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| CShadowRun | Can anyone tell me about the status of xrandr with nvidias proprietary driver, and xrandr shared graphics memory (So multiple displays across multiple cards without xinerama?) | 17:08 |
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| CShadowRun | I heard one article about it years ago but can't find much on it anymore | 17:09 |
| superm1 | CShadowRun, they don't support the current randr1.2 stuff. you'll need to use their tool | 17:58 |
| CShadowRun | yea, i know | 17:59 |
| CShadowRun | i was just wondering what the news was | 17:59 |
| CShadowRun | and i'm not so sure xrandr does what i think it can do | 17:59 |
| superm1 | it can't necessarily | 17:59 |
| CShadowRun | (Allowing you to have multiple heads across multiple cards without xinerama) | 17:59 |
| CShadowRun | does it allow you to do that on intel cards for example? i think intel is xrandr friendly now right? | 18:00 |
| jcristau | intel was the first randr friendly driver | 18:01 |
| jcristau | and no, randr doesn't do anything across multiple gpus | 18:01 |
| CShadowRun | oh :( | 18:01 |
| CShadowRun | So there's nothing new in the works in terms of multi display support? | 18:02 |
| CShadowRun | (Across multiple cards) | 18:02 |
| CShadowRun | because the way i see it i either have to use separate X screens, thus loosing the ability to move windows between heads and have a bunch of bugs in gnome | 18:03 |
| CShadowRun | or i have to use xinerama, loosing graphics performance and composite, so no compiz | 18:03 |
| CShadowRun | either way isn't that good :( | 18:03 |
| CShadowRun | (atm i use separate X screens, and have replaced gnome-panel with cairo-dock which solves a few bugs, full screen flash and full screen games don't work properly at all still) | 18:05 |
| jcristau | CShadowRun: not afaik | 18:09 |
| CShadowRun | :( | 18:09 |
| jcristau | nobody's stopping you tho | 18:09 |
| CShadowRun | stopping me from what? | 18:09 |
| jcristau | sending patches | 18:09 |
| jcristau | :) | 18:09 |
| CShadowRun | haha yea just hold on while i go learn everything to be anywhere near smart enough to do that :P | 18:10 |
| CShadowRun | lemme approach this from a different angle though, if you wanted a quad screen system with support for compiz and gaming, how would you go about it? | 18:10 |
| * hyperair wonders if it is humanly possible to use four screens simultaneously | 18:13 | |
| CShadowRun | yup *waves* | 18:13 |
| CShadowRun | 7680x1200 total resolution, 4 26" LCD's side by side, 86" vpa | 18:13 |
| hyperair | aren't you really looking at only one screen at a time? | 18:14 |
| hyperair | or at most, two? | 18:14 |
| CShadowRun | well yea, each monitor has a different task | 18:14 |
| hyperair | imo at least two of your screens would idle at any one point in time | 18:14 |
| hyperair | hence workspaces =p | 18:15 |
| CShadowRun | hyperair: well, the first 2 are for communication, so i can monitor up to 8 irc channels/conversations simultaneously, i rigged up pidgin to allow me to do this, http://uppix.net/1/4/4/eea3e8fb2a7f5d46c6893bccd541f.png | 18:15 |
| superm1 | or you set up two systems with dual screen side by side and use either x2x or synergy | 18:15 |
| CShadowRun | superm1: i used to have a setup like that, but i don't really need 2 machines, it's a waste of power, and synergy is buggy and no longer supported. | 18:16 |
| CShadowRun | (synergy is arguably more buggy than separate X screens, come to think of it) | 18:16 |
| superm1 | oh has the project died? I used to love it | 18:16 |
| hyperair | CShadowRun: it's buggy? | 18:16 |
| CShadowRun | superm1: yup, 3 years ago | 18:16 |
| hyperair | i used to love it too | 18:16 |
| hyperair | aw damn =\ | 18:16 |
| hyperair | synergy was awesome stuff | 18:16 |
| CShadowRun | hyperair: yea, clipboard drops out every 5 minutes for a start | 18:16 |
| CShadowRun | and i had alot of problems with it getting stuck | 18:17 |
| hyperair | that's serious. | 18:17 |
| hyperair | stuck? i never had any issues of that sort | 18:17 |
| hyperair | but i was using an older X server then | 18:17 |
