python being 100% interpreted [14:48] apachelogger: but krunner sucks [14:48] Quintasan: what does this have to do with krunner? [14:49] apachelogger: doesn't krunner use the same search engine as Dolphin? [14:49] the same underlying lib [14:49] but dolphin uses a kioslave [14:49] whereas krunner probably uses either a lib or directly queries nepomuk [14:50] oh wait, it displays the results [14:50] http://imagebin.ca/view/xtECVqJp.html [14:50] also the sorting algorithms might just be very different [14:50] but the naming is PITA and opening isn't working :/ [14:50] dolphin will sort all returns by name while krunner probably goes by relevance or matchiness or something [14:50] Quintasan: dont get that crap here [14:50] though [14:50] * apachelogger tries with tagging [14:51] apachelogger: you don't see that PITA naming in krunner results? :P [14:51] Quintasan: that is a bug in the runner [14:51] well, let me ask this [14:51] it doesnt resolve the name of the item tagged or something [14:52] Quintasan: search for a file name and it will show up fine [14:52] when looking for a tag it screws up and shows the nepomuk identifier or whatever that thingy is [14:53] apachelogger: what's the point of searching for exact file name? [14:53] well, search for part of the filename then :P [14:53] anyhow, it doesnt have a point [14:53] neither does manual tagging for that matter [14:53] and it fails to list those [14:54] youd either compose a complex nepomuk query or search for a predefiend attribute of an item [14:54] like say I would search for the moby signle pale horses [14:54] it shows the Last opened files that match but let's say I want to watch 1st ep of Fate/Stay night and I didn't open it, but I did open 14,15,16,17,24 [14:55] wait [14:55] HURRDURR [14:56] http://imagebin.ca/view/6IV-Zan.html [14:56] works! [14:56] dunno why but works [14:57] shit, it really does but you need to wait for a second or two :P [14:57] that is because sesame is still slow I would suppose [14:57] or because the algorithm is a bit off [14:58] oh well [14:59] * apachelogger feels like reporting bugs against launchpad blueprints [14:59] having specs stored in the wiki is like storing them on gobby.ubuntu.com [14:59] just that former supports somewhat pointless formatting [15:00] neither does help with discoverability, or searching or obtaining information without reading the whole freaking spec or atleast scrolling down to grasp what it might be about [15:01] apachelogger: hmm do you know how to make a hotkey to minimize all windows? I can't find it in KHotkeys [15:01] qdbus call to plasma or kwin I suppose [15:02] unclutterDesktop()? [15:03] probably not :P [15:03] wtg [15:04] I just don't know how to chain that command now [15:04] qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin.nextDesktop() ?? [15:04] nvm [15:04] :P [15:06] qdbus:11: maximum nested function level reached [15:06] wtf? [15:06] :| [15:07] * apachelogger syncs 3000 mails with gmail :D [15:07] poor old workstation is all outdated [15:08] lol [15:09] apachelogger: good that gmail is mostly sane [15:09] the fact that I still have to sync and configure kmail on all my machines is a PITA though [15:09] need ubuntone to sync that stuff automagically :P [15:10] apachelogger: you are using IMAP? [15:10] what else is there? [15:10] pop :D [15:10] well, I am not using unix either, am I? [15:11] apachelogger: hm? [15:12] why would one use an inferior product? [15:13] apachelogger: "because I can" I suppose (; [15:13] yes, but there is no point to it :P [15:14] the only reason pop is still around is probably because mail hosters are too lazy to implement imap all over the place, and same goes for mail cients [15:14] oh, I wouldn't even begin to count things have no point I do [15:15] which makes me raise the recommendation that one should rethink whether one would want to stick with a hoster and/or client that does not support much more sensible protocols [15:15] apachelogger: and people don't use d-imap [15:15] well, they do not, I personally find d-imap not very sensible either [15:15] apachelogger: lol I'm so stupid, you can bind plasmoids to hotkeys [15:15] but if someone wishes to use dimap, so they should, considering their client supports it [15:15] :D [15:15] then they have pop3 behaviour just better [15:16] apachelogger: yup, though, having offline copy of mail archives isn't always so bad idea [15:16] apachelogger: especially when someone is as cloumsy as I am [15:16] well, it depends on what you want [15:17] dimap? wth? [15:17] the lecturer of my internet and new media lecture also prefers to keep local backups of his mail and whatnot [15:17] that is not mutually exclusive with imap though [15:17] having access to your mail from various machines is, however, mostly mutually exclusive with pop3 [15:18] unless your mail service provider does uglish things, which then again can lead to problems with your mail client anyway [15:18] eitherway imap is superior :P [15:18] Quintasan: disconnected imap [15:18] then the client would just download all messages and keep them as local copies [15:18] it has the advantage of offline access, but of course wastes diskspace [15:18] indeed [15:19] * apachelogger for one finds it much more sensible to keep a given amount of recent messages as local copies [15:19] that's why I keep only really important sections in dimap use [15:19] they might be good to have offline, but why would I need a message from like 5 years ago :D [15:20] apachelogger: who says you have to with dimap (:) [15:21] didnt [15:21] just saying :D [15:21] I know, and I don't even if I should sometimes... oh well [15:23] I will use more online possibilities as soon as I get good and steady connection again [15:31] hii mgraesslin [15:35] hi [15:36] what package containts poedit application? [15:36] nixternal: ping [15:36] JontheEchidna: ping [15:36] EagleScreen: ask http://packages.ubuntu.com [15:37] true [15:37] looking there [15:45] lol lrn2apt-file [15:45] EagleScreen: apt://poedit [15:45] urgh, no highlighting [15:46] thanks i found it [15:46] but i am not liking it [15:46] i am translating .po files with a plan text editor, is it valid? [15:48] EagleScreen: if you dont break them [15:49] you could also edit them by bitshifting if you dont break them :P [15:49] lol [16:10] UUUUU, I hate to admit it but GEdit > Kate :/ [16:11] Quintasan: how dare you? [16:11] even my weirdo german flatmate knows that Kate pwns everything [16:12] bullshit [16:12] where are snippets? [16:12] where is non sucking code completion? [16:12] :< [16:13] also vim > * [16:14] emacs :p [16:14] anyhow [16:14] Quintasan: snippets? [16:14] haha! [16:15] last time I worked with snippets was with a 1995 keyboard which was causing horrible typing [16:15] lol emacs [16:15] honestly, I craft up stuff faster than any snippeting or code completing [16:15] in that regard I am too lazy to wait to be lazy [16:16] apachelogger: well, I produce tons of use less code and I use include and int main frequently so it's PITA to type it every time I star something [16:16] start even [16:16] so snippets++ [16:16] ehm [16:16] * apachelogger has templates for that kind of stuff :P [16:17] I don't bother with templates :P [16:17] easier to use snippet than look for template configuration :P [16:17] configuration? [16:17] haha [16:17] cp template.cpp main.cpp [16:18] taht is all I ever do [16:18] lol [16:18] I do vim lol.cpp and I have it done automatically [16:18] :3 [16:18] I told ya, vim > emacs > * [16:18] :P [16:18] /topic [16:19] then you still need to define a name :P [16:19] hence cp tTAB name.cpp is mostly faster anyway :P [16:19] you still need to type emacs main.cpp [16:19] so I win [16:19] :P [16:20] in vim you first need to go save and save before you can save :P [16:20] lol? [16:20] anyhow! [16:20] vim > emacs > * [16:20] :PP [16:20] emacs is gnu!!!!! [16:20] lol stallman mode [16:21] vim > stallman [16:21] if I were to make an IDE, first thing is that I would automize the creation paradigm :P [16:22] if I go like UbuntuOneJob *job; then press some fancy button and click on ubuntuonejob I expect the IDE to freaking create the templates already :P [16:22] in fact I would expect it to have them read by the time I give the pointer a name and ask me if I want to create that class [16:22] or if there is already such a class offer to include it [16:22] lol [16:22] or if I wrote UubuntoOneJob to tell me about that [16:23] maybe create IDE that thinks instead of you :D [16:23] no [16:23] that is a valid claim [16:23] emcs wins [16:23] or IDE instructed by brain waves [16:23] everything that is related to not findings something is politics [16:23] I expect an IDE to care about politics, so I can concentrate on functionallity [16:23] that would be awesome - Brain instrutced IDE [16:24] apachelogger: project follows mind? [16:24] aighto [16:24] I mean, maybe I am alone with this, but by the time I write code I have an exact structure of it in my mind [16:25] so the IDE should ultimately assist with bringing that to 1s and 0s [16:26] if I write this->foobar(); and foobar does not exist, the IDE can already add it to my header as private and add a template function to my current cpp [16:27] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidPackaging <-- shouldnt that be updated considering KO is no option for cd inclusion? [16:28] hm [16:28] "Roman wants to print to a network printer. He fills in the details in the printer settings kcontrol module and prints off his masterpiece." [16:28] the first part of the second sentence would be flagged as bug by me TBH [16:29] apachelogger: what about fobar() ? [16:30] skreech: I go "omg!!!!" ... add an additonal o and the ide goes "omg!!!!" and changes all occurances because this->fobar(); was the only reference anyway [16:31] if I have used foobar() twice already and accidently change one to flubar() the IDE should jump all over me telling me about the problem at hand [16:31] semantics ftw! [16:36] :-) [16:43] New k3b alpha could stand packaging. [16:44] apachelogger: pong? [16:45] ScottK: hmmm, how recent it is? [16:46] Tm_T: Mentioned on planet.kde.org today as new. [16:48] ScottK: roger, planning to build with muse support? [16:48] * ScottK isn't planning on packaging it. Hopes someone else will. [16:48] ScottK: oh, ok [16:50] ScottK, nixternal: shouldnt we revise the spec https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidPackaging concerning koffice? [16:51] * apachelogger doesnt really get what the spec is out for [16:51] * ScottK how no opinion on koffice. [16:51] how/has [16:52] apachelogger: what about koffice? [16:52] I dont get what the spec wants from KO [16:52] or what KO wants from the spec [16:53] * apachelogger starts wondering why kubuntu is around [16:54] apachelogger: spec doeans't want anything, it just states that Lucid will have KOffice [16:55] that is an incredibly useless statement though :P [16:56] oh wellz [16:57] apachelogger: how so? [16:57] cause karmic also had ko? :P [16:57] apachelogger: but was it Qt4 version? I remember atleast Jaunty had old 1.6 series [16:58] no it was not [16:58] here comes the reason why I think the spec needs to be revised [16:58] or rather should have never been written the way it was written [16:58] "KOffice 2.1 will go into main replacing the KDE 3 version." [16:59] apachelogger: hmm, agree [16:59] though, really that is because how the spec process works and how it is applied [17:00] it is trying to stack initial project considerations onto ubuntu where there really is no consideration needed, what I am saying is that how specing works these days is virtually useless to us [17:01] What is useful to us? [17:01]