=== ripps is now known as ripps|sleep === AlanBell_ is now known as AlanBell [17:08] Can anyone tell me about the status of xrandr with nvidias proprietary driver, and xrandr shared graphics memory (So multiple displays across multiple cards without xinerama?) [17:09] I heard one article about it years ago but can't find much on it anymore [17:58] CShadowRun, they don't support the current randr1.2 stuff. you'll need to use their tool [17:59] yea, i know [17:59] i was just wondering what the news was [17:59] and i'm not so sure xrandr does what i think it can do [17:59] it can't necessarily [17:59] (Allowing you to have multiple heads across multiple cards without xinerama) [18:00] does it allow you to do that on intel cards for example? i think intel is xrandr friendly now right? [18:01] intel was the first randr friendly driver [18:01] and no, randr doesn't do anything across multiple gpus [18:01] oh :( [18:02] So there's nothing new in the works in terms of multi display support? [18:02] (Across multiple cards) [18:03] because the way i see it i either have to use separate X screens, thus loosing the ability to move windows between heads and have a bunch of bugs in gnome [18:03] or i have to use xinerama, loosing graphics performance and composite, so no compiz [18:03] either way isn't that good :( [18:05] (atm i use separate X screens, and have replaced gnome-panel with cairo-dock which solves a few bugs, full screen flash and full screen games don't work properly at all still) [18:09] CShadowRun: not afaik [18:09] :( [18:09] nobody's stopping you tho [18:09] stopping me from what? [18:09] sending patches [18:09] :) [18:10] haha yea just hold on while i go learn everything to be anywhere near smart enough to do that :P [18:10] lemme approach this from a different angle though, if you wanted a quad screen system with support for compiz and gaming, how would you go about it? [18:13] * hyperair wonders if it is humanly possible to use four screens simultaneously [18:13] yup *waves* [18:13] 7680x1200 total resolution, 4 26" LCD's side by side, 86" vpa [18:14] aren't you really looking at only one screen at a time? [18:14] or at most, two? [18:14] well yea, each monitor has a different task [18:14] imo at least two of your screens would idle at any one point in time [18:15] hence workspaces =p [18:15] hyperair: well, the first 2 are for communication, so i can monitor up to 8 irc channels/conversations simultaneously, i rigged up pidgin to allow me to do this, http://uppix.net/1/4/4/eea3e8fb2a7f5d46c6893bccd541f.png [18:15] or you set up two systems with dual screen side by side and use either x2x or synergy [18:16] superm1: i used to have a setup like that, but i don't really need 2 machines, it's a waste of power, and synergy is buggy and no longer supported. [18:16] (synergy is arguably more buggy than separate X screens, come to think of it) [18:16] oh has the project died? I used to love it [18:16] CShadowRun: it's buggy? [18:16] superm1: yup, 3 years ago [18:16] i used to love it too [18:16] aw damn =\ [18:16] synergy was awesome stuff [18:16] hyperair: yea, clipboard drops out every 5 minutes for a start [18:17] and i had alot of problems with it getting stuck [18:17] that's serious. [18:17] stuck? i never had any issues of that sort [18:17] but i was using an older X server then [18:17] it forked i think: http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/ [18:17] well nowadays i really just stick my second computer's monitor into my laptop and let the other run headless. [18:17] can't remember what else it did, i just remember it being frustrating [18:18] because the old project was unmaintained [18:18] superm1: oh, nice :D [18:18] synergy is back in the game then :D [18:19] it lacks a decent enough full-featured UI though [18:19] on linux platforms [18:19] you configure it once and leave it [18:19] well yes [18:19] yea that's meh, you just configure it and it's done [18:19] but it requires you to learn the syntax of the config file to configure it [18:19] not that it's hard [18:19] but it's annoying for new users [18:20] even if the interface wasn't exactly very nice in windows, it was full featured. [18:20] heh, sharing your mouse between multiple computers should be off the wall [18:20] it's not something people do everyday [18:20] even so [18:20] looks like synergy+ is solving the GUI problem anyway [18:20] hmm [18:20] "Our mission for 2009... Make a version of Synergy that has no major bugs, and a common GUI between Windows, Linux and Mac OS X which isn't a 3rd party download." [18:21] ooh that's cool [18:21] indeed it is, i'm impressed [18:21] quicksynergy was somewhat okay for simple use-cases, but not full-featuered [18:21] i shall start telling people