| superm1 | it forked i think: http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/ | 18:17 |
| hyperair | well nowadays i really just stick my second computer's monitor into my laptop and let the other run headless. | 18:17 |
| CShadowRun | can't remember what else it did, i just remember it being frustrating | 18:17 |
| superm1 | because the old project was unmaintained | 18:18 |
| CShadowRun | superm1: oh, nice :D | 18:18 |
| CShadowRun | synergy is back in the game then :D | 18:18 |
| hyperair | it lacks a decent enough full-featured UI though | 18:19 |
| hyperair | on linux platforms | 18:19 |
| superm1 | you configure it once and leave it | 18:19 |
| hyperair | well yes | 18:19 |
| CShadowRun | yea that's meh, you just configure it and it's done | 18:19 |
| hyperair | but it requires you to learn the syntax of the config file to configure it | 18:19 |
| hyperair | not that it's hard | 18:19 |
| hyperair | but it's annoying for new users | 18:19 |
| hyperair | even if the interface wasn't exactly very nice in windows, it was full featured. | 18:20 |
| CShadowRun | heh, sharing your mouse between multiple computers should be off the wall | 18:20 |
| CShadowRun | it's not something people do everyday | 18:20 |
| hyperair | even so | 18:20 |
| CShadowRun | looks like synergy+ is solving the GUI problem anyway | 18:20 |
| hyperair | hmm | 18:20 |
| CShadowRun | "Our mission for 2009... Make a version of Synergy that has no major bugs, and a common GUI between Windows, Linux and Mac OS X which isn't a 3rd party download." | 18:20 |
| hyperair | ooh that's cool | 18:21 |
| CShadowRun | indeed it is, i'm impressed | 18:21 |
| hyperair | quicksynergy was somewhat okay for simple use-cases, but not full-featuered | 18:21 |
| CShadowRun | i shall start telling people to use synergy again :P | 18:21 |
| hyperair | featured* | 18:21 |
| hyperair | heh | 18:21 |
| CShadowRun | tempting to actually go down the separate computer route now, actually. | 18:21 |
| hyperair | heh | 18:21 |
| CShadowRun | but yea, uses for a quad screen system | 18:22 |
| hyperair | there isn't a single video card that supports four monitors, is there? | 18:22 |
| CShadowRun | <Communications> <Communications/Browser> <Code/Games> <Manual/Walkthrough> | 18:22 |
| CShadowRun | Nope, i have 2 8800GT in my box | 18:22 |
| hyperair | also, wasn't there something like xinerama that allowed using a whole lot of monitors? | 18:22 |
| superm1 | don't some of the high end nvidia quadros? | 18:22 |
| hyperair | i remember seeing someone with a 4x2 setup | 18:23 |
| CShadowRun | superm1: yea but they are expensive, very expensive | 18:23 |
| CShadowRun | your talking $1000+ | 18:23 |
| hyperair | like 4 monitors wide, 2 monitors tall | 18:23 |
| jcristau | hyperair: xinerama means no compiz. CShadowRun seemed to want compiz :) | 18:23 |
| hyperair | ah | 18:23 |
| hyperair | i see | 18:23 |
| CShadowRun | hyperair: yea, that's with the newer graphics cards from ATI that have like 6 heads | 18:23 |
| CShadowRun | Yea, xinerama means no compiz | 18:23 |
| CShadowRun | since XGL was abandoned | 18:23 |
| CShadowRun | (whyyyyyy D:) | 18:23 |
| hyperair | can't xinerama be ported to support aiglx? | 18:23 |
| CShadowRun | I dunno, if it can that would be sweet | 18:24 |
| hyperair | i mean hey i saw a full screen game on all 4x2 monitors | 18:24 |
| CShadowRun | hyperair: yea, windows | 18:24 |
| hyperair | it was a rather interesting sight | 18:24 |
| hyperair | no, it was linux | 18:24 |
| superm1 | no gui yes in synergy-plus. they just ship a synergys and synergyc in the deb right now | 18:24 |
| hyperair | soemthing running on wine | 18:24 |
| superm1 | *yet | 18:24 |
| hyperair | superm1: i see | 18:24 |
| CShadowRun | hyperair: opengl works in xinerama, it's composite that gets hijacked i think | 18:24 |
| hyperair | then that's a bug in xinerama isn't it? | 18:25 |
| jcristau | CShadowRun: yep | 18:25 |
| hyperair | and didn't xinerama get deprecated by xrandr or something? why? | 18:25 |
| CShadowRun | hyperair: not so much a bug, i think that's just how it works | 18:25 |
| hyperair | O_o | 18:25 |
| CShadowRun | hyperair: that's what i thought, but apparently not | 18:25 |
| hyperair | it got revived or something | 18:25 |
| CShadowRun | apparently xrandr is just for config, it doesn't actually do anything funky | 18:25 |
| hyperair | isit? | 18:25 |
| CShadowRun | that's what i'm getting | 18:26 |
| CShadowRun | xrandr, x resize and rotate | 18:26 |
| hyperair | @_@ | 18:26 |
| CShadowRun | it resizes, it rotates...it does config | 18:26 |
| hyperair | but RandR is an extension for X isn't it | 18:26 |
| hyperair | or something | 18:26 |
| CShadowRun | The goal being unified configuration for monitors under all the drivers | 18:26 |
| hyperair | i see | 18:27 |
| CShadowRun | i guess | 18:27 |
| CShadowRun | i mean correct me if i'm wrong, but that's what i think it is | 18:27 |
| hyperair | hmm | 18:27 |
| jcristau | /* Xinerama's rewriting of window drawing before Composite gets to it | 18:28 |
| jcristau | * breaks Composite. | 18:28 |
| jcristau | */ | 18:28 |
| jcristau | if (!noPanoramiXExtension) | 18:28 |
| jcristau | return; | 18:28 |
| jcristau | that's in composite's init function | 18:28 |
| hyperair | i see | 18:28 |
| CShadowRun | i'm doing some googling for xinerama and aiglx...finding some interesting forum posts | 18:28 |
| hyperair | ? | 18:28 |
| CShadowRun | what's mergedfb? | 18:29 |
| CShadowRun | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1729434&postcount=3 | 18:29 |
| CShadowRun | That post looks seriously interesting, i'mma get my laptop so i can stay on IRC, then i'll do some playing and see if i can get that to work | 18:31 |
| CShadowRun | If that does what it says on the tin all my problems are solved :D | 18:31 |
| CShadowRun | oh, it looks like it's intel only :( | 18:35 |
| hyperair | it's not intel only.. | 18:36 |
| hyperair | rather it's i810 only i think | 18:37 |
| CShadowRun | ouch lol | 18:37 |
| CShadowRun | doesn't look like it will help me then | 18:38 |
| hyperair | heh | 18:42 |
| CShadowRun | so basically my problem seems to be the age old xinerama + composite = no | 18:43 |
| CShadowRun | tis what people need to fix ;) | 18:43 |
| hyperair | now go find someone interested enough to fix it =p | 18:44 |
| hyperair | or learn enough t odo it yourself =p | 18:44 |
| CShadowRun | who here isn't interested in quad screen compiz? | 18:45 |
| CShadowRun | hehe | 18:45 |
| * hyperair isn't really | 18:45 | |
| CShadowRun | :o | 18:45 |
| hyperair | mostly because i only have one external monitor at my disposal | 18:45 |
| jcristau | i'm not interested in 1 screen compiz either, tbh | 18:45 |
| hyperair | lol | 18:45 |
| hyperair | why not? | 18:45 |
| jcristau | because i don't think it's useful? | 18:46 |
| hyperair | i can't live without my active screen corners | 18:46 |
| CShadowRun | heh, i'm thinking about switching wm myself | 18:47 |
| hyperair | shell anyone? | 18:47 |
| CShadowRun | Even if i did get compiz running under xinerama it wouldn't work great since it doesn't have xinerama based workspaces | 18:47 |
| hyperair | xinerama based workspaces? | 18:47 |
| CShadowRun | yea, one big 7680x1200 workspace doesn't work so well | 18:47 |
| CShadowRun | you need workspaces split by head | 18:48 |
| hyperair | ah | 18:48 |
| CShadowRun | i tried to explain this to the compiz people but they didn't seem to get it | 18:48 |
| CShadowRun | :( | 18:48 |
| hyperair | hmm compiz people.. i think Amaranth is our main compiz person here in ubuntu =p | 18:49 |
| CShadowRun | hehe | 18:49 |
| CShadowRun | also...seriously need fakexinerama at the login screen | 18:49 |
| CShadowRun | quad screen login screen is funny. | 18:49 |
| CShadowRun | got myself in xinerama, gonna try some games :) | 18:50 |
| hyperair | =O | 18:51 |
| CShadowRun | can put up a webcam stream if your interested | 18:51 |
| hyperair | not really | 18:51 |
| * hyperair should really be studying | 18:51 | |
| CShadowRun | hehe | 18:52 |
| hyperair | at 2:52 AM. FML. | 18:52 |
| CShadowRun | haha | 18:53 |
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| johanbr | Hi. Would it be possible to get the nouveau stuff in the xorg-edgers ppa updated, so that it doesn't remove grub2 ? | 23:53 |
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