to use synergy again :P [18:21] featured* [18:21] heh [18:21] tempting to actually go down the separate computer route now, actually. [18:21] heh [18:22] but yea, uses for a quad screen system [18:22] there isn't a single video card that supports four monitors, is there? [18:22] [18:22] Nope, i have 2 8800GT in my box [18:22] also, wasn't there something like xinerama that allowed using a whole lot of monitors? [18:22] don't some of the high end nvidia quadros? [18:23] i remember seeing someone with a 4x2 setup [18:23] superm1: yea but they are expensive, very expensive [18:23] your talking $1000+ [18:23] like 4 monitors wide, 2 monitors tall [18:23] hyperair: xinerama means no compiz. CShadowRun seemed to want compiz :) [18:23] ah [18:23] i see [18:23] hyperair: yea, that's with the newer graphics cards from ATI that have like 6 heads [18:23] Yea, xinerama means no compiz [18:23] since XGL was abandoned [18:23] (whyyyyyy D:) [18:23] can't xinerama be ported to support aiglx? [18:24] I dunno, if it can that would be sweet [18:24] i mean hey i saw a full screen game on all 4x2 monitors [18:24] hyperair: yea, windows [18:24] it was a rather interesting sight [18:24] no, it was linux [18:24] no gui yes in synergy-plus. they just ship a synergys and synergyc in the deb right now [18:24] soemthing running on wine [18:24] *yet [18:24] superm1: i see [18:24] hyperair: opengl works in xinerama, it's composite that gets hijacked i think [18:25] then that's a bug in xinerama isn't it? [18:25] CShadowRun: yep [18:25] and didn't xinerama get deprecated by xrandr or something? why? [18:25] hyperair: not so much a bug, i think that's just how it works [18:25] O_o [18:25] hyperair: that's what i thought, but apparently not [18:25] it got revived or something [18:25] apparently xrandr is just for config, it doesn't actually do anything funky [18:25] isit? [18:26] that's what i'm getting [18:26] xrandr, x resize and rotate [18:26] @_@ [18:26] it resizes, it rotates...it does config [18:26] but RandR is an extension for X isn't it [18:26] or something [18:26] The goal being unified configuration for monitors under all the drivers [18:27] i see [18:27] i guess [18:27] i mean correct me if i'm wrong, but that's what i think it is [18:27] hmm [18:28] /* Xinerama's rewriting of window drawing before Composite gets to it [18:28] * breaks Composite. [18:28] */ [18:28] if (!noPanoramiXExtension) [18:28] return; [18:28] that's in composite's init function [18:28] i see [18:28] i'm doing some googling for xinerama and aiglx...finding some interesting forum posts [18:28] ? [18:29] what's mergedfb? [18:29] http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1729434&postcount=3 [18:31] That post looks seriously interesting, i'mma get my laptop so i can stay on IRC, then i'll do some playing and see if i can get that to work [18:31] If that does what it says on the tin all my problems are solved :D [18:35] oh, it looks like it's intel only :( [18:36] it's not intel only.. [18:37] rather it's i810 only i think [18:37] ouch lol [18:38] doesn't look like it will help me then [18:42] heh [18:43] so basically my problem seems to be the age old xinerama + composite = no [18:43] tis what people need to fix ;) [18:44] now go find someone interested enough to fix it =p [18:44] or learn enough t odo it yourself =p [18:45] who here isn't interested in quad screen compiz? [18:45] hehe [18:45] * hyperair isn't really [18:45] :o [18:45] mostly because i only have one external monitor at my disposal [18:45] i'm not interested in 1 screen compiz either, tbh [18:45] lol [18:45] why not? [18:46] because i don't think it's useful? [18:46] i can't live without my active screen corners [18:47] heh, i'm thinking about switching wm myself [18:47] shell anyone? [18:47] Even if i did get compiz running under xinerama it wouldn't work great since it doesn't have xinerama based workspaces [18:47] xinerama based workspaces? [18:47] yea, one big 7680x1200 workspace doesn't work so well [18:48] you need workspaces split by head [18:48] ah [18:48] i tried to explain this to the compiz people but they didn't seem to get it [18:48] :( [18:49] hmm compiz people.. i think Amaranth is our main compiz person here in ubuntu =p [18:49] hehe [18:49] also...seriously need fakexinerama at the login screen [18:49] quad screen login screen is funny. [18:50] got myself in xinerama, gonna try some games :) [18:51] =O [18:51] can put up a webcam stream if your interested [18:51] not really [18:51] * hyperair should really be studying [18:52] hehe [18:52] at 2:52 AM. FML. [18:53] haha === ripps|sleep is now known as ripps [23:53] Hi. Would it be possible to get the nouveau stuff in the xorg-edgers ppa updated, so that it doesn't remove grub2 ?